Varnams

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 01 Jul 2005, 09:24

Thank you, I shall edit my post

Chithra

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Jul 2005, 10:21

Thanks coolkarni/poongavur:
Do please store by the title we have in this forum for easy reference. The x-drive will also be our archive for reference.

For the long titles we need short acronyms. I am thinking of the expert in our midst who should develop the list index

meena · Post by **meena** » 01 Jul 2005, 11:10

>>For the long titles we need short acronyms. I am thinking of the expert in our midst who should develop the list index

cml which clips have long titles? u gotta be kidding.

chitra thanks for the list!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Jul 2005, 19:29

meena
I was thinking of tying in the clip with the topic as well as the performer. More like the keywords we have in scientific circles. Once we have a number of clips we should be able to search using the acronym to find the relevant piece. I am not too clear in words but my thought process may be clear!

meena · Post by **meena** » 01 Jul 2005, 22:07

cml

ha ha sum up -more wrk!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 01 Jul 2005, 22:37

Of course more brain work

Will I thrust physical work onto delicate hands

kalgada78 · Post by **kalgada78** » 02 Jul 2005, 01:37

Lakshman Sir,
The composer of that varnam in Ahiri is Talangambadi Panchanadayyar...
Kulkarni Sir,
you can use me also for the services...
Parvati.

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 02 Jul 2005, 09:17

Thanks EVERYBODY, esp. Sri Kulkarni, for responding to my request and uploading non-standard Varnams. But, I see no discussions....

Kalgada, do you if anyone sings now or any in the old school that used to sing the Ahiri Varnam - it is a beautiful ragam? And, where can I get the notation? Thank you,

Chithra

kalgada78 · Post by **kalgada78** » 02 Jul 2005, 10:09

Hi Chitra,
I saw this varnam in Gana Kala Bodhini a year ago and i remember that it is written as a janya of Vakulabharanam
without any anya swarams....and it was composed by
Sri Talangambadi Panchanadayyar...but i never heard anyone singing...
I also heard of a varnam in Huseni which i was told,
is beautiful...but don't know who sang....
All these Adi Tala Varnams are called TAna varnams
because they educate people as to how to sing TAnam
for a particular Ragam...that's why people ask to sing
Varnams as crisply as possible and not sing as a PAdam
where you have much of an expression for the lyrics and
Music...
Kulkarni Sir can expose us to some more rare varnams...
Parvati.

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 02 Jul 2005, 10:24

Thanks Parvathy for the info - who is teh author of Gana Kala Bodhini? Is it available at the usual Chennai outelts? Sorry to be so persistent; I hope you don't mind.

chitha

kalgada78 · Post by **kalgada78** » 02 Jul 2005, 11:14

Hi Chitra,
iam always available for carnatic music discussions..
Gana Kala Bodhini is a book for those appearing for Diploma in
Carnatic Music in Chennai and the book i have,is in Telugu..since iam from Andhra,i followed that book...but iam not sure if that's written in Tamil too?
I really wonder why not many people sing Ahiri inspite of
the availability of many compositions in that raga and
esp.a major contribution from Trinity....
Hopefully,Kulkarni Sir will show us some glimpses of Ahiri
some point of time...
Parvati.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 03 Jul 2005, 07:21

Hopefully,Kulkarni Sir will show us some glimpses of Ahiri
some point of time...
Parvati.

a rendering by somu which has a fairly elaborate alapana.
Download-Link: http://rapidshare.de/files/2748293/abha ... r.mp3.html
and a home recording by dkp
:http://rapidshare.de/files/2748448/dkp- ... i.mp3.html

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 08 Jul 2005, 12:16

I found this when I was browsing through my cds.
Dr SRJ has rendered the varnam valachi vacchi in hindola vasantham. I guess its a rare one. I haven't heard of any one rendering it. I think somebody was asking for it.
http://rapidshare.de/files/2889029/Vala ... m.mp3.html

