Teaching/Learning Karnataka Violin

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vasanthakokilam
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#76

Post by vasanthakokilam » 25 Sep 2007, 04:05

Sam, what you write about right clicking and saving works for mp3 and .wav links but not for YouTube. You need other tools for that.
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Post by Sam Swaminathan » 25 Sep 2007, 05:52

vk.....HELP !!!! PLEASE !!!!!!
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Post by Sam Swaminathan » 28 Sep 2007, 02:37

Hi Ganesh

Hope you have not forgotten me.....!!!!!

thanks.....sam
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 28 Sep 2007, 02:51

Sam, I sent you an email with a possibility. Did that work?

Also try this: http://www.xilisoft.com/download-youtube-video.html
It also comes with a .flv player.
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Post by miss_mercury » 02 Oct 2007, 13:54

Dear Sharmaji,

I am astounded by your enthusiasm and dedication to this field. I greatly appreciate the videos that you had posted, which is of immense help to me. I'm just a beginner in this field, i've just started to learn to play the violin, an year and a half back.
I'm learning to play varnas these days and find it really hard to play gamakas, it is then i found this great thread you had started.
Now I am learning to play gamakas watching the videos, and Varnas doesn't seem to be hard anymore, your videos have made me confident! I can't thank you enough, sir..

Seeking your blessings..

and, Thank you very much indeed Sir!

Rasi..
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Post by msakella » 02 Oct 2007, 17:55

Dear sister-member, miss_mercury, I felt extremely happy to know that my earnest service to the cause of music through these video clippings is really paying the required dividends by becoming truly helpful to the aspirants like you. Even though it takes some more time plans are afoot to play and provide nine more Varnas including Bhairavi-Ata-Varna along with Bhairavi-Svarajati. By all this if a Violin-aspirant meticulously follows them and practices them regularly he/she will definitely get a very good base to become a successful Violinist.
If the teacher, being truly efficient, sincere, affectionate and loyal, teaches, initiates and guides his/her students and the students also, in turn, put their efforts sincerely the things become very easier to the students. To the aspirant who has the required rhythmical instinct it is not at all difficult to get through if the true teacher guides him properly. Teaching or learning Varnas is highly crucial in music, which decides the future of the aspirant. If you have any doubts you can contact my ID ‘msakella2002’ either by Yahoo messenger or Skype and I am always ready to serve people like you. With best wishes, amsharma.
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Post by miss_mercury » 03 Oct 2007, 16:13

Dear Sharmaji,

Thank you very much, I shall certainly not hesitate to contact you when I come across any doubts. I'm looking forward for the nine Varnas to practice and once again thank you very much indeed for all the effort and dedication. I Wish i lived in India to learn from you in person.

Seeking your blessings...

Rasi..
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Post by bhsham » 06 Oct 2007, 16:38

I have been listening to Carnatic Music for few years now. It has however been only 6 months since I started attending violin classes. I am in the geethams stage now.

I am wondering if anybody could help me out with how should particular swaras be rendered in playing a raaga to bring out its true form? (viz., idea on which swaras needs to have the touch of adjacent swaras, which of them need to be prolonged etc.). Just so that I get the correct perspective at the initial stage itself.

The geethams that are a part of the material that has been provided to me by my teacher include -

Sri Gananatha/Kundagoura/Padumanabha - Malahari
Vara Veena - Mohanam
Kamalajaladala - Mechakalyani
Analekara - Suddha Saveri
Kamalasulochana - Ananda Bhairavi
Sri Lola Sritapaala - Malayamarutam
Mandaradhare - Kamboji
Jaya Jayaa - Begada
Sr Girijasuta - Aarabi
Meenakshi Jaya Kaamakshi - Sri
Vani Veena - Hindolam

Any advice would be of immense help.

Sharmaji -
I am being trained by Vidwan G.S Ananda's spouse. I was told that Ananda sir is your disciple.

~ Bharath
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Post by msakella » 06 Oct 2007, 20:17

Dear brother-member, bhasham, You are well aware that a long procees of hardwork is there to arrive at the level to construct a sentence in a language. In the same manner there is a long process to go through before finding the different facets of notes. It is not that easy to write here about it. However, it is easier to explain these details by talking on Yahoo Messenger or Skype (my ID is ‘msakella2002’ on both) if you already have the knowledge of the 12 notes of an octave irrespective of the number of Gitas you have already learnt. If you are interested you contact me like that.
Shri G.S.Ananda of Yelahanka, Bangalore, is a very good friend of mine but not disciple at all.
amsharma.
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Post by bhsham » 06 Oct 2007, 21:00

Dear Sharma Sir,

Thanks a lot for offering to help. I have added your ID in my Yahoo Messenger. When are you usually online? - Just so that I can seek your advice then.

