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#1 We need more tamil songs!

Post by SrinathK »

We need more tamizh songs in CM alright. One zoomed out look tells me that telugu and sanskrit are still dominating the overall scene, given the variety of compositions in them and the fact that the Holy Trinity developed most of our rAgA system.

My main gripe as to why CM is not as popular as it could be is the lack of enough number of Tamizh songs to compete with the Telugu, Sanskrit and Kannada ones - this I'm saying despite the number of tamizh composers we have since the Azhwars and Nayanmars. Tamizh rasikas will be much happier with tamizh songs and even though a lot of things CM comes from Ancient Tamil music, I feel we are still not having enough tamizh songs even now, and we don't get rasikas to listen to more of them. Tamizh songs need to get popularized even more than ever.

As you might have observed, Sanjay has made this his USP over the years.

Here's the idea, can all of you help come up with a good list of only tamil songs (can and should also be film songs if they're carnatic based and bharatanATyam numbers) in the rAgAs and composers of your choice? Some of you are already opening lots of web pages with many popular songs or uploading them on Youtube. It is not necessary to share the links, you could (provided the mods don't mind), but even a list is ok for me. I just need to be able to get them somewhere online - buy, commercial, stream, YT, Sangeethapriya, anywhere else.

These may greatly help introduce CM to more of the tamil population (by which I include people in my own family and circles, especially :twisted: :twisted: - I have observed that lots of people don't listen to CM because they are unaware of how many tamizh CM songs are out there). You can make your list as long as you wish, provided that the collective effort will help cover a few songs in all the ragas. I'll also have a look at the rasikas efforts in translating many a tamizh song on this site.

Alternatively you could help develop the vaggeyakara composer section with tamil composers and that would also be ok. Just make sure to be careful with contemporary artistes, link to commercial channels for commercial albums and try as far as possible for non-commercial recordings. Even a list of tamil composers here would do, I can search with that.

One other idea is just link to other rasikas threads about tamizh music and composers here, so that this becomes a handy reference.

In the process I can also develop this one weak area of mine. Ok, on to the search facility. Let's see, "tamil" throws up 545 pages! Let me see what I can find....

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#2 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank »

Well before we start arguing, lets start with piLLayAR chuzhi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSV-9K5QOdc

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#3 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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There are lots of people who are learning "music", but not listening to "music" at all.

It seems the prevailing view is Professional musicians are professional musicians. They come and sing and some people are crazy about music and purchase tickets. It is their profession and they get paid.

The former are completely oblivious otherwise to it's history and glory. In fact this aspect I feel is more important , than whether they listen to music or have liking for it or have celebrity musicians that they adore!

You talked about relatives, who are not aware of tamizh songs. Before we talk about "music", should we not find out about what is their view of their language called "tamizh"?

1) is it just a useful language to order tea , haggle with auto-guy and veggie peddler in TN?


2) Or is it that they can "understand" that language - like "I know this language!"?

3) Or is it more like it is their mother tongue? if so, here what is the status of a Mother in their view?

I think these things needs explored as well! I know these are questions that may be insulting to the intelligence of people. But to make progress, we have to downgrade human intelligence a bit.

These kind of questions cannot be discussed , unless they themselves seek answers to such questions. There in lies the issue.

I recently heard in a spiritual discussion ( we were conversing in English!), somebody dismiss the idea of language as merely a means of communication. They were anxious that any discussion about language will quickly turn divisive. They seem more stressed about the prevailing "language" chauvinism , may be a reflection of the reality that their own social circles consist of their own language speakers and they didn't want to cloud the exalted spiritual discussion with all that supposedly divisive stuff.

I didn't quite have the opportunity to retort with another question as to what the hell is communication? Management-speak ( a separate language in itself like legalese) which has made into training material to address communication gaps in corporate workers, has emphasized formally that, what they mean by communication of corporate variety , is that the importance to content is only about 20% and majority of it is tone! Whatever the hell that means!

And English language training instructional material formally introduces term "musical" - yes I really saw it - when it trains children to construct sentences that sound like the famous Dr MLK Jr. quote "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." And there is more like that from Gerard Ford - Republican convention 1996 - "a government that gives you everything you want, is a government that takes everything you have"! By "musical" I guess they mean something that instantly appeals and sways the audience.

Beyond that, the fact that you might , even remotely, consider the possibility of one musician who commands good audience because he sings tamizh songs, instead of lets say his rAgA prowess, in itself is a big progress, whether it is actually true or not.

Along with that other questions spring up, like what is tamizh and what is music , are they separate entities yada yada!

But , but, isn't it known that most of the listeners of CM are already tamizhans!! :shock: :D :lol:

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#4 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank »

And as election season draws closer , I cannot but miss quoting the famous Chomsky , the great linguist quotes : "Why do the candidates have to campaign? They just have to simply state what they intend to in writing and have it published" :lol: :lol:

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#5 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Shall we begin our journey in CM in tamizh language ( non-film) with two rare tamizh krithis of Shyama Sastry sung by Mrs.Sulochana Pattabiraman and her disciples?
google may give the page.
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Lakshman_ji has mentioned
Post by Lakshman » 01 Sep 2010, 16:52
ennEramum unpAda kamala. rAgA: punnAgavarALi. tripuTa tALA.
ennEramum un nAmam. rAgA: pUrvikalyANi. tripuTa tALA.
parAmukhamEnammA. rAgA: kalyANi. tripuTa tALA.
santatam ennai rakSippAi. rAgA: paraju. Adi tALA.
taruNam IdammA. rAgA: gauLIpantu. Adi tAlA.
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venkatakailasam mentions.. ( swathi thirunaaL thread)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/tributes/ ... ithis.html
16 ennEramum-un punnAgavarALi-1) எந்நேரமும் உன் பாத கமலம் - (புன்னாகவராளி )
18 ennEramum-un-nAmam pUrvikalyANi- எந்நேரமும் உன் நாமம் (-பூர்விகல்யாணி )
56 parAmugamEnammA- பரா முகம் ஏனம்மா? ...........(கல்யாணி )
73 taruNam-IdammA gauLIpantu-தருணம் இதம்மா - ( கௌளிபந்து)
The sl number is indicated against each song in the download link.
santatam ennai rakSippAi. rAgA: paraju. Adi tALA.- ஸந்ததம் என்னை ரக்ஷிப்பாய் -(பரஜ்)
This is to be located.
venkatakailasam
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#6 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RasikasModerator2 »

Please don't link to mio (Music India Online). It's banned by the DoT owing to piracy concerns. Our content policy rules are:

1) Non-commercial recordings from YT or private collections (preferably artistes of the previous generation) - Current performing artistes are a bit of a last resort option. If you think twice about sharing, just tell us to search for it ourselves.
2) Official YT channels of artistes, albums and other creators.
3) Sangeethapriya (that too take care to try for older recordings). The tribute pages are fine, they're the only resource of the kind having all the trinity compositions in one place.
4) Official music streaming sites. There are lots. You may even advise us to subscribe to sites like radioweb if needed. That's fine.
5) Sites of albums like charsur or sa re ga ma or others.
6) Live webcast channels are most welcome.
7) Any film in the last 30-40 years, please either share only from authorized channels or not at all. I think anything over 50 years back is fine. And that's usually where the really classical songs are from.

We are been careful because there was one forum member who was probably a musician who suddenly threatened action against us a decade back (we had to ban him for a while), and another forum member was dragged to court for simply telling a famous musician that he had heard a private recording of his live concert.

Sulochana Pattabhiraman's albums are all up on YT official channels. You may share from there. Or I'll do it this time : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SdzCl_y0F4

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#7 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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suggesting a few wonderful tamizh songs of 'decades back' ( mostly pre-1950)
My exercise is to give a handle to a raga through a nice rendering.
So, sometimes, a raga may have more than one artiste's rendering.
All these are pre-1950 vintage classics.but lyrics in tamizh can be found in
sites.google.com/site/
homage2mssubbulakshmi
ncvasanthakokilam
dkpattammaLsongs
( mods)kindly permit repeated editing....
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1) vasantha-- maa dhayai nidhi enum - MS (1938- may be sevasadhanam)-p.sivan
வசந்த- மா தயை நிதியேனும்--பாபநாசம் சிவன்
/site/homage2mssubbulakshmi/home/29-maadhayai-nidhiyenum
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2) hindolam ---maa ramanan -- MS (1938 ,, SEVASADHANAM
ஹிந்தோளம் - மாரமணன் - பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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3) chenchurutti - mannum imayamalai -MS( 1950) subramanya nbarathy- s.v.venkataraman
செஞ்சுருட்டி---மன்னும் இமயமலை
https://youtu.be/N5ejc-H09io
--------------- enathu uLLame -MS ( 1945)-p.sivan-
எனது உள்ளமே -பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjZHMTu8A3Q
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4) hamsadhwani - aruL purivaay -MS (1950)- suddhaananda barathy ( tune setter? )
அருள் புரிவாய் - ஹம்ஸதவனி -சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
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5) poorvikalyaaNi - jankkaara sruthyi - MS ( 1946) - -do-
பூர்வி கல்யாணி- ஜனக்கார சுருதி செய்குவாய்-சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
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6) ataanA - amba nee irangaayenil - MS ( pre 1947)- p.sivan
அடாணா-அம்பா நீ இரங்காயெனில்-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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7) todi - vandinam muralum solai -- MS- paasuram.
தோடி வண்டினம் முரலும் சோலை (MSS)( PRE 1949
தணிகை வளர் சரவண பவா -DKP-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/en9FZrBmjgk

