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#76 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Pratyaksham Bala » 09 Sep 2012, 20:06

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Here is one more site where I find that 'Sh..... N' has copied Ponbhairavi's article:-
Check the first post dated 11.12.2007 at
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgr ... XJ8tyOrYoJ
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#77 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 09 Sep 2012, 20:23

Interesting!
Let us hear from Ponbhairavi!
Perhaps Plagiarism
(or subconscious 'surrealism' :D
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#78 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Pratyaksham Bala » 09 Sep 2012, 22:31

cmlover wrote: ... Perhaps Plagiarism ...
AhA!
We are witnessing scores of examples here !
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#79 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by sridhar_ranga » 09 Sep 2012, 23:14

Shylaja is the daughter of Writer / novelist shri A.S. Raghavan who passed away recently, and is a writer in her own right. I have also read somewhere that she is related to another writer, Indira Parthasarathy.

So far as I have followed her writings in the mintamil group, she is NOT the type given to plagiarism and always comes across as a humble and honest person.

In this instance, she has clearly indicated that this piece was written based on notes she made in a literary meeting ((ஓர் இலக்கியக் கூட்டத்தில் கேட்டபோது எடுத்த குறிப்பிலிருந்து...)

It is highly probable that the speaker she heard in that ilakkiya kooTTam did not bother to cite his source, which is the article by Ponbhairavi sir in Manjari. Had she come across the Manjari issue with shri Ponbhairavi's writeup, I am sure she would have had no hesitation in quoting the original author.

As for the writings looking identical in many lines, it can only be surmised that she made verbatim notes of whoever the speaker was who quoted Ponbhairavi sir without adding credit.

All this does not excuse her for not putting in the effort to trace the original and make a proper acknowledgement.

Disclaimers: 1) I do not personally know Ms Shylaja. 2) I abhor plagiarism and any dishonest attempts to appropriate credit for someone else's work. I fully understand how shri ponbhairavi must be feeling.
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#80 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Pratyaksham Bala » 09 Sep 2012, 23:51

I made a reference, as it is copied verbatim, including paragraph breaks.
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#81 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 10 Sep 2012, 13:06

Thanks CML The word மீநடப்பியல் was NOT coined by me.It is an accepted one in tamil literary circles.
Many thanks Bala.But for your expose , I would not have come to know about this.
We should probably feel happy that we are living in an era when:
- there are literary talkers and writers with prodigious memory power ( Eka santha grAhi )as to recount word by word, sentence by sentence, complex concepts they have read or heard "somewhere". years before including para changes but manage to forget names both foreign and indian.
-there are also people like P.Bala with Extraordinary Sensory Perception, who smell plagiarism anywhere in the solar system and have the know-how to excavate mummified facts however much they are camouflaged and buried
I quote Ponbhairavi's verses which appeared in Kavithaigal thread :
திருட்டே திறமையென துதி பாடும் திருநாட்டில்
முறைமை யையும் நேர்மையையும் எதிர்பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருத்தல்
பாலை வனத்தின் பொரி மணல் நடுவே ஓர்
கோலப் பங்கயம் மலர காத்திருப்ப தற்றே

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#82 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by PuduvaiSivam » 12 Sep 2012, 10:28

Shylaja has written thar she has forgotten the name of the french poet.The names are Apollinaire and Andre Breton.4 of Apollinaire poems( text and audio) are available at
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/tbindia/ ... rench.html
at serial no 47,48,49,50 in the table
Besides a lot of information can be gathered by visiting http://frenchliterature.angelfire.com
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#83 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 15 Sep 2012, 12:14

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#84 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 15 Sep 2012, 12:20

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#85 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 15 Sep 2012, 19:43

Dr Faustus would have lamented:
ஆவிக்கு தனமு தீசேனே...
(sells his soul to the devil for wealth)

Nice moralistic story...
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#86 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by maduraimini » 16 Sep 2012, 00:12

Very funny. Felt like reading old time funny stories of Devan or Kalki. Thanks for a Humor Break!
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#87 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 19 Sep 2012, 19:50

