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#476 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 24 May 2015, 16:20

Dear brother-member, sastrydevarakonda,

You need not worry about others response. Since a long time I have been receiving a number of emails from several people all over the globe that only our posts of this particular thread are far more inquisitive to the learners than the posts of any other thread and that they always give the first preference to our posts of this thread only as they all are not only logical and supported by the videos furnished in the ‘youtube’ but also beneficial to all our little kids in saving their invaluable time, energy and money in learning their music very fast and very efficiently.

To tell the fact, the Karnataka-music-syllabi of all the music colleges and music-departments in the universities on the globe are not at all logic based but tradition based. They won’t even agree with me in this respect. But, to my question ‘how many of the successful candidates are able to sing each of the Alankaras or Varnas both in Chaturashra and Trisra-gatis, very strictly along with Metronome, and to sing intricate mathematical Swarakalpana to the maximum number of compositions they have learnt?’ none of these so called teachers can give a justifiable answer. This itself obviously reveals their illogicality and irrationality in teaching. It is not at all an exaggeration if I write that these institutions are the sole breeding centres producing highly impotent musicians which I can prove, if needed, at any time and place. Again, all these impotent musicians, in the struggle of their survival, are compelled to settle as music-teachers all over the globe becoming a global menace deteriorating the standards very rapidly. If these syllabi are modified very strictly basing upon the logicality and rationality we can certainly produce not only talented professionals but also reliable teachers with high caliber.

To learn our Karnatak music efficiently and quickly the aspirant must be initiated to sing the notation or write the notation of any composition or Swarakalpana or Ragalapana independently on his/her own. But, to tell the fact all our maestros or legends or experts, being mostly of performer’s perspective, wantonly prohibited singing or writing any composition or Swarakalpana or Ragalapana in notation closing all the doors of the aspirant in learning music independently. When I have made provisions to open all these doors accordingly not only the process of learning is quickened but the efficiency also increased amazingly and unbelievably. But, as each and every maestro or legend or expert thinks and claims himself/herself not only a great performer but also a great teacher none of them, being egoistic and highly selfish, comes out either to discuss about the methods in learning music or even to standardize them for the sole benefit of the poor aspirants.

As per the ancient Shloka “Shrutirmaata Layaphitaa’, as all are aware, while Shruti is the mother the Laya is the father. But, unless the Laya, the vehicle carrying the music, is given the primary importance the aspirant will not get confidence to move further and further in the process of learning music. Unless our music-teachers realize this and do the needful accordingly all our aspirants are compelled to waste much of their time, energy and money in the process of learning for many years depending upon the so called teachers (cheaters). In general, except accompanying-violinists, all other musicians, being afraid of dealing with the intricate mathematical calculations, always talk against the mathematical Swarakalpana. But, as a professional-violin-accompanist and teacher, in strengthening the all-round abilities of our aspirants, I always train them in rhythmical intricacies only which instill abundant self-confidence into the aspirants.

For another example, as per our tradition, all the music-teachers on the globe, without any exception, start with Dhruva-tala-alankara. I too did in the same manner for many years. But, very sadly, while there are not even handful of compositions in this Dhruva-tala and no musician prefers to sing elaborate Ragalapa or Neraval or Swarakalpana in his/her concert in this confusing Tala, I do not understand, why a very small kid must be taxed to learn this Tala first while learning Alankaras? In the absence of any academic supervision in my entire service of 35 long years, this I realized only after 5 years after my retirement on my own, brought out Jati-alankaras to minimize the implications to the kid and started from the smallest Eka-tala-alanakara. By this, high level self-confidence is infused and all the kids are amazingly running very fast in learning our music further. Now, presently, I feel extremely happy that, even though some of them are hesitating to reveal my name in this respect, many of the music-teachers have been following this method and honestly helping the poor aspirants which is the main criterion.

In this novel method of learning I have initiated my great-grand-daughter. Chi. Padmaja of 14 yrs. old school-going kid, in the music-class held weekly twice by land-phone. I did never sing even Sa or Pa in any of the classes but initiated her sing both the Purvanga and Uttaranga of 9 select Varnas both in Chaturashra and Trisra-gatis, learn 5 or 6 Kritis with intricate mathematical Swarakalpana on her own hardly within only one year (the details of the respective urls are furnished in the above posts). Due to her heavy school load she was able to practice daily for two hours only on week-days and 3 hrs., on Sundays. This became possible when she absolutely relied upon all the needed notated, audio or video-files upto Varnas supplied even on the very first day of this music-lesson. If all our music-teachers do like this music learning certainly becomes quickened. But, as this leads to heavy financial loss none of these music-teachers are preferring this novel method.

