500+ most frequently used telugu words in carnatic music

Languages used in Carnatic Music & Literature
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#101

Post by vasanthakokilam » 09 Jun 2009, 06:31

or rather repairing the nest after the ravages of winter ;) Thinking about doing it, procrastinating and realizing the lack of progress is stressful. Need to hire a handycuckoo. ;)
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#102

Post by PUNARVASU » 09 Jun 2009, 12:02

The cuckoo is famous for leaving its egg in the crow's nest for being hatched by the crow!- :)
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#103

Post by vasanthakokilam » 09 Jun 2009, 12:18

Ah..Grahabedham!!
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#104

Post by PUNARVASU » 09 Jun 2009, 13:00

'gruhabhEdm'.
So ,spring cuckoo, you have to catch a crow-'kAkkA piDikka vENDum'- :)
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#105

Post by keerthi » 09 Jun 2009, 16:56

Which crow..? The one (that) flew over the cuckoo's nest...?
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#106

Post by PUNARVASU » 09 Jun 2009, 17:36

keerthi- :)
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#107

Post by cmlover » 09 Jun 2009, 21:34

aha! so finally the spring-cuckoo has decided to lay its egg! Don't worry about a nest! There are plenty of she-crows at the Forum who will nurture the cuckooling until it opens its mouth to 'coo' till the next spring :) Remember
kAkaH kriShNaH pikaH kriShNaH kO bhEdhAH pikakAkayOH |
vasantasamayE prAptE kAkaH kAkaH pikaH pikaH ||

(..what is relevant for this thread is that .. as long as the 'aravam' does not open its mouth it will be considered a 'telugu' :)
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#108

Post by arasi » 09 Jun 2009, 22:02

CML,
Goes to prove, whatever the cuckoo's reputation, however uncaring it may come across to be (this is purely about the bird, not about the one who bears its name), it is the best name one can have. Its sweet music is the reason? Add the favorite sprinkle of spring to the name, and who can resist it? In a way, this is the case with some of CM's musicians too, is it not? However unappealing the personalities of some, there music lives on and they are admired no end--or rather, their music :)
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#109

Post by Suji Ram » 09 Jun 2009, 23:04

cmlover wrote: (..what is relevant for this thread is that .. as long as the 'aravam' does not open its mouth it will be considered a 'telugu' :)
'aravam' in telugu means- we won't shout.
VK add this too... :)
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#110

Post by cmlover » 10 Jun 2009, 01:42

.. also 'aravam' (under the Table) means us 'Tamils' :) (among the 'gults' :)
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#111

Post by keerthi » 10 Jun 2009, 10:16

The next, much delayed instalment..

63. 46 hRt - sanskrit for heart.. heart, idayam, hrdaya,dil (thyAgarAja-hrt-sadana - dweller of thyagarAja's heart..)

64. 46 enta - how much/as much (ever), ettanai/evvaLavu, yeshTu, kitnA/jitnA (enta nErcinA enta jUcinA = however much one has learnt, however much one has seen)

65. 46 arcita - Skt. for worshipped, see also nuta, sannuta, vandita, pujita

66. 45 sakala - entire/all/complete, used as it is in other languages.. (sakala lOka nAtha = lord of the whole world OR lord of all the worlds)

67. 44 nayana - Sanskrit for eye, also see netra/ akSa/lOcana (kuvalaya daLa nayana = lotus-petal-eyed one!)

68. 44 Ananda - skt. For bliss/joy, Used identically in all languages..(Ananda-sAgara-mIdu = In the ocean of bliss)

69. 43 aTa - A suffix, used to give the meaning 'it seems' or 'they say' akkum,antE, KahtE haiN
Also used in an imperative or instructional tone..(ought to/should etc..)
(sItA pati pUjyuDaTa = sIta's lord, he is to be venerated)(pUjyudu = worship-worthy, venerable; pUjyudaTa = SHOULD be worshipped)

70. 42 Sayana - skt. Abstract noun For sleep.. (kShIra-sagara-SayanA = One who sleeps in the Milky ocean)
derived from the root verb 'shIn' for recline..
so it has more to do with lying down than with sleeping..

71. 42 mada - skt for arrogance/intoxication; is the same in other languages.. (duSTa danuja mada vidAra = O Lord who subdued the arrogance of wicked demons!)

72. 42 lEni - suffix, to denote 'without' or 'in the absence of'..(daya-lEni bratukEmi = what is the use of living, without your blessing )

73. 41 ika - adv. Yet, still, further, hereafter, henceforth, then, next, in future, presently, soon
(ika kAvalasinad(E)mi = What else do You need?)

74. 40 tana - tana. [Tel.] adj. Own, his her, my. tan(uDaya), tanna, uskA
(tana mIdanE ceppukOvale = I shall blame it only on myself)
See 'tAnu' of which this is the genitive.

75. 40 karuNA - sanskrit for compassion/mercy, karuNai,karuNe, karuNA
also see daya (karuNa jUDavamma = Deign to have mercy on me)

76. 40 idi - this,idu,idu, yah/yE(h) ( idi samayamurA =Now/this is the time)

77. 39 tyAgarAju - the composers name; which he used as the signature for his songs (sva-nAma-mudrA)

78. 39 para - Skt. word with a host of meanings.. Generally used in the sense of 'the other', the outre..

have highlighted those used by thyagaraja..

far , distant , remote (in space) , opposite , farther than , beyond , on the other or farther side of , extreme ; previous (in time) , former ; ancient , past ; later , future , next ; following , succeeding , subsequent ; final , last ; exceeding (in number or degree) , more than ; better or worse than , superior or inferior to , best or worst , highest

1.para lOka = the other world;
2. para-nArI-sodara = one who is like a brother to (all) other('s) women [i.e, women beside one's wife](he uses para-bhAma, para-satI, para-kaminI also)
3.parAtpara = one who is beyond everything!
4.para dESi = vagrant,literally an alien;
5. para-ninda/ para-dushaNa = criticising others
6. also used in the sense of parama,(superlative) (pAhi par(A)nanda sindhO);paradevi, paratattvam, are other examples..