Sir
If you have published a short story collection, I would love to buy it!
If not please start posting short stories here as your imagination soars.
I will start a new thread for short stories in Tamil. I am sure our Arasi will join too (time permitting). She is an outstanding Novelist too!
Others may also join. Let us all enjoy..
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#88 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 19 Sep 2012, 20:01

Here is the new link
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19978
I have moved your latest over to the new thread...
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#89 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 20 Sep 2012, 11:35

My grateful thanks to CML. it is encouraging. I have not published any book of short stories. I will try to rise up to your expectations
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#90 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 12 Oct 2012, 12:48

NOBEL PRIZE FOR MUSIC

Why not? Do not be too surprised if in this year’s list you find one..To convince you, I have to reveal a great secret, much greater than the amount of black money deposits in foreign banks by our politicians. Believe it or not, I am the chairman of the High Power Selection Committee for the award of Nobel prize. To convince you still further, I am going to give below verbatim the concerned proceedings of our Selection Committee, so that you can appreciate better what I am doing for our music. In these proceedings, Me is myself and N indicates any of the other members of the committee whose name I am not at liberty to reveal.

PROCEEDINGS OF A SECRET MEETING HELD IN A SECRET PLACE ON A SECRET DATE.

Me—Dear members, I have a revolutionary proposal to make. From this year onward, we must institute a Nobel Prize for Music.
N-Yes a very good idea.!Music is a domain which embraces Yoga religion philosophy,international tourism and M. L. E. that is money laundering economics too.
Me- It is a pity that such a widespread and important activity has not been recognized by us so far.
N- I object to this. Music is not a scientific activity.
Me- No music is a highly developed science dealing with vibrations frequencies, .acoustics intervals ,beats cycles etc .. on which whole lifetime has to be devoted but still many do not meet with success.
N- I feel that it falls in the domain of arts.We cannot give Nobel Prize for anything other than objective science which ultimately uplifts mankind
Me- we are giving Nobel Prize for Peace which is neither objective nor scientific.
N- peace is as much needed as science for the welfare of humanity.
Me- we are giving Nobel Prize for Poetry which cannot be termed as indispensable for the survival of humanity.
N-Poetry is ennobling and ubiquitous.
Me-So is music. There are music in all the parts of the world which includes most backward tribes who do not have a decent dress to cover themselves let alone a language.
N. Exactly that is going to make our selection highly difficult. What common yardstick can we adopt?
Me- What about poetry? There are innumerable languages but we still have a Nobel Prize
N- For languages we have English and we get translation and
decide.
Me-Does it mean that anything which is not translated into English is bad poetry or not poetry at all?
N- naturally.because English is supreme very old and mother of all languages.
Me- No there are languages which are older, and which can be called as grand mother and great grand mother like Sanscrit Tamil.
N- They are all dead languages.
Me- Not at all.They are alive and kicking.In fact the number of people talking tamil is greater than the population of England .
N- May be . But they have no literary tradition whereas English has Shakespeare and is 800 years old
Me- Literary tradition ? A poet called Kamban has composed brilliant poetry which is much bigger than Shakespeare’s total output and that too 900 years back when English was hardly a means of communication with guttural sounds between primitives living in caves.
N- I feel too bad for such languages. Kamban could have written in English or arranged to have it translated. We cannot recognize anything that does not come to us through the portals of English.Anyway, we cannot give Nobel Prize for someone who lived 900 years back
Me- Of course not.But there is a grievance that a poet called Bharathi who comes in Kamban’s tradition and who lived in the last century was ignored.
N- who prevented him from applying in the proper form along with copies of English translation of his poems duly attested by a gazetted officer.
Me-He lived too short a life and had better preoccupations. Anyway there is a common opinion that any award be it Nobel Prize Bharath Rathna kalaimAmani or Sangeetha kalAnidhi is wrought with infirmities and has glorious exceptions.
N-- that is inevitable.
Me-What I mean to say is that if there can be a Nobel Prize for poetry which is so dependent on languages why not a Nobel prize for something which is beyond language. From personal knowledge I can tell you that there are more people in tamil Nadu who go into raptures when listening to Abhangs which is in Marathi and which they do not understand than Oothukadu whom they consider too simple to understand. This is a proof that Music has universal appeal irrespective of race, colour, language, young or old

The committee totally disarmed by my inexorable arguments has approved my proposal for instituting a Nobel prize for Music.
Now you want to know who is the AWARD WINNER for music ?