Regards,
Bharath
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Post by msakella » 07 Oct 2007, 06:06

Dear brother-member, bhsham, Generally, if the power and my computer are ok and If I am in the station, I shall remain online around 7am and 8pm daily. If you want any particular time you can suggest in the instant message and I shall try to remain accordingly. amsharma.
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Post by msakella » 07 Oct 2007, 06:08

Dear b/s-members, Today I am uploading the last two video-clippings in which Natakuranji-adi-varna is played in the 2nd of speed and 12 video-clippings of Kambhoji-adi-varna for the benefit of the aspirants along with the respective links as furnished below. For the benefit of the aspirants I have included the Violin-play of the 2nd degree of the respective Varna also.
While uploading them some video-clippings were not furnished with the embedded number but with URL only. I do not know what URL means. I know a very little of music and nothing else. However, I am furnishing all the details I got and the aspirants can try on their own visiting Youtube and searching for ‘karnataka-violin-lessons’ or ‘karnataka-violin-edxercises’ or ‘varnas-demos’.
In the details ‘AA’ indicates Arohana and Avarohana of the Raga, ‘P’ indicates Pallavi, ‘A’ Anupallavi, ‘M’ Muktayisvara, ‘C’ Charana, ‘C & E1’ Charana and Ettugada-svara-1, ‘E2’ Ettugada-svara-2 and so on, ‘Pur.’ Purvanga and ‘Utt.’ Uttaranga. amsharma.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNWlRZO8mk
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWkhy8XuEs
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otoDI8rcMDk
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eawRtBqPihA
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwWt4AotBVA
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yizgf9gQoSk
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U21-Mnaupag
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTgYuK8cFtw
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go6rmNbH6wg
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjWUbSzKh00
11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqiBbdLr61I
12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGTWPAPitJM
13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbt6UgfmsfA
14. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxdubeVSPxg
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Post by bahudari » 08 Oct 2007, 11:32

All videos uploaded by Sharma sir can be accessed at http://www.youtube.com/msakella . There are about 40 videos now.
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Post by msakella » 21 Oct 2007, 07:55

Dear b/s-members, Today, on the auspicious Vijayadashami day, wishing every success to all the aspirants, I have uploaded 11 video-clippings of Darbar-adi-varna for their benefit along with the respective links as furnished below. Among them.’3.04’ of the Muktayisvara created some trouble and to overcome that I had to upload it 3 or 4 times every time changing the title. However, being a non-technical man, I am furnishing the available link, which may give you the ‘Muktayisvara’. In the details ‘AA’ indicates Arohana and Avarohana of the Raga, ‘P’ indicates Pallavi, ‘A’ Anupallavi, ‘M’ Muktayisvara, ‘C’ Charana, ‘C & E1’ Charana and Ettugada-svara-1, ‘C & E2’ Charana and Ettugada-svara-2 and so on, ‘Pur.’ Purvanga and ‘Utt.’ Uttaranga. amsharma.
01. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCqqpC6qnQQ
02. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRfb9c5Ykw4
03. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvDliikxz10
04. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMjxwlJMdWw
05. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od4hy5HPFHw
06. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxqb4dAEj-A
07. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfaY1eXZA00
08. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44pmaZDH0D4
09. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTraPyA92s
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3GxlQQm3jM
11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPUhECZHsQI

Notes: The original link for item 04. http://www.youtube.com/v/9fc-fcqEPyE is inoperable.
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Post by Suji Ram » 21 Oct 2007, 12:21

msakella ji,
Thank you so much for uploading darbAr varna. It is my favorite varna.
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Post by msakella » 21 Oct 2007, 14:00

Dear sister-member, Suji Ram, Unfortunately I was unable to upload the Mukatayisvara of this Darbar-adi-varna. I am thinking of finding a way out for this. amsharma.
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Post by msakella » 22 Oct 2007, 07:36

