Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

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#51 Re: Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

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Sure that was a scientist?

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#52 Re: Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

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RSR wrote:
09 Jul 2020, 23:49
The Pandyan kings were originally from Mathsyadesam on the banks of Yamuna. Puranaanooru says that Pandyans were the descendants of Pandavas of Mahabaratha War.
Interesting. Unless well supported, this could be construed as rewrting the history. I was under the impression that a pAndiya king took part in the war and/or fed the armies. That wouldn't tie with the descendants of the war.

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#53 Re: Prof George Hart on Tamil Society in the Sangam Era

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivi_Kingdom
The southerly movement of the Sivis is also evidenced from their other settlement called Usinara near Yamuna, ruled by Sivi king called Usinara.[32] Sivis also are attested to have one settlement in Sind, another one in Madhyamika (Tambavati Nagri) near Chittore (in Rajputana) and yet another one on the Dasa Kumara-chrita on the banks of the Kaveri in southern India (Karnataka/Tamil Nadu).[
http://rsramaswamy.blogspot.com/2013/04 ... alism.html

Luckily , you can read and write chaste Thamizh.

@sankark
It was the Chera king Perunchotru Uthiyal Adhan that is sung in Puranannooru as the king who fed both the armies in the great Mahabaratha war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uthiyan_Cheralathan

It was common practice of poets to refer to ancestors of patrons.

Not the Pandyans. for the Pandyans were descendants of the Pandavas. as mentioned in PuraNaanooru poem cited above . It also speaks of the Cholas of those times. Kindly read the English part of the blog also with clear maps.


For a clear understanding, we should read about the history of Ancient India before the formation of the Magadha empire. ( pre-Buddhist). We must also read about the warring kingdoms of today's Iraq ( then known as Mesopotamia - the land between the two rivers Tigris and Euphrates). ACDas identifies the three kingdoms as Assyria ( North Iraq)- Cheras, Central Iraq ( Chaldea- Chola) and Sumeria ( Pandyans) in southern most Iraq.

What is more, there was also the Elamite civilization just across the border on the Persian side ( mentioned by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru). Nehruji also mentions the occurrence of 'oor' in Babylon such a common place name in Tamil country.even in Sngam literature centuries . Uraiyoor, OKKOOR Maasaathiyar

The rise of Persian kingdom, today's Iran, ended the feuding kingdoms of Iraq and many of the Iraq soldiery were recruited in the Persian army . There was also a large influx of Iraq people into Sind and western India as Sind was part of Persian kingdom. It was around 700 BC. That was the time when there was great university in TAXILA ( purushpuram, Peshawar).Panini lived there. 700 BC

( After the Mesapotamian kingdoms were vanquished, according the Heimendorf, the three Tamil kings ( Chera, Chozha Pandyas) migrated to southern most areas of India as a safe place.

K.A.Nilakanta Sastry quotes authorities to point out the similarities of temple rituals between ancient Sumeria and the Pandyan temples. Moon God * ( Chanrasekaran) is a common theme as also the Mother Goddess riding the Lion. ( Interstingly. the crescent moon is sacred to Islam also!) ....showing the common ancestry of three great religions Hinduism, Christianity and Islam to the Levant.

Mahabaratha war took place in the Gangetic plain in around 1000 BC. The Tamil kings were then living in Rajasthan, Gandharam and today's Punjab, Haryana, and banks of Yamuna ( Mathsyadesam and its adjoining janapadha Surasena desam ).


After the war, there was considerable chaos in the Gangetic plain.


Like the people of USA, Canada, Australia, Newzeland, and even South Africa, and Sicily, the English people feel a common ancestry.

Similarly, the southern most TAMIL kingdoms had blood relations with their compatriots in the Delhi area ( Indraprastham) and Kurukshethra.


It is significant that Kanyakumari and ThamravarNi areas were famed for Tamizh. ( Pothiya malai). You might have heard of Baratham Paadiya Perundhevanaar. and Aathankoott Aasaan ( thiruvithaabkodu -today's kanyakumari)


Bagavatham explicitly associates Thamizh with Mathsya Avathaaram
https://guruvaayoorkshethram.blogspot.c ... ge_11.html
and another Pandyan king in Gajendra Moksham.
https://guruvaayoorkshethram.blogspot.c ... age_7.html
I can cite many more . but I leave it to you to explore .
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A Tamil historian from Jaffna is insisting that the name Nebuchadnezzaar * ( an Assyrian King) that we come across in college history lessons on MESOPOTAMIA is nothing but Nedunchezhiyan but I would rather connect it with Neduncheralaathan. as Chera country is of Assyrian ancestry.

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