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#1 We need more tamil songs!

Post by SrinathK » 15 Feb 2019, 21:04

We need more tamizh songs in CM alright. One zoomed out look tells me that telugu and sanskrit are still dominating the overall scene, given the variety of compositions in them and the fact that the Holy Trinity developed most of our rAgA system.

My main gripe as to why CM is not as popular as it could be is the lack of enough number of Tamizh songs to compete with the Telugu, Sanskrit and Kannada ones - this I'm saying despite the number of tamizh composers we have since the Azhwars and Nayanmars. Tamizh rasikas will be much happier with tamizh songs and even though a lot of things CM comes from Ancient Tamil music, I feel we are still not having enough tamizh songs even now, and we don't get rasikas to listen to more of them. Tamizh songs need to get popularized even more than ever.

As you might have observed, Sanjay has made this his USP over the years.

Here's the idea, can all of you help come up with a good list of only tamil songs (can and should also be film songs if they're carnatic based and bharatanATyam numbers) in the rAgAs and composers of your choice? Some of you are already opening lots of web pages with many popular songs or uploading them on Youtube. It is not necessary to share the links, you could (provided the mods don't mind), but even a list is ok for me. I just need to be able to get them somewhere online - buy, commercial, stream, YT, Sangeethapriya, anywhere else.

These may greatly help introduce CM to more of the tamil population (by which I include people in my own family and circles, especially :twisted: :twisted: - I have observed that lots of people don't listen to CM because they are unaware of how many tamizh CM songs are out there). You can make your list as long as you wish, provided that the collective effort will help cover a few songs in all the ragas. I'll also have a look at the rasikas efforts in translating many a tamizh song on this site.

Alternatively you could help develop the vaggeyakara composer section with tamil composers and that would also be ok. Just make sure to be careful with contemporary artistes, link to commercial channels for commercial albums and try as far as possible for non-commercial recordings. Even a list of tamil composers here would do, I can search with that.

One other idea is just link to other rasikas threads about tamizh music and composers here, so that this becomes a handy reference.

In the process I can also develop this one weak area of mine. Ok, on to the search facility. Let's see, "tamil" throws up 545 pages! Let me see what I can find....
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#2 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 16 Feb 2019, 09:27

Well before we start arguing, lets start with piLLayAR chuzhi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSV-9K5QOdc
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#3 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 16 Feb 2019, 12:02

There are lots of people who are learning "music", but not listening to "music" at all.

It seems the prevailing view is Professional musicians are professional musicians. They come and sing and some people are crazy about music and purchase tickets. It is their profession and they get paid.

The former are completely oblivious otherwise to it's history and glory. In fact this aspect I feel is more important , than whether they listen to music or have liking for it or have celebrity musicians that they adore!

You talked about relatives, who are not aware of tamizh songs. Before we talk about "music", should we not find out about what is their view of their language called "tamizh"?

1) is it just a useful language to order tea , haggle with auto-guy and veggie peddler in TN?


2) Or is it that they can "understand" that language - like "I know this language!"?

3) Or is it more like it is their mother tongue? if so, here what is the status of a Mother in their view?

I think these things needs explored as well! I know these are questions that may be insulting to the intelligence of people. But to make progress, we have to downgrade human intelligence a bit.

These kind of questions cannot be discussed , unless they themselves seek answers to such questions. There in lies the issue.

I recently heard in a spiritual discussion ( we were conversing in English!), somebody dismiss the idea of language as merely a means of communication. They were anxious that any discussion about language will quickly turn divisive. They seem more stressed about the prevailing "language" chauvinism , may be a reflection of the reality that their own social circles consist of their own language speakers and they didn't want to cloud the exalted spiritual discussion with all that supposedly divisive stuff.

I didn't quite have the opportunity to retort with another question as to what the hell is communication? Management-speak ( a separate language in itself like legalese) which has made into training material to address communication gaps in corporate workers, has emphasized formally that, what they mean by communication of corporate variety , is that the importance to content is only about 20% and majority of it is tone! Whatever the hell that means!

And English language training instructional material formally introduces term "musical" - yes I really saw it - when it trains children to construct sentences that sound like the famous Dr MLK Jr. quote "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." And there is more like that from Gerard Ford - Republican convention 1996 - "a government that gives you everything you want, is a government that takes everything you have"! By "musical" I guess they mean something that instantly appeals and sways the audience.

Beyond that, the fact that you might , even remotely, consider the possibility of one musician who commands good audience because he sings tamizh songs, instead of lets say his rAgA prowess, in itself is a big progress, whether it is actually true or not.