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8) kedhara gowlam - saamikkki sari evare - DKP ( PRE 1950)-p.sivan
கேதார கௌள-சாமிக்கு சரி எவரே-பாபநாசம் சிவன்

9) kaambodhi - Anandha natanam AdinaaL - NCV ( PRE 1950)-
காம்போதி - ஆனந்த நடனம் ஆடினாள் -N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM -சுத்தானந்த பாரதி

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10) மோஹனம் MS- கிரிதர் கோபாலா(1945)
நாராயண திவ்ய நாமம்-MS-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
giridhara gopaalaa ( MS-1945)- s.v.venkataraman
NaaraayaNa dhivya Naamam ( MS)- p.sivan
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11) yadhukula kaambodhi - kaalaith thookki nideraadum ( MS) (VINTAGE)
காலைத் தூக்கி நின்றாடும்-யதுகுல காம்போதி-MARIMUTHA PILLAI)
https://youtu.be/3Zt9WJYdi3k
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12) sankaraabaranam - thookkiya thiruvadi ( DKP)- p.sivan
சங்கராபரணம் - தூக்கிய திருவடி துணை என (DKP)-
https://youtu.be/O2Trm7q-fdE
------- mahaalakshmi jaganmaathaa ( NCV) -PRE-1950-p.sivan
மஹாலக்ஷ்மி ஜகன்மாதா-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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13) boopaaLam - pozhuthu pullarnthathu -NCV -pre-1950
பூபாளம்-பொழுது புலர்ந்தது- NCV- BARATHY
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14) harikambodhi - vandaadum solaithanile ( MS-1944)-lyrics by kalki -i
paa maalaikkinaiyundo ( NCV-1948)-p.sivan
--ஹரிகாம்போதி வண்டாடும் சோலை தனிலே * MS)-KALKI
பாமாலைகிணையுண்டோ(NCV) பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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15) bairavi - yaaro ivar yaaro - MS ( pre 1947)-arunachalak kavi
,, DKP ( pre-1947)
பைரவி யாரோ இவர் யாரோ
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16) tilang saanthi nilava vendum - DKP ( 1948)-
திலங்-சாந்தி நிலவ வேண்டும்-DKP-SETHUMADHAVARAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbYlstnjy2M
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... ava-vendum
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17) bowLi sambo mahadeva - MS- p.sivan
பௌலி ஸம்போ மஹாதேவ- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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18) kApi poonkuyil koovidum ( DKP) ( pre 1950)- kalki
காபி-பூங்குயில் கூவிடும்-DKP
https://youtu.be/f-KkC-geGKg
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... l-koovidum
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19)maand vaanatthin meethu ( MS ) ( 1945)-vaLLalaar
மாண்d- வானத்தின் மீது -vadaloor vaLLalar
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20) shanmugapriya thanthai thaay irundhaal -NCV -
ஷண்முகப்ரியா------தந்தை தாய் இருந்தால்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7mIOTG1WYE
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21) aaberi pitthan endraalum peyan endralum ( NCV)- Andavan pichai
ஆபேரி பித்தன் என்றாலும் (n.c.vasanthakokilam)
https://youtu.be/OrSqOGYtr2k
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more to follow. These are meant to be heard. and my submission is that classics of yore should not be sung by others of later generations.



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#8 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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SrinathK wrote: 15 Feb 2019, 21:04 My main gripe as to why CM is not as popular as it could be is the lack of enough number of Tamizh songs to compete with the Telugu, Sanskrit and Kannada ones
KannaDa songs have not been successful in the main stage of Carnatic music. Attempts to do nambikeTTavarilavu or similar numbers as any sub or major item have flopped. It came out as an attempt to stuff trinity based viSrAnti phrases into a soft material and resulted in a stuffed paratha! It formed lumps! And syllables hung in mid-air without the ability to land gracefully or forcefully.

SrI yOga narasimhams attempts also did not bear fruit it looks like!

I am surprised you would even mention that. if tamizh was thought to be not suitable for rAgA treatment of the kutcheri variety ( as if they treated Telugu so nicely - yeah?) and they had silly debates in The Hindu in the 1950(s) , KannaDa is even more at a disadvantage with what I hear as it's case endings.

It seems then, what really is a Carnatic composition, has not really hit hard on people. If we allowed a musicologist to say Mridangam is not music, what else can we expect of ourselves.

With that blast, re-listen to the piLLayAr chuzhi song that I posted again!

In case you missed it, here we discussed the scope of a muttuttANDavar song :

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=31086&p=333627

It should be improved with avoidance of beat hugging at satguru pAdam tEDu, with a half a beat, atIta shift of that line and changing nATTamuDan as nATTattuDan as otherwise , how it is currently, results in impediments to flow of manOdharmam as happens here:

https://youtu.be/OXBn0dXzbt4?t=1508

You can hear the preceding part of that by a rewind, where you will find the verve for the line starting with nAlAm padattil not carrying over to nATTamuDan.
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#9 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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( in continuation of @7)
( many of the songs here are by Smt.N.C.Vaasanthakokilam. Saregama have placed more than 20 songs in public domain. And we are nearing NCV centenary . )
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22) ஹம்ஸானந்தி
அந்தநாள் இனி வருமோ என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanthakokilam/home/10
HAMSAANANDHI andha NaaL ini varumo suddhaananda baarathi
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23) வாசஸ்பதி
அந்தரங்கமெல்லாம் -என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் - பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... nkamellam-
VACHASPATHI anthrangamellaam paapanaasam sivan
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24) ஜோன்புரி ஆசை முகம் மறந்து போச்சே என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி
JONPURI ePPo varuvaaro madurai maNi Iyer gopaalakrishna barathi ----------------------------------------
எப்போ வருவாரோ மதுரை மணி அய்யர் கோபால கிருஷ்ண பாரதி
https://youtu.be/RnjRyojd-CA
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M.S.Suublakshmi around 1955)
எப்போ வருவாரோ ஸ்ரீமதி எம்.எஸ்.
https://youtu.be/Zt_YHL0071k
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Nityhiraiyil vanthu Nenjam kudikoNda N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM Suddhananda Barathy
நித்திரையில் வந்து நெஞ்சம் குடி கொண்ட வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... tu-jonpuri
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25) BEEMPLAAS- kanthan karuNai puriyum vadivel
பீம்ப் ளாஸ்
கந்தன் கருணை புரியும் வடிவேல்- மதுரை மணி அய்யர் - 'குகன்
https://youtu.be/jvsI7B-8tjQ
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veLLaith thaamaraip poovil iruppaaL..SUBRAMANYA bARATHI
வெள்ளைத் தாமரை பூவில் இருப்பாள் மதுரை மணி அய்யர் சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி
https://youtu.be/aqAnvHlxIYU
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26) BEHAG பெஹாக்
சுகுமாரா ( 1940) Smt. MS (SAKUNTHALAI) துறையூர் ராஜகோபால சர்மா
https://youtu.be/brf1UZ3bR7g
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அரங்கா உன் மகிமையை Smt.MS கல்கி (1945) எஸ்.வி.வெங்கட்ராமன்
https://youtu.be/l_8NnMrw_fc
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27) SINDHU BAIRAVI aanandham en solvene SAKUNTHALI 1940
ஸிந்து பைரவி Smt.MS ஆனந்தம் என் சொல்வேன் (1940)
https://youtu.be/MpaGxpYoZ6o
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CHANDRASEKARA EESAA ALATHOOR PAAPANASAM SIVAN
சந்திரசேகர ஈஸா - ஆலத்தூர்- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/FbBkQRHoo_E
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28) PARAJ maravene eNNaalilume 1945 KALKI
பரஜ் மறவேனே எந்நாளிலுமே (1945) கல்கி- எஸ்.வி.வெங்கட்ராமன்
https://youtu.be/S7eVjyEp9Q4
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29)NADHANAAMAKRIYA
நாத நாமக்ரியை Smt.MS ஆரார் ஆசைப்படார் ( aaraar aasaippadaar )
https://youtu.be/qhamgpy-5zE
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மனம் குளிர உள்ளம் குளிர Smt.MS (1940) சகுந்தலை
https://youtu.be/O_Eg4h4OXiQ
( nice song for environment activists)
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30) NAVROJ நவ்ரோஜ் எங்கும் நிறை நாதபிரம்மம்)1940) சகுந்தலை
பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/aNcfPoTj1wQ
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Planning to cover 100 ragams for beginners