Well for that you have to wait for part 2 of this article which will follow.
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#91 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 12 Oct 2012, 20:43

A very imaginative flight of fancy!
..but worth being taken seriously...

awaiting part 2 :D
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#92 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Nick H » 12 Oct 2012, 21:28

A by the way: is it a requirement for literature prizes to be translated into English? I think it has been given to authors from all over the world, including, most recently, a Chinese author.
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#93 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by rajeshnat » 13 Oct 2012, 08:09

Ponbhairavi
Actually your thought has to be seriously considered . For eg when some one gets it in literature there is only a handful who has read, whereas music it reaches practically everyone. In the last 20 years , people flock more music as none of us have patience/time/real interest to read literature or poems.Looking forward for your part 2. Sir U have as usual very really great idea :clap:
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#94 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 13 Oct 2012, 12:03

NO- BELL PRIZE FOR MUSIC- II


Proceedings of a very highly secret meeting held in a very highly secret place on a very highly secret date.

Me- Because this is the first ever Nobel prize for music I propose the name of Thyagaraja of Tiruvarur( here is the file ) who is celebrated throughout the world.
N-I object to this and I veto the proposal. This man was dead and gone centuries back.
Me – but his spirit lives every where.
N-We cannot give Nobel prize for spirits. We can consider only the names from last century But if the chairman wants to propose the name of Thiagaraja bhagavathar of manmatha leelaiyai who lived in the last century I see no objection.

Me-O.K. I withdraw that name and Now I play for you the videotape of a great carnatic musician who is universally acclaimed and about whom no one would object. This is M.S.Subbulakshmi. She would bring credit to our prize.

N-we hear only one voice. Even the single violin accompaniment and the drum beat merge and sound as one. Only polyphony can be good music-- simultaneous hearing of several incongruous sounds.
N-I see no sparkling lights. No flashing of colour illuminations. Even a simple rock concert will be more electrifying.
N-Her attire too is very simple not catchy at all. Her dress does not reveal her talents.
N- Not even the minimum facials: no make up no rouge on the cheeks no lipstick no colour coating for the eye lashes, nothing except a single red dot on the forehead.
N- she is sitting quiet and singing. How can emotions be aroused like that. See Michael Jackson. He swings, whirls, turns, jumps; that is what I would call lively.
Me-.I beg your pardon. I have understood your requirements. Now I will play a videotape of a performance called Abhang bhajan in which people sing dance in circles jump high with both hands thrown up. They cry, they weep they swoon and embrace each other in ecstatic trance.
N- I said music is polyphony not cacophony.
Me- Since music is only for the ear- I will now play an audio tape -no video which distracts our concentration-This music has all the characteristics desired: several sounds –really polyphonic Let me tell you the background: the setting is a rural atmosphere in an open cattle grazing ground where there are statues of elephants, horses, warriors with big moustache and swords drawn yet in sitting posture ; all more than double the life size.
N- Great! Nice folkloric settings for native music.!Anything folklore must be encouraged.
Me- Let us listen attentively. I want each one of you to say what you think about each sound which impresses you.
{ the tape is played. Unfortunately our readers cannot hear but I request you all to please take the words of our Honorable committee members for granted.}
N- I hear a confused vague sound of several vocal chords yet none is clearly discernible
N-this is blowing into a pipe and beating on leather.! Not bad
N--Now a terrible voice long drawn going up and down in a staccato with intermittent pauses ! superb
N-what a voice which mimics exploding crackers!\ marvelous
N- crackling sounds fusing in unison with shrieking laughter of kids!
N- the main voice growing in amplitude with accelerated hiccupping!- oh my God ! vocal acrobatics!!
N- which reflects a sense of desperation- wonderful
N-and also a revolt- this is amazing
N- now dragging and gradually vanishing into silence.
N- a perturbed soul finding solace in Eternity.
N-What an amazingly gifted vocal chords- unparalleled and we have never heard before.
N- This is the music which deserves the prize as it reflects impulses of fear agony, pain and ultimate relief.
This is our unanimous decision--A thunderous ovation.-
N- We request the Chairman to give suitable citation with the award.
Me- Of course It is my pleasure.. Here it is;
This polyphonic music is a harmonious fusion of guttural emissions of exceptionally gifted vocal chords. It translates best the vociferous aspirations of a soul which desperately seeks to free itself from devils which come behind chasing and exploding .Ultimately the soul realizes that the explosions are not in the outer world but attached behind its own SELF. This realization leads to deliverance which epitomizes all human endeavors.
N—very apt citation,! May we know now what is the name of this WINNER?
Me- GARDABHA
N— GARDABHA[/i]? Funny name. Anyway what is there in a name ?.