Along with that other questions spring up, like what is tamizh and what is music , are they separate entities yada yada!

But , but, isn't it known that most of the listeners of CM are already tamizhans!! :shock: :D :lol:
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#4 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 16 Feb 2019, 12:32

And as election season draws closer , I cannot but miss quoting the famous Chomsky , the great linguist quotes : "Why do the candidates have to campaign? They just have to simply state what they intend to in writing and have it published" :lol: :lol:
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#5 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 16 Feb 2019, 18:36

Shall we begin our journey in CM in tamizh language ( non-film) with two rare tamizh krithis of Shyama Sastry sung by Mrs.Sulochana Pattabiraman and her disciples?
google may give the page.
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Lakshman_ji has mentioned
Post by Lakshman » 01 Sep 2010, 16:52
ennEramum unpAda kamala. rAgA: punnAgavarALi. tripuTa tALA.
ennEramum un nAmam. rAgA: pUrvikalyANi. tripuTa tALA.
parAmukhamEnammA. rAgA: kalyANi. tripuTa tALA.
santatam ennai rakSippAi. rAgA: paraju. Adi tALA.
taruNam IdammA. rAgA: gauLIpantu. Adi tAlA.
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venkatakailasam mentions.. ( swathi thirunaaL thread)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/tributes/ ... ithis.html
16 ennEramum-un punnAgavarALi-1) எந்நேரமும் உன் பாத கமலம் - (புன்னாகவராளி )
18 ennEramum-un-nAmam pUrvikalyANi- எந்நேரமும் உன் நாமம் (-பூர்விகல்யாணி )
56 parAmugamEnammA- பரா முகம் ஏனம்மா? ...........(கல்யாணி )
73 taruNam-IdammA gauLIpantu-தருணம் இதம்மா - ( கௌளிபந்து)
The sl number is indicated against each song in the download link.
santatam ennai rakSippAi. rAgA: paraju. Adi tALA.- ஸந்ததம் என்னை ரக்ஷிப்பாய் -(பரஜ்)
This is to be located.
venkatakailasam
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#6 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RasikasModerator2 » 16 Feb 2019, 19:23

Please don't link to mio (Music India Online). It's banned by the DoT owing to piracy concerns. Our content policy rules are:

1) Non-commercial recordings from YT or private collections (preferably artistes of the previous generation) - Current performing artistes are a bit of a last resort option. If you think twice about sharing, just tell us to search for it ourselves.
2) Official YT channels of artistes, albums and other creators.
3) Sangeethapriya (that too take care to try for older recordings). The tribute pages are fine, they're the only resource of the kind having all the trinity compositions in one place.
4) Official music streaming sites. There are lots. You may even advise us to subscribe to sites like radioweb if needed. That's fine.
5) Sites of albums like charsur or sa re ga ma or others.
6) Live webcast channels are most welcome.
7) Any film in the last 30-40 years, please either share only from authorized channels or not at all. I think anything over 50 years back is fine. And that's usually where the really classical songs are from.

We are been careful because there was one forum member who was probably a musician who suddenly threatened action against us a decade back (we had to ban him for a while), and another forum member was dragged to court for simply telling a famous musician that he had heard a private recording of his live concert.

Sulochana Pattabhiraman's albums are all up on YT official channels. You may share from there. Or I'll do it this time : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SdzCl_y0F4
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#7 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 16 Feb 2019, 21:26

suggesting a few wonderful tamizh songs of 'decades back' ( mostly pre-1950)
My exercise is to give a handle to a raga through a nice rendering.
So, sometimes, a raga may have more than one artiste's rendering.
All these are pre-1950 vintage classics.but lyrics in tamizh can be found in
sites.google.com/site/
homage2mssubbulakshmi
ncvasanthakokilam
dkpattammaLsongs
( mods)kindly permit repeated editing....
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1) vasantha-- maa dhayai nidhi enum - MS (1938- may be sevasadhanam)-p.sivan
வசந்த- மா தயை நிதியேனும்--பாபநாசம் சிவன்
/site/homage2mssubbulakshmi/home/29-maadhayai-nidhiyenum
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2) hindolam ---maa ramanan -- MS (1938 ,, SEVASADHANAM
ஹிந்தோளம் - மாரமணன் - பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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3) chenchurutti - mannum imayamalai -MS( 1950) subramanya nbarathy- s.v.venkataraman
செஞ்சுருட்டி---மன்னும் இமயமலை
https://youtu.be/N5ejc-H09io
--------------- enathu uLLame -MS ( 1945)-p.sivan-
எனது உள்ளமே -பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjZHMTu8A3Q
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4) hamsadhwani - aruL purivaay -MS (1950)- suddhaananda barathy ( tune setter? )
அருள் புரிவாய் - ஹம்ஸதவனி -சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
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5) poorvikalyaaNi - jankkaara sruthyi - MS ( 1946) - -do-
பூர்வி கல்யாணி- ஜனக்கார சுருதி செய்குவாய்-சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
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6) ataanA - amba nee irangaayenil - MS ( pre 1947)- p.sivan
அடாணா-அம்பா நீ இரங்காயெனில்-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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7) todi - vandinam muralum solai -- MS- paasuram.
தோடி வண்டினம் முரலும் சோலை (MSS)( PRE 1949
தணிகை வளர் சரவண பவா -DKP-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/en9FZrBmjgk

