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#26 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 22 Feb 2019, 22:28

continued from @21
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61) பவானி - ' உன்னையின்றி' - எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி-( பாடலாசிரியர்- எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் )
https://soundcloud.com/user461654480/un ... esigar-mlv
M L Vasanthakumari sings M M Dandapani Desigar's composition Unnai Yandri in raga Bhavani set to Rupaka talam.-
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62) கானடா 'அலை பாயுதே கண்ணா ' மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம்
( ஊத்துக்காடு வேங்கட கவி)
https://youtu.be/KKAVDdL3E_I
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kaanadaa - 'alai payuthe kaNNaa'- Maharajapuram Santhanam - OOTTHUKKADU VENKATA KAVI
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63) நாட்டைக்குறிஞ்சி --'பால் வடியும்' -மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம்-(ஊத்துக்காடு வேங்கட கவி)
https://youtu.be/Zh43DFtbFhs ( donated by saregama)
Naattaikkurinji- 'paal vadiyum'- Maharajapuram Santhanam - OOTTHUKKADU VENKATA KAVI
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64) நீலாம்பரி (?) '' கண்ணே கமலப் பூ '- எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி- thaalaattup paadalkal -lullabies ( the ragam has to be ascertained correctly..need help)
https://youtu.be/F1LUoeNkZFk
Neelaambari(?)- 'kaNNe kamalappoo'- M.L.Vaasantha kumari
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65) ' காதார் குழை ஆட ' எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி ( திருவெம்பாவை) ( aaberi?)
https://youtu.be/qdV4iIF5XQ8
'aaberi(?) 'kaadhaar kuzhi aada ' - M.L.Vasanthakumari - ( Thiruvempaavai)
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66) ரீதிகௌளை-பேரானந்தம் காண்-முசிறி சுப்பிரமணிய அய்யர்-(துக்காராம் -1938)
Tukaram 1938 Peraanandam Kaan Musiri Subramania Iyer -(paapanaasam sivan)
https://youtu.be/WL3bcRHLHCA
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67) கீரவாணி- இன்னமும் ஸந்தேஹப் படலாமோ--சாத்தூர் சுப்பிரமணிய ஐயர்
https://youtu.be/KjwFDX8R1MY
keeravaaNi - 'innamum sandhehap padalaamo? -SATTHOOR SUBRAMANYA IYER
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68) பேகடா--சிதம்பரம் ஹரஹரா என்றுஒருதரம்-ஜி.என்.பாலசுப்ரமணியம்
https://youtu.be/AArbHGqEsUc
begadaa- 'hara hara endru ' - G.N.B-
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68)காம்போதி-'திருவடி சரணம்'-செம்மங்குடி ஸ்ரீனிவாச ஐயர்-GOPALAKRISHNA BARATHY
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69) பிலஹரி( already done)-ஜய விட்டல-முசிறி சுப்பிரமணிய ஐயர் ("துக்காராம்)-1938
bilahari- jaya vittala- MUSIRI- film Tujkaram- 1938
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70)ஹேமவதி-'என்னைக் காத்தருள்'-மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம்
hemavathi- 'ennaik kAttharuL'- MAHARAJAPURAM SANTHANAM ( available in web)
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#27 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 22 Feb 2019, 23:13

To Sri.Ajay, SrinathK, shankaranK
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Sri.Ajay-> Thank you very much.
SrinathK-> Thank you for the encouragement.
shankaranK-> Understandable.
I belong to 1945-> 1965 generation and you are from 1965-> generation.
You may notice that , I am consciously choosing only such songs and vocalists prior to 1955
( maharajapuram santhanam is an exception ).. Actually, I am out of touch with all renderings after 1965-> even of my icons like MS and DKP.
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Actually, art of communication, needs Five instead of Three modes.
1) to a fresher/ general public (2) to junior colleague (3) to co-worker (4) to team leader/ project manager (5) to the CEO.
To a junior colleague, just some technical details with a sprinkling of technical terms.
To the project manager, we avoid explaining technical details but substitute the appropriate jargon, which they can easily follow.
But when the CEO drops in casually in workspot and chats with the worker as to what he is doing, it is best to give what they call 'executive summary!". almost like what we would have told the general public. !
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Here we go in a tangent, as is our wont! Pardon.
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The language used when talking to fresher and CEO may have to be same. ( avoiding jargon and making things short and simple).