Thus, umpteen times it has undoubtedly been proved that an efficient, honest, reliable music-teacher sings or plays less than 1% only but efficiently and properly initiates the aspirant to work hard for more than 99% and to learn on his/her own mostly relying upon the key-board, metronome, notations, audio and video-files. Without singing or playing themselves and making the aspirants also follow them in singing or playing if the music-teachers honestly and sincerely find ways to initiate the aspirants in doing things and learn things on their own in the process of learning music the aspirants can very quickly and efficiently do this. But, as all our maestros or legends or experts are not used to this kind of teaching and as also they don’t like to leave the aspirant in doing things independently many of them are not following this novel method. Adding fuel to the fire their egoistic temperament also will not allow them to discuss any of these methods in teaching with others. By doing so, basing upon the individual talents and hard work an intelligent aspirant proceeds faster and others slower. The person who can efficiently do this must be called ‘true-teacher’ and all others are nothing but cheaters.

Very recently I have held a Summer-Karnataka-music-camp at Hyderabad and basing upon these novel methods in learning our music very successfully trained ten talented kids pf the Residential Schools in the qualitative and logical method in learning our music very quickly and efficiently hardly within a week. Some of the details of it along with the respective urls are furnished in the thread, ‘Swaeroes’ amazing musical talents of the kids’ of the main thread ‘General Discussions’. It has undoubtedly been proved that logical method of learning music only helps a lot more to the aspirants than the wastefully elongated traditional method in saving their invaluable time, energy and money. However, while very few non-professional, honest and sincere people only responded properly professionals or music-teachers took each and every care in being tight-lipped. Thus, these professionals or the music-teachers can neither do so nor even appreciate if others do. That is the pity. amsharma
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#477 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by pmantra » 24 May 2015, 17:40

Its really amazing to witness the day to day progress of young swaeroes( telangana social welfare residential institutions kids) who are really trained in perfect logical scientific methodology by guruvugaru sri. AMS garu. On 1st and 2nd MAY 2015 they were NOVICE By 8 th MAY 2015 they could easily render chaturashram n trisram alankaras, 3,5,7 n 4,5,7 in ch n trisram respectively. They could go easily with symbolized muktayis even. To my surprise they started writing notation in the form of jatis for those symbolised patterns in roopaka, khanda chapu and misra chapu even. This is not to boast, infact to yell on top of my voice that " yes!! This is the perfect" path paved by sri. AMS garu to the present music aspirants.
Dr. Prasanna Mantraratnam.
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#478 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by pmantra » 24 May 2015, 17:46

i got this great oppurtunity to be part and parcel of that summer camp as I am one of the music teachers working in those institutions.
Dr.Prasanna Mantraratnam.
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#479 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by pmantra » 24 May 2015, 19:06

To be frank indian music is blessed with innumerable maestros, legends, experts, performers rather than a few finger countable music teachers. To refer, it has been learnt that there are two types of gurus DRONAS and SAANDEEPAS. Dronacharya, the great guru taught many and when top most disciple arjuna offered to choose gurudakshina, he asked for the head of drupada maharaja. On the other hand Saandeepa, lord krishna's guru, who is versed with MRITASANJEEVANI VIDYA, has passed his talent to his common disciple (without caring for the SHAAPAM that he himself will loose the ability if he preaches it to someone else) and could fill the life in a dead boy. who is the best teacher? the one who wanted his disciple to kill or the one who could make the dead one live with his disciple' s hands? This is applicable to music dronas too. They are just killing/ curbing music aspirants' creative minds of india by injecting illogical methodologies which is in turn passing over to next generations. Without experience, one can never speak the truth. Without tasting, one can never tell how delicious is a fruit is. One should experience on own.The same way, my experience in this summer camp 2015 revealed the perfect logical music teaching to me. Abhinava Saandeepaa guruvugaru sri. Akella Mallikarjuna Sharma garu proved this in my dept. Am the right person in my dept to authenticate the end result of this logical methodology. Now, NO REVERSE GEAR!!!
I BOW TO guruvugaru SRI AM SHARMA GARU from the bottom of my heart for rejuanating and strengthening my music teaching.
NINGILONA TELLA MEGHAM NALLABADITEYNE JHALLULU KURISEDI
CHETTUPAINA PUULU MOTHAM RAALIPOTENE PINDELU KAASEDI.
OKA UDAYAM MUNDARA CHEEKATLU VIJAYAM MUNDARA IKKATLU RAAVADAMANNADI MAAMULEY
Dr. Prasanna Mantraratnam.
Music Teacher (Adavimallela of khammam dist)
TSWREIS.
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#480 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 25 May 2015, 04:26

Chi. Sow. Dr. Prasanna dear,

The present illogical, irrational, elongating and wasteful methods of teaching/learning our music have been formulated by all our maestros or legends or experts only not only to facilitate their earnings but also to keep the poor aspirants always dependants upon these so called maestros or legends or experts who are mostly of performer’s perspective and very lesser of teacher’s perspective.