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8) kedhara gowlam - saamikkki sari evare - DKP ( PRE 1950)-p.sivan
கேதார கௌள-சாமிக்கு சரி எவரே-பாபநாசம் சிவன்

9) kaambodhi - Anandha natanam AdinaaL - NCV ( PRE 1950)-
காம்போதி - ஆனந்த நடனம் ஆடினாள் -N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM -சுத்தானந்த பாரதி

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10) மோஹனம் MS- கிரிதர் கோபாலா(1945)
நாராயண திவ்ய நாமம்-MS-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
giridhara gopaalaa ( MS-1945)- s.v.venkataraman
NaaraayaNa dhivya Naamam ( MS)- p.sivan
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11) yadhukula kaambodhi - kaalaith thookki nideraadum ( MS) (VINTAGE)
காலைத் தூக்கி நின்றாடும்-யதுகுல காம்போதி-MARIMUTHA PILLAI)
https://youtu.be/3Zt9WJYdi3k
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12) sankaraabaranam - thookkiya thiruvadi ( DKP)- p.sivan
சங்கராபரணம் - தூக்கிய திருவடி துணை என (DKP)-
https://youtu.be/O2Trm7q-fdE
------- mahaalakshmi jaganmaathaa ( NCV) -PRE-1950-p.sivan
மஹாலக்ஷ்மி ஜகன்மாதா-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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13) boopaaLam - pozhuthu pullarnthathu -NCV -pre-1950
பூபாளம்-பொழுது புலர்ந்தது- NCV- BARATHY
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14) harikambodhi - vandaadum solaithanile ( MS-1944)-lyrics by kalki -i
paa maalaikkinaiyundo ( NCV-1948)-p.sivan
--ஹரிகாம்போதி வண்டாடும் சோலை தனிலே * MS)-KALKI
பாமாலைகிணையுண்டோ(NCV) பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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15) bairavi - yaaro ivar yaaro - MS ( pre 1947)-arunachalak kavi
,, DKP ( pre-1947)
பைரவி யாரோ இவர் யாரோ
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16) tilang saanthi nilava vendum - DKP ( 1948)-
திலங்-சாந்தி நிலவ வேண்டும்-DKP-SETHUMADHAVARAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbYlstnjy2M
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... ava-vendum
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17) bowLi sambo mahadeva - MS- p.sivan
பௌலி ஸம்போ மஹாதேவ- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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18) kApi poonkuyil koovidum ( DKP) ( pre 1950)- kalki
காபி-பூங்குயில் கூவிடும்-DKP
https://youtu.be/f-KkC-geGKg
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... l-koovidum
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19)maand vaanatthin meethu ( MS ) ( 1945)-vaLLalaar
மாண்d- வானத்தின் மீது -vadaloor vaLLalar
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20) shanmugapriya thanthai thaay irundhaal -NCV -
ஷண்முகப்ரியா------தந்தை தாய் இருந்தால்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7mIOTG1WYE
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21) aaberi pitthan endraalum peyan endralum ( NCV)- Andavan pichai
ஆபேரி பித்தன் என்றாலும் (n.c.vasanthakokilam)
https://youtu.be/OrSqOGYtr2k
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more to follow. These are meant to be heard. and my submission is that classics of yore should not be sung by others of later generations.



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#8 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 17 Feb 2019, 12:24

SrinathK wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 21:04
My main gripe as to why CM is not as popular as it could be is the lack of enough number of Tamizh songs to compete with the Telugu, Sanskrit and Kannada ones
KannaDa songs have not been successful in the main stage of Carnatic music. Attempts to do nambikeTTavarilavu or similar numbers as any sub or major item have flopped. It came out as an attempt to stuff trinity based viSrAnti phrases into a soft material and resulted in a stuffed paratha! It formed lumps! And syllables hung in mid-air without the ability to land gracefully or forcefully.