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1965 was a watershed. All the stars in the CM world were either leaving us or were very much past their prime and creativity.
and Thank you for your permission to keep the posts going forward till the target- 100 ragams are reached. Why not help me?
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Some clarifications
1) The main purpose of my posts in this particular thread, is to provide what I feel are the best renditions ( short and sweet) of a song in particular commonly knowmn ragam. ( the target is 100 ragams ). So, it is not from song to ragam but ragam-> song... It is purely meant for absolute beginners. When they meet the name of a ragam, they should think of the corresponding song. mentioned here. If so, the purpose is served.
2) I am not discussing the lyrics at all though I am very particular that the lyrics are from famous and erudite poets and scholars. in chaste and lovely language.
3) The songs should have been written in tamizh language. and should not be from any film
( NCV songs ( a few) , Dandapani Desikar songs from Nandanaar, MS songs from her classic films are exceptions as they are all pre-1950 and are by no means to be dismissed as 'mere film songs.' ). and are of undoubted exceptional quality. ( lyrics by papanasam sivan, kalki, and barathi..and set to great music by people like paapanasam sivan himself, and s.v.venkataraman. )
4) The posts were prompted by SrinathK 's opening guidelines in this thread.
5) I feel no purpose is served if I just mention the ragam, song, and singer. The rasika needs a link ( legal at that) to listen to. . So, it takes time.to search and find.
6) All the rasikas are requested to post a few ragams not covered by me so far.
This is an attempt to bring back the songs of 78 rpm era ( 1935-1955). . I hope that at least a few rasikas , will cherish these songs which are nearly 60-80 years old!
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A side note. After Purandaradasa period( say 1500), there was a gap upto 1800. During this period, we had tamil poets/ composers ( arunachalak kavi , mutthu thaandavar, maarimuttha pillai, and contemporaneous with the trinity, Gopalakrishna Barathy). Ooothukkadu kavi lived during the interregnum and gave us many great songs in all genres in Sanskrit and Tamil. During the same period, we had Krishna Leela Tharangini by a t poet NARAYANA THEERTHA. who lived in kaavery delta and created many beauties. Unfortunately, they are not in tamizh.
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We can appreciate the need for this thread, if, just think of a ragam name and the corresponding krithi. Unconciously, it will be in either sanskrit or kannada or telugu. Very rarely from tamizh? Correct me if I am wrong.
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#28 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 23 Feb 2019, 09:09

Well, sufficient history has been established so that, a suruTTI now evokes vangakkaDAl kaDainda or a hamIr kalyANI - tUmaNI mADattu - former not really gItArtamu or bhajana parula and the latter not some other song like mAnamu lEdA or purahara nandana!

My posts are geared towards more general ruminations especially things like SAstras ( with that angOStram :lol: ), antiquity and such and what is their role and importance, since they have come under attack: https://youtu.be/lQdkFRUzoTU?t=876

I am using the thread's intent about songs, especially tamizh songs and how those might fit into an over all scheme!

You can keep going Sir!!
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#29 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 24 Feb 2019, 09:49

in continuation of @26
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71) பஹுதாரி--சதானந்த தாண்டவம்--மதுரை மணி அய்யர்- அச்சுத தாசர்
bahudhaari - sadaanandha thaandavam- madurai mani iyer- acchutha daasar
https://youtu.be/QqOwRH-pkg0
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72) 'ஆடிய பாதம் நின்றாடிய பாதம் '- எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் - திருவருட்பா
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-RNRgpuLPs
Adiya pAdham nindraadiya paadham - M.M.DANDAPANI DESIKAR- 'THIRUVARUTPAA'
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73) வந்தனதாரிணி - 'மனமே உனக்கு இதமாய - எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் -
https://youtu.be/ekoHDrBike8
vandhana dhaariNi- 'maname unakku idhamaay'- MM DandapanNi desikar. (saregama)
(Lakshman_ji has provided transcription in that link).
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#30 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 24 Feb 2019, 21:18

Good one. Just look ( not just hear!) at the kARvai in tANDavam. Floorer!

Here is DKJ in a national program yadukulakAmbodhi (யதுகுலகாம்போதி) - kumaran tAzh paNindE tudi:

https://youtu.be/idpkX-cKy-o?t=1512

Full of atItams! Start of the song is itself atItam.
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#31 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 24 Feb 2019, 22:48

shankarank wrote:
24 Feb 2019, 21:18
Good one. Just look ( not just hear!) at the kARvai in tANDavam. Floorer!

Here is DKJ in a national program yadukulakAmbodhi (யதுகுலகாம்போதி) - kumaran tAzh paNindE tudi:
https://youtu.be/idpkX-cKy-o?t=1512
Full of atItams! Start of the song is itself atItam.
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Yes Sir. Distracting. May I know the ragam of MMDD thiruvarutpaa? (item 72) added just now.
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#32 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 25 Feb 2019, 08:47

#29 -> item 72 It is SencuruTTi ! Lightened here and there!