To tell the fact even a kid studying 8th class can very easily guide another little kid in writing or reading small words or sentences and not even a Matriculate is needed to do this. In the same manner to truly train a kid in the needed basics of our music another elder kid can certainly do it and no maestro or legend or expert is needed to do this. If the system of learning music is logically and rationally standardised even an elderly kid can also act as a guide to other little kid. But, most unfortunately, all these so called maestros or legends or experts have never allowed to properly standardize the system of learning our music as they have always been very busily engaged and always striving hard in their self-aggrandisement. For an example, in respect of the astounding techniques in our Violin-play, very pitiably, not even a single video has ever been brought out for the educational purpose to help the poor aspirants by any of the maestros or legends or experts in Violin-play as they all have always been very busily engaged and doing any thing for their self-aggrandisement only.

More over, logically what kind of knowledge must be inculcated among the aspirants in shaping them as musicians? Any aspirant must be initiated to learn singing notation or writing notation of a composition or Swarakalpana or Ragalapana independently. Why independently? For example, while learning cooking, if the teacher makes the aspirant sit in a chair and demonstrates cutting the vegetables and cooking the items on the hot oven there is no use in this practical oriented subject. In the same manner even while learning the driving of a motor-cycle, if the teacher makes the aspirant sit on the pillion and himself sits in the front seat and drives there is no use in this practical oriented subject. In cooking, unless the aspirant himself/herself cuts the vegetables and cooks the items on the hot oven he himself or she/herself feels different kinds of problems which can only be felt but not described in words or sentences. Even in respect of learning the swimming it is always preferable to push the kid into the water being ready to save him/her at any moment.

In the same manner in all my extensive experiments running since last many years it has undoubtedly been proved that this kind of self-learning only serves the purpose efficiently quickening the process by saving the invaluable time, energy and money. By scrupulously following these methods many aspirants are getting amazing and un-believable end-results.

On one side while even the kids from the lowest strata of the society are also able to bring out their amazing musical talents through these logical and qualitative methods in learning our music and, on the other side, while even the highly knowledgeable gentlemen and well-wishers, without any bias, are coming out open and extending their whole-hearted support to the immediate propagation of these novel methods in the society at large I do not understand the ulterior strategy of the so called maestros or legends or experts in being tight-lipped even upon these highly helpful developments to the poor aspirants and their enthusiastic parents in getting higher-level of music-education to their beloved kids. amsharma
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#481 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by vvssaraswathi » 25 May 2015, 12:31

Namaste to all the members of Rasikas.org

Dr Prasanna garu, under guidance of Sri AMS garu, proved that flawless teaching yield to best and surprising results, in a short span of time.
As Guruvugaru always says - time bound and result oriented education is needed for small children, we are able to get the feel now after seeing results of small children.

As other Rasikas responded, it is amazing and inspiring to see the small kids rendering 3-5-7 and 4-5-7 in a weeks time. Thanks to Sri AMS garu and Dr Prasanna garu for their affectionate and strengthened training to small children.

We heard about Swarabhangima institute at Neredmet, Secbad, which is run by Sri Eswarprasad garu and Smt Chidrupa lakshmi garu, under Sri AMS garu's guidance and visited for 2 days during Dusshera vacation and were very inspired.

Now, we had a great fortune to visit the institute for a week(11th May to 16th May), during summer vacation. We are extremely impressed to see the type of education being imparted on Children at that place, with great love and affection (With high level of discipline).

In Summer, they had organized the classes from 7AM to 1130 AM and again from 530 PM to 930 PM. The schedule is extremely impressive. They focus on Laya and Sruti equally. I felt to share what I have observed there for others benefit.

They divided the music syllabus into 14 quarters. Each child will be promoted to the next quarter, based on their performance.

- Every day they start the class with Sruti sadhana. They use a stop watch to see the lung capacity of EACH child and note down. Next day, they
compare with previous day and identify the gaps. This itself , I found amazing on first day. Group singing is allowed only to a very little extent, but
it is more of individual focused. There are about 50 students in the morning batch (combination of different quarters) and about 15 in the evening
batch (Seniors)


Morning batch :

- Monday, Wednesday and Friday - They primarily focus on Laya(Along with Sruti)

- Here, they start the class with 3-5-7, 4-5-7 and also 4-3 , 8-6 , 1-2-3-4-6-8(Jatis along with Alankaras) in all talas. They make every child
separately to sing. All of them together will sing all the laya exercises, along with alankaras. Any person singing incorrectly is made to write the Jati
and swaram for 5 times and sing for 50 times at home, to enter into next class (And surprisingly, this is followed/ accepted by children too !!! )

- Next, they make children to sing Jatis and bits related to swarakalpanas. Here, they make one person to sing Jati and the next person to sing
swaram. This is very interesting. The cycle goes on with each student. In this method, they ensure that before a kid enters into Keertanas, they
would know how to put swarakalpana, before starting keertanas.

