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#101 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Nick H » 19 Aug 2013, 14:22

You may have not got everything
Quite right, and I suspected as much, and it might be too subtle even for my wife's translation, so I'd rather read it as it is. Part of the skill of the writing is that it is accessible and funny to a non-Tamil speaker. It takes great brilliance to make a TV program like Sesame Street that entertains adults as much as children, or to write a book like The Master and Margarita which is eminently readable to a person even though much of the contemporary Russian political satire may be over their head.

My hat flies off to Ponbhairavi :D
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#102 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 19 Aug 2013, 20:00

Thank you very much Nick and Rajesh.
I know that humour is not to be elucidated . But in view of the international readership of our forum let me furnish certain clarifications which may be useful in understanding certain cultural practices of the olden days of my generation,now inexistent
even in tamil nadu.
Some grihasthas who do not have male progeny take to sanyasa in the last few days of their life called aabath sanyas. and get sainthood.(eg. Saint Thyagaraja, Sengalipuram Anantharama Dikshithar) For them no shraddam, only aradhana The 15 days period preceding the aradhana thithi are for austerities. Some sabhas conduct their series for 15 days! coincidence ?.
The dishes mentioned were real items of yester years menu fast disappearing now
Puli nagam is a g(old) ornament consisting of a small dollar incrusted on the sides with2 small symmetrical curved projections
like the the 2 ivories of the elephant made with the bits of the claws of the tigers (obtained from Nari koravars). children wear it as chains and adults tie it around their biceps in red thread. It is supposed to ward off evil spirits
the names of SKs are real reputed cooks of yester years- names or towns changed-including saattai venu and the anecdote attached with his name.
- raghu vamsa Sudha in kadanakudoohalam noted for the speed
rasa vALi reminding raga rasAvali
eLLu puNNakku cakes(after extraction of gingili oil ) is a good cattle feed- ref-" Gallopping" 10 miles
rajagopalan
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#103 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by arasi » 19 Aug 2013, 21:57

ponbhairavi,
For those of us who appreciate your sense of humor in verse and prose, another treat.
rasa vALi full of pannIr rasam!
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#104 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by mohan » 20 Aug 2013, 09:37

Great story about the Samayal Kalanidhi!
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#105 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 20 Aug 2013, 13:40

Arasi, Mohan,
thanks for your kind words
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#106 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by vgovindan » 25 Aug 2013, 19:03

Ponbhairavi wrote: Some grihasthas who do not have male progeny take to sanyasa in the last few days of their life called aabath sanyas. and get sainthood.(eg. Saint Thyagaraja...
Traditionally, Apat samnyAsa is taken at a critical juncture faced with death (not because someone does not have male progeny). Adi Sankara took Apat samnyAsa when was caught in the grip of a crocodile; but, as later events would prove, that was only a ruse.

A person of the stature of SrI tyAgarAja, who composed songs like 'paramAtmuDu veligE muccaTa' where he defines the very nature of paramAtma, is a 'sadyO-mukta' (instantaneous liberated). Such songs are not word or musical ornamentations (vAkya or SabdAlaMkAra). There must be some other sUkshma because of which he opted for Apat samnyAsa.
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#107 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by rajeshnat » 25 Aug 2013, 20:48

shri VGV
nice to see a post of yours after a long long time
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#108 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by arasi » 25 Aug 2013, 22:38

Govindan,
Good to hear from you!
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#109 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 25 Aug 2013, 23:11

Welcome back Sri Govindan
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#110 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Pratyaksham Bala » 04 Sep 2013, 17:12

Ponbhaivai:

Why a person opts for Apat samnyAs, is purely subjective. In almost all cases, we are not privy to the reasons for his decision to take to samnyAs.

But we can discuss a few basics.
The second-birth is considered as dead when one takes samnyAs. A few formalities are done to confirm death, so that samnyAs becomes the third birth. With this, the person is rid of all the pApAs committed in the second life.

However, a person becomes eligible for taking samnyAs only after he goes through the three ordained stages – brahmacharya, grihasta, and vanaprasta. And there are a number of other conditions too. If all the criteria are to be applied strictly, most of the persons may not be eligible!