SrI yOga narasimhams attempts also did not bear fruit it looks like!

I am surprised you would even mention that. if tamizh was thought to be not suitable for rAgA treatment of the kutcheri variety ( as if they treated Telugu so nicely - yeah?) and they had silly debates in The Hindu in the 1950(s) , KannaDa is even more at a disadvantage with what I hear as it's case endings.

It seems then, what really is a Carnatic composition, has not really hit hard on people. If we allowed a musicologist to say Mridangam is not music, what else can we expect of ourselves.

With that blast, re-listen to the piLLayAr chuzhi song that I posted again!

In case you missed it, here we discussed the scope of a muttuttANDavar song :

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=31086&p=333627

It should be improved with avoidance of beat hugging at satguru pAdam tEDu, with a half a beat, atIta shift of that line and changing nATTamuDan as nATTattuDan as otherwise , how it is currently, results in impediments to flow of manOdharmam as happens here:

https://youtu.be/OXBn0dXzbt4?t=1508

You can hear the preceding part of that by a rewind, where you will find the verve for the line starting with nAlAm padattil not carrying over to nATTamuDan.
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#9 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 17 Feb 2019, 20:55

( in continuation of @7)
( many of the songs here are by Smt.N.C.Vaasanthakokilam. Saregama have placed more than 20 songs in public domain. And we are nearing NCV centenary . )
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22) ஹம்ஸானந்தி
அந்தநாள் இனி வருமோ என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanthakokilam/home/10
HAMSAANANDHI andha NaaL ini varumo suddhaananda baarathi
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23) வாசஸ்பதி
அந்தரங்கமெல்லாம் -என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் - பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... nkamellam-
VACHASPATHI anthrangamellaam paapanaasam sivan
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24) ஜோன்புரி ஆசை முகம் மறந்து போச்சே என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி
JONPURI ePPo varuvaaro madurai maNi Iyer gopaalakrishna barathi ----------------------------------------
எப்போ வருவாரோ மதுரை மணி அய்யர் கோபால கிருஷ்ண பாரதி
https://youtu.be/RnjRyojd-CA
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M.S.Suublakshmi around 1955)
எப்போ வருவாரோ ஸ்ரீமதி எம்.எஸ்.
https://youtu.be/Zt_YHL0071k
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Nityhiraiyil vanthu Nenjam kudikoNda N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM Suddhananda Barathy
நித்திரையில் வந்து நெஞ்சம் குடி கொண்ட வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... tu-jonpuri
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25) BEEMPLAAS- kanthan karuNai puriyum vadivel
பீம்ப் ளாஸ்
கந்தன் கருணை புரியும் வடிவேல்- மதுரை மணி அய்யர் - 'குகன்
https://youtu.be/jvsI7B-8tjQ
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veLLaith thaamaraip poovil iruppaaL..SUBRAMANYA bARATHI
வெள்ளைத் தாமரை பூவில் இருப்பாள் மதுரை மணி அய்யர் சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி
https://youtu.be/aqAnvHlxIYU
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26) BEHAG பெஹாக்
சுகுமாரா ( 1940) Smt. MS (SAKUNTHALAI) துறையூர் ராஜகோபால சர்மா
https://youtu.be/brf1UZ3bR7g
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அரங்கா உன் மகிமையை Smt.MS கல்கி (1945) எஸ்.வி.வெங்கட்ராமன்
https://youtu.be/l_8NnMrw_fc
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27) SINDHU BAIRAVI aanandham en solvene SAKUNTHALI 1940
ஸிந்து பைரவி Smt.MS ஆனந்தம் என் சொல்வேன் (1940)
https://youtu.be/MpaGxpYoZ6o
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CHANDRASEKARA EESAA ALATHOOR PAAPANASAM SIVAN
சந்திரசேகர ஈஸா - ஆலத்தூர்- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/FbBkQRHoo_E
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28) PARAJ maravene eNNaalilume 1945 KALKI
பரஜ் மறவேனே எந்நாளிலுமே (1945) கல்கி- எஸ்.வி.வெங்கட்ராமன்
https://youtu.be/S7eVjyEp9Q4
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29)NADHANAAMAKRIYA
நாத நாமக்ரியை Smt.MS ஆரார் ஆசைப்படார் ( aaraar aasaippadaar )
https://youtu.be/qhamgpy-5zE
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மனம் குளிர உள்ளம் குளிர Smt.MS (1940) சகுந்தலை
https://youtu.be/O_Eg4h4OXiQ
( nice song for environment activists)
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30) NAVROJ நவ்ரோஜ் எங்கும் நிறை நாதபிரம்மம்)1940) சகுந்தலை
பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/aNcfPoTj1wQ
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Planning to cover 100 ragams for beginners
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#10 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 18 Feb 2019, 09:24