- Then the Sarali, Geetam and batch are made to sing in 1-2-3-4 and Varnam batch students are made to sing in 4-6-8 (Along with metronome).


Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, they primarily forus on Sruti (Along with Laya)

- Here, after Sruti sadhana, children are made to sing Sarali, Janta, Datu, Alankaras, Geetam, Varnam (Depending upon which quarter they are)

- Each student is made to sing his / her new lesson and separate attention is given to each student.

- One aspect which I found very inspiring (And I did not see any where) is, small kids demonstrating varnam, along with kampitas and gamakas. At a very small age, a kid is made to understand the details of varna, which gives lot of confidence.

- Also, children who are in Geetas quarter are made to sing all 32 melakartas (With and without casio) on flat notes. Children who are in varnas batch are made to sing these melakartas with gamakas. Notes have to be written and demonstrated by children only.

Essentially, in this teaching method, Children are learning / singing 95% and teacher is only a guide and correcting the children. Every child is equipped with technology (Voice recorder or ipod or phone etc.,) where they have provision to listen to Guruvugari's rendering and able to note the gamakas and demonstrate accordingly.

I feel it is my sukruta to get associated with Sri AMS garu and his teaching methods.

Saraswathi
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Post by vvssaraswathi » 25 May 2015, 12:43

Adding to my previous post, little details on senior batches in the evening too.

Senior batch also consists of 10-14 year old children, who have been learning in this method only for last 3-4 years only !!!

Here, the classes are extremely interesting. Chi Sriram (Son of Sri J Eswar Prasad garu and Smt Chidrupa Lakshmi garu and also a student of Sri AMS garu ) conducts the classes.

Here every person has to sing one varnam and 1 keertana along with new lesson. Also, each person has to take one raga and sing raga and swarakalpana too.

After this, the class is divided into 2 groups. What is really interesting is, this is an every day competition. One group has to ask questions (It can be on theory, ragas, talas, keertanas, muktayis , raga lakshanas etc.,). One group will get only 10 sec to frame and ask questions and the other group will get 20 sec. Good part is , every one in the group has to answer to the same question in a different manner.

This questions can be extremely complex as well. In this way, children are made to think faster and respond back.

Being in music for 3-4 years, all these people in the evening batch are capable of singing at least for 2-3 hours in a kutcheri, at this small age. Very surprising.

It is a very nice and inspiring experience.

Saraswathi
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#483 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by pmantra » 25 May 2015, 18:52

Dear saraswathi garu
ur words are really alluring me to visit that institute and hope I will be there soon.
Actually, thought of taking voluntary retirement in this academic year as there is not much focus to classical music in my dept. But witnessing the end result of summer music camp 2015 of my dept, conducted by guruvugaru sri AMS garu I re- determined to grow up once again with the roots of sri. AMS teaching methodologies and prove the world that yes, yes n yesss!! thats the way I should teach karnataka music to the budding music aspirants of my schools.
This is the right bend for music in my dept.
hope this will never end.
Dr. Prasanna Mantraratnam.
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#484 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 26 May 2015, 04:28

Chi. Sows. Dr. Prasanna & VVSaraswathi

A unique music-competition is going to be held in our music-institution, Swarabhangima at Secunderabad and the jist of the respective rules of the competition are furnished hereunder. It is desirable to the kids to make them aware of these rules and to witness them possibly for their benefit. amsharma

Carnatic Music (Vocal) mini-concert competition
on 13th & 14th of June 2015, Saturday & Sunday.

1. Eligibility : The competition is for singers below 20 years of age only
(as on 1st June 2015). [Proof of age should be attached]

2. Syllabus :

Part - I : A Varnam has to be sung @ 4,6 & 8 units per beat.
i.e., both Purvangam & Uttarangam should be sung in Chaturashram First Speed,
Trisram Second Speed & Chaturashram Second Speed.