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#10 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR »

please add the following to kambodhi song. (item 9) @7
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kambodhi---viruttham- by GNB in Sakunthalai ( 1940) -solo.
https://youtu.be/fgMVmJvMiQw
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and thanks to Arasi madam for the encouragement
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please read பௌளி in the first list... ( neelakanta sivan----song)

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(continuing from @9)
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31) RATHIPATHIPRIYA...... JAGATHJANANI -MM.DANDAPANI DESIKAR
ரதிபதிப்ரியா....... ஜகத்ஜனனி .. தண்டபாணி தேசிகர்.. கானம் கிருஷ்ண ஐயர்
https://youtu.be/xVv9gN0ABsw
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32) MUKARI - SIVAKAAMA SUNDARI - D.K.PATTAMMAL-PAPANASAM SIVAN
முகாரி சிவகாம சுந்தரி டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் ,- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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33) MANIRANGU N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM KADALIL
மணிரங்கு--கடலில் அமிழ்ந்திடுவோம்-என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... -maniranku
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34)NAVARASAKANADA- d.k.pattammal- Naan oru viLaiyaattu- (paapanaasam sivan)
நவரஸ கானடா- நான் ஒரு விளையாட்டு- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் ,- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/k3T5YKSkh1I
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35) MAYAMALAVAGOULA ...SIVALOKA NAADHANAIK KANDU .. DANDAPANI DESIKAR--P.SIVAN
மாயாமாளவகௌள-சிவலோக நாதனைக் கண்டு-தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் (1942 --நந்தனார்)
https://youtu.be/lGpKkE31rww
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36) KARNATAKA DEVAGANDHARI-EPPADIPPADINARO- D.K.PATTAMMAL-SUDDHANANDA BARATHY
கர்நாடக தேவகாந்தாரி..எப்படிப் பாடினரோ .. டி கே பட்டம்மாள்-சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
https://youtu.be/54yIqReUGl4 (with lyrics)
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37) VARAALI-KA VA VA (MUST LISTEN). MADURAI MANI IYER-paapanaasam sivan
வராளி..கா வா வா கந்தா வா...மதுரை மணி அய்யர்
https://youtu.be/-mUlvpb6438 ( with lyrics)
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38)BILAHARI..'KATHIRAVAN UDHAYAM KANDU'- N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM
பிலஹரி.....கதிரவன் உதயம் கண்டு..என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் ( 1945- ஹரிதாஸ்)
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... ritas-film ( download and play in vlc)
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39) KAMAAJ- 'MARAINTHA KOONDIL IRUNTHU- 1945-
கமாஜ் மறைந்த கூண்டில் இருந்து எம்.எஸ். 1945 (மீரா)
https://youtu.be/XZODgzoQVrE ( SAREGAMA)
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40)MANJI -- VARUKALAAMO - M.M.DANDAPANI DESIKAR-PAPANASAM SIVAN
மான்ஜி - வருகலாமோ - தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் (1942 --நந்தனார்)
https://youtu.be/urcPeMDyxmo
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adding a few more..
BAIRAVI- DKPATTAMMAAL ( SUBRAMANYA BARATHI)
தொன்று நிகழ்ந்ததனைத்தும் thondru nikazhnthathu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpSsxYj9dwo
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ragam-?
ENTHAIYUM THAAYUM MAKIZHNTHU -D.K.PATTAMMAL- SUBRAMANYA BARATHY
எந்தையும் தாயும் மகிழ்ந்து குலாவி -
https://youtu.be/bXMaYZ6HioE

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41) DHANYASI 'kalai vaaNi aruL PURIVAAl' - N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM
தன்யாசி ' கலைவாணி அருள் புரிவாள் ' என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju1AQcSXg0g
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42) DESH 'paattukkoru pulavan baarathiyada ' DANDAPANI DESIKAR
தேஷ் ---பாட்டுக்கொரு புலவன் பாரதியடா
தண்டபாணி தேசிகர்- கவிமணி தேசிக விநாயகம் பிள்ளை
https://youtu.be/70_DxxsWL6A
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தேஷ்
senthamizh osai - n.c.vasanthakokilam-- periyasami thooran- music by c.r.subbaraman
https://youtu.be/rhzN3gCZGUs
தேஷ்- 'செந்தமிழ் ஓசை ' N.C. வசந்தகோகிலம்-பெரியசாமி தூரன்
https://youtu.be/rhzN3gCZGUs

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43) BAGESREE SOOLAMAGALAM SISTERS
பாகேஸ்ரீ -கந்தன் திருநீரணிந்தால் - சூலமங்கலம் சகோதரிகள்
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44) GOPIKA THILAKAM aasai konden vande N.C.Vsanthakokilam- Suddhananda barathy
கோபிகாதிலகம்
ஆசை கொண்டேன் வண்டே என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zO9kNmlv_I
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45)SURUTTI - thillai sthalam - N.C.Vasanthakokilam
சுருட்டி தில்லை ஸ்தலம் - என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://youtu.be/CXquX4g9YeI ( IS THIS BY GOPALAKRISHNA BARATHY?)
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46) சுத்த தன்யாசி - 'கண்ணா வா மணி வண்ணா வா - என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://youtu.be/-8-q_ZfwTqI
suddha dhanyaasi - kaNNaa vaa maNivanna vaa -n.c.vasanthakokilam
upload by vetran sapthagireesan
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47) பந்துவராளி 'தேவியைப் பூஜை செய்வாயாய் 1941
எம்.எஸ்.சுப்புலக்ஷ்மி - ( சாவித்ரி -எம்.எஸ். நாரதர் )
panthuvaraaLi- 'deviyaip poojai seyvaay' Smt.MS.Subbulakshmi ( as Naradhar) 1941)
https://youtu.be/9NDzI1QDG5Y
( upload by veteran Saptha gireesan)
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48) சஹானா --' வருவானோ வனக்குயிலே' -என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் -சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
SAHANA - 'varuvaano vanak kuyile'- n.c.vasanthakokilam - lyrics by Suddhanada barathy
https://youtu.be/I7hzBhK0KYU
( saregama donated)

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49) மோஹன கல்யாணி ' 'இனியாகிலும் மனமே '--- என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
mohana kalyaaNi- "iniyaakilum maname' - N.C.Vsanthakokilam
https://youtu.be/I2SQgFom49E ( upload by Raju Asokan)
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50) ஸ்ரீரஞ்சனி காண வேண்டாமோ
எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் ( நந்தனார்-1942)
பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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https://youtu.be/jcDVrX0g8t4

sreeranjani -- 'kaaNa vendaamo' - M.M.Dandapani Desikar -lyrics by Papanasam Sivan 1942
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#14 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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in continuation of songs for jonpuri---the ever-green 'eppo varuvaaro' ...here is a slightly ( very slightly ) modified version rendered by N.C.VASANTHAKOKIOLAM.
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http://www.tfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.p ... epponcv.rm
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and some descriptions.
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"eppO varuvaarO..’ from vENugaanam. Sung by N.C.Vasantakokilam.
Gopalakrishna Bharathi’s original lines suitably altered by Kambadasan, and set to music by Govindarajulu Naidu.

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vENugaanam (1941/ Jewel Pictures) was scripted by the legendary K.Ramnoth. Dialogues were written by Ki.Ra. The film was directed by the famed Murugadasa, who had earlier directed films like sundaramoorthi naayanaar (1937). The film starred N.C.Vasantakokilam, V.V.Sadagopan, K.Sarangapani, G.Sakuntala and others.

The film was based on the story of princess Mitravinda, who hears of the wonderful deeds of Lord Krishna and pines for his love. Her determination sees her through seemingly insurmountable hurdles, and she finally marries the Lord.

(source: http://tfmpage.com/forum/23721.20880.03.21.22.html)
I believe the film was a great success, the wonderful songs rendered by Vasantakokilam and Sadagopan acting as bewitching catalysts in drawing the crowds to the movie halls.

Viravanalloor Vedantham Sadagopan was a gifted singing star who glittered for a brief while in the late 30s and early 40s. All the songs were written by Kambadasan. Over the years I managed to collect the following songs from the film, but I guess there would be some more songs in the album. ‘yEzhai chelvan jaadhi bEdham’ (VVS),
‘inbam inbam jagamengum inbam’ (NCV),
‘puNNiya dhinamindRE srikaNNan piRandha puNNiya dhinam’ (NCV),
‘seyal purindhidavENdum’ ( VVS, set in Reethigowlai!),
‘vindhai maandhar seyalE’ (VVS)
are all vintage treasures, soaked deep in the pristine classical heritage of early tfm.