please add the following to kambodhi song. (item 9) @7
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kambodhi---viruttham- by GNB in Sakunthalai ( 1940) -solo.
https://youtu.be/fgMVmJvMiQw
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and thanks to Arasi madam for the encouragement
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please read பௌளி in the first list... ( neelakanta sivan----song)
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#11 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 18 Feb 2019, 20:43

(continuing from @9)
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31) RATHIPATHIPRIYA...... JAGATHJANANI -MM.DANDAPANI DESIKAR
ரதிபதிப்ரியா....... ஜகத்ஜனனி .. தண்டபாணி தேசிகர்.. கானம் கிருஷ்ண ஐயர்
https://youtu.be/xVv9gN0ABsw
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32) MUKARI - SIVAKAAMA SUNDARI - D.K.PATTAMMAL-PAPANASAM SIVAN
முகாரி சிவகாம சுந்தரி டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் ,- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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33) MANIRANGU N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM KADALIL
மணிரங்கு--கடலில் அமிழ்ந்திடுவோம்-என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்-பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... -maniranku
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34)NAVARASAKANADA- d.k.pattammal- Naan oru viLaiyaattu- (paapanaasam sivan)
நவரஸ கானடா- நான் ஒரு விளையாட்டு- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் ,- பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/k3T5YKSkh1I
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35) MAYAMALAVAGOULA ...SIVALOKA NAADHANAIK KANDU .. DANDAPANI DESIKAR--P.SIVAN
மாயாமாளவகௌள-சிவலோக நாதனைக் கண்டு-தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் (1942 --நந்தனார்)
https://youtu.be/lGpKkE31rww
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36) KARNATAKA DEVAGANDHARI-EPPADIPPADINARO- D.K.PATTAMMAL-SUDDHANANDA BARATHY
கர்நாடக தேவகாந்தாரி..எப்படிப் பாடினரோ .. டி கே பட்டம்மாள்-சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
https://youtu.be/54yIqReUGl4 (with lyrics)
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37) VARAALI-KA VA VA (MUST LISTEN). MADURAI MANI IYER-paapanaasam sivan
வராளி..கா வா வா கந்தா வா...மதுரை மணி அய்யர்
https://youtu.be/-mUlvpb6438 ( with lyrics)
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38)BILAHARI..'KATHIRAVAN UDHAYAM KANDU'- N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM
பிலஹரி.....கதிரவன் உதயம் கண்டு..என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் ( 1945- ஹரிதாஸ்)
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... ritas-film ( download and play in vlc)
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39) KAMAAJ- 'MARAINTHA KOONDIL IRUNTHU- 1945-
கமாஜ் மறைந்த கூண்டில் இருந்து எம்.எஸ். 1945 (மீரா)
https://youtu.be/XZODgzoQVrE ( SAREGAMA)
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40)MANJI -- VARUKALAAMO - M.M.DANDAPANI DESIKAR-PAPANASAM SIVAN
மான்ஜி - வருகலாமோ - தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் (1942 --நந்தனார்)
https://youtu.be/urcPeMDyxmo
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#12 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 19 Feb 2019, 14:19

adding a few more..
BAIRAVI- DKPATTAMMAAL ( SUBRAMANYA BARATHI)
தொன்று நிகழ்ந்ததனைத்தும் thondru nikazhnthathu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpSsxYj9dwo
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ragam-?
ENTHAIYUM THAAYUM MAKIZHNTHU -D.K.PATTAMMAL- SUBRAMANYA BARATHY
எந்தையும் தாயும் மகிழ்ந்து குலாவி -
https://youtu.be/bXMaYZ6HioE
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#13 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 19 Feb 2019, 21:18

41) DHANYASI 'kalai vaaNi aruL PURIVAAl' - N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM
தன்யாசி ' கலைவாணி அருள் புரிவாள் ' என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju1AQcSXg0g
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42) DESH 'paattukkoru pulavan baarathiyada ' DANDAPANI DESIKAR
தேஷ் ---பாட்டுக்கொரு புலவன் பாரதியடா
தண்டபாணி தேசிகர்- கவிமணி தேசிக விநாயகம் பிள்ளை
https://youtu.be/70_DxxsWL6A
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தேஷ்
senthamizh osai - n.c.vasanthakokilam-- periyasami thooran- music by c.r.subbaraman
https://youtu.be/rhzN3gCZGUs
தேஷ்- 'செந்தமிழ் ஓசை ' N.C. வசந்தகோகிலம்-பெரியசாமி தூரன்
https://youtu.be/rhzN3gCZGUs