[For this, the participant has to send us a list of three varnams, out of which he/she will select one by lottery at the time of competition]
Duration : 10 mins

Part - II : Rendition of a kirtana with Ragalapana, Neraval & Swarakalpana. The list of kirtanas selected should necessarily be in Khanda Chapu, Mishra Chapu or Trisra gathi Adi thalas only, & of any composer.
[For this the participant has to send us a list of three Kirtanas, out of which he/she will select one at the time of competition by lottery]
Duration : 15 mins

Part - III : The participant will be asked to demonstrate/explain the intricacies & answer theoritical questions related to their performance, by the judges.
Duration : 5 mins
3. Regulations:

(i) Participants have to make their own Shruthi Arrangement.

(ii) Participants will not be disturbed for the total duration of their allotted slot
(i.e., 30 mins).

(iii) There cannot be any pre-decided choices of items either from the judges or
from the participants. Items will be decided only through lottery, on the spot.

(iv) All the specific conditions laid down should strictly be adhered to by all the
participants, failing which the participant will be disqualified.

(v) The decision of Judges is final.

(vi) Applications in the attached format should reach us on or before
1st June 2015 by post or email.

(vii) No accompaniments shall be provided/allowed.

4. Prizes :
(i) Ist prize :- Rs. 5000/- & a full length concert in the next year's
Annual festival of Sampradaya.
(ii) IInd prize :- Rs. 3000/- & a short concert in the next year's
Annual festival of Sampradaya.
(iii) III rd Prize : - Rs. 1000/-
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#485 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 26 May 2015, 06:49

Even 8 or 9 years back I have held the State wide music-completitions in Karnataka-music-Vocal consecutively for two years on my own in the same manner. But, very sadly, neither from any of the music-colleges nor from any of the music-departments of the Universities even peeped into the premises of these competitions. Even the respective teachers or the Principals or the Heads of the music-departments working in those institutions have become so thick skinned and head strong that none of them ever even feel ashamed for this. This is the state of deteriorating the standards in our great country.
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#486 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 26 May 2015, 13:54

At present, in the name of teaching music, all the music-teachers have been used to always sing themselves and make the aspirants also follow them in singing. Thus, an illusion has been created and established by them that singing by the teacher followed by the aspirant also singing itself is teaching music and nobody is even aware that this is merely an imitation but not learning music independently along with the needed grammer.

For example, while learning the cycling the balancing must be learnt and felt by the aspirant while cycling only. In the same manner even while learning the driving of a motor-cycle also the inter-relation between the operations of the accelerator and the clutch must be learnt and felt by the asp-irant while driving the motor-cycle only. No teacher can describe such things in words or sentences or teach them to the aspirant. Thus, certain techniques must be felt and learnt by the aspirant only in the process of learning. In the same manner, even in this invisible fine art, music, also the inter-relation of the intricate rhythms and notes must be felt and learnt by the aspirant only while going through the process of learning independently and practically.

To learn such things fast the aspirant has to spend a lot of time independently in the process of learning to get more acquaintance with the subject or the instrument. If it is a cycle or a motor-cycle or a car the aspirant can spend a lot of time in operating the respective instrument to get more acquainmtance with it. But, unfortunately, in learning this invisible music, all these maestros or legends or experts brought out a useless system in which the aspirant must rely upon the teacher and learn when the teacher finds time to sing. Thus, this paved way not only to increase the aspirant’s dependency upon the teacher but also to elongate the process of learning for many years very badly effecting his iinvaluable time, energy and money.

In my extensive research I have thought all these problems of the poor aspirants and found ways and means to make the aspirant work hard independently for hours together with the bearest minimum interference of the teacher. This amazingly made the process very fast and efficient in learning things on his/her own.

When this has very strictly been implemented in training the Swaeroes-kids very recently at Hyderabad under the constant and vigilant supervision of my disciple Chi. Sow. Dr. Prasanna the kids themselves worked a lot and attained amzing standards in singing even the intricate items of music. If this is implemented in all our music-institutions right from the primary level we can produce very highly talented kids in singing even the intricate items of our music most efficiently. amsharma
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#487 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by sastrydevarakonda » 29 May 2015, 15:56

29-5-2015
Namaste to members of Rasika.org
Iam here to express some of my feelings about the learning part of Veena.

First of all I thank the people who started expressing their views and making more people to understand the system provided by sri AMS garu and get benefitted by many people.

I would like to express some of my findings with the playing of VEENA for the benefit of my ambitious veena colleagues.

As I expressed in my previous post with the fluency over the instrument- that means, the easy flow of hand over the instrument to play any tough notation, which comes with- playing varnas @120 speed supported by laya exercises 3-5-7 and 4-5-7 in chaturasra and thisra gatis, paves way for playing swara kalpana in VEENA.