Reminded me of a BhArathiAr song of Sanjay @Cleveland 2002,3,4 - after the concert a friend went and inquired the rAgAm. HarikAmbOdhi-light came the reply.

HarikAmbOdhi itself has it's struggles - what is this light?!

I guess rAgAs (tunes) are getting cloud ready and then AI - ready. It will be like how languages got into dictionaries. :P
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#33 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 25 Feb 2019, 13:31

74) ஹம்சநாதம் -'பாட வேன்டுமே '- எம்.எம்.தண்டபாணி தேசிகர் -( இயற்றியவரும் அவரே)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX6sdPee0A0
hamsanaadham- 'paada veNdeme'- by MMDanapaNi desikar- his own composition -lyrics and music
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75) சாருகேசி -- ' இன்னும் என் மனம் '- மகாராஜபுரம் சந்தானம் - (வர்ணம்) இயற்றியவர் - லால்குடி ஜெயராமன்
https://youtu.be/MU0cOUvWKD4
Maharajapuram Santhanam-Innum en manam-Charukesi-Varnam-Lalgudi Jayaraman
upload by shankar rajasekaran
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76) ) ராகம் ஸரஸ்வதி ---'தேவாதி தேவா '- சித்தூர் சுப்பிரமணிய பிள்ளை
இயற்றியவர் மாயூரம் munsif வேதநாயகம் பிள்ளை
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http://www.sangeethamshare.org/svasu/UP ... -0401-0600
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Ragam- Saraswathi- 'devaadhi devaa'- Chitthoor Subramanya Pillai -
composer- munsif Vedanayakam Pillai
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77) ஹமீர்கல்யாணி - 'தூமணிமாடத்து சுற்றும'- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் - ( திருப்பாவை)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlzrFOwmD-Q
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hameerKalyani- 'thoomaNi maadatthu - D.K.PattammaL- THIRUPPAVAI
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78) சக்ரவாகம்- 'அறிவுடையோர்- சித்தூர் சுப்பிரமணிய பிள்ளை
https://youtu.be/NXMqu3WbxcU
CHAKRAVAAHAM - 'ARIVUDAIYOR' - CHITTHOOR SUBRAMANYA PILLAI -
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79) ஆரபி - 'ஓங்கி உலகளந்த உத்தமன் ' -' அரியக்குடி ராமானுஜம் அய்யங்கார்
திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/ECx1UaamrNk
AARABHI- ONGI ulakaLanth utthaman per paadi'- Ariyakkudi Ramanuja Iyengar- Thiruppaavai
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80) ஆந்தோளிகா - 'சேவிக்க வேண்டும் ஐயா '- ஜி.என்.பாலசுப்ரமணியம் -(முத்து தாண்டவர்)
https://youtu.be/s22lumwoQVE
aandolikaa- 'sevikka veNdum aiya' - G.N.BALASUBRAMANYAM - (MUTTHU THANDAVAR)
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#34 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 27 Feb 2019, 21:34

Sharing the link to a very nice article by Gowry Ramnarayan about Smt.MS and Tamil Isai movement in pre-independence years. Contains some rare information. A PDF.

https://dhvaniohio.org/wp-content/uploa ... arayan.pdf
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#35 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 28 Feb 2019, 09:49

RSR wrote:
25 Feb 2019, 13:31
77) ஹமீர்கல்யாணி - 'தூமணிமாடத்து சுற்றும'- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் - ( திருப்பாவை)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlzrFOwmD-Q
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hameerKalyani- 'thoomaNi maadatthu - D.K.PattammaL- THIRUPPAVAI
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That was a beautiful rendition the way they try to negotiate the kARvais. Especially the line mAmAn magaLE maNi<<:corrected:>>.. they ( and ARI originally!) must have been thinking of how maNi(<<:Corrected;>>) maNTapa was handled by SubbarAya SAStri.

Later renditions of the YACM era have paused for too long in magaLE and did an uppuma or masiyal with maNik<<:corrected:>> kadavam tAL<<:corrected:>> tiravai. "ham kO man ki Sakti dEnA" to sun kaRnakEliyE!! :lol: Stampede of syllables in front of the opening door!

With the ARI rendition ( DKP/DKJ also follow that although it is less prominent!) , the atItam on ezhu | ppIrO and later on navin | DRElO , and the subsequent tumbling of 3s in is like somebody taNNi teliccufying ( sprinkling water to get her up!) and somebody pUmArip pozhinjufying along with nAmam reciting ( showering of flowers) what with PMI taking the cue and highlighting it!