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43) BAGESREE SOOLAMAGALAM SISTERS
பாகேஸ்ரீ -கந்தன் திருநீரணிந்தால் - சூலமங்கலம் சகோதரிகள்
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44) GOPIKA THILAKAM aasai konden vande N.C.Vsanthakokilam- Suddhananda barathy
கோபிகாதிலகம்
ஆசை கொண்டேன் வண்டே என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zO9kNmlv_I
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45)SURUTTI - thillai sthalam - N.C.Vasanthakokilam
சுருட்டி தில்லை ஸ்தலம் - என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://youtu.be/CXquX4g9YeI ( IS THIS BY GOPALAKRISHNA BARATHY?)
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46) சுத்த தன்யாசி - 'கண்ணா வா மணி வண்ணா வா - என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
https://youtu.be/-8-q_ZfwTqI
suddha dhanyaasi - kaNNaa vaa maNivanna vaa -n.c.vasanthakokilam
upload by vetran sapthagireesan
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47) பந்துவராளி 'தேவியைப் பூஜை செய்வாயாய் 1941
எம்.எஸ்.சுப்புலக்ஷ்மி - ( சாவித்ரி -எம்.எஸ். நாரதர் )
panthuvaraaLi- 'deviyaip poojai seyvaay' Smt.MS.Subbulakshmi ( as Naradhar) 1941)
https://youtu.be/9NDzI1QDG5Y
( upload by veteran Saptha gireesan)
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48) சஹானா --' வருவானோ வனக்குயிலே' -என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம் -சுத்தானந்த பாரதி
SAHANA - 'varuvaano vanak kuyile'- n.c.vasanthakokilam - lyrics by Suddhanada barathy
https://youtu.be/I7hzBhK0KYU
( saregama donated)

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49) மோஹன கல்யாணி ' 'இனியாகிலும் மனமே '--- என்.சி.வசந்தகோகிலம்
mohana kalyaaNi- "iniyaakilum maname' - N.C.Vsanthakokilam
https://youtu.be/I2SQgFom49E ( upload by Raju Asokan)
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50) ஸ்ரீரஞ்சனி காண வேண்டாமோ
எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் ( நந்தனார்-1942)
பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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https://youtu.be/jcDVrX0g8t4

sreeranjani -- 'kaaNa vendaamo' - M.M.Dandapani Desikar -lyrics by Papanasam Sivan 1942
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#14 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 20 Feb 2019, 12:35

in continuation of songs for jonpuri---the ever-green 'eppo varuvaaro' ...here is a slightly ( very slightly ) modified version rendered by N.C.VASANTHAKOKIOLAM.
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http://www.tfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.p ... epponcv.rm
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and some descriptions.
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"eppO varuvaarO..’ from vENugaanam. Sung by N.C.Vasantakokilam.
Gopalakrishna Bharathi’s original lines suitably altered by Kambadasan, and set to music by Govindarajulu Naidu.

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vENugaanam (1941/ Jewel Pictures) was scripted by the legendary K.Ramnoth. Dialogues were written by Ki.Ra. The film was directed by the famed Murugadasa, who had earlier directed films like sundaramoorthi naayanaar (1937). The film starred N.C.Vasantakokilam, V.V.Sadagopan, K.Sarangapani, G.Sakuntala and others.

The film was based on the story of princess Mitravinda, who hears of the wonderful deeds of Lord Krishna and pines for his love. Her determination sees her through seemingly insurmountable hurdles, and she finally marries the Lord.

(source: http://tfmpage.com/forum/23721.20880.03.21.22.html)
I believe the film was a great success, the wonderful songs rendered by Vasantakokilam and Sadagopan acting as bewitching catalysts in drawing the crowds to the movie halls.