As I understood that, one has to put up good swara flow in Adiltala, either half (that is 16 swaras in four kriyas) or full avruttam easily is not an easy task, if one can produce easy flow of swaras in Aditalam, that proves his/her good practice.
To my understanding rendering of half avrutam in Aditala can go in any mathematical combination, which can be taken from first version of 3-5-7 in chaturasra gati.
What Iam following is,
i. (Ta ka dhi na Ta a)/ Ta aa aa a + ta ka dhi na + ta dhi ki ta ku. (7 + 4+ 5)
ii. Taa Aaa + Ta dhi ki ta ku + Ta dhi ki ta ku (6 + 5 +5)
The maths may be only the above two, but quite a number of combinations will keep coming as we sing, sing and practise more and more, then play on veena, finally if we can smoothly render 2-3 avruttas ending up with simple muktais, that will give a very good satisfaction.
With the latest recording facilities and with the aid of Matrinomo, if we play and record, we can anlyse and think of doing still a better job.

As Sri AMS garu keep saying Laya practise and Swara practise, builds your confidence.

yes, Iam experiencing practically and enjoying it, and Iam hopeful, that this I will we be doing on the stage with more perfection. Thanks to AMS methods.- Sastry
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#488 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 30 May 2015, 12:14

Dear brother-member, sastrydevarakonda,

Yes, dear. What you have reiterated in your post about the regular practice of 3-5-7 jatis in Chaturashra-gati and 4-5-7 jatis in Trisra-gati is absolutely true. Yes, the aspirants must, at the first instance, be initiated in very regularly practicing such rhythmical intricacies to get their rhythmical abilities stabilised to proceed further and further independently with very high level self-confidence. Unless the teacher himself/herself is not efficient enough to initiate the aspirant the aspirant himself/herslf cannot do such things.

Even if you go through the http://www.rasikas.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 71#p282771 of ‘Swaeroes’ amazing musical talent of the kids” you will certainly find that these kids of the A-group could attain this high level self-confidence through different kinds of rhythmical exercises hardly just within four or five days only. No doubt, many of the kids, in general, have abundant talents to rise even to such high level complex exercises if an efficient, honest and reliable teacher/guide vigilantly initiates them in a well-planned manner. Mostly, all this lies in the efficiency, honesty and reliability of the teacher. How many music-teachers on the globe, irrespective of their stature, even render these exercise efficiently, at the first instance, and later, ably initiate the aspirants properly? Not even one in thousands globally! But, my disciple, Chi. Sow. Dr. Prasanna, very successfully did it without singing even Sa or Pa or exerting herself for more than 1%. How many of the present teachers can do so?

For example, in the same thread in the 11th post on 20-05-2015. I have made an open appeal to the able and efficient music-teachers not only to produce such talented kids came from such down trodden families in such a short time but also to upload their videos to ‘youtube and to furnish the respective urls in this thread for the benefit of the aspirants. But no music-teacher yet did so. To similar appeals, since last 6 or 7 years, no music-teacher had ever responded positively. That is the efficiency of our music-teachers.

Later, having become amazed by this excellent performance of these kids two noble persons came out open and acknowledged the need to propagate these easy methods extensively. Among them one person had, then and there, announced to donate Rs.5,000/- along with an open appeal to that extent in http://www.rasikas.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25533 in the General Discussions while all others, having their own conservative, egoistic and regional reservations are merely observing and enjoying the fun. By this scant response we can very easily assess the selfishness and dis-interest in helping our poor kids.

In the same manner, even though Dr. Pappu Venugopalarao truly and truthfully felt his duty and responsibility as the Secretary of the Music Academy in helping the aspirants and tried in the December season 2013 and 2014, twice, by raising the point of discussion about the easy methods in learning our music. But, as the members of the panel are afraid of splling out their own beans, none of them did show any interest in this respect.

Even if we take the scant participation of the members in the thread ‘Music school’ we can very easily assess their dis-interest in this respect. However, having spent my Govt. service as a professional teacher-cheater and realized later, I have my own views in this respect to act accordingly mainly in safeguarding the interests of our kids. amsharma
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#489 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 06 Jun 2015, 02:04

Hi all,

Since my entrance into this forum, even though I have very honestly, sincerely and always been striving hard to positively serve and help our kids in saving their invaluable time, energy and money in learning their music through various kinds of easy methods it is very severely heartrending to note that my behaviour has, unfortunately, been found fault and lead to the closure of the genuine thread ‘COMMIT AND DONATE FOR AMS EASY METHODS LEC-DEMO-CHENNAI’. Hence I hereby step out of this forum forthwith. amsharma
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#490 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by thanjavooran » 06 Jun 2015, 06:17

Dear AM Sharmaji
The forum will be loosing an able guide. Let us sink all our differences and continue to serve the music society. Presume an hasty decision. Please reconsider.
With regards
Thanjavooran
06 06 2015
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#491 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by msakella » 06 Jun 2015, 06:57

Dear brother-member, thanjavooran,

I am always open to any kind of criticism at any time and place. That is why I am able to openly bring out the barest facts at any time that too to help the poor kids but not for any self-aggrandisement. But, other parties are unable to bear with it and could not come out open to defend themselves, at the least, as they also are aware of their mis-deeds.

