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#1 Karnatik.com

Post by SrinathK » 17 Jul 2015, 21:11

Ah, first up, a big thanks to the mods for taking up the request to have this section up. Today, it is the internet that is CM's biggest and for many the most easily accessible resource. You get virtually everything you want -- recordings, books, lessons, rare and unheard stuff, music journals, research, articles, reviews, song lists -- you name it, you got it. This section will help to point out all those places, one by one and everyone's contribution is most eagerly awaited.

I basically owe nearly all my development to the internet sites that do their part to spread CM by their means (good or otherwise ;) )

So I'll start off with a site with whom I've had a long history -- http://karnatik.com/ -- I prefer starting here : http://karnatik.com/infoindex.shtml

How did I find it? -- I ran into this long long ago in the last decade when searching for lyrics for some of the songs I was listening to and it's still one of those old runners that's still around.

What does it have? (It's not meant to summarize everything, maybe subsequent threads can). It's divided into these sections -- lyrics, references, fun stuff, a learning music section and a theory section. Among other things, these include :

1) A good introduction section with some helpful notes on the history of CM
2) Some good articles here : http://karnatik.com/articles.shtml
3) A good basics section : http://karnatik.com/beginner.shtml - covers the usual gamut - sarali, janta, dhattu, upper and lower octave verses, alankarams, geetams, nottuswarams, and finally the varnams -- the last 3 will take you to the pages where there are extensive lists of the items with lyrics for the same

Has useful guides where you can read the notation and how the verses are sung in 4 speeds and also listen to the basics too. There're some useful tips on how to practice too, identifying close ragas, a list of gamakas and other useful stuff.

4) By far the biggest contribution from this site is that it has an extensive song list (about 2400 compositions) of most well known compositions covering a huge range of composers and ragas. The list links to pages for the lyrics of nearly all the items on this list (and this is the site's greatest asset) -- occasionally you can get a translation too. For songs not on the list, you can mail (though I've realized since then it is Mr. Lakshman who provides the lyrics).

http://karnatik.com/lyricstext.shtml

You can also go to the composers pages and read some interesting info on their lives. You get lists of compositions sorted by composer and by raga too (which takes you to an EXTENSIVE A-Z listing of nearly 1000 ragas) -- all the links on these pages lead to the lyrics of the song.

Other interesting stuff - a huge list of film songs and the nearest equivalent carnatic ragas they were composed in, fun quizzes, a table of talas, Hindustani equivalent's to CM ragas, etc.. etc..., a melakartha list, even a jokes page...

I mainly used it for lyrics and that huge song list and (in the beginning) for some of the interesting references and fun stuff it had.

How to best use it : Online surfing. Or Google <a song name> lyrics. Chances are this will be on the first page. Or better, download the whole website :mrgreen: (http://www.httrack.com/)
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#2 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by Lakshman » 17 Jul 2015, 22:08

I should add that rasikas can access additional lyrics through the updated list in post 56 on this page:
http://www.rasikas.org/forum/viewtopic. ... 0&start=50
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#3 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by SrinathK » 17 Jul 2015, 23:13

PHEW! That is an incredible trove sir.

I will make a separate thread for 'em all and give a brief description of what you can find on each of them -- this is for the purpose of easy visibility on the forum - which means I will have to go to each site and see what I can find there. For the moment, allow me to reproduce the post below :

http://www.medieval.org/music/world/carnatic.html

For Uttukadu Venkatakavi songs:
http://ia600700.us.archive.org/18/items ... hukadu.pdf

For Tiruppavai (tamil with English meaning)
http://www.ibiblio.org/sadagopan/ahobil ... ppavai.pdf

For texts in different languages)
http://www.ambaa.org/

For bhajans
http://www.bhajans.org/hindi/hindi_index01.htm
http://members.tripod.com/satsang/bhajans.html

For Tukaram abhangs (fonts needed)
http://www.cfilt.iitb.ac.in/tukaram/

For sahityas of Haridasas (kannada script)
http://www.dvaita.org/haridasa/index.html

(songs in telugu script)
http://www.andhrabharati.com/kIrtanalu/ ... index.html

Abhangas and Bhakti geet (fonts needed)|
http://www.chembur.com/abhang/list.htm

(Lyrics of K.N.Dandayudapani Pillai's songs)
http://www.indian-heritage.org/lyindex.html

(Lyrics of Ghanam Krishna Iyer's songs)
http://www.indian-heritage.org/lyindex.html

(Lyrics of Muttiah Bhagavatar's songs)
http://www.indian-heritage.org/lyindex.html