Lakshman Sir,
Isn't this a composition of Ramaswami Dikshitar. I couldn't locate this on the varnams. (http://www.geocities.com/promiserani2/varnams.html
Thank you.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 08 Jul 2005, 17:27

It is indeed a composition of Ramasvami Dikshitar.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 08 Jul 2005, 18:20

Prof SRJ is one of the finest teachers of CM alive at present. No wonder he is bringing back to life some of our rare (and lost) varNams. Now let me share a secret with you guys. You will be seeing soon more of his monumental research in CM at this forum. I am also inviting his innumerable shishyas here at NA as well as elsewhere to share their memories with this living legend on this forum. Now just hold your breath

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 08 Jul 2005, 20:00

Here is a link to a folder (varnams) in the xdrive which has a few rare varnams rendered by Prof.SRJ. Vocal support is by his disciple, T.Lokanatha Sarma. Accompanists are Sri. Easwaran and Smt. T.Rukmini. These varnams are from the video "Varnam through the Ages" recorded under the auspices of "Saraswati Vaggeyakara Trust".

http://plus.xdrive.com/u/171198146/8323 ... DvacYe7IYt

Hope you are all able to access the folder!

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 08 Jul 2005, 20:12

This folder on the xdrive has the following compositions - mostly home recordings.
1) gAravamu - Subbarama Dikshitar rAgamAlika
2) nIke dayatOci (Kuppuswamy ayya)
3) tulasi bilva
4) kAruvElpulu
5) udayaravichandrika ragam (discussion)
6) daya cucutakidi (gAnavAridi)

SRJ's students, Ashwin & Rohin Iyer (Toronto) sing along with him in "gAravamu" and "nIke dayatOci". "kAruvElpulu" in kalyAni is from a lecdem in Toronto in 2004. Violin accompaniment for the remaining krithis is by Smt.Kalpana Venkat (home recordings).

http://plus.xdrive.com/u/141351297/7691 ... qR3MWhX6Sq

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 08 Jul 2005, 21:33

Lakshmanji

Will it be possible to get the lyrics for these varnams?

Thanks davalangi for sharing this treat with us. Prof SRJ is technically perfect. He is the living expert on SSP. Is he perhaps the reincar?

Ashwin · Post by **Ashwin** » 08 Jul 2005, 21:49

Rohin and I had the immense privilege of accompanying SRJ Mama during that Toronto lec-dem on saint tyAgarAjA. Mama ended the presentation with kRSNasvAmi bhAgavatar's slOka in praise of tyAgarAja, set in suraTi rAgam, leaving much of the audience applauding while in tears - an unforgettable experience.

Ashwin

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 08 Jul 2005, 22:18

Which is the folder on the Xdrive that has tracks from prof SRJ?
I can't see it, and a site search doesn't some up with anything either.
Thanks.
Ravi

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 08 Jul 2005, 22:50

Ravi
The varnams link on xdrive should show you a folder named
'varnams'. The link for the 6 compositions (my second post) should show you a folder named 'kalyani'.

I just checked the links in my previous posts by clicking on them and creating a dummy account for myself in xdrive. I can see both the folders. Hope you can access them.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 08 Jul 2005, 23:13

gAravamu ganna (varNa). rAgAmAlikA. rUpaka tALA. Composer: subbarama Bhagavatar.