In which way the ruling party is a must to any country in the same way the opposition party is also a must. Unless there is constructive criticism there will never be any development at all. Having very closely and practically seen the horrible plight of the poor aspirants and their parents my heart burned unbearably, then and there I gave up even my lucrative artistic life, even after my retirement sat and prayed for a way out and this qualitative AMS Easy methods in learning our music came out from my self criticism only. Thus, each and everybody must invite criticism even for his/her own development.

This kind of closure of this kind of the most genuine thread, ‘COMMIT AND DONATE FOR AMS EASY METHODS LEC-DEMO-CHENNAI’, which is very highly helpful to the kids all over the globe is not at all healthy for our music aspirants or even music. This kind of closure certainly obstructs the healthy development of it. If this closure is removed I have no objection to come and sit with all our brothers and sisters who have all along been bearing with all my odds and ends. amsharma
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#492 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by pmantra » 06 Jun 2015, 12:32

thanjavooran wrote:Dear AM Sharmaji
The forum will be loosing an able guide. Let us sink all our differences and continue to serve the music society. Presume an hasty decision. Please reconsider.
With regards
Thanjavooran
06 06 2015
Presume a hasty decision.
Kindly be clear whose?
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#493 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by VK RAMAN » 06 Jun 2015, 19:17

My way or highway does not work in social media. The loser will be the one who quits. This is true of any human interaction irrespective of the level of relations we have including our own biological relations IMHO
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#494 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by pmantra » 07 Jun 2015, 09:49

Namaskar
who is the winner i dont know but the most productive young carnatic music aspirants will loose if there is no result of the innovative critisism .unfortunately the REAL DOORS OF MANODHARMA WERE CLOSED FOR DECADES TOGETHER. When someone GOT the KEY we are not accepting. The thread might have been locked when the issue was burning. But it has been locked when the issue was solved. This type of locking has given another issue to discuss. Who knows! I am afraid if in future, this thread may be victimised. Rasikas, ofcourse is a great platform but if the admn keeps on locking ( two threads in this connection locked) the realities to the public who is going to help it out? Its the responsibility of every rasika that their contribution, in whatever form, should give fertility to music cultivation. For every developmental cause there is black and white. Two sides of the coin should be known to keep ourselves aware of the realities. And now, if we are not in a position to accept counters or encounters, better not give any OPEN status. Fix a rule that "only praises or applaudings should be posted here".
Just as an instance, Before buying a product, we all will go through customer reviews to know pros and cons.and if there are no reviews, we will just either buy blindly or just loose it in real.
LEARNED LEGENDS say THINK TWICE before you act.
Hope my writings are not taken in negetive sence.
Let we, music teachers give the real success key to the upcoming generations.
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#495 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by vvssaraswathi » 07 Jun 2015, 12:33

Namaskar.

As Dr Prasanna rightly said, I am also surprised to see that the Lecdem thread was locked when the issue was almost at the resolution. In the first place, let us not call the discussion happened in the lecdem thread as a issue. Of course there were change of opinions between people , but there is no grudge seen against anyone by any other person. That thread was only to see that something good can happen for children with easy methods.

Anyways, my intention is not to extend the lecdem thread here, but definitely it is a great loss if Sri AMS garu leaves this forum.
Also, we all may have to agree to a fact that, even though Rasikas is meant to share happenings in CM, some times, we have to accept the fact that it can be used as constructive criticism, which helps everyone in this forum.
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#496 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by sastrydevarakonda » 07 Jun 2015, 17:22

7.6.2015
Namaste to members of Rasika.org
The column under General Discussion “COMMIT AND DONATE FOR AMS EASY METHODS LEC-DEMO-CHENNAI’ which ha been very helpful and useful to the ambitious music aspirants and music learners all over the globe, and that column has been blocked for their own reasons.
As someone expressed ‘there were change of opinions between people , but there is no grudge seen against anyone by any other person’.

That thread was only to see that a proper path of learning would get established and once the learning methods are standerdised and made known to whole the cross-section, the real aspirants would get the best method and be able to derive the benefits.
For any noble cause, which comes to open debate, there will be positive as well as negative criticism, from all those people with their own thoughts, and finally the real/sustainable system will emerge out. For any body who is looking for a healthy future should look for healthy and sportive discussion, only to end up with good answers.