79. 39 lEdu - It is not, illai, illa, nahin hai
(sAkSi lEd(a)nucu sAdhimpakE = Do not assert that there are no witnesses)

lē. is the base of the negative forms lEka, lEni, lEdu
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#112

Post by ksrimech » 18 Jun 2009, 23:43

keerthi wrote:Put it in the bhakti(or sahitya discussions) thread or as a new topic here under languages, and post a link here as well..
Keerti,

Here is it: http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... havam.html

Sorry that I have taken so long to write this piece. Also, I have taken liberty and written a longer piece than what you would have expected.

My research work here at school is taking all the time and I'm not able to come to the forum often if you have noticed.
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#113

Post by vasanthakokilam » 20 Jun 2009, 21:20

Just a quick note: The excellent work of translators here are already paying off. A few days back, I realized that all of a sudden I am paying attention to the 'further' lines of telugu lyrics. Before all this, what stayed with me was the 'starting line of the pallavi', 'A litte bit of the beginning of the anupallavi' and may be a bit of the charanam. Now, when the artist sings the second line of anupallavi and if it has some words that has been elaborated in this thread, then the whole line comes to life. And all this, without even consciously trying to pay attention to the lyrics. Nice! Good work all the translators and contributors. Looking forward to more and more. Thanks.
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#114

Post by sridhar_ranga » 22 Aug 2009, 01:01

Thought this thread needs to be bumped again.....thanks a ton for the great work by Isramesh, Chetana, Keerthi et al so far. Request all to help us get to 500 soon, so that we can get hold of VK's PDF guide :)
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#115

Post by vasanthakokilam » 22 Aug 2009, 01:11

I was thinking of the same thing sridhar_rang, just to tell the translators and commentators we are still interested.
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#116

Post by S.Govindaswamy » 23 Aug 2009, 06:23

Vasanthakokilam- You wrote"
Just a quick note: The excellent work of translators here are already paying off. A few days back, I realized that all of a sudden I am paying attention to the 'further' lines of telugu lyrics."

You may be aware that Mr.V.Govindan in his blog site http://thyagaraja-vaibhavam.blogspot.com/ has been discussing Thyagaraja kritis with word by word meaning. He has covered all the songs and is going through a revision.
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#117

Post by vasanthakokilam » 23 Aug 2009, 06:37

S.Govindaswamy, Thanks. Yes, V. Govindan's site is the ready reference. I scraped his full Thyagaraja krithis document to come up with the word list histogram.
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#118

Post by gobilalitha » 25 Aug 2009, 07:06

I was all these days wondering why we miss the informative and educative contributions of Govindan, one of our knowledgable forumites .Now, I feel very happy that he is very busy with his highly informative contributions in his blogspot. gobilalitha
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#119

Post by keerthi » 25 Aug 2009, 20:49

will try and resume.. it takes soooo long to compose each instalment.. I probably am unnecessarily elaborate...
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#120

Post by gn.sn42 » 25 Aug 2009, 21:18

keerthi wrote:will try and resume.. it takes soooo long to compose each instalment.. I probably am unnecessarily elaborate...
For me, it's not unnecessary at all; the meanings and the details are valuable. Too often, I just extract the benefits of this forum and don't stop to express my appreciation; my apologies for that. Please do continue at your own pace; there's no deadline, and there are more people benefiting from your efforts than you might realize.
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#121

Post by arasi » 26 Aug 2009, 07:37

Yes, Keerthi. As gn sn says, your elaborations do help in that they make more sense. RasikAs can make connections with words they are familiar with in their own languages. This way, it is not a mere word meaning reference.
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#122

Post by vasanthakokilam » 26 Aug 2009, 08:53

I echo fully what gn.sn42 and arasi say.
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#123

Post by prabuddha » 28 Aug 2009, 19:14

Perhaps I may offer a suggestion. Sri TS Parthasarathi's book on Thyagaraja Swami keerthanai's has a glossary of hundreds of words. It gives the Telugu word in Tamil script followed by its meaning in Tamil. It is a carefully compiled list. It renders perfect justice to to the translation job. For example, if Thyagaraja Swami uses a pre-modern register of Telugu, the Tamil equivalent is exactly pre-modern. As an example, a word like 'banTu' is rendered in Tamil as 'sEvakan' and not as say, 'aDi AL'.

I think the computer savvy should convert this glossary into a database and add information so that the original Telugu word and its meaning may also be viewed in English.
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#124

Post by rshankar » 28 Aug 2009, 19:33

I am a bit confused - what is the difference between 'sEvakan' (a borrowed word, I guess) and 'aDi AL'?
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#125

Post by arunk » 28 Aug 2009, 19:59

aDi AL translates literally to "hit man" ;-) - of course it means someone to do your dirty work as well as other menial work

sevakan - "someone in your services as peon etc"

I would say both are similar but imply different connotations?

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