Swara Identification Exercises - Post Questions Here

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Suji Ram
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#51

Post by Suji Ram » 21 Sep 2007, 22:58

(Suji, you gave away the answer here in this thread for the instrumental piece though it is an easy one. ).
oops..sorry.
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cmlover
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#52

Post by cmlover » 23 Sep 2007, 06:12

OK! Since you asked here is the next question.
http://www.mediafire.com/?a1jalpbwr9x
The raga is quite straight forward. Since Suji wanted this is a longer piece (I prefer shorter!). Since there are five phrases you can if you like split as first two as one set and the last three as second set.

For newcomers, the question is: to identify the svara structure of the phrases

I will decode the answers next Friday giving all sufficient time. The discussions can continue all the time. Remember we are interested in the methodology and the logic of inference than the answer. Of course the discussion of the 'posited' ragalakShaNa is part of your discussion!

And do post your answers and discuss onlyat
http://rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59143#p59143
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#53

Post by arunk » 23 Sep 2007, 20:59

> The raga is quite straight forward.
ha-ha nice joke cmlover ;)
(unless you meant raga identification - which I think you did)

Arun
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arunk
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#54

Post by arunk » 28 Sep 2007, 03:08

So are we done with these exercise? Who is going to volunteer with the next sample :)? Perhaps an instrumental one from a (not too fast) kalpana swara section maybe?

Arun
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cmlover
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#55

Post by cmlover » 28 Sep 2007, 04:06

Arun
I have yet to post the answer to sample 4. Also I was hoping there will be a discussion based on the clip that I posted. Again, Ramakriya has posted a challenging Filmy clip. Let us not be like the Rameshvaram barbers :)

Of course a nice clean short and simple instrumental piece will be good to work on! I wonder why vikram is notparticipating in the instrumentals!
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#56

Post by cmlover » 30 Sep 2007, 02:03

While Arun is working on getting a problem for us to work on, here is a four second quickie,
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6xebpf
Try to figure out the notes. This may be quite easy or quite difficult depending onyour approach which you should explain. Bonus marks if you can guess the raga from this short phrase!
hereafter we will not wait for more than 48hours for posting the answer! Go ahead and discuss!
and new comers do post your answers and discuss onlyat
http://rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59143#p59143
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arasi
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#57

Post by arasi » 30 Sep 2007, 02:35

Got it, I think.
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ninjathegreat
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#58

Post by ninjathegreat » 01 Oct 2007, 23:13

Hi cml sir, arunk, etc...

I volunteer to put the bits up in my webspace for ease of access... If there is no objection, I can provide the links...

N.
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#59

Post by cmlover » 02 Oct 2007, 01:14

ninja
Thanks and that will be great. Also let us make sure that no 'names' are attached to the sample clips since we are only interested in the raga/mela/svarasthana....

Just provide the link where the sample can be u/led..
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#60

Post by cmlover » 02 Oct 2007, 09:44

here is a quickie instrumental. Let us first see whether we can identify the svaras before going complex. The object is to get all the svaras in this 8sec clip. Some of you may consider it a Child's play :) But let me assure you it is tricky! Also I can find out if you are cheating :)
Here is the sample 6
http://www.sendspace.com/file/r5byij
ninja can u/l to his site and provide the link that maybe easy of access for all.
Kindly post all answers and discussions at
http://rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59805#p59805
Good Luck!
I will provide the answer in 48 hours.
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arunk
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#61

Post by arunk » 03 Oct 2007, 23:35

Since we already got the last one (check the thread), I hope it is ok to start the next.

Next one - sample 7: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jek7lz

Note: Updated to remove tags that mentioned raga and artist (albeit vocal)

I have slowed it down a bit from the original speed. This is part of kalpanaswara portion and so the tail end is the refrain part. You can leave it or include it in your answer.

Kindly post all answers and discussions at
http://rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?pid=59805#p59805

Have fun!

Arun
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Suji Ram
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#62

Post by Suji Ram » 03 Oct 2007, 23:42

Arun,

Are we supposed to just give swaras?
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arunk
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#63

Post by arunk » 03 Oct 2007, 23:52

doesnt it just say sample7.wav? I just now downloaded and play it. I must be missing something here - where are you seeing the raga name and artist?