But as always there are questions. To answer the MS article by Gowri on tamizh compositions, and panoramic classicism etc., this perfectly fits a miSra cApu with 4 offset eDuppu just like few other tiruppAvAis. There is some association between 7 and Women - 7 Sisters , sapta kanyAs.

We will pick this one up again in kriyas/angas/lyrical/structure thread!
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#36 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 28 Feb 2019, 11:36

MS knew of Subramania Bharati’s warning that singing
exclusively in a language that the listener did not understand
would make Carnatic music lose ground in Tamil Nadu. She
often heard Rasikamani T.K. Chidambaranatha Mudaliar
insist that sahitya bhava was indispensable to the kriti, and
that neither singer nor listener could experience rasa without
understanding the lyric – “Porul terindu paaduvad
If it is that telugu is suitable for panoramic classicism, then Annamacarya should be center stage, by now!! If it is just about Kannada the "language" as "languages" go nowadays, then PurandaradAsa should be center stage. If it is tamizh the "language" Bharathi and other puratchi kavinjars (revolutionary poets) would be center stage! And Malayalam is nowhere to be seen!

If it is Sanskrit , every Sloka of yore can be dwelt with panoramic classical rendition. dIkshitar's dvitiyAkshara prAsam is a drAviDa (southern origin!) as old Sanskrit works do not conform!

I appreciate their way of expression as opinion leaders on the forefront , but I cannot agree to "without understanding the lyric" caveat. I can agree with "this is my mother tongue" affiliation - but not the "understanding" part. "Understanding " takes us to metaphysical realms!

Meaning and making sense of things as taught in secular modern education cannot be factored into this (Soon with AI, Math is the perfect language with infinite number of axioms!).

It has to be a vidvat sadas or an upanyAsaka with paramparic knowledge who should interpret, then I will consider meaning! For those who are still at it, I will default down to language as letters, starting with vaRNa , mAtra and chandas. There has to be a shared sense of beauty across generations and this is the only formulation that achieves that! It can evolve, but adds, not deletes or purges!

Letters were initially pictorial - and had a shape - hence may have been be connoted with color. vaRNa also means beauty, shape.

mAtRgAvaRNa rUpiNI goes one of the nAmAs.

The singing the praise of tamizh tai - was instituted by the Atheist government with atheists outside the government ridiculing it, as foolishness in instituting a new "God" in the form of language. At the end the atheists in the government agreed, but said they have to bow to the need of respecting the "uNaRvu" feelings of people!
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#37 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 28 Feb 2019, 15:58

I liked the line by TKC(?) ".. 'Porul terindu paaduvadu bhava sangeetam,
( singing with understanding of meaning, is 'bhaava sangeetham)
matradellam ayyo paavam sangeetam'"-( all else, 'pitiable' sangeetham)
The way in which he says it, though, I do not agree with his opinion.
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Back to my pet assertion ( and your pet aversion)...' lyrics are just a coat hanger for ragam'
and if so, the language of the krithi is immaterial. Nevertheless, when a musician sings a krithi, can he make grammar blunders? Absolutely no.
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'mAmAN' ..in current tamil usage, is mAman only. ( wrong?). and is it not ' maNik kathavam '?
maNikkathavam thAL ( or thAzh?). ( not mANikkathavam)....
Even if the krithi is in Tamizh, there is no certainty that the listeners understand the meaning.
That is why, maximum care has to be given in the choice of the song and singer.
If mother-tongue tamil itself suffers so much, how about lyrics in the other languages like Telugu, Kannada and Sanskrit? MalayaLam is just sanskrit!
Yet, when the theme, poetic quality of the song, setting it to sweet tune, orchestration, and glorious singing all merge, as in Smt.MS ( 'vadavaraiyai matthaakki') ragamalika,
( Ilango AdikaL SILAPPATHIKAARAM, Aychiyar kuravai, tuning and orchestration by S.V.Venkataraman, and singing by Smt.MS) (https//sites.google.com/site)+
homage2mssubbulakshmi/home/37-vadavaraiyai-matthaakki ,
I cannot but be thankful for being fortunate to listen to it.
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#38 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 28 Feb 2019, 20:45

Yes sir, transliteration is hard and I over-capitalize sometimes ;)
RSR wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 15:58
'mAmAN' ..in current tamil usage, is mAman only. ( wrong?). and is it not ' maNik kathavam '?
I suppose this is the ARSha prayOga in tamizh - like SIksha( Seeksha) instead of Siksha. But may be a valid word also.

https://agarathi.com/word/%E0%AE%AE%E0% ... 9%E0%AF%8D

I am doing what I am not supposed to do!!