Dear b/s-members, The 4th item of the above video links pertaining to Darbar-Adi-Varna-Muktayisvara has become inoperative due to some unknown technical reasons. Today I have tried in some other different way to upload the same and, only God’s grace, I have succeeded and now I am furnishing it hereunder for the benefit of our aspirants. amsharma.
04. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMjxwlJMdWw
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 22 Oct 2007, 07:54

msakellaji, thanks very much for all your efforts. I have updated your original post with the new link for item 4.
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Post by msakella » 22 Oct 2007, 08:20

Dear brother-member, vasanthakokilam, Thanks a lot for helping me every time. amsharma.
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Post by msakella » 23 Oct 2007, 19:04

Dear b/s-members, As many are aware, learning music is tougher than learning any other subject upon earth, as instinctive capabilities are also required in learning this art and, also along with heavy mental exertion, much strenuous and regular physical exertion is also a must in learning this invisible art of sound. For regular practice and also for learning the regular lessons the most precious time between 3 a.m. and 12 noon is highly preferable to attain high standards by giving the first preference to this art. More over, in addition to all the above, it is very important to note that, even before 15 years of age, three-fourths of the required practice of the art, at the least, must become over. In the process of day-by-day gradual increase of the age the possibilities to invest much of the mental and physical abilities gradually decrease discouraging the aged aspirants.

At this juncture, generally, the Violin teachers start Varnas in the Ragas Mohana, Hamsadhvani with plain notes and Shankarabharana with minimum Gamaka and many of the students learning Violin lag behind in the left-hand-finger-techniques by starting with these Varnas. By this mostly many of them drop in the middle and only a very few of them proceed further. In our Karnataka music we have three notes, Sadharana-gandhara, Shuddha-madhyama and Kaishiki-nishada, which have to be used mostly with Gamaka having higher range of Gamaka in the traditional treatment than any other note. Even among these three notes while the Shuddha-madhyama has to be played with the middle-finger alone the other remaining two notes, Sadharana-gandhara and Kaishiki-nishada have to be played with the group of three-fingers, pointing-finger, middle finger and ring-finger. If the students are trained in such a way that they get much acquaintance with this higher-range of traditional-gamakas which incorporate the group of these three fingers they will get confidence in playing these traditional-gamakas and become able to proceed further and further in Violin-play. Basing upon this logic and also to instill self-confidence in the Violin-students I have introduced bow-less practice of different exercises, which I have furnished in some of my video-clippings for the benefit of the aspirants. After finishing these exercises first without the bow and later with the bow I start the 3 Varnas in these ragas, Natakuranji, Kambhoji and Darbar, covering the above three critical notes and later teach the Varnas in Shankarabharana, Kalyani, Begada, Todi, Saveri, Bhairavi and lastly Svarajathi in Bhairavi, in the same seriatim by which much of the finger-techniques will be covered after which the student can learn Kritis on his own without much dependency upon the teacher.

At this juncture, it is also very important to note that any student, unless he becomes able to reproduce the 28th exercise of the mp3 CD properly and successfully, cannot go through these left-hand-finger exercises successfully due to lack of the required level of Laya. Even though many of the Violin-teachers will not agree with me in this respect I have found this truth by experimenting upon a number of Violin students. That is why I have demonstrated and furnished some of these Laya exercises for this purpose in my mp3 CD that is available from http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~chandra/. Even though this teaching of violin should only be made face to face with the student I am also trying to find the possibilities in teaching this through Yahoo Messenger or Skype, which helps learning Violin even by being far away from the teacher.

Keeping all the above in view, till now, I have uploaded 51 video clippings pertaining to Laya-exercises, Violin-lessons and Demonstrations of 3 Varnas in the Ragas Natakuranji, Kambhoji and Darbar through Youtube.com.

At this old age of 70 yrs., even though I have long ago given up either the Violin practice or even the profession of Violin but teach only 1 or 2 truly talented full-time students without charging even a single pie from them, I, being a non-technical man, have undertaken the strenuous job of recording all these video-clippings and uploading them for the benefit of our aspirants (Of course, on the other hand, I am also engaged in bringing out another modified version of the mp3 CD carrying many different exercises and Varnas along with the audio-tracks containing the details of all the Gamakas of Karnataka music). But, till now the response received from the aspirants towards either the ‘Talaprastara’ or the ‘Easy Muktayis - their utilization in Svarakalpana’ is not much encouraging and even the response towards this ‘Teaching/Learning Karnataka Violin’ is also very meagre. So, hereafter, taking also my physical and mental healths into consideration, I have decided to proceed further, only taking the future response and the improvement from the aspirants into consideration. amsharma.
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Post by dattag » 25 Oct 2007, 10:41

Dear Sharma Garu, my pranams to you.