As it is known, with the established way of music learning only very few people are able to derive the results, but the major community not able reach to the mark for want of proper learning system. This has been felt by Sri AMS garu and he debated within himself so much for the solution, and finally with the grace of god, is able to bring out a good system which has been well received by quite a good cross-section, in the society and for the past few years and that has been really helping the real aspirants of the society.

Those who have any questions can get clarified about the system from SriAMS garu, for the benefit of the society, and in-turn let the society get benefited.

Answer never lies in closing the door, only debate with open mind for the welfare of the society brings out the answers. Fortunately the debate reached a good stage where, the system is about to go for open discussion in Chennai, and that would have answered all the points.
So the request for look for open lecture demo, and bring out the successful/useful system to the society. Sastry
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#497 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by sastrydevarakonda » 12 Jun 2015, 16:42

12.6.2015
Namaste to members of Rasika.org
The column under General Discussion “COMMIT AND DONATE FOR AMS EASY METHODS LEC-DEMO-CHENNAI’ which ha been blocked for their own reasons.

We all fell very unpleasent for blocking the column, because, through these columns we are able known many things. As far as my knowledge goes, there has always been a good learning cross section for the music, but due to the prevailing system, many gave up and killed their interest.
In most of the occassions, no student is bad, because, when he/she is very serious about music, then only they join for music. But most of the cases, we see, no good musician comes out of any traditional schools, if at all if someone is able to prove himself/herself may he/she is either related/kith and kin of those professional gurus.

Looking into all these facts, Sri AMS garu, felt the responsibility for the good guidance, and he designed a good method which has been proving with good results all over.
The same thing he wanted the system should reach the more aspiring, for which, he has been working hard to bring this closer to the learning community.
In this process, in the interest of society, let the system go for open debate in the music rich society, that will answer the questions and doubts of the society and definitely the needy will avail the opportunity.
So please lift the ban, and let people know about system, let hectic task reach the mass for the healty music rich society- Sastry
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#498 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by pmantra » 12 Jun 2015, 20:59

- ā no bhadrāḥ kratavo yantu viśvataḥ (1.89.1 rigveda) /
आ नो भद्राः क्रतवो यन्तु विश्वतः /
A no bhadraaH kratavo yantu vishvataH (Let good (thoughts) come from everywhere, from all the world)

We all should have this openness in mind to aquire the best availabe knowledge from the world and no doubt that these ams easy methods are very much helpfull to both the cm aspirants and mentors.
Somehow there was a vacuum here for a few days and we missed your able guidance in this thread sri. AMS garu. There can be a coma (,) but no fullstop for the real learning and that too for generous free guidance in this so called MAYA MOHA PRAPANCHAM.
So please be kind enough to come back for the sake of forthcoming young CM aspirants.
We need your valuable critics n suggessions through which we grew till this extent.
Dr. Prasanna Mantraratnam.
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#499 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by vvssaraswathi » 12 Jun 2015, 21:56

I agree to Sri Sastry and Dr Prasanna. There are lot of people who are being benefited by Sri AMS garu and his methods.
This music school thread has been very useful to everyone. We are missing his valuable suggestions and constructive criticism.
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#500 Re: AMS Easy Methods 2007 CD - Teaching and Learning Methods

Post by sastrydevarakonda » 12 Jun 2015, 22:19

12.06.2015

Namaste to members of Rasika.org
I have been in learning process of VEENA for quite long time, but when I came under the guidance of Sri AMS garu, he kept asking me few questions, as and when I visit him for guidance, like,

 Are you practicing Varnas – Varnas are with a fixed notation, without thinking you can practise. Yes sir, I started doing,

 Are you practicing Varnam @120, because, fluency over the instument will come only with speed. - Yes, I started doing,

 Though on Veena I found it tough in the beginning, but slowly, I increased and now - I start my day with 120 practise, then Iam feeling very comfortable with his Ragaalapana notation, and enjoy the melody of the notes.

So the need of the hour is, how one should go with it, and what one should pratise to get the real pulse of music, for this one needs good guidance, not the real teaching, but and only the good guidance.

As Dr. Prasanna Mantraratnam rightly expressed, “AMS easy methods are very much helpfull to both the cm aspirants and mentors. And sri. AMS garu your absence in these columns created a vacuum here for a few days and we missed your able guidance in this thread .” So please be kind enough to come back for the sake of forthcoming young CM aspirants. We need your valuable critics and suggessions.

So Sri AMS garu, you are above all these mundane feeling as far as teaching of music is concerned. If some X writes some thing in some of these columns or some one blocks some of the threads for their own reasons, it should not matter for you, and many people are looking forward for your suggestions, it is not one or two, many would get benefited by your valuable suggestions. We look forward for your valuable suggestions. SASTRY
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