Also if you meant kathavam vs kadavam, the pronunciation is soft da, not ta, tamizh supports this naturally , but did not have a distinct phonetic representation.
RSR wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 15:58
Back to my pet assertion ( and your pet aversion)...' lyrics are just a coat hanger for ragam'
and if so, the language of the krithi is immaterial. Nevertheless, when a musician sings a krithi, can he make grammar blunders? Absolutely no.
Now, are we talking as the country where Eka santa grAhis lived?? A vidvAn who went from Andhra into the court of Shah Jahan, to whom he narrated verbatim a Urdu conversation exactly as heard, without knowing the grammar or the language?


Once SrI praNatARtiharan , the sanskrit professor in American college, Madurai during his discourse on SivAnandalahari in our local temple, was peeved that youngsters prepare for all kinds of entrance exams, but don't study the meaning of mantras. He, for a moment became unaware of the grandeur of his seat as an upanyAsakA and became just another professor, if you know what I mean!

Language of the kriti irrelevant?? The unified metaphysics underlying all Indian languages is still relevant! In that realm we should not be seeing them as different languages!

Don't you belong to a generation who mugged multiplication tables by rote, some times musically? ;)
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#39 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 01 Mar 2019, 11:57

The tuning of tUmaNi mADattu, it should be noted, utilizes svarAkshara in all its beginning lines where there are two mA syllables - more aptly gamakAksharas , as it is ma(m1)-ga-pa-ma(m2).
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#40 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 01 Mar 2019, 12:51

(continued from @33)
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81) மத்யமாவதி -'கற்பகமே ' - மதுரை மணி அய்யர்-(பாபநாசம் சிவன்)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyETG0gxCt0
madhyamaavathi -'karpagame'-madurai mani iyer-(papanaasam sivan)

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82) ஸ்ரீ ராகம்- (?)- 'சுரா சுரர் பணி பாதா '-( ஜனார்தனா) எம்.எஸ்.சுப்புலக்ஷ்மி
( 1945- மீரா )..( 'பாபநாசம் சிவன் )
https://youtu.be/uqz4Jb3KyOg
sri raagam - 'sura surar paNi paadaa'- ('janaardhanaa) Smt.MS -( Meera-1945)
( papanasam sivan)
( similar to 'naama kusuma ' -thyagaraja swami krithi- aalatthoor-) ( i may be wrong1-RSR)
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83) ஜகன்மோஹினி -' சிவகாம சுந்தரி' - ஸ்ரீமதி. மணி க்ருஷ்ண சாமி-கோபால க்ருஷ்ண பாரதி
https://youtu.be/890EVD6BkC4
jaganmohini ragam- 'sivakaama sunndhari'- Smt.MaNi Krshnaswamy - (Gopala krishna Bararathy)
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84) அசாவேரி - 'சரணம் சரணம் '- டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள் -அருணாசலக் கவி
https://youtu.be/WC5BqiVwvWo
asaaveri ragam - 'saranam saranam '- D.K.PattammaL- ( aruNaachalak kavi)
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85) சுத்த சாவேரி - 'தாயே திரிபுர சுந்தரி' -டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள்-பெரியசாமி தூரன்
https://youtu.be/KcJdnV15tJc
suddha saaveri- 'thaaye thripura sundhari' - D.K.PattammaaL- ( Peryasami Thooran)
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86) காவடிச் சிந்து - 'வில்லினையொத்த புருவம் '- வி .வி .சடகோபன்-SUBRAMANYA BARATHI
https://youtu.be/1cyGitXZaNk
kaavadich chinthu' (genre)- 'villinaiyottha puruvam' - V.V.Sadagopan -Subramanya Barathy
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#41 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 01 Mar 2019, 14:09

shankarank wrote:
01 Mar 2019, 11:57
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Don't you belong to a generation who mugged multiplication tables by rote, some times musically?
( a generation, 'which' rather than /who')
Yes.Sir. Wherever possible.
That was 'oral tradition'... The Vedic tradition puts reciting with correct cadence, before trying to 'understand' .( memorize first-- later-gradually-understanding will come in flashes). 'absorb the music.. sing it in your mind again and again... let it sink deep in your memory cells.. later we can substitute appropriate words in a language of our choice,, was our motto ). Papanaasam sivan's 'enna seyven' song in sriranjani ragam is said to be exactly set to the tune of thyagaraji krithi '
To quote
In Tamil film music, one of the earliest instances of Sriranjani on the silver screen was in the film Seva Sadhanam. M.S. Subbulakshmi sang ‘Enna Seiven’ in the exact tune of ‘Marubalka’ kriti! In those days, that was a way of attracting the public’s attention to a film song — tuning it in the exact melody of an already popular song.
What strikes one is that, back then Thyagaraja kritis were as popular as other film songs... times change, don’t they?
( color- by me)
Sivanandha Lahari is so musical even without any tune. Would have been more enchanting and mind-bogging sanskrit, if some 'tune smith' had set it to music. ...
( transliteration does not bring out the loveliness of the lines. Better to read it in original)
relevant here is
Smruthou shasthre vaidhye shakuna kavitha gana phanithou
Puranee manthre vaa sthuthi natana hasyeshwa chatura
Kadham ragman preethirbhavathi mayi koo aham pasu pathe
Pasum maam sarvagna pradhitha kripaya palaya vibho