For them, the easiest way out is to go for Apat samnyAs, which means 'instant' or 'fast track' samnyAs. It is just a matter of self-declaration that they are taking samnyAs. How to justify this? The convenient excuse is 'vairAgyA', and this is oft-quoted as the only requirement. VairAgyA being a purely subjective matter, it is beyond questioning!

During the course of time when a few popular personalities resort to this method, it becomes handy for others to follow the same method, to overcome the eligibility criteria and to avoid the long, strenuous, time-consuming route.
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#111 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 05 Sep 2013, 18:43

IF IT IS NOT THERE IT MEANS THAT IT IS MISSING

It was a Sunday evening.In my agenda there was the wedding reception of a relative of mine. From the beginning I could see that my wife was not very keen to go and she was dragging her feet though she did not openly say so.
-why don’t you get ready, it is time.?
I have no matching blouse for this new silk saree
This one seems to be Ok.
Aiye! It will be like you and me, total mismatch.
Then chose another saree for which there is matching blouse.
The wardrobe key is missing.said Mohan a- that is my wife’s name.
How can it be missing? Search for it.
I am searching since lunch.I kept it right here. Now it is not here. That means it is missing.
Did you look on the dressing table ,drawers,atop the cupboard?
I have looked for it every where.It is missing because it is not there.
How can a key disappear by itself,unless it has been made to disappear? I said with a little sarcasm.
I have the main door key,garage key, fridge key,puja room key only this one is missing.
Then I will go alone and tell them that you are unwell
I came to my room, went for the car key which I used to keep on my table. Well it was not there!
Mohana I yelled,where is the car key?
Is it not there on the table?
No I said angrily.
That means it is missing.
How can it go missing?
See in the car.If it is in the car that means it is not missing.If it is not there also it means it is missing.
And then Mohana added”I am not the custodian of keys”
Of course not.
In this house there are too many rats. Yesterday night I kept a vada on the dining table and now it is also missing. I have been telling you to find a better house but you won’t listen
My car keys have simply vanished.
Simple logic. Who stand to gain if the keys are not available now? I know the answer but if I say that the house will become Lok Sabha.
I was angry and disappointed. Suddenly I remembered about my scooter.” I am going to a carnatic music concert to calm myself and get a mood change.”She does not like CM and I know that she would not come.Seing me going out clad in dhothy she was relieved that I am going really to the concert.
I went to the sabha,parked my scooter, got a token, purchased a ticket and went in.Half an hour should have elapsed from the commencement. I caused many knee-jerks, and disgruntled murmurs, including that of my friend Nick in front of whom there was a vacant chair. I smiled sheepishly at him and occupied that chair and settled. The vidwan was extolling about the Raja Margamu advantages in kharaharapriya.
CM, slowly calmed me down. It was 8-45. The thani was about to commence when my cell phone rang. It was my wife.I switched it off hurriedly. I did not dare to look behind me but hurried out. This time I did not disturb many as all people in my row were clearing the way ahead of me.
Once out, I said : yes Mohana..
See she said gleefully, I have found the keys, If you come home right now we can go to the reception.
No I said sarcastically we will go for their next wedding.
- Their next wedding?
- Yes their shashtiabdapurthy. Now I am going to enjoy “thani”. I switched off came in and took a different seat.
- The concert was over in half an hour. I came out went to the parking to get my scooter.
- Surprize!! It was not there. I Yelled at the security. Where is my scooter? I parked it right here.
- If it is not there now it means that it is missing.
- How can it be possible? Here I have my token.
- If you have the token it means that the token is not missing.
- Wait you cannot talk like that, I have my token as proof of my leaving my scooter here.
- Then you can take it.
- ( To be continued)
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#112 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 05 Sep 2013, 20:24

Leaving us in a suspense ... :D
Did you get the scooter back?
Did you find the car keys?
What was the reaction of Mohana on your getting back home?
Was the tiff with her worse than the Lok Sabha scuffles?
We will wait patiently for the answers to all these "life-threatenin" questions till the next episode...
:D
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#113 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Nick H » 05 Sep 2013, 22:11

This must have been a fictional Nick. At only half an hour from the start, the real Nick might not have reached the hall yet!
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#114 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by arasi » 06 Sep 2013, 02:19

It was Nicholas Nickleby :)

Ponbhairavi,
Moi, waiting to hear the rest of the story too...
Ah, do you and CML remember the 'going to a wedding' poem from my book?