I got enormous amount of learning from your videos that you posted in you tube. I am practicing the Janti varasai and alankarams with Gamaks as you demonstrated. I am still in stage of learning Geethams and very much looking forward to make use of varnams videos when I come to that stage.

Thanks a lot... I am sure the effort you have put in might be siliently educating lot of aspirants like me.

Best Regards
Ganesh Datta
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Post by msakella » 26 Oct 2007, 09:07

Dear brother-member, dattag, Out of my teaching experience in Violin for 40 years I can tell that in Indian Music Violin teaching or learning is very highly complicated and at every millimeter there is every scope of getting one defect or other in the usage of fingers while playing it. At the first instance the teacher must be efficient in teaching and a professional artist, take the responsibility of the student and be always vigilant upon the student not to let him get acquaintance with any wrong fingering. For this, the student must practice in the presence of the teacher only at every stage. But, this is not possible with the students remaining at far-off places like you and thus they get into wrong fingerings which is very difficult to get out of them. A person may not have good habits, but, he should not have bad habits. This very well applies to Violin-play, in particular. People may think that I am always used to exaggerate things. But, as I have never been taught Violin properly by any teacher in my life and I had undergone so many hurdles in becoming a Top-rank Violinist.
I am very well aware that, unlike the bad things, good things start working very slowly and silently. I feel extremely happy to receive your response and, at the same time, to know that my efforts are becoming useful to our people, even on slow pace.
Last time you wrote in you post No.52 that you would meet me at Bangalore but you did’nt. Even in this month I was in Banglore for 3 days on the way to Chimoga for a Lecture-demonstration. Had you given me your phone number, at the least, I would have made a phone call. Even now let me know your postal address and phone numbers to enable me contact you if I go over to your place again. As the video pictures lag behind in Yahoo-messenger or Skype, you better try to send me some video clippings of your Violin-practice through e-mail, if possible, to enable me see them and properly guide you, if needed. With best wishes, amsharma.
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Post by dattag » 26 Oct 2007, 09:46

Dear Sharma Garu,

I am extremely thankful for your kind guidence and offer for helping me & other aspirants . I will definetly make use of this.

I attended your lecture in Mallesshwaram, Bangalore. Frankly speaking I was not very confident to meet you. So I left the place after the Lecture. My sincere apologies. Hopefully I will not miss the opportunity next time.

My Residence Address:

Ganesh Datta
#1622, 6th Main, E Block , AECS Layout, Kundalahalli, Bangalore- 560037

(M) 9986017460
E Mail: [email protected]

We will be delighted to have you at my residence. Please mail me your bangalore visit details to my Emai ID mentioned above.

Pranamams
Ganesh Datta
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Post by ganesh_mourthy » 26 Oct 2007, 16:47

Dear Sharmaji, namaskarams,

we had exchanged words before in this forum. I heartfully appreciate the service you do to the carnatic world. I learn music for few years now and of course I found your tips and clippings really beneficial . The single finger practice of kalyani practice is good . though i have practiced it i never tried beyond upper ga in the second string. I am practicing it in your way and it definitely disciplines my finger. I have been closely watching all the varnams . it really helps to in incorporating various styles of play. Please dont cme to the conclusion that no one benefits from your work. apparently your string is the most visited in this forum.I have in fact downloaded all the video clippings using a software and my friends learning violin regularly practice as per your instructions. I had even asked once if you could give more details of your style of brigha and gamaka playing. but i did not want to further pressurize you considering your age. Dear sharmaji, your hardwork and unselfishness will definitely have its fruits. i always look at your string when i open up if there is anything new/.i am typing this in spite of my busy schedule in my office. i ll come back to you later.
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Post by msakella » 26 Oct 2007, 20:46

Dear brother-member, dattag, I shall definitely inform you about my next trip to Bangalore and make it a point to visit your residence. If possible try to send a video clipping of your practice session of all the exercises.With best wishes, amsharma.
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