Swara Identification Exercises - Post Questions Here

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#1

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 01:55

This thread is the haven of dabblers and babblers among us who cant sleep unless they can identify swaras in songs. We (not necessarily only me) will take turns in posting small samples and with associated "exercises" in terms of swara and phrase identification. This is not a quiz and the hope is for people to be bold in attempting this and sharing their answers - even if they are wild guess. The objective is not to see who is most knowledgeable, but to increase our knowledge of swara identificaton. (Mod edit: Please refer to http://www.rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?id=3624 for further background on the origin of this thread )

Note that the person posting the sample is free is phrase whatever question(s) they want to phrase. Also, that person n may-not/need-not know the answers themselves :) In other words, even he/she is a learner here. There is no quiz-master.

Also when we move on to the next sample, and who will post it etc. will be decided later on.

Answers must NOT be posted here. Please use http://www.rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?pid=58728 for that.
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#2

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 01:58

Here is the first sample: http://arunk.freepgs.com/tmp/identifyin ... ample1.mp3

It is a raga alapana, a reasonably long one.

Exercises
1. Identify the raga and thus its swaras
2. Identify the singer (ok, not really swara gnyanam related :))
3. Identify as many time indices as you can where the swaras in the raga occur in the sample in mandra (lower), madhya (middle) and tara (upper) octaves. Note that not all swaras may occur in all octaves. (Hint: It may be easy to first concentrate on plases where musician is hovering on a swara)
4. Break-down the swaras for the very first phrase of the alapana - Time Index 3.1s to 10.2s
5. Identify time indices where the swaras ga and da appear with their characteristic gamakas for this raga. Mention time index, swara (or swara combination), type of gamaka


Again: Please do not post answers here!. Post it in the discussion thread http://www.rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?id=3624 , please prefix your answers/guesses with Sample 1.
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#3

Post by Suji Ram » 18 Sep 2007, 02:08

Arun,
A downloadable version would be good, since I would work on it on my commute or in places away from computer.
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#4

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 02:09

?? why cant you download this? Its just an mp3 file on my private space here.

You should be able to right-click at the link and the browser should let you download and save it to wherever you want.

Arun
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#5

Post by Suji Ram » 18 Sep 2007, 02:10

Thanks. I didnt think of it
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#6

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 02:51

please also let me/us know if the questions can be phrased better or easier or what. I dont know if they came off too generic etc. On thinking now, for (3), I should have just have picked a few specific time spots and asked for identification of swaras?

Also regarding 5 - I think that was going too much of a quiz angle (and hence I may be overreaching my limited knowledge)
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#7

Post by arasi » 18 Sep 2007, 03:01

I heard it. Know the singer and the rAga, but I will wait for you experts to discuss it!
Suji, talk about quiz, and whose name did I see on the margin a few minutes ago, you think? I hope my eyes didn't trick me! I don't think I am dreaming...!
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#8

Post by Suji Ram » 18 Sep 2007, 03:11

arasi
Ya.. He is with us...he just need a little prodding to be back with us. :)
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#9

Post by Suji Ram » 18 Sep 2007, 03:21

arunk wrote:Also regarding 5 - I think that was going too much of a quiz angle (and hence I may be overreaching my limited knowledge)
Is OK. If we can't answer we'll learn.
At least you did not ask what song she is going to sing. :)
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#10

Post by cmlover » 18 Sep 2007, 04:37

Arun
shall we not go for a simple two stage process?
1. Identify the raga (including aro/avaro)
which is straight forward
2. Find the svara construction of the posted sample
(in other words 'svarapuDutthufy' (our favourite phrase from yore) the musical phrase.) I guess that is the crux.
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#11

Post by Suji Ram » 18 Sep 2007, 04:57

cmlover wrote:Arun
2. Find the svara construction of the posted sample
(in other words 'svarapuDutthufy' (our favourite phrase from yore) the musical phrase.) I guess that is the crux.
I ended up doing that anyways, since many swaras occurs within 1 sec. Unless there is a stop for each swara which doesn't really occur we cannot point all with time but a general ballpark.
Nice exercise though.
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#12

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 05:31

cmlover,

Maybe I am not understanding what you are saying but my set of exercise questions are indeed along those lines. I think there is a possible step between those two - which is identify the swaras atleast in places they occur prominently. While this is part of swara construction, it is a much easier first step. That is why I had it (as my #3).

swarapaduthufying the whole alapana is a huge task I think. If one can do that now, the one is "beyond the dabbler/babbler level" :)

Arun
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#13

Post by ramakriya » 18 Sep 2007, 06:41

Arun,

I have not followed these threads for a while - Are you trying to get some kind of postulate or statistical results?

-Ramakriya
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#14

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 07:01

ramakriya - no. This is just for fun. It came up in the other thread - a couple of members suggested it.
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#15

Post by vasanthakokilam » 18 Sep 2007, 08:27

I have created another thread for posting the answers and discussions about the answers: http://www.rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?pid=58728 . Arun, I edited your first post in this thread with this info. Hope that is OK.

Ramakriya: The idea originated in this thread http://www.rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?id=3624 while discussing how we can improve our swara identification skills and swara gyanam.
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#16

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 08:48

thanks vk. No problem.
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#17

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 09:26

i have posted some answers as a way to kick start.

Please do not let it stop you from posting your answers even if the same. Post whatever you have even if someone else has already posted it
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#18

Post by cmlover » 18 Sep 2007, 10:18

Arun
The sample mp3 you posted is 171 KB and plays for 11 seconds.
(http://arunk.freepgs.com/tmp/identifyin ... ample1.mp3)
Where do we get timelines like 38secs etc ?
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#19

Post by s_hari » 18 Sep 2007, 10:22

cmlover, please try agian, i just downloaded from this link
http://arunk.freepgs.com/tmp/identifyin ... ample1.mp3

The file size is about 2.7MB, and it plays for 3 min.
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#20

Post by vasanthakokilam » 18 Sep 2007, 10:56

CML, I had the same problem the first time I downloaded it. I tried again and got the full thing.
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#21

Post by cmlover » 18 Sep 2007, 11:01

I have tried a couple of times and still got 171KB. The d/l starts and then just quits. Perhaps I should try later in the day. Wish me luck !
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#22

Post by vasanthakokilam » 18 Sep 2007, 11:10

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#23

Post by arunk » 18 Sep 2007, 19:32

Sorry about that. I dont know why it happened - I guess it had something to do with freepgs

Maybe I should have used rapidshare but then I thought the link would expire etc. (not that where I put it now is a permanent spot)
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#24

Post by cmlover » 18 Sep 2007, 20:28

Thanks VK!
got it through firefox which is reliable :)
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#25

Post by ninjathegreat » 18 Sep 2007, 22:02

Ok, here is one instrumental piece.

http://www.cens.nau.edu/~nv9/etc/identi ... ample2.mp3

Same questions as above; I thought have an instrumental piece in tandem might be useful...

Link should be reliable... (edited to conform to arunk's nomenclature)

Cheers
Ninja
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