Nick,
Will send you a translation, though I think you can understand most of it since it's in conversational tamizh...
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#115 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 06 Sep 2013, 06:48

Thanks Cml, Nick and Arasi-- here is part 2

AS custodian here you should know who has taken it
I am not the custodian of the scooters. I am the custodian of this auditorium. If this hall is missing then it is my responsibility.
What should I do now? I shouted angrily
If you want you can go and file a complaint in the nearby police station which is 2 blocks away. He said casually.
I went again to where I left my scooter and scanned the vacant place with my vacant look.then marched slowly towards the exit.
Then a great surprise. I saw a young man chatting with the security. Lo it was my scooter!! That fellow should have taken it by mistake and now he wants to return it .Dharmam has not disappeared from this world yet!
Hey I shouted that is my scooter that is my scooter ,here I have the keys.
He looked derisively at me and said: so what ?. Here I have the key to ALL scooters. You are such a “dharithran” that there is not even one litre of petrol in it.This is my 20th scooter since this morning and I could not collect even 50 litres of petrol so far. All pichaikarans ! and there is nothing inside that box except a rag and you are screaming as though it is a Cadillac,I want to throw this dabba on your dirty face that is why I have come back.
I was taken aback by this rowdyish tone. The security was watching the fun. My aggressor did not even get down from the seat of the scooter.
Whether Cadillac or dabba I will take it for whatever it is worth. It is mine.
Give me 500 rs to compensate for my disappointment and wait till my friend comes to pick me up.
I was nervous. I searched in my pockets but I could gather only Rs 450. !( I have paid Rs 50 for my ticket.)
I said I have only 450 now If you come to my office tomorrow the balance… I gave him my visiting card hoping to impress him.
Pichaikaran- pichaikara payalukku visiting card !
He snatched the money and the card from my hand . put the money in his pocket and gave the card to the security and said angrily, tomorrow you come here and give the balance to the security No dirty tricks beware. He violently pulled me put his hands in my pocket and snatched my cell phone and gave it to the security
I thought the deal was over. But he did not get down from my scooter’ he was apparently waiting for a lift..
Without caring in the least about my presence he told the security.I am fed up with all this running around for nothing. I want to get into the jail again and spend days peacefully with ananyaas chinthanai whereas my yogakshemam will be looked after by the state.
Bhaghavath Geetha from him.!!
The security said but next year we are going to have Elections and you cannot afford to be in the Maamiyar veedu during that bonanza period.
Of course I will come out in time.I am even thinking of filing my nomination.
The security asked “ suppose the judge gives you a longer period in , then you will have to miss the chance as you cannot come out in the middle
That is no problem. I can come out any day I want. The jail warders are the custodians of jail premises only and not custodians of the inmates.. When the inmates disappear it means they are missing.
My cellphone in the hands of the security rang.” It should be my wife.” I said and asked him to give it to me.
The rowdy pushed me away, grabbed the cell phone, opened it took the sim card out and put the phone and the sim card in his pocket. I may need it when I am in jail. He said . on my extended hand he saw my wrist watch snatched it and gave to the security as security for Rs 50. Tomorrow morning, remember no tricks. We have your visiting card,.
Within seconds another rowdy, bearded and gigantic drove in in a big motor cycle greeting nonchalantly the security with a grin.
The first rowdy got up from my scooter , pushed it to me contemptuously” here is your B M W “ which I dived forth to catch like Tendulkar. Then he went to “board” the motor cycle in the pillion seat
At that very moment 2 policemen on patrol duty came towards us. They reminded me of Gajendran’s Adimoolam and Prahladhan’s Narasingham from the pillar.I heaved a sigh of relief and said to myself God is great’
To be concluded
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#116 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by arasi » 06 Sep 2013, 07:09

Ponbhairavi,

What a story! Pray continue--when one policeman turns out to have no motive to help you at all, but has his eye on the 'pichaikkArar's aDi vanDi (dregs of) funds and the other, like a lion pounces on you for being a pauper at the very moment when he thought you would yield at least enough rupees for dinner at the pretender of a Dindigul eatery... !