(rAgA: kalyANi)
1: gAravamu ganna doreyani kalyANi valaciyunnAdira
(svara sAhitya)
kAmAri suta guruguka kumArA ninu dalaci ghanambuga
manambuna dinambunu nutimpucu polupuna kalyANi
2: vEru dalaca gUDadurA vEga tODitemmanerA
(svara sAhitya)
rArA celi nalacuTamErA kalagenurA vArijAkSayika
nimiSamu jUDa guNDadurAtamini vEga
(rAgA: sAvEri)
3: sAreku sarasAvEriti cAna vEDukonnadirA
(svara sAhitya)
talapuna vapu nilupalEka kaliki sadA liki celuva kalaya
gani bilici celuvumIra piluvu manucucAna
(rAgA: aThANA)
4: mAruDu bahaThAna kusuma bANamEya solaserA
(svara sAhitya)
shIdAmshu kiraNamu cikhiyai mIra naLipika sukani
nAdamulu vInulakunu cAla shUlamuga velayaga bANamEya
(rAgA: nIlAmbari)
5: nIraja gandhikAkacE nIlAmbariyaina dIrA
(svara sAhitya)
nI pAdamule gatiyani palAru bakenurA sarOja kisalaya
shayanamuna bodala pirALini bedari nIlAmbari
(rAgA: maNirangu)
6: mA rAmA maNiranguni madinanci pUjincunu
(svara sAhitya)
vandAru jana shubhakara mandAra parama puruSa
varadAyaka yaghahara sharaNAgata bhayaharayani madi
(rAgA: kAmbhOji)
7: vArakasu kAmbhOdhi vanita gUDi dElumurA
(svara sAhitya)
nI dAnanani nenaruna mannincu mA kramamuna
parAku sEyaka durusuga niratambuna saratambuna vanita
(rAgA: mukhAri)
8: vIra dashamukhAri sEtu vibhu bhAskara mahIpAla
(svara sAhitya)
sakala surAsura sEvita shrI rAjarAjEshvarIkaruNA kaTAkSa
labdha sakala bhAgya dhurandharuDagu shrI bhAskara
(rAgA: mOhana)
9: tIrunElu shrI kArtikEya divyaq mOhana shikhai vAhana kAruNyAmrta
jaladhi gAvA kAvava surasa daya divya mOhana shikhi vAhana

The following 9 lines are to be sung starting with mOhana and going backwards with the order of rAgAs and finishing with the pallavi ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢??gAravamuÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢??.

9: nirupama guNanidhiyadirA
8: nelata mogamu nelayakurA
7: kurulanu mogalandururA
6: kumbha kucamulu galadirA
5: sarasa kalAnidhiyadirA
4: sannutAgi nEcakurA
3: varusagatami dAcakurA
2: varuDa nigayi koninadirA
1: taruNi nElaniditadirA

The other items are kirtanas.

meena · Post by **meena** » 08 Jul 2005, 23:20

davalangi

thanks for sharing with us ur xdrive folder.

Varnam folder contains ONLY 3 varnams:
bilahari-varnam.mp3
inta-calamu.mp3
varali-varnam.mp3

meena · Post by **meena** » 08 Jul 2005, 23:22

davalangi
Pl. ignore my post.
I did not realise ur second link that u posted was different.
thanks

meena · Post by **meena** » 08 Jul 2005, 23:26

davalangi

Both the links- same 3 varnams in the folders!

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 08 Jul 2005, 23:30

Meena
One link should show a folder 'varnams' (3 varnams). The second link should reveal a folder named 'kalyani' and that has the 6 compositions, including gAravamu. I just checked it when I replied to rshankar's post. I am new to xdrive, I hope I am not messing up. Could you please check again and let me know? Thanks!

meena · Post by **meena** » 08 Jul 2005, 23:36

sorry both links takes me to the same varnam folder- 3 items.

meena · Post by **meena** » 08 Jul 2005, 23:39

davalangi

OK the 4th try i see it- labled 'kalyani'

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 09 Jul 2005, 00:16

Chitra: If you want the notation of Tanangambadi Panchanada Iyer's Ahiri varNa notation, please send me an email to luzchurch@hotmail.com and I will send it to you.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 09 Jul 2005, 00:33

Thanks Lakshman

Pl post the lyrics for the varnams too after hearing them.

Ashwin
A warm welcome to you. Kindly share with us your experiences with Prof SRJ. It will be great if you can make available the Lecdems since they will be highly educational for CM students (as well as Rasikas)! You can send them by yousendit.com to the e-mail meena_140@hotmail.com to be uploaded into our discussion x-drive. We appreciate your participation.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 09 Jul 2005, 00:53

Here are the lyrics of two of the varNAs.

inta calamu (varNa). rAgA: kAmbhOji. aTa tALA. Composer: Pallavi Gopala Iyer.

