STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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#1 STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Hi rasikas,

Here is one more interesting topic to discuss.
We might have found many songs in Carnatic that have same tunes (Varna mettu )
Let's list them

To begin ...

Gananyakam bhajeham
Sri manini manohara
In rudhrapriya/purna shadjam

Singara velavan Vandana
Kanoonjal adi irundal
In andhabhairavi

Suma sayaka
Sarasa ninnu
In kapi

Bhaghyada Lakshmi
Sambandhi sappidavae
In madhyamavathi

Dasana madiko Enna
Bojonam seyya varungal
In nadhanamakriya

Nannu vidachi
Nannu brochutaku
In reethigowla

Jaya Jaya Rama
Jaya Jaya padmanabha
In manirangu

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#2 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Manasuloni Marmamulu
Thunai Purindarul
Both Varamu

Undedi Ramudu
Vandadum Solai
Both Harikamboji

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#3 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Raghunayaka (Tyagaraja)
Karunai sevvai (Papanasam Sivan)

Dikshitar's nottu svara compositions
Various Western band tunes

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#4 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Ninnu nera namminanura-Panthuvarali- Thyagraja
Ennaganu nama bhajana-Panthuvarali-Bhadrachala Ramadas
Ninnarul iyampalaguma-Panthuvarali-Papanasam Sivan-

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Paritanamichite-Bilahari- Patnam Subramania Iyer
Nijam unai nambinen- Papanasam Sivan

Sringaralahari-Neelambari- Lingaraj Urs
Anandavalli- Neelambari- Swati Tirunal.

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#6 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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thank you all for inputs

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#7 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Sri Ramana Vibho [Swathi Thirunal] - Sri Sakala Ganadipa [BMK] - Arabhi

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#8 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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CRama wrote: 06 Nov 2018, 18:42 Sringaralahari-Neelambari- Lingaraj Urs
Anandavalli- Neelambari- Swati Tirunal.
I don't think these two are same tune exactly - Anandavalli tempo itself is slower and it is more a padam. Sringaralahari is a kriti isn't it?

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#9 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Manasu karuga - Hamsadhwani - Patnam Subramania Iyer
Yuvati mana dAruN - Marathi natya sangeet

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#10 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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ajaysimha wrote: 05 Nov 2018, 00:54 Singara velavan Vandana
Kanoonjal adi irundal
In andhabhairavi
and paluke bangaramayena

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#11 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Birana vara and Himadri suthe.

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Venkatesh suprabatham
Kousalya supraja Rama - samskritha
vandhu udithai Rama - Tamil
Both in shuddha saveri

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#13 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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nannu vidachi - thyagarajar
nannu brochutaku - mysore sadashiva rao
both in reethigowla ragam

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#14 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Got some more similar pairs,

A swarajathi pair in huseni ragam
e mayaladira (Merattur Venkatarama Shastri)
pahimam bruhannayike (attributed to Swathi thirunal)


And some more from the good old times of indian cinema

krishna nee vegamai varai (lyrics by Papanasam sivan)
Inspired by krishna nee begane baro

Kadal kanirasame (sung by p u chinnappa) an inspiration of nada tanumanisham

Maravene ennalilume (sung by MSS - Meera) an inspiration of cheli nenetu sahintune

Any more such film tunes, forumites ?

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#15 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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eppO varuvArO tune :

Sattva Guna Bodhan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQkwG-0W_0Y

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#16 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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SyAma sundarAnga and bAlakrishnan pAdamalar seem going in similar contours , but Prof TRS did say that the latter is original.

celineNEtlu sAhintunE has a counterpart in another tamizh song with the same tune - which Vid K Gayathri sang - I think youtube recording is available.

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#17 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Bruhi mukundhethi rasane_Kurinji
Engum niraindirukkum endhaivam_Kurinji

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#18 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Jega Janani and Manam Kaninde same tune

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#19 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Krishna nee vegamaai vaaraai - is this really Papanasam Sivan??

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#20 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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CHECK THIS !

Raghuvamsa sudha Tune:

Yamaha Nagari
https://youtu.be/AHUBXVpVZn8?t=1

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#21 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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HarishankarK wrote: 22 Mar 2020, 13:19 Krishna nee vegamaai vaaraai - is this really Papanasam Sivan??
Yess! Here is the link to video -
https://youtu.be/SfQUfIwSOoI
The description box of this video has all those details covered

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#22 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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shankarank wrote: 22 Mar 2020, 11:27 celineNEtlu sAhintunE has a counterpart in another tamizh song with the same tune - which Vid K Gayathri sang - I think youtube recording is available.
Please share the first line of the composition or the YouTube link.

And thanks all for the inputs.

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#23 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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Sakhi naan yenna seivaenadi - is same tune as Cheli nene and it is composed by Vid Suguna Purushottamman
K Gayathri sings v often as also Venugaanam thenaai inikkidu which is a same tune of Vaani Pondu javali in Kaanada - again Vid Suguna Purushottaman

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#24 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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If it is in rasikas and follows transliteration faithfully 8-) - easy to get it:


Here: https://youtu.be/NpAOfYmWQr4?t=8175

I had a report on the concert:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=28109&p=307157&hil ... lu#p307157

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#25 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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‘Sathva Guna Bodhan’ is one of the songs in the Tamil Movie ‘Ashok Kumar’ of 1941. Written by Papanasam Sivan, and sung by M K Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, its tune is of the well known ‘Eppo Varuvaro’ by Gopalakrishna Bharati.
https://youtu.be/MQkwG-0W_0Y?t=1

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#26 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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there is an film song 'unai kandu mayangada' inspired by famous bhairavi javali - elaradayane kamimi.
https://youtu.be/UFg-uoth6tw

and there is also a parody version of unai kandu mayangada song - https://youtu.be/ruMWTAz-e4M

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#27 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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here is one more popular one - Dheena Karunakarane Nataraja sung beautifully by MKT, which was inspired by a marathi abhang tune.

vanu kiti re sadyaa vithuraya dinvastla (Sant Tukaram, a 1936 Marathi film)
https://youtu.be/4_4jCcnt3dg

Dheena Karunakarane (Thiruneelakantar, a 1939 Tamil film)
https://youtu.be/6wTGjx4lIQY

from wiki - "Soundtrack was composed by Papanasam Sivan. The song "Dheena Karunakaraney" was well received and became a cult classic."

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#28 Re: STDS - Same Tune Different Song

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nannu vidachi - thyagarajar
enna puṇṇiyam ceydēnō
Gananyakam bhajeham
Sri manini manohara 
śrī ramana nīvē
Bhaghyada Lakshmi
Sambandhi sappidavae
kalyāṇam kāṇavē vāruṅgaḷ

More:
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kadakudūhalarāgapriyē

mānasa sañcararē
pūlu ceṇḍlāḍene śrī rāmuḍu

entaṭi kulukē 
rāmuni bhajata
ennaḍi sakiyē

bhaja bhaja mānasa harimanavaradam
bhaja bhaja mānasa hariharaputram

vēganīvu nirammanavē
vēgamāgavarac collaḍi

val̥ļi kaṇavan pēṟai
aiyyapa svāmiyai

aḻaku deyvamāga vandu
ariyumāgi aṟanumāgi 

prāṇa sakhudiṭu
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ōm praṇava vimala gaṇapati
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