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#42 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 02 Mar 2019, 06:26

What strikes one is that, back then Thyagaraja kritis were as popular as other film songs... times change, don’t they?
Actually they would have been still popular. Film music then had access only to the same group that was listening to tyAgarAja kritis ! May be a bit beyond and not much.

That group dwindled due to upward mobility and family planning - is my theory! What say you?
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#43 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 02 Mar 2019, 10:21

shankarank wrote:
02 Mar 2019, 06:26
That group dwindled due to upward mobility and family planning - is my theory! What say you?
Sir, I beg to differ. Actually, the orthodox community did not understand the significance of the stage and film media in the decades of 1920-1940. and were actually very hostile.
( Even in the Trinity days, Gopala krishna Barathy chose the Tamil medium) During that time, the stage artistes like S.G.Kittappa + K.B.SundaraambaL captivated the general public with stunning classical music in plays. and in the film world, maximum importance was given to music, there also of great quality. Might have heard about GNB's early films, Musiri Subramanya Iyer, Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer , KaLakkad Ramanarayana Iyer, and of course,,V.V.Sdagopan M.M.DandapanNi desikar. We cannot leave out M,KT either. . Music directors like Thuraiyoor Rahjagopala Srma , Papanasam Sivan, Sudharsanam, &, G.Ramanathan contributed greatly too.
I remember , in my school days, names and tunes of ragams were very well known to the common people all over tiny villages of tamil country, mainly due to the plays and films and not at all through the orthodox galaxy. Dont you know, films like Haridas full of songs in classical tunes were all block-busters? What was the social composition of the audience? Definitely not the orthodox only.
The times have changed, brought about by advances in technology. and value system . We can only pray that film and TV producers shunned glamour and vulgarity and opted for good themes. ( unfortunately, 'it seems 'it is the dog that died!')
I submit, that musicians thorough with the classics of Purandharadasa, ,pre-trinity and the Trinity, adopt the same method as done by P.Sivan( create tamil songs in the same tune as the creators of CM and get it sung with artistes of highest caliber of voice culture and discipline). Rather a difficult task.-The theme assumes great importance.
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#44 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 02 Mar 2019, 10:34

But the social composition of Carnatic listeners in many kalyANams - not just brahmin households, village temples, etc. were not , by any indication seems to have been orthodox ( or is it orthoprax) only.

The sanskrit pundits ,may sometimes ignore all things musical, they considered themselves beyond all that actually. The temple priests on the other hand knew of its significance , used it in Archana.

Also this Orthodox/Orthoprax etc., are not quite what they are defined to be!

You cannot talk about colonial, post colonial institutions of music in Madras only!

There were Orthodox ( using the term loosely to mean old fashioned or people with rigid ideas!) reviewers in Chennai , so much so that, a Sruti magazine 2009 or 2010 write up ( may be a letter to the editor!) mentions that GNB's concert outside Chennai were all much better than what he sang in there , due to the review menace!
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#45 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 02 Mar 2019, 20:02

continued from
( becoming rather difficult to get suitable songs in tamil for ragams not yet covered ,especially pre-1955.. vintage . Some repetitions of ragams may kindly be condoned.).

