Create Carnatic Music notations online with this new sofware

To teach and learn Indian classical music
kmrasika
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#76

Post by kmrasika » 28 Feb 2008, 11:21

The big change is support for the "grantha Sa" character i.e. the one for Siva Sakthi (the one you find in Slokam books).
arunk: Thank you for the update. This will be certainly useful for us.
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arunk
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#77

Post by arunk » 04 Apr 2008, 20:22

A new release (v1.2) of the CM Notation Typesetter is now available at http://arunk.freepgs.com. This release has the following features/enhancements:
* Improved Look and Feel
* Open/Save feature - now you can save notations to a (text) file on your computer and open it later in the typesetter. Previously you had it do this manually by copying the contents to clipboard and pasting it into notepad or a text editor.
* Support for Khanda triputa
* Bug fixes for Tisra Eka and Tisra Triputa

Please let me know if you have any questions or run into problems.

Arun
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arunk
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#78

Post by arunk » 18 Aug 2008, 23:09

A new release (v1.3) of the CM Notation Typesetter is now available at http://arunk.freepgs.com

Details can be found here: http://arunk.freepgs.com/wordpress/cm-t ... lease-v13/

It is basically a minor release.

Arun
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raguanu
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#79

Post by raguanu » 12 Oct 2008, 13:12

arunk wrote:Note that this software is under what is known as Gnu Public License (GPL), which means it is free.
Arun,

Thanks for the wonderful program, and especially for releasing it under GPL. But I couldn't locate the source code in your site. Please release the source code (perhaps in google code?) so we can chip in to improve the program.

Here are some of the problems I encountered :

1. Telugu letters are rendered incorrectly in Firefox 3. (r n ga sa etc. )
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Rendering is fine in Google Chrome, and Internet Explorer 7. Firefox renders other Telugu web pages correctly.

2. Printing Issues:
- Only First page gets printed (as pdf).

- Only first few lines are printed unless everything is zoomed out completely.

- some more funny symbols when printed as pdf (Firefox 3)
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s:  sa ;  ni` ; | da` , p`| p` p` p` p` ||
- Chrome and IE prints include the scroll bar.


Cheers,
Ananth
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arunk
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#80

Post by arunk » 12 Oct 2008, 21:22

Thanks for the feedback Ananth. The source is under SVN on sourceforge.net: http://cmnt.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/cmnt/

I will look at the other problems when I have more time. Chrome - I have not yet worked to get it working on it. As for PDF etc. which PDF driver are you using? There is no firefox vs. IE specific code - and so I am not sure what the telugu script problems are etc. It is possible that it is related to Unicode Indic support not enabled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... ng_support) - I am not sure now, but I think this is mentioned in the manual. I dont see what you are seeing w.r.t either Firefox or the funny chars for PDF.

Arun
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raguanu
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#81

Post by raguanu » 12 Oct 2008, 22:23

Arun,

I'm using the open source PDF Creator (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/). I also tried with PDFill PDF editor's printer driver, and print to file (ps).

Those funny symbols in Tamil seem to be my pdf creator's problem. Direct printing was fine.

Thanks for the help man.

Cheers,
Ananth
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tapas
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#82

Post by tapas » 23 Oct 2008, 10:18

hi i would like to know how do i use ur software for me to print carnatic classical songs with swaraas and sahithya.
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arunk
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#83

Post by arunk » 23 Oct 2008, 20:52

You can check out the examples (as suggested by the website) at http://arunk.freepgs.com/wordpress/nota ... -examples/

Also pl. consult the manual: http://arunk.freepgs.com/cmnt/manual.pdf

Arun
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arunk
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#84

Post by arunk » 23 Oct 2008, 20:53

raguanu,

I did notice now that with the last release printing is messed up with scroll bars appearing. I will take a look at this and fix it.

Thanks!
Arun
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raguanu
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#85

Post by raguanu » 29 Oct 2008, 22:12

oh, Thanks arun.

It's an immensely useful software. It'll be a pleasure to see it gets improved.
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arunk
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#86

Post by arunk » 28 Nov 2008, 02:51

The above mentioned printing problem (a regression introduced in the last release) is now fixed. Printing also is now easier as I have added a Print button.

Thanks
Arun
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arunk
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#87

Post by arunk » 21 Feb 2009, 22:10

Version 1.4 of the Carnatic Music Notation Typesetter is now released (http://arunk.freepgs.com/wordpress/cm-typesetter/about/).

This release contains the following improvements:
* Support for new talas: All 35 talas are now supported in catuSra gati. You can use the Assist button to select these talas.
o To use other gatis with these talas, you can use the Gati directive. Note however that the typesetter may not layout the notations appropriately for more more complex gatis with longer talas. In such cases, you now have an alternative with the Manual tala as explained below.
* Manual Tala mode and SongBreak directive: There is also support fora new tala called Manual. With this tala, you take control over the notations - particularly the tala markers as well as line breaks. Tala markers are put out only if you explicitly specify them (as | or || ) in the swara directive lines.
o In order to make the typesetter to go to the next line of notations, you must explicitly specify a break via the SongBreak directive (also new to v1.4)
o Note also that with Manual mode, the notation typesetter would be unable to align successive lines at the tala anga markers.
o The Manual tala is useful for capturing snippets of a raga alapana, or for typesetting notations for a song whose tala layout is too complex to be automatically handled by the typesetter.
* Bug Fixes: This version also includes some bug fixes.