(Annamacharya songs-English script)
http://www.sistla.org/Srihari-Lyrics/index.html

(Annamacharya songs-Telugu/English scripts)
http://pedia.desibantu.com/category/cul ... tic-music/

(Dikshitar compositions)
http://www.medieval.org/music/world/car ... hitar.html

(Lyrics of Tyagaraja)
http://www.karnatik.com/co1006.shtml

(Shyama Shastri songs)
http://www.medieval.org/music/world/car ... hyama.html

Papanasham shivan songs (tamil script):
http://www.reocities.com/Athens/acropol ... /sivan.pdf

(songs of different composers)
http://www.sangeethamshare.org/murthy/0 ... sic-Files/

(Dikshitar Kritis with meanings)
http://guruguha.org/wiki/Alphabetical.html

(Sangita sampradaya pradarshini)
http://www.ibiblio.org/guruguha/ssp.htm

(Various songs with notations)
http://www.shivkumar.org/music/index.html

(Compositions of Natanagopalanayaki-fonts needed)
http://www.srimannayagi.org/

(Tiruppugazh songs-fonts needed)
http://www.kaumaram.com/thiru/thiru.html

(Tiruvembavai, Tiruppalliyezhuchi)
http://www.shaivam.org/siddhanta/thivempa.htm

(Tiruvembavai in kannada)
http://www.shaivam.org/kannada/ska_ta_pavai.pdf

(Tiruppalliyezhuchi in kannada)
http://www.shaivam.org/kannada/ska_ta_palliyezucci.pdf

(Subramania Bharati songs-fonts needed)
http://www.tamilvu.org/library/l9100/html/l9100ba1.htm

(Different songs with notations)
http://www.swarasindhu.in/swarasindhu/i ... tions_temp

(Selected songs of different composers)
http://www.sahityam.net

(Different songs-lyrics in several languages)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/sahithyapriya/lyrics/

(Mysore Vasudevachar compositions)
http://www.medieval.org/music/world/car ... ysore.html

Shivkumar Kalyanaran's site for notations:
http://www.shivkumar.org/music/index.html
and
http://www.shivkumar.org/music/varnams/index.html

(Lyrics of several composers in English with meanings)
http://www.sangeetasudha.org/site/index.html

(kannada devotional songs-Kannada and English scripts with audio)
http://bhakthigeetha.blogspot.ca/search ... Kanakadasa

(Surdas bhajans-English texts)
http://bhajansagar.blogspot.ca/search/l ... urdas%20ji

(Dasa sahitas-in alla southern languages)
http://dasasahithyamahithi.com/lyrics.php

(54 Bhadrachala Ramdas songs-Telugu text and notations)
http://ramadasu-jayanthi.in/2012-01-07- ... l-kirtanas

(Compositions of Prof. Mysore V.Ramaratnam-English text with notations)
http://mysorevr.startlogic.com/page7.html

(songa by different composers-English text)
http://myalltimefavouritesongs.blogspot ... -page.html

(bhajans)
http://www.saiscotland.com/resource/bha ... ctory.html

(compositions of Padma Veeraraghavan)
http://www.thiruppavai.org/index.php?op ... &Itemid=40


Notations for Muthuswami Dikshitar krithis and various other compositions
as given by Subbarama Dikshitar: "Sangit Sampradaya Pradarshini" (English Web Edition) (5 volumes)
http://www.ibiblio.org/guruguha
also mirrored in http://www.guruguha.org

Lyrics (in all south indian languages) + Meanings in English of all Dikshitar krithis:
http://www.guruguha.org

Narayana Tirtha's Shri krishna Leela tarangini (Text in both Snaklsrit and English)
Margadarshi Sheshayyangar's compositions
Maharaja Jayachamaraja Odeyar's Compositions
Prathanmabhyasa Pustakamu of Subbarama Dikshitar
(notations for all Nottu swara krithis and many more)
Text of Chaturdandi Prakashika of Vebnkatamakhin (Sanskrit and English)
Anubandham to ChaturdandI Prakashika (Sanskrit and Engklish)
Irayimman Thampi compositions (in Malayalam)
Dikshita Kirtana Prakashika of T S Natarajasundaram Pillai (English with notations of 50 Dikshitar Krithis)
http://www.musicresearch.in/categorywis ... &authid=15

Kanda Ganamudam - Kotiswara Iyer's 72 Melaraga Krithis in Tamil:
http://www.carnatica.net/lyrics/groupsongs.htm

Composition Bank with lyrics to numerous compositions:
http://www.carnatica.net/lyrics/compbank.htm