Post-scriptum; a mischievous village boy who happened to hear the Nobel prize winning music identified it with the day of a village festival when he caught a donkey and tied crackers on its tail. He then fired them to the delight of the little kids who came chasing the poor rattled donkey which ran desperately braying and straining its vocal chords to the limit.
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#95 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by cmlover » 13 Oct 2012, 20:05

LOL!
I expected a gaana song which can always win over the GARDABHA :D
Pity, ARR did not compete :D
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#96 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 18 Aug 2013, 12:37

HERE IS AN EDITED VERSION
S K at MMA
The whole city wore a festive look. The occasion is the annual aradhana celebration at M M A .Asyou know M M A is the abbreviation for Mangudy Muthu Aiyar. One of his ancestors took aabhath sanyaas and to maintain the cultural tradition M M A used to do yathi Aradhana on the thithi of his moksham. The celebrations will start one paksham(15 days)ahead and everyday there will be Homa,parayana, abhang bhajan,musical offerings…All the visitors will be fed sumptuously( do not think of the 5 rs meal proposed by our MP.)As the event has been happening for the last so many years many tradition lovers have become patrons and life members, to perpetuate the cultural tradition.
M M A is justifiably proud of the event as it has enhanced his prestige and many people fly from far and near to attend the aradhana which has become an event of international cultural significance. There will be a special sahasra bhojan on the final day. The meal served that day is a hallmark of culinary sampradaya of tamil nadu. The menu will include inter- alia proverbial items such as dangar pachadi poricha kozhambu with floating karuvadams,okkaarai ,paal kozhakattai ,akara vadisal, sarasaparilla (colloquially known as nannari roots) paayasam. The cook selected for the occasion is no ordinary person. M M A has made it a point to honour the chief cook with the title of Samayal kalanidhi .It is also the policy of M M A not to have the same cook for the second time as he thinks that it is his duty to encourage new talents and nurture the art of cooking handed down to us by divine personages like Bhima, Nala.
Thus, the Samayal Kalanidhi has become a prestigious award. It is the ultimate dream of every cook to get it in his lifetime. One who has got the SK award will thereafter be called by his colleagues NOT simply cook ,but called cooker adding the respect suffix R ( so that it sounds like minister, professor, Director…As everybody knows the art of cooking is so complex that a cook ,by the time he gets the expertise expected by M M A will be at least a septuagenarian. So what? Noble tradition has to be preserved, It cannot be made so cheap that any five star hotel chef or a raw doctorate of catering technology could aspire for it. Puli nagam Pichai, mayavaram Seenu,tanjavur Aghoram, Saattai venu, taplampuliyur thaadi are some of the illustrious award recipients of previous years whose photos adorn the dining hall and the true sappadu rasikas while having their lunch look up the walls and contemplate with awe those culinary heroes. This year,s awardee, Sethiyathoppu Rajamani will also find his place in that wall.