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#15 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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RSR, I have never herd the songs from the film Venuganam. Can you please upload the above songs by NCV and VVS.

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#16 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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RSR, Thanks for your painstaking efforts in listing the tamil songs.

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#17 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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CRama wrote: 20 Feb 2019, 14:16 RSR, Thanks for your painstaking efforts in listing the tamil songs.
Respected Sir, Thank you.
I will try to upload / or give link, to 'venuganam film songs' by NCV / VV Sdagopan shortly.
Dr.Pasupathy , in this forum, may have many songs by VVSdagopan in his collection.
(pasupathivukaL).

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#18 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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continuing from @13
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51) kalYaNI----'kaNNane en kaNavan'....G.N.BALASUBRAMANYAM -78 RPM
கல்யாணி ......கண்ணனே என் கணவன் ----ஜி.என்.பாலசுப்ரமணியம்
https://youtu.be/K8QGj7e5S4c
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52) keeravaaNi - 'Devi neeye thunai '- Smt.MS.Subbulakshmi- Paapanaasam Sivan
கீரவாணி ----'தேவி நீயே துணை '- ஸ்ரீமதி எம்.எஸ்.--பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/hkNujASrFpM
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53) Nattaikkurinji - 'kavalaiyaith theerppathu Naattiyak kalaiye'- MKT Bgavathar- P.SIVAN
‘Kavalayai Theerpadhu’ from Sivakavi is one of the finest pieces in Natakurinji. Papanasam Sivan scored the music and penned the lyrics. G. Ramanathan, took care of the orchestration.
நாட்டைக்குறிஞ்சி ..கவலையைத் தீர்ப்பது நாட்டிக் கலையே....எம் .கே டி பாகவதர் ( சிவகவி) பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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54)
maname gaNamum maravaathe - Smt.MS ( as Naradhar -Film Savithri) 1941
Music:Thuraiyur Rajagopala Sarma & Kamaldas Gupta.
https://youtu.be/RuPsAGer9V0
மனமே கணமும் மறவாதே .....ஸ்ரீமதி. எம்.எஸ். ( நாரதராக -) ( 1941-saavithri film )
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deviyaip poojai seyvaay - Smt.MS- ( as Naradahar) (1941-savithri film)
தேவியைப் பூஜை செய்வாய் ஸ்ரீமதி எம்.எஸ் (1941)
https://youtu.be/0l2d9jPJ024
( upload by APKN Sapthagireesan)
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56)AABOGI- 'sabaapathikku veru deyvam '- Smt.MS- Gopala krishna Barathy

ஆபோகி - 'சபாபதிக்கு வேறு தெய்வம் ' --ஸ்ரீமதி. எம்.எஸ். --கோபாலகிருஷ்ண பாரதி
https://youtu.be/oEQ_TPyU2Pg
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#19 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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CRama wrote: 20 Feb 2019, 14:15 RSR, I have never herd the songs from the film Venuganam. Can you please upload the above songs by NCV and VVS.
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Respected Sir,
Three songs by Sri.V.V.Sdagopan and two by NCV are available in toorrent download.
(old tfmpage). It needs caution , as the login is not streamlined.
I will try to download and place them in web , soon.
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You will be interested in an upload by Raju Asokan of a few of the 78 rpm records of VVSadagopan.

http://tfmpage.com/forum/23721.20880.03.21.22.html
dhool write up on ncv and vv sadagopan

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vv sadagopan songs
78 rpm
raju asokan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFoSr82jk7Q
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https://youtu.be/1cyGitXZaNk
v.v.sadagopan-villinai -barathy-kavadichindhu-
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Can you please download the music part and split them and give ragam info.
Raju Asokan himself has mentioned the sequence of songs but I need ragam info.

Best Regards.

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#20 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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So many tamizh songs! Haven't heard much of any of it growing up! By 80(s) only stories. In that paTTimanRam (link below!) Ghatam Karthik lists all the songs - cinnanciru pEN pOLE, enna kavi pADinAlum, marudamalai etc. All bhakti based! Those were still being heard in blasting street speakers and temple audio!

And he is right. GNB meant only rAdha samEDa - that too only hearsay from Grandmas! Nobody was playing these.

But others?? Here the judge explains what became of such music: https://youtu.be/ZXndbZ60bfQ?t=1781 .

rAgAm is there. But I would have never thought that these had anything to do with Carnatic. Just the background music is a deal breaker! That puts it in a diff genre. In fact some of us hated the background music filled recordings by various Carnatic artistes of the YACM era.

If these songs are Carnatic, then we must declare that music a roaring success! The term golden era of music assumes a different meaning altogether :lol:

Even coming to the U.S, I discover a old TNS recording, actually in the flight itself - with CS MurugabhUpathy! His student was travelling for the same assignment. As soon as I land Ramnad Krishnan. Nobody was talking about these oldie tamizh songs anymore. These 78 RPM(s) are some private collectors things.

Only reason I can think of. Carnatic music has SAStra and some science backing it. Even if it is deviating from the same!

It looks like sometimes when you are in the middle rungs of an organization, they say you have to manage upwards as well as downwards. Same way, I guess I have to teach some of these oldsters what real Carnatic music is , while at the same time talking down to the millennials :evil: :lol:

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#21 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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(continued from @18)
the ragam for 'maname ganamum' is aaberi
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57) குந்தல வராளி -'மாலே மணி வண்ணா - மதுரை மணி ஐயர்-( திருப்பாவை )
https://youtu.be/uRniCt-2dQI
KUNTHALAVARAALI-MADURAI MANI IYER-MAALE MANI VANNAA -(thiruppaavai)
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58) ஸு த்த சாவேரி---'தாயே திரிபுர சுந்தரி- டி கே பட்டம்மாள் -பெரியசாமி தூரன்
https://youtu.be/KcJdnV15tJc
suddha saaveri- 'thaaye thripura sundari'- d.k.pattammaL- (PERIYASAMI THOORAN)
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59) அசாவேரி ---' சரணம் சரணம் '- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் -(அருணாச்சலக் கவிராயர்)
https://youtu.be/WC5BqiVwvWo
asaaveri- 'saranam saranam' - d.k.pattammal- ( aruNachalak kaviraayar)
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60) சுருட்டி ' காண வேண்டும் லட்சம் கண்கள் '- வி.வி.சடகோபன்-(அருணாசல கவிராயர்)
https://youtu.be/qjcNKyyZjdI
churutti- 'kaaNa veNdum laksham kaNkaL'- v,v.sadagopan- aruNachalak kaviraayar
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#22 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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@RSR , which of your rAgA identification queries have gone unanswered? I will search your history and find out. This compilation of yours is amazing. Please keep it up.

You may link to modern artistes from appropriate commercial YT channels if you wish.

Sometime back I had made a thread of ragas of tiruppAvai and tiruvempAvai in the rAgAs section. That also would be very useful.

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#23 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Thought of adding some of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions.
anybody interested ?

and RSR sir, very nice compilation of ragams and songs.

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#24 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Continued from #21 ;) :

Even in the IIT hostel late 80s/early 90s, there was one room that was still playing evari mATTA with kambodhi Alapana of IyenArvAL (Ariyakudi), with PMI or PSP as accompaniment. And I got to discover , as of yet , undiscovered instrument called gOTTUvAdyam.

The probability of finding such things in that hostel was still negligibly positive :shock: :lol: . Like finding an electron here at the other end of the cosmos! :lol:

But the probablity of anybody playing any of these tamizh movie old timers was zero to zilch! There was rock/pop/Mohmd Rafi/Lata/Kishore Kumar/Jagjit Singh!

Even the tamizhans were not hearing these tamizh songs. They may be hearing one of these above Hindi artistes or what was current then.

SAstram and angvastram ( or what they call as angOstaram in tamizh! :D ) did the tricks I guess. :lol:

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#25 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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ajaysimha wrote: 22 Feb 2019, 18:25 Thought of adding some of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions.
anybody interested ?

and RSR sir, very nice compilation of ragams and songs.
Why not? Not just him, any tamizh CM composer. Even thirukkuraL has found it's way to CM now.

The difference between this particular thread and the vidwans / vaggeyakaras thread was that the mods only want a song or two per post there because that allows for listening, discussion and a thread to develop and these are the threads that get the maximum views and posts in the long run.

This one however is purely a compilation thread. So let 'em rain...