P: inta calamu jEsEya idi
A: kAntuDaina shrI shyAmarAjEndra rAghanuDai vara tanayA appurAyacandrA
C: nATI modalUcinnA

vanajAkSa nIvEga (varNa). rAgA: varALi. c/aTa tALA. Composer: Poochi Iyengar.

P: vanajAkSa nIvEgatiyani ninnu nammi vacciyunna nannAdarincara vAncita phaladA
A: manasukE nannu brOcEvArevaru lErurA manOharuDaina shrInivAsa karivarada
C: tAmasamu salupuTa meragAdurA

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 09 Jul 2005, 00:58

Here is a link to the xdrive folder "SSP-Ragas" - a lecdem by Prof.SRJ at The Music Academy (Jan' 2005) on 'Ragas Exclusive to Sangita Sampradaya Pradarshini'. SRJ covers the following ragas in the lecdem (detailed technical discussion of the raga lakshanas followed by an illustrative krithi) :

1) rAgacUdAmani
2) udayaravicandrika
3) mArgadeSi
4) dEvaranji
5) navaratnavilAsam
6) amritavarshini (the krithi is in a separate file)
7) sAlanganAttai
8) kalAvati

When you click on the link below, you should see a folder named 'SSP-Ragas'.

http://plus.xdrive.com/u/171331465/8501 ... 0rIzcqI8cV

Please post here if there should be any difficulty accessing the folder.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 09 Jul 2005, 01:07

Here is the last varNa.

nenarunci elukora (varNa). rAgA: bilahari. aTa tALA. Composer: Sonti Venkatasubbiah.

P: nenerunci elukora ninnE namminadanara
A: nabhO sAlanvayAmuna valayu pratApa simhEndruni
tanayu au shrI tuLaja janala guNashIla
C: nATi modacinnA nATi modalu
anubandha:
nATi modalu cittamura nadura vagaveNaminnA
gAsa maradula meppinca galedO

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 09 Jul 2005, 01:16

In the anupallavi a word was misse. The corrected version should read:
A: ghunuDaina bhOsAlanvayA munavelayu .... etc

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 09 Jul 2005, 01:18

Thanks very much Lakshman

Now we can enjoy the varNam fully with the saahityam.

Noticed the last one was by Sonti Venkatasubbiah. and I believe the Guru of Thyagaraja himself. Interestingly Thyagaraja must have learned it from him. Are there any historical references. Am I right at the first place?

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 09 Jul 2005, 01:23

Must be my off day. Please ignore the above two posts.

nenarunci elukora (varNa). rAgA: bilahari. aTa tALA. Composer: Sonti Venkatasubbiah.

P: nenerunci elukora ninnE namminadanara
A: ghanuDaina bhOsAlanvayAmuna valayu pratApa simhEndruni
tanayuDau shrI tuLaja janapAa guNashIla
C: cinnanATi modalu
anubandha:
cinnanATi modalu cittamura nadura vagaveNaminnA
gAsa maradula meppinca galedO

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 09 Jul 2005, 02:22

The varNa gAravamu ganna is by Subbarama Dikshitar-not Subbarama Bhagavatar.

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 09 Jul 2005, 03:19

Davalangi: What a way to begin your membership in this forum - thanks for offering these treasures by SRJ. Welcome to the forum!

Krishna, thanks for the Hindola Vasantham Varnam - one of the few varnams in Roopaka Thaalam.

Apart from the Varali Chathusra Ata thaal varnam has anyone heard any of these Varnams being sung by other artists?

Are any MDR / SRJ renditions of Tiger's varnams available? Tiger had composed varnams in Vachaspathy (Khanda Ata) and Janaranjani; there are more, I believe - perhaps, Ashwin / Davalangi / Sri Lakshman will tell us.

Would anyone have the Poornachandrika Varnam, by PSI, in Khanda Ata; and , the Yadukula Kambhoji Pada varnam by Vadivelu (of the Thanjavur Quartette) - I mean the audio, of course.