Thanks
Arun
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MuseOfLife
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#88

Post by MuseOfLife » 05 Jun 2009, 16:46

Personally I use this PDF Creator. It is also free and generates good PDF.
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niyer
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#89

Post by niyer » 27 Jul 2009, 19:19

Hi Arun

Started using the software and it is amazing. Im facing a small issue.

Im using IE 7.0 and noticing that the gamakas from the input pane are not getting relected in the typesetter pane . What could I be missing. My sample notation is as follows

Layout: Krithi,Compact
Tala: Adi
Heading: "Eeswara Kshemam Vendi",bold,Center,22
Gati: Tisra
S: n , s' p , , p , p p m r s s s r m p p~ , n p , ,
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arunk
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#90

Post by arunk » 27 Jul 2009, 21:00

Thanks. Let me check it out. Have not tried IE 7.

In the meantime, please try on FireFox if you can.

Arun
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msakella
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#91

Post by msakella » 29 Jul 2009, 07:34

mohan wrote:vg - it is widely recognised that there is still no perfect system for notation of Carnatic music. Whatever symbols we use it is very difficult to notate gamaka. Sri Subbarama Dikshitar and others have attempted it but the notation system needs to convey the exact gamakam required on every single note of a composition. I think this impracticle. The bhava which you refer to comes largely from the gamaka in the ragas.
I agree with you that ‘there is still no perfect system for notation in Carnatic music’ but, at the same time, I cannot agree with you that ‘it is very difficult to notate gamaka’. Till now, many have not even attempted for it and nobody made it very easy to a common man. That is true. But, basing upon umpteen experiments, I have symbolised almost all the oscillations and I can assure you that I can notate any composition far nearer to the song sung than any other notation. At the same time I shall also feel that this is not the final and, being Carnatic musicians, our duty is to always remain optimistic (but not pessimistic at all) and evolve to make it fool-proof to a common man. amsharma
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arunk
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#92

Post by arunk » 29 Jul 2009, 20:27

niyer,

I tried on IE 8 (I guess it is the recent one - so I installed it), and it seemed to work fine for me (?)

akella-ji: Although I am not sure when I can spend enough time on this, I would like to get your permission to be able to represent your gamaka symbols in my online software - but obviously only if it is ok with you (just FYI: that the above is free software)

Arun
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msakella
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#93

Post by msakella » 29 Jul 2009, 21:02

Dear brother-member, arunk, I am trying my level best to properly notate all our oscillations in music with symbols. In this process I brought out some symbols and each and every symbol resembles the travel of sound only. I never think this is my property to take my permission to use them. I always think this is our property and any body can use them to evolve a fool-proof system of notating our compositions. You can use it in anyway you like to serve the cause of our music. amsharma
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#94

Post by arunk » 29 Jul 2009, 21:22

Thank you akellla-ji. Your outlook and attitude is an inspiration to all of us.

Arun
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msakella
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#95

Post by msakella » 30 Jul 2009, 06:56

Dear brother-member, arunk, Everybody is supposed to behave magnanimously. Nowadays, as very few people are behaving like that, I have become conspicuous among them. There is nothing new in me. We don’t bring anything along with us and, at the same time, we are not going to take anything along with us except the invisible list of bad and good things we do when we are alive. That is why everybody must try to increase the good things of that list. That’s all.

I shall be very happy if you work for the betterment of these symbols in writing efficient notation of our compositions and inform me accordingly. amsharma
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niyer
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#96

Post by niyer » 03 Aug 2009, 18:06

Hi Arun

I installed Firefox 3.5.1 on my laptop but still cant get the gamaka symbols to work . Will check with my desktop and update

thanks narayan
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niyer
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#97

Post by niyer » 09 Aug 2009, 08:19

Hi Arun

The gamaka symbols did not show up on my desktop as well. Is there something I need to do to map the gamaka symbols to the glyphs in the typesetter pane? some system settings/IE settings ? Really wish I could get past this constraint and use your software which is very powerful

thanks and regards
narayan
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arunk
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#98

Post by arunk » 09 Aug 2009, 19:17

I am not sure. Let us hoop via email and we can dig into this deeper. Once we find the problem and solution, I can post the details here.

Arun
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balakk
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#99

Post by balakk » 12 Aug 2009, 21:52

Interesting. Now that you are planning to notate even the gamakas, you should have a fairly accurate representation of the music.
From there, wouldn't it be possible to translate the notation to MIDI, and play it out? Might be a fun exercise, and would delight your users. I'm kinda interested in the reverse process though; extracting the swaram from a rendition. I understand there are some WAV to MIDI converters that do this to some extent, but doesn't look like a solved problem by any means.
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tpchakrapani
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#100 Re: Create Carnatic Music notations online with this new sof

Post by tpchakrapani » 23 Nov 2010, 19:40

can anyone send me a link to download the software regards
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