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#26 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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continued from @21
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61) பவானி - ' உன்னையின்றி' - எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி-( பாடலாசிரியர்- எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் )
https://soundcloud.com/user461654480/un ... esigar-mlv
M L Vasanthakumari sings M M Dandapani Desigar's composition Unnai Yandri in raga Bhavani set to Rupaka talam.-
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62) கானடா 'அலை பாயுதே கண்ணா ' மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம்
( ஊத்துக்காடு வேங்கட கவி)
https://youtu.be/KKAVDdL3E_I
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kaanadaa - 'alai payuthe kaNNaa'- Maharajapuram Santhanam - OOTTHUKKADU VENKATA KAVI
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63) நாட்டைக்குறிஞ்சி --'பால் வடியும்' -மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம்-(ஊத்துக்காடு வேங்கட கவி)
https://youtu.be/Zh43DFtbFhs ( donated by saregama)
Naattaikkurinji- 'paal vadiyum'- Maharajapuram Santhanam - OOTTHUKKADU VENKATA KAVI
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64) நீலாம்பரி (?) '' கண்ணே கமலப் பூ '- எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி- thaalaattup paadalkal -lullabies ( the ragam has to be ascertained correctly..need help)
https://youtu.be/F1LUoeNkZFk
Neelaambari(?)- 'kaNNe kamalappoo'- M.L.Vaasantha kumari
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65) ' காதார் குழை ஆட ' எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி ( திருவெம்பாவை) ( aaberi?)
https://youtu.be/qdV4iIF5XQ8
'aaberi(?) 'kaadhaar kuzhi aada ' - M.L.Vasanthakumari - ( Thiruvempaavai)
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66) ரீதிகௌளை-பேரானந்தம் காண்-முசிறி சுப்பிரமணிய அய்யர்-(துக்காராம் -1938)
Tukaram 1938 Peraanandam Kaan Musiri Subramania Iyer -(paapanaasam sivan)
https://youtu.be/WL3bcRHLHCA
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67) கீரவாணி- இன்னமும் ஸந்தேஹப் படலாமோ--சாத்தூர் சுப்பிரமணிய ஐயர்
https://youtu.be/KjwFDX8R1MY
keeravaaNi - 'innamum sandhehap padalaamo? -SATTHOOR SUBRAMANYA IYER
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68) பேகடா--சிதம்பரம் ஹரஹரா என்றுஒருதரம்-ஜி.என்.பாலசுப்ரமணியம்
https://youtu.be/AArbHGqEsUc
begadaa- 'hara hara endru ' - G.N.B-
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68)காம்போதி-'திருவடி சரணம்'-செம்மங்குடி ஸ்ரீனிவாச ஐயர்-GOPALAKRISHNA BARATHY
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69) பிலஹரி( already done)-ஜய விட்டல-முசிறி சுப்பிரமணிய ஐயர் ("துக்காராம்)-1938
bilahari- jaya vittala- MUSIRI- film Tujkaram- 1938
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70)ஹேமவதி-'என்னைக் காத்தருள்'-மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம்
hemavathi- 'ennaik kAttharuL'- MAHARAJAPURAM SANTHANAM ( available in web)
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#27 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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To Sri.Ajay, SrinathK, shankaranK
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Sri.Ajay-> Thank you very much.
SrinathK-> Thank you for the encouragement.
shankaranK-> Understandable.
I belong to 1945-> 1965 generation and you are from 1965-> generation.
You may notice that , I am consciously choosing only such songs and vocalists prior to 1955
( maharajapuram santhanam is an exception ).. Actually, I am out of touch with all renderings after 1965-> even of my icons like MS and DKP.
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Actually, art of communication, needs Five instead of Three modes.
1) to a fresher/ general public (2) to junior colleague (3) to co-worker (4) to team leader/ project manager (5) to the CEO.
To a junior colleague, just some technical details with a sprinkling of technical terms.
To the project manager, we avoid explaining technical details but substitute the appropriate jargon, which they can easily follow.
But when the CEO drops in casually in workspot and chats with the worker as to what he is doing, it is best to give what they call 'executive summary!". almost like what we would have told the general public. !
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Here we go in a tangent, as is our wont! Pardon.
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The language used when talking to fresher and CEO may have to be same. ( avoiding jargon and making things short and simple).

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1965 was a watershed. All the stars in the CM world were either leaving us or were very much past their prime and creativity.
and Thank you for your permission to keep the posts going forward till the target- 100 ragams are reached. Why not help me?
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Some clarifications
1) The main purpose of my posts in this particular thread, is to provide what I feel are the best renditions ( short and sweet) of a song in particular commonly knowmn ragam. ( the target is 100 ragams ). So, it is not from song to ragam but ragam-> song... It is purely meant for absolute beginners. When they meet the name of a ragam, they should think of the corresponding song. mentioned here. If so, the purpose is served.
2) I am not discussing the lyrics at all though I am very particular that the lyrics are from famous and erudite poets and scholars. in chaste and lovely language.
3) The songs should have been written in tamizh language. and should not be from any film
( NCV songs ( a few) , Dandapani Desikar songs from Nandanaar, MS songs from her classic films are exceptions as they are all pre-1950 and are by no means to be dismissed as 'mere film songs.' ). and are of undoubted exceptional quality. ( lyrics by papanasam sivan, kalki, and barathi..and set to great music by people like paapanasam sivan himself, and s.v.venkataraman. )
4) The posts were prompted by SrinathK 's opening guidelines in this thread.
5) I feel no purpose is served if I just mention the ragam, song, and singer. The rasika needs a link ( legal at that) to listen to. . So, it takes time.to search and find.
6) All the rasikas are requested to post a few ragams not covered by me so far.
This is an attempt to bring back the songs of 78 rpm era ( 1935-1955). . I hope that at least a few rasikas , will cherish these songs which are nearly 60-80 years old!
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A side note. After Purandaradasa period( say 1500), there was a gap upto 1800. During this period, we had tamil poets/ composers ( arunachalak kavi , mutthu thaandavar, maarimuttha pillai, and contemporaneous with the trinity, Gopalakrishna Barathy). Ooothukkadu kavi lived during the interregnum and gave us many great songs in all genres in Sanskrit and Tamil. During the same period, we had Krishna Leela Tharangini by a t poet NARAYANA THEERTHA. who lived in kaavery delta and created many beauties. Unfortunately, they are not in tamizh.
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We can appreciate the need for this thread, if, just think of a ragam name and the corresponding krithi. Unconciously, it will be in either sanskrit or kannada or telugu. Very rarely from tamizh? Correct me if I am wrong.
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#28 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Well, sufficient history has been established so that, a suruTTI now evokes vangakkaDAl kaDainda or a hamIr kalyANI - tUmaNI mADattu - former not really gItArtamu or bhajana parula and the latter not some other song like mAnamu lEdA or purahara nandana!

My posts are geared towards more general ruminations especially things like SAstras ( with that angOStram :lol: ), antiquity and such and what is their role and importance, since they have come under attack: https://youtu.be/lQdkFRUzoTU?t=876

I am using the thread's intent about songs, especially tamizh songs and how those might fit into an over all scheme!

You can keep going Sir!!

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in continuation of @26
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71) பஹுதாரி--சதானந்த தாண்டவம்--மதுரை மணி அய்யர்- அச்சுத தாசர்
bahudhaari - sadaanandha thaandavam- madurai mani iyer- acchutha daasar
https://youtu.be/QqOwRH-pkg0
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72) 'ஆடிய பாதம் நின்றாடிய பாதம் '- எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் - திருவருட்பா
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-RNRgpuLPs
Adiya pAdham nindraadiya paadham - M.M.DANDAPANI DESIKAR- 'THIRUVARUTPAA'
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73) வந்தனதாரிணி - 'மனமே உனக்கு இதமாய - எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் -
https://youtu.be/ekoHDrBike8
vandhana dhaariNi- 'maname unakku idhamaay'- MM DandapanNi desikar. (saregama)
(Lakshman_ji has provided transcription in that link).
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#30 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Good one. Just look ( not just hear!) at the kARvai in tANDavam. Floorer!

Here is DKJ in a national program yadukulakAmbodhi (யதுகுலகாம்போதி) - kumaran tAzh paNindE tudi:

https://youtu.be/idpkX-cKy-o?t=1512

Full of atItams! Start of the song is itself atItam.

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#31 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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shankarank wrote: 24 Feb 2019, 21:18 Good one. Just look ( not just hear!) at the kARvai in tANDavam. Floorer!

Here is DKJ in a national program yadukulakAmbodhi (யதுகுலகாம்போதி) - kumaran tAzh paNindE tudi:
https://youtu.be/idpkX-cKy-o?t=1512
Full of atItams! Start of the song is itself atItam.
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Yes Sir. Distracting. May I know the ragam of MMDD thiruvarutpaa? (item 72) added just now.
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#32 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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#29 -> item 72 It is SencuruTTi ! Lightened here and there!