I bet though that you have a better story line in store!
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#117 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by pattamaa » 06 Sep 2013, 09:03

good writing sir...you have great skills... i remember reading a concert based story by one srinivas long ago !! May be, you should add some "carnatic" spices also in the story...
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#118 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 06 Sep 2013, 17:25

part 3 now:
Though I was relieved I hesitated one second as to how to explain briefly. Should I scream or..
Before I could make up my mind, the policemen went to the motor cycle on either side and bending themselves to the ground and cleaning the mudguard and crash guard with their bare hands , told the motorcycle man: Sir,vanakkam, sir Hi Hi engalai marandhutinga sir, rumba naalachu, enga mamool yedhavathu paathu ….
The rishi(bearded) told them: dai pasangala, we are going to the exhibition ground. Come over there. You will get some bits of gold chain and you can establish your good name by arresting this fellow. He wants some rest”
The motor cycle whirred past followed by the jubilant policemen,
Totally dejected, I quicked my scooter with animal rage.. It would not start.The security told me there is no petrol in it. You can push it upto your house,or leave it here and come back tomorrow morning with a can of petrol and my dues.. If you want I will give you another token,
I said nothing and started pushing the vehicle home. When I reached home it was well past midnight and my wife seeing my battered look exclaimed: I was worried whether you were caught in any accident or gone to a whole night divya nama Bhajan in tha tcase, at least you could have telephoned to me.. What happened to your cell phone where is your wrist watch??
Mohana’s words of yesterday evening came to my mind. How prophetic!!. They should be etched in gold.
I mumbled “{: if they are not where they should be that means they are missing”
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#119 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ramasubramanian M.K » 06 Sep 2013, 17:43

Ponbhairavi" Great story!! Forunites,I propose that Ponbhairavi be nicknamed Edward O'henry--the suspense-laden American short story-writer!!
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#120 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by arasi » 06 Sep 2013, 19:39

Bravo, Ponbhairavi!

Pattamma,
The poems and translations from french stories of Ponbhairavi are remarkable, He's a retired french prof who taught Ravi (rshankar) when he studied in Puduvai!

Yes, we miss Srinivasaraghavan's writing (a young man who is busy with his studies). His serial about music contests (before the mega competitions on the little screen became popular), is still cherished by us). Hope he gets the time to play his vINA even while he's absorbed in his studies.

You perhaps don't look into our literary threads. Many gems from old great writers are found there (thanks to Pasupathy) and also creative works of his and of others.

An example of how the arts don't exist in isolation but feed each other.

MKR,
Good to know you now have a bit of time to browse :)
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#121 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 06 Sep 2013, 20:45

Ponbhairavi
So that is what happened.
Two days ago I received an email from you stating that you were stranded at the Sabha without a penny and that your scooter was stolen and asking me urgently to send $ 1000 by Weatern Union which of course you will repay as soon as possible. I thought that it was a spam and ignored it completely. Sorry for that. I would have called Mohana and appraised her if only you had given me her phone number. I know, if that was not there, then it must be missing...

P.S: That bearded guy was Durai PANDi, the TN chief of the IRA (International Rowdy Association). He was the Keynote speaker at the Jamaican branch of the Association at Toronto.
I pray you don't get to meet him again. He is the "best" in the use of veecharivaaL. He is lobbying to get it included in the next Olympics....
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#122 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by arasi » 06 Sep 2013, 22:12

Mon ami,
:ymapplause:
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#123 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 07 Sep 2013, 10:40

MK Ramasubramaniam, Arasi and Pattamaa,
thank you.
Cml
Your postface is better than the story. For a moment I thought whether I would continue on that prolegomenon! Your P.S. is timely.Thanks for your word of caution. I will keep away from the veecharivAl veeran
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#124 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 07 Sep 2013, 19:50

cher Ponbhairavi:
La vie est plus vrai que la fiction.
Si cela s'est passé dans la fiction qu'il va se passer dans la vie!
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#125 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by arasi » 07 Sep 2013, 20:41

How true!
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