Viravanalloor Vedantham Sadagopan was a gifted singing star who glittered for a brief while in the late 30s and early 40s. All the songs were written by Kambadasan. Over the years I managed to collect the following songs from the film, but I guess there would be some more songs in the album. ‘yEzhai chelvan jaadhi bEdham’ (VVS),
‘inbam inbam jagamengum inbam’ (NCV),
‘puNNiya dhinamindRE srikaNNan piRandha puNNiya dhinam’ (NCV),
‘seyal purindhidavENdum’ ( VVS, set in Reethigowlai!),
‘vindhai maandhar seyalE’ (VVS)
are all vintage treasures, soaked deep in the pristine classical heritage of early tfm.
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#15 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by CRama » 20 Feb 2019, 14:15

RSR, I have never herd the songs from the film Venuganam. Can you please upload the above songs by NCV and VVS.
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#16 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by CRama » 20 Feb 2019, 14:16

RSR, Thanks for your painstaking efforts in listing the tamil songs.
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#17 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 20 Feb 2019, 18:54

CRama wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 14:16
RSR, Thanks for your painstaking efforts in listing the tamil songs.
Respected Sir, Thank you.
I will try to upload / or give link, to 'venuganam film songs' by NCV / VV Sdagopan shortly.
Dr.Pasupathy , in this forum, may have many songs by VVSdagopan in his collection.
(pasupathivukaL).
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#18 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 20 Feb 2019, 22:11

continuing from @13
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51) kalYaNI----'kaNNane en kaNavan'....G.N.BALASUBRAMANYAM -78 RPM
கல்யாணி ......கண்ணனே என் கணவன் ----ஜி.என்.பாலசுப்ரமணியம்
https://youtu.be/K8QGj7e5S4c
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52) keeravaaNi - 'Devi neeye thunai '- Smt.MS.Subbulakshmi- Paapanaasam Sivan
கீரவாணி ----'தேவி நீயே துணை '- ஸ்ரீமதி எம்.எஸ்.--பாபநாசம் சிவன்
https://youtu.be/hkNujASrFpM
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53) Nattaikkurinji - 'kavalaiyaith theerppathu Naattiyak kalaiye'- MKT Bgavathar- P.SIVAN
‘Kavalayai Theerpadhu’ from Sivakavi is one of the finest pieces in Natakurinji. Papanasam Sivan scored the music and penned the lyrics. G. Ramanathan, took care of the orchestration.
நாட்டைக்குறிஞ்சி ..கவலையைத் தீர்ப்பது நாட்டிக் கலையே....எம் .கே டி பாகவதர் ( சிவகவி) பாபநாசம் சிவன்
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54)
maname gaNamum maravaathe - Smt.MS ( as Naradhar -Film Savithri) 1941
Music:Thuraiyur Rajagopala Sarma & Kamaldas Gupta.
https://youtu.be/RuPsAGer9V0
மனமே கணமும் மறவாதே .....ஸ்ரீமதி. எம்.எஸ். ( நாரதராக -) ( 1941-saavithri film )
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deviyaip poojai seyvaay - Smt.MS- ( as Naradahar) (1941-savithri film)
தேவியைப் பூஜை செய்வாய் ஸ்ரீமதி எம்.எஸ் (1941)
https://youtu.be/0l2d9jPJ024
( upload by APKN Sapthagireesan)
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56)AABOGI- 'sabaapathikku veru deyvam '- Smt.MS- Gopala krishna Barathy

ஆபோகி - 'சபாபதிக்கு வேறு தெய்வம் ' --ஸ்ரீமதி. எம்.எஸ். --கோபாலகிருஷ்ண பாரதி
https://youtu.be/oEQ_TPyU2Pg
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#19 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 21 Feb 2019, 22:37

CRama wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 14:15
RSR, I have never herd the songs from the film Venuganam. Can you please upload the above songs by NCV and VVS.
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Respected Sir,
Three songs by Sri.V.V.Sdagopan and two by NCV are available in toorrent download.
(old tfmpage). It needs caution , as the login is not streamlined.
I will try to download and place them in web , soon.
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You will be interested in an upload by Raju Asokan of a few of the 78 rpm records of VVSadagopan.

http://tfmpage.com/forum/23721.20880.03.21.22.html
dhool write up on ncv and vv sadagopan

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vv sadagopan songs
78 rpm
raju asokan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFoSr82jk7Q
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https://youtu.be/1cyGitXZaNk
v.v.sadagopan-villinai -barathy-kavadichindhu-
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Can you please download the music part and split them and give ragam info.
Raju Asokan himself has mentioned the sequence of songs but I need ragam info.

Best Regards.
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#20 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 22 Feb 2019, 11:08

So many tamizh songs! Haven't heard much of any of it growing up! By 80(s) only stories. In that paTTimanRam (link below!) Ghatam Karthik lists all the songs - cinnanciru pEN pOLE, enna kavi pADinAlum, marudamalai etc. All bhakti based! Those were still being heard in blasting street speakers and temple audio!