Reminded me of a BhArathiAr song of Sanjay @Cleveland 2002,3,4 - after the concert a friend went and inquired the rAgAm. HarikAmbOdhi-light came the reply.

HarikAmbOdhi itself has it's struggles - what is this light?!

I guess rAgAs (tunes) are getting cloud ready and then AI - ready. It will be like how languages got into dictionaries. :P

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74) ஹம்சநாதம் -'பாட வேன்டுமே '- எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் -( இயற்றியவரும் அவரே)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX6sdPee0A0
hamsanaadham- 'paada veNdeme'- by MMDanapaNi desikar- his own composition -lyrics and music
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75) சாருகேசி -- ' இன்னும் என் மனம் '- மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம் - (வர்ணம்) இயற்றியவர் - லால்குடி ஜெயராமன்
https://youtu.be/MU0cOUvWKD4
Maharajapuram Santhanam-Innum en manam-Charukesi-Varnam-Lalgudi Jayaraman
upload by shankar rajasekaran
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76) ) ராகம் ஸரஸ்வதி ---'தேவாதி தேவா '- சித்தூர் சுப்பிரமணிய பிள்ளை
இயற்றியவர் மாயூரம் munsif வேதநாயகம் பிள்ளை
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http://www.sangeethamshare.org/svasu/UP ... -0401-0600
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Ragam- Saraswathi- 'devaadhi devaa'- Chitthoor Subramanya Pillai -
composer- munsif Vedanayakam Pillai
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77) ஹமீர்கல்யாணி - 'தூமணிமாடத்து சுற்றும'- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் - ( திருப்பாவை)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlzrFOwmD-Q
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hameerKalyani- 'thoomaNi maadatthu - D.K.PattammaL- THIRUPPAVAI
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78) சக்ரவாகம்- 'அறிவுடையோர்- சித்தூர் சுப்பிரமணிய பிள்ளை
https://youtu.be/NXMqu3WbxcU
CHAKRAVAAHAM - 'ARIVUDAIYOR' - CHITTHOOR SUBRAMANYA PILLAI -
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79) ஆரபி - 'ஓங்கி உலகளந்த உத்தமன் ' -' அரியக்குடி ராமானுஜம் அய்யங்கார்
திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/ECx1UaamrNk
AARABHI- ONGI ulakaLanth utthaman per paadi'- Ariyakkudi Ramanuja Iyengar- Thiruppaavai
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80) ஆந்தோளிகா - 'சேவிக்க வேண்டும் ஐயா '- ஜி.என்.பாலசுப்ரமணியம் -(முத்து தாண்டவர்)
https://youtu.be/s22lumwoQVE
aandolikaa- 'sevikka veNdum aiya' - G.N.BALASUBRAMANYAM - (MUTTHU THANDAVAR)
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#34 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Sharing the link to a very nice article by Gowry Ramnarayan about Smt.MS and Tamil Isai movement in pre-independence years. Contains some rare information. A PDF.

https://dhvaniohio.org/wp-content/uploa ... arayan.pdf

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#35 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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RSR wrote: 25 Feb 2019, 13:31 77) ஹமீர்கல்யாணி - 'தூமணிமாடத்து சுற்றும'- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் - ( திருப்பாவை)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlzrFOwmD-Q
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hameerKalyani- 'thoomaNi maadatthu - D.K.PattammaL- THIRUPPAVAI
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That was a beautiful rendition the way they try to negotiate the kARvais. Especially the line mAmAn magaLE maNi<<:corrected:>>.. they ( and ARI originally!) must have been thinking of how maNi(<<:Corrected;>>) maNTapa was handled by SubbarAya SAStri.

Later renditions of the YACM era have paused for too long in magaLE and did an uppuma or masiyal with maNik<<:corrected:>> kadavam tAL<<:corrected:>> tiravai. "ham kO man ki Sakti dEnA" to sun kaRnakEliyE!! :lol: Stampede of syllables in front of the opening door!

With the ARI rendition ( DKP/DKJ also follow that although it is less prominent!) , the atItam on ezhu | ppIrO and later on navin | DRElO , and the subsequent tumbling of 3s in is like somebody taNNi teliccufying ( sprinkling water to get her up!) and somebody pUmArip pozhinjufying along with nAmam reciting ( showering of flowers) what with PMI taking the cue and highlighting it!

But as always there are questions. To answer the MS article by Gowri on tamizh compositions, and panoramic classicism etc., this perfectly fits a miSra cApu with 4 offset eDuppu just like few other tiruppAvAis. There is some association between 7 and Women - 7 Sisters , sapta kanyAs.

We will pick this one up again in kriyas/angas/lyrical/structure thread!
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#36 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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MS knew of Subramania Bharati’s warning that singing
exclusively in a language that the listener did not understand
would make Carnatic music lose ground in Tamil Nadu. She
often heard Rasikamani T.K. Chidambaranatha Mudaliar
insist that sahitya bhava was indispensable to the kriti, and
that neither singer nor listener could experience rasa without
understanding the lyric – “Porul terindu paaduvad
If it is that telugu is suitable for panoramic classicism, then Annamacarya should be center stage, by now!! If it is just about Kannada the "language" as "languages" go nowadays, then PurandaradAsa should be center stage. If it is tamizh the "language" Bharathi and other puratchi kavinjars (revolutionary poets) would be center stage! And Malayalam is nowhere to be seen!

If it is Sanskrit , every Sloka of yore can be dwelt with panoramic classical rendition. dIkshitar's dvitiyAkshara prAsam is a drAviDa (southern origin!) as old Sanskrit works do not conform!

I appreciate their way of expression as opinion leaders on the forefront , but I cannot agree to "without understanding the lyric" caveat. I can agree with "this is my mother tongue" affiliation - but not the "understanding" part. "Understanding " takes us to metaphysical realms!

Meaning and making sense of things as taught in secular modern education cannot be factored into this (Soon with AI, Math is the perfect language with infinite number of axioms!).

It has to be a vidvat sadas or an upanyAsaka with paramparic knowledge who should interpret, then I will consider meaning! For those who are still at it, I will default down to language as letters, starting with vaRNa , mAtra and chandas. There has to be a shared sense of beauty across generations and this is the only formulation that achieves that! It can evolve, but adds, not deletes or purges!

Letters were initially pictorial - and had a shape - hence may have been be connoted with color. vaRNa also means beauty, shape.

mAtRgAvaRNa rUpiNI goes one of the nAmAs.

The singing the praise of tamizh tai - was instituted by the Atheist government with atheists outside the government ridiculing it, as foolishness in instituting a new "God" in the form of language. At the end the atheists in the government agreed, but said they have to bow to the need of respecting the "uNaRvu" feelings of people!
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#37 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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I liked the line by TKC(?) ".. 'Porul terindu paaduvadu bhava sangeetam,
( singing with understanding of meaning, is 'bhaava sangeetham)
matradellam ayyo paavam sangeetam'"-( all else, 'pitiable' sangeetham)
The way in which he says it, though, I do not agree with his opinion.
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Back to my pet assertion ( and your pet aversion)...' lyrics are just a coat hanger for ragam'
and if so, the language of the krithi is immaterial. Nevertheless, when a musician sings a krithi, can he make grammar blunders? Absolutely no.
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'mAmAN' ..in current tamil usage, is mAman only. ( wrong?). and is it not ' maNik kathavam '?
maNikkathavam thAL ( or thAzh?). ( not mANikkathavam)....
Even if the krithi is in Tamizh, there is no certainty that the listeners understand the meaning.
That is why, maximum care has to be given in the choice of the song and singer.
If mother-tongue tamil itself suffers so much, how about lyrics in the other languages like Telugu, Kannada and Sanskrit? MalayaLam is just sanskrit!
Yet, when the theme, poetic quality of the song, setting it to sweet tune, orchestration, and glorious singing all merge, as in Smt.MS ( 'vadavaraiyai matthaakki') ragamalika,
( Ilango AdikaL SILAPPATHIKAARAM, Aychiyar kuravai, tuning and orchestration by S.V.Venkataraman, and singing by Smt.MS) (https//sites.google.com/site)+
homage2mssubbulakshmi/home/37-vadavaraiyai-matthaakki ,
I cannot but be thankful for being fortunate to listen to it.

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Yes sir, transliteration is hard and I over-capitalize sometimes ;)
RSR wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 15:58 'mAmAN' ..in current tamil usage, is mAman only. ( wrong?). and is it not ' maNik kathavam '?
I suppose this is the ARSha prayOga in tamizh - like SIksha( Seeksha) instead of Siksha. But may be a valid word also.

https://agarathi.com/word/%E0%AE%AE%E0% ... 9%E0%AF%8D

I am doing what I am not supposed to do!!