Arun
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Suji Ram
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#64

Post by Suji Ram » 03 Oct 2007, 23:53

I have the answer ready anyway :)

You need to edit the original tag while renaming
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arunk
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#65

Post by arunk » 03 Oct 2007, 23:56

oh well :) At least it did not have the swaras too ;)

Arun
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Suji Ram
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#66

Post by Suji Ram » 04 Oct 2007, 00:07

You can repost it with tags removed. The usual suspects are not around. I have also edited my posts
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#67

Post by vasanthakokilam » 04 Oct 2007, 00:09

One of the usual suspects is around ;), I downloaded it, listened to it once and as I was thinking about it, I saw Suji's post. I will still try to get at the swaras later on.
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#68

Post by ramakriya » 04 Oct 2007, 00:09

Suji Ram wrote:You can repost it with tags removed. The usual suspects are not around. I have also edited my posts
One of the ususal suspects :lol: is here :P - Anyway, I will skip answering it immediately!

-Ramakriya
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#69

Post by arunk » 04 Oct 2007, 00:13

i updated it with tags (hopefully) removed.

suji - If you want you can delete the contents your post mentioning the raga - Not that guessing this raga should be hard.
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#70

Post by arunk » 05 Oct 2007, 22:32

Next one. This is one is admittedly harder than the previous few but it is also a little bit different and I thought this would be fun.

Sample #8: http://www.sendspace.com/file/uwo3zp

Questions
1. The raga (hopefully no tags to give it away now! But this should be easy even otherwise)
2. There are two swaras (i.e. one of sa, ri ga, ma, pa, da, ni, sa) in this raga that occur in 2 flavors (i.e. two different swarasthanams). All four (i.e 2*2 = 4) occur in this sample. Identify the spots.

Bonus questions
3. Identify other swaras in the raga that occur - as many as you can in this sample.
4. Swara breakdown of entire sampe (i dont have the answer - so we will have to do this collectively).

Have fun! Please do not post answers here - use the answers thread.
Arun
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ramakriya
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#71

Post by ramakriya » 05 Oct 2007, 23:06

Arun,

I am not posting the answer here :) But your description, limits the answer to a very few rAgas, even before I listen to it :cool:

-Ramakriya
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Suji Ram
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#72

Post by Suji Ram » 08 Oct 2007, 21:30

Here's the sample 9 which I created myself.

1. Identify the swaras and swarastanas
2. Identify the raga

Bonus- Try to add your own swaras to finish... :)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bqxntr

And please post answers here.

http://rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?id=3675&p=3
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#73

Post by cmlover » 10 Oct 2007, 00:25

Sample10 is unique in that you have both what the artiste sings as well as the violinist responds. Here it is
http://www.mediafire.com/?1y0gstgcd3m
Listen to both and check whether the violinist responds the same or not; if not what is his response.
We always mentally assume that the accompanist responds the same phrase most of the time. But is it true?
Post your answer and discuss @
http://rasikas.org/viewtopic.php?id=3675&p=4

No credit for guessing the raga :)
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arunk
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#74

Post by arunk » 10 Oct 2007, 01:16

cmlover - IMO, the intent during kalpanaswaras is really for the accompanist to simply respond "in spirit" (or in kind). So his/her response isn't required to exactly mirror the vocalist's' response. But the "in spirit" and "in kind" does imply that the response should highlight the main points (say prominent swaras) of the the main artist.

So the accompanist does in general follow but not necessarily to the tee. Requiring the latter all the time, I think can get rote and boring (and also quite difficult for very long passages)
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#75

Post by ninjathegreat » 11 Oct 2007, 03:39

cmlover wrote:ninja
Thanks and that will be great. Also let us make sure that no 'names' are attached to the sample clips since we are only interested in the raga/mela/svarasthana....

Just provide the link where the sample can be u/led..
ah! there's the problem... I have unlimited space at school (helps being a faculty :)), but only I can upload it! :(... If you email it to me, or, when a piece is uploaded, I will put it there... I can guarantee it will be a reliable link...

Cheers
N.
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