Sri Lakshman Sir, my email is <chithra.te@gmail.com>. Thanks for offering to send me the notation of the Ahiri varnam - I truly appreciate it. Would you tell me your source for lyrics you have given above, as well as the Ahiri Varnam, so I may procure it the next time I am in India?

Mikka Nandri to all.

Chithra

Ashwin · Post by **Ashwin** » 09 Jul 2005, 03:45

Thank you for welcoming me to the forum - I'd be very happy to contribute in any way that I can. With regards to Tiger's compositions, there are also varnams in SrI ranjani and maNirangu. There is a famous recording of MDR singing the former, which I must have somewhere, and I will try to extract a recording of SRJ Mama singing the maNirangu varnam from one of our lessons. Recently SRJ mama gave a workshop in Chennai under the auspices of IFCM in which he took up about six rare varnams, including subbarAma dIkShitar's cauka varnam in suraTi, this maNirangu varnam, and the sahAna aTa tAla varnam, "evarEmi". I believe notations for each were also provided to the attendees.

Ashwin

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 09 Jul 2005, 04:29

Chithra - I will upload both the Janaranjani & Vacaspati varnams of Tiger (both SRJ renditions) sometime next week once I can clear space on my xdrive. Or maybe I should send them to Meena so that she can u/l to the forum's xdrive. As Ashwin pointed out, SRJ has also sung the Manirangu varnam (Cleveland 2004). I will u/l the suraTi couka varnam and Patnam's aTa tAla varnam in sahAna when I get a chance.

I might actually have SRJ singing the yadhukula kambhoji pada varnam in the "varnam through the ages" video. I will check into this!

I also provided a link to his lecdem at the Music Academy on "ragas exclusive to SSP". Please d/l that when you get a chance.

meena · Post by **meena** » 09 Jul 2005, 05:23

Ashwin welcome!

Thanks for sharing with us. I'll be glad to u/l the varnams on our forum xdrive.

On ur/rohin website when i try to access sree SRJ
audio link- 72 melakarta ragas, i get an error message.

meena · Post by **meena** » 09 Jul 2005, 05:27

I have u/l sree MDR rendetion of Tiger's sriranjani varna. This is from my collections

(CM forum xdrive folder)

Ashwin · Post by **Ashwin** » 09 Jul 2005, 05:37

Ashwin welcome!

Thanks for sharing with us. I'll be glad to u/l the varnams on our forum xdrive.

On ur/rohin website when i try to access sree SRJ
audio link- 72 melakarta ragas, i get an error message.

Hi Meena

This web site hasnt been updated since my early undergrad days, and the files must have been deleted at some point. I'll see if I can find it and upload it as well...

BTW, the photograph you see on that page is Mama at Musiri Chambers in 1998. He sang a few Musiri favourites like tiruvaDi SaraNam, nIrajAkShi kAmAkShi, etc. but also sang aparAdhamulanniyu manninci preceded by a beautiful latAngi AlApanA, which I have since come to regard as the gold standard for latAngi

, beginning in the style of TigervAL. I actually have a recording of this concert - unfortunately it was done with a very old recorder and so there is a lot of noise - but if you have either very good speakers or a nice pair of headphones, you can make out quite a bit. Here's a link to Mama's latAngi AlApana from that concert:

http://individual.utoronto.ca/iyer/Latangi.mp3

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 09 Jul 2005, 07:33

Meena - If you want to put excerpts from the mElarAgamAlika on the forum xdrive, I can send you 1 or 2 chakras at a time. Each file (one chakra) is approximately 50Mb. I personally feel that this lecdem (at least parts of it) is a 'must-have'!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 09 Jul 2005, 08:39

reply from meena and coolkarni

all other uploads of lecdems have been put on hold by me.they all can wait.
(the last one was rajams talk on koteeswara iyer.hopefully it will be discussed over the next week.)
you can then start at the rate of one chakra at a time ( wonder how many people are out there like me who want to ask WHAT IS A CHAKRA ?)
YOU CAN SEND IT TO MEENA BY YOUSENDIT.COM
For 20 years I lived with only one isai vizha excerpt of SRJ- a lovely charukesi in that-
and now ....
There is hope for kansens like me after all.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 09 Jul 2005, 08:45

also

this lecdem (at least parts of it) is a 'must-have'!

you can edit that (atleast parts of it ) from your post.we will have it in full.

kannan · Post by **kannan** » 09 Jul 2005, 09:03

WHAT IS A CHAKRA ?