Also if you meant kathavam vs kadavam, the pronunciation is soft da, not ta, tamizh supports this naturally , but did not have a distinct phonetic representation.
RSR wrote: 28 Feb 2019, 15:58 Back to my pet assertion ( and your pet aversion)...' lyrics are just a coat hanger for ragam'
and if so, the language of the krithi is immaterial. Nevertheless, when a musician sings a krithi, can he make grammar blunders? Absolutely no.
Now, are we talking as the country where Eka santa grAhis lived?? A vidvAn who went from Andhra into the court of Shah Jahan, to whom he narrated verbatim a Urdu conversation exactly as heard, without knowing the grammar or the language?


Once SrI praNatARtiharan , the sanskrit professor in American college, Madurai during his discourse on SivAnandalahari in our local temple, was peeved that youngsters prepare for all kinds of entrance exams, but don't study the meaning of mantras. He, for a moment became unaware of the grandeur of his seat as an upanyAsakA and became just another professor, if you know what I mean!

Language of the kriti irrelevant?? The unified metaphysics underlying all Indian languages is still relevant! In that realm we should not be seeing them as different languages!

Don't you belong to a generation who mugged multiplication tables by rote, some times musically? ;)

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The tuning of tUmaNi mADattu, it should be noted, utilizes svarAkshara in all its beginning lines where there are two mA syllables - more aptly gamakAksharas , as it is ma(m1)-ga-pa-ma(m2).

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(continued from @33)
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81) மத்யமாவதி -'கற்பகமே ' - மதுரை மணி அய்யர்-(பாபநாசம் சிவன்)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyETG0gxCt0
madhyamaavathi -'karpagame'-madurai mani iyer-(papanaasam sivan)

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82) ஸ்ரீ ராகம்- (?)- 'சுரா சுரர் பணி பாதா '-( ஜனார்தனா) எம்.எஸ்.சுப்புலக்ஷ்மி
( 1945- மீரா )..( 'பாபநாசம் சிவன் )
https://youtu.be/uqz4Jb3KyOg
sri raagam - 'sura surar paNi paadaa'- ('janaardhanaa) Smt.MS -( Meera-1945)
( papanasam sivan)
( similar to 'naama kusuma ' -thyagaraja swami krithi- aalatthoor-) ( i may be wrong1-RSR)
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83) ஜகன்மோஹினி -' சிவகாம சுந்தரி' - ஸ்ரீமதி. மணி க்ருஷ்ண சாமி-கோபால க்ருஷ்ண பாரதி
https://youtu.be/890EVD6BkC4
jaganmohini ragam- 'sivakaama sunndhari'- Smt.MaNi Krshnaswamy - (Gopala krishna Bararathy)
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84) அசாவேரி - 'சரணம் சரணம் '- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் -அருணாசலக் கவி
https://youtu.be/WC5BqiVwvWo
asaaveri ragam - 'saranam saranam '- D.K.PattammaL- ( aruNaachalak kavi)
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85) சுத்த சாவேரி - 'தாயே திரிபுர சுந்தரி' -டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள்-பெரியசாமி தூரன்
https://youtu.be/KcJdnV15tJc
suddha saaveri- 'thaaye thripura sundhari' - D.K.PattammaaL- ( Peryasami Thooran)
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86) காவடிச் சிந்து - 'வில்லினையொத்த புருவம் '- வி .வி .சடகோபன்-SUBRAMANYA BARATHI
https://youtu.be/1cyGitXZaNk
kaavadich chinthu' (genre)- 'villinaiyottha puruvam' - V.V.Sadagopan -Subramanya Barathy
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shankarank wrote: 01 Mar 2019, 11:57..........
Don't you belong to a generation who mugged multiplication tables by rote, some times musically?
( a generation, 'which' rather than /who')
Yes.Sir. Wherever possible.
That was 'oral tradition'... The Vedic tradition puts reciting with correct cadence, before trying to 'understand' .( memorize first-- later-gradually-understanding will come in flashes). 'absorb the music.. sing it in your mind again and again... let it sink deep in your memory cells.. later we can substitute appropriate words in a language of our choice,, was our motto ). Papanaasam sivan's 'enna seyven' song in sriranjani ragam is said to be exactly set to the tune of thyagaraji krithi '
To quote
In Tamil film music, one of the earliest instances of Sriranjani on the silver screen was in the film Seva Sadhanam. M.S. Subbulakshmi sang ‘Enna Seiven’ in the exact tune of ‘Marubalka’ kriti! In those days, that was a way of attracting the public’s attention to a film song — tuning it in the exact melody of an already popular song.
What strikes one is that, back then Thyagaraja kritis were as popular as other film songs... times change, don’t they?
( color- by me)
Sivanandha Lahari is so musical even without any tune. Would have been more enchanting and mind-bogging sanskrit, if some 'tune smith' had set it to music. ...
( transliteration does not bring out the loveliness of the lines. Better to read it in original)
relevant here is
Smruthou shasthre vaidhye shakuna kavitha gana phanithou
Puranee manthre vaa sthuthi natana hasyeshwa chatura
Kadham ragman preethirbhavathi mayi koo aham pasu pathe
Pasum maam sarvagna pradhitha kripaya palaya vibho

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#42 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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What strikes one is that, back then Thyagaraja kritis were as popular as other film songs... times change, don’t they?
Actually they would have been still popular. Film music then had access only to the same group that was listening to tyAgarAja kritis ! May be a bit beyond and not much.

That group dwindled due to upward mobility and family planning - is my theory! What say you?

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shankarank wrote: 02 Mar 2019, 06:26 That group dwindled due to upward mobility and family planning - is my theory! What say you?
Sir, I beg to differ. Actually, the orthodox community did not understand the significance of the stage and film media in the decades of 1920-1940. and were actually very hostile.
( Even in the Trinity days, Gopala krishna Barathy chose the Tamil medium) During that time, the stage artistes like S.G.Kittappa + K.B.SundaraambaL captivated the general public with stunning classical music in plays. and in the film world, maximum importance was given to music, there also of great quality. Might have heard about GNB's early films, Musiri Subramanya Iyer, Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer , KaLakkad Ramanarayana Iyer, and of course,,V.V.Sdagopan M.M.DandapanNi desikar. We cannot leave out M,KT either. . Music directors like Thuraiyoor Rahjagopala Srma , Papanasam Sivan, Sudharsanam, &, G.Ramanathan contributed greatly too.
I remember , in my school days, names and tunes of ragams were very well known to the common people all over tiny villages of tamil country, mainly due to the plays and films and not at all through the orthodox galaxy. Dont you know, films like Haridas full of songs in classical tunes were all block-busters? What was the social composition of the audience? Definitely not the orthodox only.
The times have changed, brought about by advances in technology. and value system . We can only pray that film and TV producers shunned glamour and vulgarity and opted for good themes. ( unfortunately, 'it seems 'it is the dog that died!')
I submit, that musicians thorough with the classics of Purandharadasa, ,pre-trinity and the Trinity, adopt the same method as done by P.Sivan( create tamil songs in the same tune as the creators of CM and get it sung with artistes of highest caliber of voice culture and discipline). Rather a difficult task.-The theme assumes great importance.

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But the social composition of Carnatic listeners in many kalyANams - not just brahmin households, village temples, etc. were not , by any indication seems to have been orthodox ( or is it orthoprax) only.

The sanskrit pundits ,may sometimes ignore all things musical, they considered themselves beyond all that actually. The temple priests on the other hand knew of its significance , used it in Archana.

Also this Orthodox/Orthoprax etc., are not quite what they are defined to be!

You cannot talk about colonial, post colonial institutions of music in Madras only!

There were Orthodox ( using the term loosely to mean old fashioned or people with rigid ideas!) reviewers in Chennai , so much so that, a Sruti magazine 2009 or 2010 write up ( may be a letter to the editor!) mentions that GNB's concert outside Chennai were all much better than what he sang in there , due to the review menace!

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continued from
( becoming rather difficult to get suitable songs in tamil for ragams not yet covered ,especially pre-1955.. vintage . Some repetitions of ragams may kindly be condoned.).