87)ஜோதிஸ்வரூபிணி-'கானாமுத பானம்'-
களக்காடு ராம்நாராயண அய்யர்-( கோடீஸ்வர அய்யர் SAAHITHYAM )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ftKx5O ... e=youtu.be
jothiswaroopiNi- 'gaanaamudha baanam '- kaLakkadu ramaNaraayana Iyer-
( composer- koteeswara iyer)
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88)கல்யாணி-'உன் பெருமை '-செம்பை வைத்தியநாத பாகவதர்-(லலிதா தாசர்) ( LALITHA DASAR WAS A FRIEND OF CHEMBAI at Chennai )
https://youtu.be/CeIa1SZ6TXo
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நமக்கினி பயமேது -பி.யு.சின்னபபா- ( not a film song!)
https://youtu.be/8nqFcxfRGr8
Namakkini bayamedhu? P.U.Chinnappa- ( not from any film)
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89)குந்தலவராளி-மாலே மணிவண்ணா-எம்.எஸ்.சுப்புலக்ஷ்மி-திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/3CK3aiObqS8
kunthalavaraaLi- 'maale maNi vaNNaa'- Smt.MSS- THIRUPPAAVAI
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(90)color=#FF0000]ஜோன்புரி[/color] - ஆண்டவன் தரிசனமே-எஸ்.ஜி.கிட்டப்பா
இயற்றியவர் ஹரிகேசநல்லூர் முத்தையா பாகவதர்
https://youtu.be/QpkbU0hoXug
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(91)முருகா முருகா என்றால் -ராதா - ஜயலக்ஷ்மி ( desciples of GNB)
https://youtu.be/zYmMJQFhr04
MURUGA MURUGA ENDRAAL - RADHA& JAYALAKSHMI

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#46 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by shankarank » 03 Mar 2019, 10:53

Saw the link for the book posted in musicresearch.in:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0ggzfcqn51sf ... 6.pdf?dl=0
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#47 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 04 Mar 2019, 12:36

CRama wrote:
20 Feb 2019, 14:15
RSR, I have never herd the songs from the film Venuganam. Can you please upload the above songs by NCV and VVS.
Respected Sir, Came across this upload by Raju Asokan , yesterday.
I contains the following songs and one of them is from veNugaanam.
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Vidwan V V Sadagopan 78RPM recordings

1.Anirai Meyka
2. Enda veduko
3.Kanavenum
4.Kannan Mugam
5.Nadamadi thirintha
6.Parthasarathy
7.Rama Bhajanai
8.Seer Sirakkumeni Pasel
9.Sri Venkatesa
10.Sri Venugopala
11.Varuvalo Maatalo
12.Villinai Ottha
13. Vinthai Maandar Palar

https://youtu.be/nFoSr82jk7Q
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#48 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by RSR » 04 Mar 2019, 12:42

92)Vidwan Shri Thurayur Rajagopala Sharma
Thiruvadi Nambi Vanden Ragam Kedara Gowla
https://youtu.be/1Fq_443YS-o
திருவடி நம்பி வந்தேன்- துறையூர் ராஜகோபால சர்மா
கேதாரகௌளை
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93)S,G.KITTAPPA-SARAVANABHAVA-YAMUN KALYANI-
https://youtu.be/n0b0NyrOarU
சரவணபவ -எஸ்.ஜி.கிட்டப்பா -யமுன் கல்யாண்
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94)Thaayin manikodi (Patriotic song)... Singer, D K Pattammal
https://youtu.be/rW24mW07pOk
தாயின் மணிக்கொடி பாரீர் -டி.கே.பட்டம்மாள்-சுப்பிரமணிய பாரதி
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95) இன்பக் கனவொன்று,துயிலினில் கண்டேன்- DKPattammal-Kalki-sindhubairavi
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattammalsongs/home/41
inbak kanavondru thuyilinil kaNden- DKP- Lyrics by KALKI

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96) சுருட்டி 'வங்கக்கடல் கடந்த ' - அரியக்குடி ஐயங்கார் -திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/lIlsXnsQcIE
surutti-vangak kadal kadantha- ariyakkudi ramanuja iyengaar - thiruppaavai
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97) கௌளை - 'வையத்து வாழ்வீர்காள் '-எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி -திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/4CjCExDkV1c
GOWLAI- 'vaiyatthu vaazhveerkaaL'- MLV- Thiruppaavai
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98) ஹுசேனி -கற்றுக் கறவை- எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி-திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/-5mX56rZk3Q
huseini- 'katruk karavai'- MLV- thiruppaavai
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99) ஆனந்த பைரவி-' உங்கள் புழக்கடை தோட்டத்த்து ' -எம்.எல்.வி.- திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/6BjyJaRv4sg
aananda bairavi - 'ungal puzhakkadai thottaatthu'- MLV- Thiruppaavai paasuram
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100) மத்தியமாவதி- சிற்றஞ்சிறு காலே வந்துன்னை '-எம்.எல்.வசந்தகுமாரி - திருப்பாவை
https://youtu.be/RMfj_5U9KBI
madhyamaavathi- 'chitranchiru kaale' -ML Vasanthakumari- AndaaL thiruppaavai
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sitramsirukAlE vandhunnai sEvitthun, pottramarai adiye pottrum poruL keLAi
pettram meitthuNNum kulatthil pirandhu nee, kuttrEval engaLai koLLAmal pOgAdhu
ittraipparai koLvAn anru kAN gOvindA, ettraikkumEzEzu piravikkum unthannOdu
uttrEmE AvOm unakkE nAm AtseivOm, mattrai nam kAmangal mAttrElOrempAvAi


Hear why we have come in the early morning and worship your lotus-like feet.
Being born in the clan of cowherds you cannot refuse our service to you.
We have not come here just ask for the requisites for this vratha but
to pray that we should belong to you for all the lives to come
and should serve you alone. remove all the other desires of ours.