And he is right. GNB meant only rAdha samEDa - that too only hearsay from Grandmas! Nobody was playing these.

But others?? Here the judge explains what became of such music: https://youtu.be/ZXndbZ60bfQ?t=1781 .

rAgAm is there. But I would have never thought that these had anything to do with Carnatic. Just the background music is a deal breaker! That puts it in a diff genre. In fact some of us hated the background music filled recordings by various Carnatic artistes of the YACM era.

If these songs are Carnatic, then we must declare that music a roaring success! The term golden era of music assumes a different meaning altogether :lol:

Even coming to the U.S, I discover a old TNS recording, actually in the flight itself - with CS MurugabhUpathy! His student was travelling for the same assignment. As soon as I land Ramnad Krishnan. Nobody was talking about these oldie tamizh songs anymore. These 78 RPM(s) are some private collectors things.

Only reason I can think of. Carnatic music has SAStra and some science backing it. Even if it is deviating from the same!

It looks like sometimes when you are in the middle rungs of an organization, they say you have to manage upwards as well as downwards. Same way, I guess I have to teach some of these oldsters what real Carnatic music is , while at the same time talking down to the millennials :evil: :lol:
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#21 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 22 Feb 2019, 12:38

(continued from @18)
the ragam for 'maname ganamum' is aaberi
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57) குந்தல வராளி -'மாலே மணி வண்ணா - மதுரை மணி ஐயர்-( திருப்பாவை )
https://youtu.be/uRniCt-2dQI
KUNTHALAVARAALI-MADURAI MANI IYER-MAALE MANI VANNAA -(thiruppaavai)
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58) ஸு த்த சாவேரி---'தாயே திரிபுர சுந்தரி- டி கே பட்டம்மாள் -பெரியசாமி தூரன்
https://youtu.be/KcJdnV15tJc
suddha saaveri- 'thaaye thripura sundari'- d.k.pattammaL- (PERIYASAMI THOORAN)
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59) அசாவேரி ---' சரணம் சரணம் '- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் -(அருணாச்சலக் கவிராயர்)
https://youtu.be/WC5BqiVwvWo
asaaveri- 'saranam saranam' - d.k.pattammal- ( aruNachalak kaviraayar)
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60) சுருட்டி ' காண வேண்டும் லட்சம் கண்கள் '- வி.வி.சடகோபன்-(அருணாசல கவிராயர்)
https://youtu.be/qjcNKyyZjdI
churutti- 'kaaNa veNdum laksham kaNkaL'- v,v.sadagopan- aruNachalak kaviraayar
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#22 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by SrinathK » 22 Feb 2019, 18:19

@RSR , which of your rAgA identification queries have gone unanswered? I will search your history and find out. This compilation of yours is amazing. Please keep it up.

You may link to modern artistes from appropriate commercial YT channels if you wish.

Sometime back I had made a thread of ragas of tiruppAvai and tiruvempAvai in the rAgAs section. That also would be very useful.
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#23 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by ajaysimha » 22 Feb 2019, 18:25

Thought of adding some of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions.
anybody interested ?

and RSR sir, very nice compilation of ragams and songs.
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#24 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 22 Feb 2019, 20:28

Continued from #21 ;) :

Even in the IIT hostel late 80s/early 90s, there was one room that was still playing evari mATTA with kambodhi Alapana of IyenArvAL (Ariyakudi), with PMI or PSP as accompaniment. And I got to discover , as of yet , undiscovered instrument called gOTTUvAdyam.

The probability of finding such things in that hostel was still negligibly positive :shock: :lol: . Like finding an electron here at the other end of the cosmos! :lol:

But the probablity of anybody playing any of these tamizh movie old timers was zero to zilch! There was rock/pop/Mohmd Rafi/Lata/Kishore Kumar/Jagjit Singh!

Even the tamizhans were not hearing these tamizh songs. They may be hearing one of these above Hindi artistes or what was current then.

SAstram and angvastram ( or what they call as angOstaram in tamizh! :D ) did the tricks I guess. :lol:
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#25 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by SrinathK » 22 Feb 2019, 22:15

ajaysimha wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 18:25
Thought of adding some of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions.
anybody interested ?

and RSR sir, very nice compilation of ragams and songs.
Why not? Not just him, any tamizh CM composer. Even thirukkuraL has found it's way to CM now.

The difference between this particular thread and the vidwans / vaggeyakaras thread was that the mods only want a song or two per post there because that allows for listening, discussion and a thread to develop and these are the threads that get the maximum views and posts in the long run.

This one however is purely a compilation thread. So let 'em rain...
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