Tamil word for 'placeholder'

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#1 Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by vasanthakokilam » 18 Nov 2015, 00:48

I got stumped with such a seemingly straightforward question. What is the tamil word for 'placeholder'?

The context was something like this. 'Send the message to <placeholder>' Depending on the outer context, it will be changed to
'Send the message to Rama'
'Send the message to Lakshmana'
'Send the message to Krishna'
etc.

The ones I thought of are 'pOli' ( fake, which is not satisfactory ) or 'iDam odukkudal' or 'odukkiDam'( 'reserve a spot' or 'place set aside' - sort of OK but sounds a bit obscure and not even sure most people will get it ).

No big deal, just curious.

Any ideas?
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#2 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by sureshvv » 18 Nov 2015, 02:19

Uppukku chappani
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#3 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by Rsachi » 18 Nov 2015, 05:17

Kannada word would be "nEmaka"
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#4 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 18 Nov 2015, 06:50

oppukku chappANi...I have heard it used.

Oppukku (in comparison, a nAm kE vAstE)?? UrakE in telugu, sumnE in kannaDa in meaning.
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#5 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by vgovindan » 18 Nov 2015, 07:10

குறிப்பிட்டவர் - kuRippiTTavar
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#6 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 18 Nov 2015, 10:09

Of course, in sending a message context, kuRippiTTavar (kuRippiTta nabar) fits well.
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#7 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by vasanthakokilam » 18 Nov 2015, 10:43

Ok, thanks all.

Btw, don't take my context too literally, I was trying to describe the context of the usage for placeholder.
It is a placeholder for something, that is the important part. What goes in its place can be a thing, place, concept etc.
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#8 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by sureshvv » 18 Nov 2015, 12:27

O. Panneerselvam
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#9 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 18 Nov 2015, 20:09

Kokilam,
In Sureshvv's vein, thuNDu (towel). Don't know if they do it nowadays (they do, in concerts with any object they happen to carry): in a railway compartment, an early arrival spreading a towel on a seat until the fellow traveller arrives. May be an extinct thing, with reservations on line and all!
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#10 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by VK RAMAN » 18 Nov 2015, 22:44

thuNdu podarathu is very common when public feast is offered at temples to avoid missing the first line (seat pidikkarathu (reserving seats in old style). In US now a days we keep a bag or so for our friend or family if they come late!!!!
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#11 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by sridhar_ranga » 19 Nov 2015, 21:20

is palaanavar (பலானவர்) or palaanadu (பலானது) the word you're looking for, VK?
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#12 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by vasanthakokilam » 20 Nov 2015, 04:25

Suresh: :) In a way that captures the meaning I had in my mind, understandable easily by those who know TN politics. I see now where oppukku chappANi comes in as a very related word

Arasi, VKR, the thundu comes close to the placeholder concept, but it is more for reservation which is again a related matter. An interesting and humorous example is, in Chicago city proper, after you shovel the snow off the street parking space in front of your house, you protect it by placing your household items like Mattress, chairs and even couches. Yes, it is still practiced in the main city neighborhood streets every winter where street parking is a premium. (
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/1 ... 71978.html
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Sridhar, I do not even know that word. But taking a guess, it seems to be like 'Polymorphic' ( one item with many forms ). May be I am making an over reaching connection
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#13 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by Ponbhairavi » 20 Nov 2015, 08:05

How about kaabandhu? (காபந்து )
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#14 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 20 Nov 2015, 08:20

Sridhar,
I am familiar with the expression palAna which can also be 'appaDip paTTavar--so and so, so and so??

VK,
Chicago's 'dibs' is something new to me! Hard work, you want to come back to your parking place I suppose, but man is also territorial :)
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#15 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 20 Nov 2015, 08:23

PBHairavi,
That kAbandu sounds very much like a northern word come into tamizh.
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#16 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by Ponbhairavi » 20 Nov 2015, 11:21

tamil newspapers use the word காபந்து அரசு to indicate interim govt
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#17 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 20 Nov 2015, 21:33

Yes, PB. I see what you mean. Now, it can shift a bit and also mean: in the place of...so, we go on the merry go round of meanings. thuNDu pODubavarE thuNDAvadu pOl! How rich indeed is tamizh!

Sorry Kokilam for taking you farther away from what you wanted :)
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#18 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by harimau » 20 Nov 2015, 22:15

Submit this as a request to Dinamani.. Every Sunday, they choose a request and analyse the responses by several persons and settle on an answer.
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#19 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by harimau » 20 Nov 2015, 22:17

Ponbhairavi wrote:tamil newspapers use the word காபந்து அரசு to indicate interim govt
That means Caretaker government rather than Interim government.
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#20 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by harimau » 20 Nov 2015, 22:19

sridhar_ranga wrote:is palaanavar (பலானவர்) or palaanadu (பலானது) the word you're looking for, VK?
Probably not. Those words mean risqué, prurient, etc., at least in common parlance.
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#21 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by vasanthakokilam » 21 Nov 2015, 00:23

Let me take a different approach to the issue, hopefully more fun.

The sample tamil sentence is.

iyyo thona thonakkAdappA, enakku correcta theriyAduppA, ippa saddikku ida placeholdera vechchukko. Nalaikku solren edunnu
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#22 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 21 Nov 2015, 05:06

:o appappA, indat tamizhanbar tollai poRukkalaiyppA!
pArappA, melvAr, asai pODuvAr soRkaLaiyE--visaiyuDanE
paraparappAip parimARuvAringE--kOkilamE solvEn--enavE
chellappA sol alasum dina idazhkE, Harimau solvadu pOlavE :)
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#23 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by arasi » 21 Nov 2015, 05:29

In tamizh script here...

அப்பப்பா, இந்தத் தமிழன்பர் தொல்லை பொறுக்கலையப்பா!
பாரப்பா, மெல்வார், அசை போடுவார் சொற்களையே--விசையுடnE
பர பரப்பாய்ப் பரிமாறுவார் --கோகிலமே சொல்வேன், ஆகவே--
செல்லப்பா தின இதழ்க்கே--அரிமௌ சொல்வது போலவே :)
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#24 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by vasanthakokilam » 21 Nov 2015, 08:09

:) Arasi, Reading your poem is more fun now than the main topic. Thanks

Here is another example in the context of time rather than space.

'Here is a placeholder meeting invite and I will confirm once I know the customer's availability'.

I thought this is instructive because we talked about the meaning of 'reservation'. In this usage, 'reservation' is definitely there, the extra point is that it is not confirmed. There is no obligation that you keep the time reserved for this meeting. The implied obligation is you make your best effort.
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#25 Re: Tamil word for 'placeholder'

Post by kvchellappa » 21 Nov 2015, 08:14

Doubly sweet as my name comes indirectly!
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