The 72 Melakartas are split into 12 groups of 6 , each called a chakra. Some details are here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melakarta

Wish we could create someting with audio inputs for things like this..Of course that ought to be the tansens in the group so I am out

chithra · Post by **chithra** » 09 Jul 2005, 11:24

Davalangi, Ashwin:

Thanks for offering to share MDR, SRJ's renditions of Tiger's varnams. I look forward to them. I also have heard the Sahana varnam by SRJ - it is magificent, and would make a great addition to our Varnam archive.

Yes, I d/l the SSP Ragam items - will hear them over the weekend. In this connection, have you heard his Ekaika Ragam Tape?

Davalangi, a couple of years back SRJ's son was selling the Melaragamalika CDs by SRJ - is it appropriate to host them here? He had made the CDs from the video. Sorry to pour cold water - but I believe we should discuss this matter.

Chithra

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 09 Jul 2005, 17:30

As you all know, a mELakarta will have the same 7 swaras in both ascent and descent in the c0rrect order(SRGMPDN and back). rAgas consist of a pUrvAnga (SRGM) and a uttarAnga(PDNS). S and P are constant notes and will not change.
As mentioned, the 72 mELakartas are divide into 12 cakras with 6 rAgas each. First let us divide these into equal halves of 36. The frist and the second halves are in a way, mirror images of each othe. Te first 36 contain M1 or Suddha madhyama. The 2nd have the M2 or pratimadhyama.
The way the rAgas progress is very methodical. Within each cakra, the pUrvAnga is same for all the 6 rAgas. Hence the only changes are in the uttarAnga. As S and P are unique and unchangeable, the changes occur only in D and N. Both these swaras have 3 variants. D1, D2, D3 and N1, N2, N3. Of these D2 = N1 are same as also N2 = D3. Therefore they cannot coexist in the same rAga. Also N must always have a higher frequency value than D in a rAga. Hence we cannot have a rAga withD3,N1 as that is against the rule and also will be the same as D2,N2. This leaves us with only 6 possible combinations that give rise to 6 mELas in a cakra. The way they progress is of fixed order
1st mELa of any cakra will have both Suddha swaras- D1,N1. Next we have D1, N2. Then D1, N3. Fourth D2,N2 (remember D2=N1), Fifth D2,N3 and lastly D3,N3. The same pattern repeats in eac cakra.
Now coming to the change from one cakra to the next;-
the variation is in the pUrvAnga only. Here again as we know which madhyama is present and S is constant, changes occur only in R and G. Again they admit of 3 variants wherein R2=G1 and G2=R3 and cannot coexist. Also G must be higher in frequency than R in a rAga. Therefore we have the 6 cakras progressing thus 1st R1,G1; 2nd R1,G2; 3rd R1,G3; 4th R2,G2; 5th R2G3 and lastly R3,G3. The same pattern repeats in the pratimadhyama half with only M being different.
Hence, for instance, the first mELa of each of the 1st 6 cakras is identical with respect to uttarAnga but vary in pUrvAnga. Whereas within a cakra, pUrvAnga is constant while uttarAnga differs.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 09 Jul 2005, 19:46

Super DRS:

Could you kindly open a new thread called 'explanation of musical jargon' and post these descriptive explanations for the benefit of our readership. If it is done in the middle of these threads it will get buried and lost. These ongoing explanations will be always useful and educational for all threads and permit a finer understanding of subtle points in CM. Also our laya specialists may also add explanations therein on moot points of taaLaM.

Thank you and regards