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स्मृतौ शास्त्रे वैद्ये शकुन-कविता-गान-फणितौ
पुराणे मन्त्रे वा स्तुति-नटन-हास्येशु-अचतुरः
कथं राज्नां प्रीतिर्-भवति मयि को(अ)हं पशु-पते
पशुं मां सर्वज्न प्रथित-कृपया पालय विभो 5
------ ( refers to the stanza in sivaanandha lahari..)
https://shaivam.org/scripture/English-T ... ranslation
Ignoramus I am in the science of law, In the science of life,In the art of medicine,
In interpretation of events, In the art of poems and song,
In the difficult tomes of arty grammar,In the holy books of yore,
In the psalms of Vedas.
In singing about your great deeds, In the art of dance and in art of comedy,

And so how can I get favour of Kings?Oh Lord of all beings,
Oh all knowing one, Of most famous one,
And Oh , all pervading one,Tell me who am I?
And be pleased to protect me Showering on me your sea of mercy.
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#49 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by ajaysimha » 06 Mar 2019, 16:26

ajaysimha wrote:
22 Feb 2019, 18:25
Thought of adding some of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions.
here are list of Venkatakavi's Tamizh Compositions (all the links are available on YTB)
i have compiled the list as 1 song per Raga
additions are welcome

8. Hanumatodi
Taye yashode - Todi/Adi

15. Mayamalavagaula
Alavadennalo shivame - Paras/Adi

17. Suryakanta
Nila malar kola tirumeni kandu - Vasanta/Adi

20. Natabhairavi
Gambhira nadaiyodu vandan - Anandabhairavi/Adi
Ettanai kettalum podum enbade illai - Bhairavi/Adi

22. Kharaharapriya
Ayyan allavo - Devamanohari/Adi
Adum varai avar adattum arindukondenadi - Huseni/Rupakam
Alai payude kanna - Kanada/Adi
Adadu ashangadu va kanna - Madhyamavati/Adi
Yarenna shonnalum anjada nenjame - Manirangu/Adi
Dhyaname parama pavaname - Rasamanjari/Adi
Enna punniyam sheideno sadguru natha - Ritigaula/Mishra Chapu
Guru padaravinda komalam - Abhogi/Rupakam
Kanada atishaya pillai - Shriranjani/Adi

23. Gaurimanohari
Pazhamo pazhamo - Gaurimanohari/Adi

28. Harikambhodhi
Koduttu vaitta punniyavan - Natakuranji/Adi
Adinan vilaiyadinan - Sama/Adi
Vishamakkara kannan pollada (kavadi chindu) - Sensuruti/Eka
Parvai onru podume - Suruti/Adi

29. Dhirashankarabharanam
Velli nilavinile anda tella nilai tanile - Athana/Rupakam
Kan kanda daivame engal gati niye gurunatha - Begada/Adi
Ninringu unnarul kattum shollonru - Bilahari/Adi
Shonnal ozhiya - Kannada
Brindavanam enbadivaiyo - Kuranji/Adi
Eppadittan en ullam pughundu - Nilambari/Adi
Tanakku nigarillada svami - Shuddhasaveri/Rupakam

36. Chalanata
Ninranda mayil onru - Nata/Khanda Eka

51. Kamavardhini
Shonnadai kel kanna - Kamavardhini/Adi
Kallame ariyada kannanai - Amritavarshini/Adi

56. Shanmukhapriya
Varam onru tandarulvai vadivela - Shanmukhapriya/Adi

57. Simhendramadhyama
Ashaindadum mayil onru kanum - Simhendramadhyama/Adi

65. Mechakalyani
Arudam onru sholladi - Kalyani/Adi
Illai illai illaiyamma - Mohanam/Adi

Ragamalikas
Ippadiyum or pillai engeyum illai - Ragamalika/Jhampa
Shri rama jayame jayam - Ragamalika/Adi
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#50 Re: We need more tamil songs!

Post by Lakshman » 24 Mar 2019, 21:46

I have two 78 rpm songs by Ariyakudi - rATTinamE in kApi and sundaramAna in kalyANi. If these have not been uploaded I can do so. Thanks.
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