87)ஜோதிஸ்வரூபிணி-'கானாமுத பானம்'-
களக்காடு ராம்நாராயண அய்யர்-( கோடீஸ்வர அய்யர் SAAHITHYAM )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ftKx5O ... e=youtu.be
jothiswaroopiNi- 'gaanaamudha baanam '- kaLakkadu ramaNaraayana Iyer-
( composer- koteeswara iyer)
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88)கல்யாணி-'உன் பெருமை '-செம்பை வைத்தியநாத பாகவதர்-(லலிதா தாசர்) ( LALITHA DASAR WAS A FRIEND OF CHEMBAI at Chennai )
https://youtu.be/CeIa1SZ6TXo
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நமக்கினி பயமேது -பி.யு.சின்னபபா- ( not a film song!)
https://youtu.be/8nqFcxfRGr8
Namakkini bayamedhu? P.U.Chinnappa- ( not from any film)
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89)குந்தலவராளி-மாலே மணிவண்ணா-எம்.எஸ்.சுப்புலக்ஷ்மி-திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/3CK3aiObqS8
kunthalavaraaLi- 'maale maNi vaNNaa'- Smt.MSS- THIRUPPAAVAI
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(90)color=#FF0000]ஜோன்புரி[/color] - ஆண்டவன் தரிசனமே-எஸ்.ஜி.கிட்டப்பா
இயற்றியவர் ஹரிகேசநல்லூர் முத்தையா பாகவதர்
https://youtu.be/QpkbU0hoXug
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(91)முருகா முருகா என்றால் -ராதா - ஜயலக்ஷ்மி ( desciples of GNB)
https://youtu.be/zYmMJQFhr04
MURUGA MURUGA ENDRAAL - RADHA& JAYALAKSHMI

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#46 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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Saw the link for the book posted in musicresearch.in:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0ggzfcqn51sf ... 6.pdf?dl=0

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#47 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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CRama wrote: 20 Feb 2019, 14:15 RSR, I have never herd the songs from the film Venuganam. Can you please upload the above songs by NCV and VVS.
Respected Sir, Came across this upload by Raju Asokan , yesterday.
I contains the following songs and one of them is from veNugaanam.
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Vidwan V V Sadagopan 78RPM recordings

1.Anirai Meyka
2. Enda veduko
3.Kanavenum
4.Kannan Mugam
5.Nadamadi thirintha
6.Parthasarathy
7.Rama Bhajanai
8.Seer Sirakkumeni Pasel
9.Sri Venkatesa
10.Sri Venugopala
11.Varuvalo Maatalo
12.Villinai Ottha
13. Vinthai Maandar Palar

https://youtu.be/nFoSr82jk7Q

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92)Vidwan Shri Thurayur Rajagopala Sharma
Thiruvadi Nambi Vanden Ragam Kedara Gowla
https://youtu.be/1Fq_443YS-o
திருவடி நம்பி வந்தேன்- துறையூர் ராஜகோபால சர்மா
கேதாரகௌளை
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93)S,G.KITTAPPA-SARAVANABHAVA-YAMUN KALYANI-
https://youtu.be/n0b0NyrOarU
சரவணபவ -எஸ்.ஜி.கிட்டப்பா -யமுன் கல்யாண்
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94)Thaayin manikodi (Patriotic song)... Singer, D K Pattammal
https://youtu.be/rW24mW07pOk
தாயின் மணிக்கொடி பாரீர் -டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள்-சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி
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95) இன்பக் கனவொன்று,துயிலினில் கண்டேன்- DKPattammal-Kalki-sindhubairavi
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattammalsongs/home/41
inbak kanavondru thuyilinil kaNden- DKP- Lyrics by KALKI

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96) சுருட்டி 'வங்கக்கடல் கடந்த ' - அரியக்குடி ஐயங்கார் -திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/lIlsXnsQcIE
surutti-vangak kadal kadantha- ariyakkudi ramanuja iyengaar - thiruppaavai
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97) கௌளை - 'வையத்து வாழ்வீர்காள் '-எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி -திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/4CjCExDkV1c
GOWLAI- 'vaiyatthu vaazhveerkaaL'- MLV- Thiruppaavai
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98) ஹுசேனி -கற்றுக் கறவை- எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி-திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/-5mX56rZk3Q
huseini- 'katruk karavai'- MLV- thiruppaavai
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99) ஆனந்த பைரவி-' உங்கள் புழக்கடை தோட்டத்த்து ' -எம்.எல்.வி.- திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/6BjyJaRv4sg
aananda bairavi - 'ungal puzhakkadai thottaatthu'- MLV- Thiruppaavai paasuram
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100) மத்தியமாவதி- சிற்றஞ்சிறு காலே வந்துன்னை '-எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி - திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/RMfj_5U9KBI
madhyamaavathi- 'chitranchiru kaale' -ML Vasanthakumari- AndaaL thiruppaavai
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sitramsirukAlE vandhunnai sEvitthun, pottramarai adiye pottrum poruL keLAi
pettram meitthuNNum kulatthil pirandhu nee, kuttrEval engaLai koLLAmal pOgAdhu
ittraipparai koLvAn anru kAN gOvindA, ettraikkumEzEzu piravikkum unthannOdu
uttrEmE AvOm unakkE nAm AtseivOm, mattrai nam kAmangal mAttrElOrempAvAi


Hear why we have come in the early morning and worship your lotus-like feet.
Being born in the clan of cowherds you cannot refuse our service to you.
We have not come here just ask for the requisites for this vratha but
to pray that we should belong to you for all the lives to come
and should serve you alone. remove all the other desires of ours.

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स्मृतौ शास्त्रे वैद्ये शकुन-कविता-गान-फणितौ
पुराणे मन्त्रे वा स्तुति-नटन-हास्येशु-अचतुरः
कथं राज्नां प्रीतिर्-भवति मयि को(अ)हं पशु-पते
पशुं मां सर्वज्न प्रथित-कृपया पालय विभो 5
------ ( refers to the stanza in sivaanandha lahari..)
https://shaivam.org/scripture/English-T ... ranslation
Ignoramus I am in the science of law, In the science of life,In the art of medicine,
In interpretation of events, In the art of poems and song,
In the difficult tomes of arty grammar,In the holy books of yore,
In the psalms of Vedas.
In singing about your great deeds, In the art of dance and in art of comedy,

And so how can I get favour of Kings?Oh Lord of all beings,
Oh all knowing one, Of most famous one,
And Oh , all pervading one,Tell me who am I?
And be pleased to protect me Showering on me your sea of mercy.

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ajaysimha wrote: 22 Feb 2019, 18:25 Thought of adding some of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions.
here are list of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions (all the links are available on YTB)
i have compiled the list as 1 song per Raga
additions are welcome

8. Hanumatodi
Taye yashode - Todi/Adi

15. Mayamalavagaula
Alavadennalo shivame - Paras/Adi

17. Suryakanta
Nila malar kola tirumeni kandu - Vasanta/Adi

20. Natabhairavi
Gambhira nadaiyodu vandan - Anandabhairavi/Adi
Ettanai kettalum podum enbade illai - Bhairavi/Adi

22. Kharaharapriya
Ayyan allavo - Devamanohari/Adi
Adum varai avar adattum arindukondenadi - Huseni/Rupakam
Alai payude kanna - Kanada/Adi
Adadu ashangadu va kanna - Madhyamavati/Adi
Yarenna shonnalum anjada nenjame - Manirangu/Adi
Dhyaname parama pavaname - Rasamanjari/Adi
Enna punniyam sheideno sadguru natha - Ritigaula/Mishra Chapu
Guru padaravinda komalam - Abhogi/Rupakam
Kanada atishaya pillai - Shriranjani/Adi

23. Gaurimanohari
Pazhamo pazhamo - Gaurimanohari/Adi

28. Harikambhodhi
Koduttu vaitta punniyavan - Natakuranji/Adi
Adinan vilaiyadinan - Sama/Adi
Vishamakkara kannan pollada (kavadi chindu) - Sensuruti/Eka
Parvai onru podume - Suruti/Adi

29. Dhirashankarabharanam
Velli nilavinile anda tella nilai tanile - Athana/Rupakam
Kan kanda daivame engal gati niye gurunatha - Begada/Adi
Ninringu unnarul kattum shollonru - Bilahari/Adi
Shonnal ozhiya - Kannada
Brindavanam enbadivaiyo - Kuranji/Adi
Eppadittan en ullam pughundu - Nilambari/Adi
Tanakku nigarillada svami - Shuddhasaveri/Rupakam

36. Chalanata
Ninranda mayil onru - Nata/Khanda Eka

51. Kamavardhini
Shonnadai kel kanna - Kamavardhini/Adi
Kallame ariyada kannanai - Amritavarshini/Adi

56. Shanmukhapriya
Varam onru tandarulvai vadivela - Shanmukhapriya/Adi

57. Simhendramadhyama
Ashaindadum mayil onru kanum - Simhendramadhyama/Adi

65. Mechakalyani
Arudam onru sholladi - Kalyani/Adi
Illai illai illaiyamma - Mohanam/Adi

Ragamalikas
Ippadiyum or pillai engeyum illai - Ragamalika/Jhampa
Shri rama jayame jayam - Ragamalika/Adi

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#50 Re: We need more tamil songs!

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I have two 78 rpm songs by Ariyakudi - rATTinamE in kApi and sundaramAna in kalyANi. If these have not been uploaded I can do so. Thanks.

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