By god’s grace and purva janma sugirtham I had once the bhaggyam of attending the aradhana and bhojanam.OH what a bliss! I was flanked by business tycoons on one side and N R Is on the other. While in the dining hall the neighbor showing a photo in the wall asked me:”why that S K is holding a whip on hand.?”
Don’t you know he is the kumbakonam saattai Venu.He was such a terror disciplinarian that he will publicly whip anyone who commits the slightest mistake.
Dishes started arriving One by one in kathanakudhoohalam succession .All eyes were on the entrance. This is the time of arrival of the piece de resistance, the rasam. Sampradaya requires that the SK designate should himself serve the rasam. But a nondescript person holding a bucket full of rasam entered
Someone nearby shrieked “ what ? a deviation from sampradaya at the MMA !! He is NOT the SK of this year
Within seconds, the SK made his appearance armed with a silver ladle in hand.
- I said: here he is ,the other person is the pilot
- No I did not mean that. Look at the head of the SK What a luxuriant hair, without a single white strand ! the envy of many women! I am sure he cannot be more than fifty. How can you confer
- SK to such a young person ?
- I fidgeted uneasily
- The lady continued- the age criteria has been thrown to the winds; He cannot be more than fifty. though I did not expect someone with the head a la veena S. Balachander this man is a la Patri Satish kumar.!!
- Some one knowledgeable said : No Madam this is just make up This is a special wig he wears during his performance in order to prevent his already scanty hair from falling in the dish…
- The assistant carrying the rasa vALi was walking backwards holding the rasam bucket in front. The SK Sethiyathoppu Rajamani ,with a bewitching smile showing his teeth reddened by constant betel leaves munching, was moving with dexterity between one row and the opposite row dipping his silver karandi in the rasam bucket and asking at everyone : aNNavukku “ razam “ . Pl note that heSaid razam and not rasam in order to handle that delicate spl item with extra soft caution. Like R T P in a concert ,rasam is the index to judge the competence of the cook. A person walking on his right was occasionally sprinkling coriander leaves in his master’s karandi.
- After he went past us, my neighbor asked me what is his speciality ?
- I said both rasam and thavittu puNNaku togayal a special togayal which he makes with brawn and dry cake bits which are the bye products of gingili oil extraction. Those fortunate enough to taste this say that immediately after the meal they feel so refurbished that they feel like galloping 10 miles non stop
The arrival of Mangudi Muthu Aiyar put a halt to our conversation. –
-. He announced formally the SK of the year amidst thunderous ovations.He gave him the plaque, and put a pair of heavy gold kundalams in SK’s ears .This is a tradition reminding the kundalams in the ears of Bhima when he was a cook in disguise in the palace of Virataraja'
A pressman asked:
Why did you choose this career?
From my birth I wanted to serve the public and I am serving even now.
Who was your Guru?
I started as a gangamirtham (waterboy) with mu guru Puli nagam( claws of tiger) Pichai.
- Why was he called puli nagam Pichai?
- In a village marriage where he was the cook, a tiger suddenly came into the marriage house. Everybody ran here and there .My Guru with unruffled poise took the bucket of rasam,added something to it and put it before the roaring tiger.The animal drank the rasam and immediately became as docile as a cat and simply walked away. The grateful mirasdar presented him with a gold chain in which were appended 2 bits of the claws of tiger.from that date on he was known as puli nagam Pichai.
- Another pressman asked :” what is the secret of your success”
- The Samayal Kalanidhi', Sethyathoppu Rajamani politely replied: first the blessings of my GURU- second
- The L ieutenant G overnor perungayam(asafoetida)
- What an unforgettable experience!!
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Post by Nick H » 18 Aug 2013, 13:41

What a genius! Please submit it to The Hindu in December; I am sure they will publish it.
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#98 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Ponbhairavi » 19 Aug 2013, 11:09

Thanks nick, I have understood. I have edited my post.
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#99 Re: Multifaceted personalities of the Rasikas forum

Post by Nick H » 19 Aug 2013, 12:41

Your great piece of writing might get more audience if it is posted to one of the SK threads. It is the best thing I have read on "SK" for a long time :)
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Post by rajeshnat » 19 Aug 2013, 13:34

Ponbhairavi Sir,
Our thoughts especially those who stay considerably in india are in our respective domicile and also well grounded in the language(in your case thamizh). You are one of the few in a thousand or even a million who can translate your thamizh thoughts into English language without losing that native sense of humour. I today had to skip the rasam as I was bit worried I will turn bit docile. ;)

Nick
You may have not got everything especially the reference to few initials that he has bolded , kadanakuthoohalam reference , the LG asafoetida (perungayam) etc. When we were growing up in schools , we always used to have a high esteem feeling for certain elderly teachers who taught english from british - pre independence days. Ponbhairavi(rajagopalan sir) certainly fits in there- he has an amazing tempo and a high sense of humour. :))
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