The mammoth Music Library, maintained by Dr N Ramanathan and Vidya Jayaraman
has numerous Carnatic Music books in many Indian languages.
http://musicresearchlibrary.net/omeka/

Kabir dohas (in Hindi)
https://gauravshri23.wordpress.com/tag/ ... -by-kabir/
http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=KabirSong

Ugabhogas in different languages
http://akshathamelodies.jimdo.com/ugabhoga/

Siddhar Padalgal, Some Bharatiar songs
http://books.tamilcube.com/tamil/

Bhajans on various deities (in HIndi and English)
http://saidarshan.org/baba/index.html

More Kabir bhajan lyrics
http://bhajansagar.blogspot.ca/search/l ... 20Das%20Ji

Lyrics and audio of selected songs
http://southindianmusic.in/default.aspx?action=lstall

Books with lyrics in different languages
http://sangeetasagaram.blogspot.in/

Vijayavithaladasa songs (different languages)
http://www.aarshavani.org/newformat/lyrics.php

Marathi abhangs
http://www.aathavanitli-gani.com/Santvani

Valajapet Venkataramana Bhagavatar' compositions
http://www.venkataramanabhagavadar.org/Sahityams.html0 x
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#4 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by Rsachi » 18 Jul 2015, 14:12

Wow. Thank you for listing this!
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#5 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by VK RAMAN » 18 Jul 2015, 19:01

Awesome Srinath. Those who use internet for learning, these are websites everyone goes; to put them all in one place is very thoughtful of you.
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#6 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by SrinathK » 18 Jul 2015, 19:20

I will visit many sites and review them here, each in it's own separate topic -- not just me, anyone can contribute. Rasikas maintaining their blogs of CM related stuff can also open a topic for their website and we can describe what is on it.
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#7 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by kvchellappa » 18 Jul 2015, 19:36

Srinath K, you have enough stuff to write a magnum opus on CM. Hope you will do one day. Best wishes.
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#8 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by Meenalochani » 18 Jul 2015, 19:42

Mr. K.Srinath,

Thank you very much for the list which will benefit Carnatic music lovers like me.

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#9 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by SrinathK » 18 Jul 2015, 19:57

How to best use karnatik.com : Online surfing. Or Google <a song name> lyrics. Chances are this will be on the first page. Or better, download the whole website :mrgreen: (http://www.httrack.com/) -- (Actually I did, about 8 years ago).

@kvchellappa Sir, many of these websites which will feature in this section are well known to all of us actually and in some cases it may be highlighting the obvious (sangethapriya). Google generally takes you to one of them in the 1st few pages itself. Somehow these ideas sprout up from somewhere -- usually a need, or a question, "If I was an opportunist, and I wanted to contribute something back to this music, what can I do?). But this idea has been long in the incubation -- I have been visiting sites and downloading whatever I can get to expand my music collections and that song list of mine (I promise to release v.0.0.1 :lol: once it has grown a little more) and I've been at it for years now.

In the process, I've found a lot of places and of late I'm also seeing a growing presence of CM on social media too.

So it was that one day I observed all the bookmarks in my web browsers and wondered as to why not have all this in one place where music lovers can view it, with some helpful tips on what to expect and how to use these websites. We have done this before on rasikas.org earlier, but so far these have been a little scattered. Now it's time to bring them into their own place.

A few little things a day, given enough time, turn so huge that one day you look back with astonishment at how big one idea could have grown so big. Slow, but steady I guess wins :)

There's only one principle : For the time being, I am putting each website in a separate topic (so that I can review it :lol:) and it makes for easier visibility. But maybe I can also do a group topic (maybe those can be sticky) and post links in bulk en-masse there... ok, getting ahead of myself. But of course I won't mind (in fact I would be very grateful) if you post related links (such as the ones given by Lakshmanan sir above) in a thread either. :ugeek:
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#10 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by thanjavooran » 18 Jul 2015, 20:03

Shri Srinath K,
Many thanx for the vast list. Will be very useful for all Music lovers.
With wishes,
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#11 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by kvchellappa » 18 Jul 2015, 20:18

SrinathK, My comment was in the overall context of your various posts. You have taken your love of CM like you must have done with your IIT discipline.
It is a pleasure to read your posts except when it gets technical because I am out of depth there.
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#12 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by SrinathK » 18 Jul 2015, 20:23

Whoa, everyone, you should be thanking Lakshman sir for that list :). I copy pasted his post when he gave a link to it. See for yourself : viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1090&start=50

I have read an article of him in the Hindu and I have wondered - "Man I took so long to hear and LIST 1000 songs, how did he get to 38000 LYRICS?" Please thank the man for his efforts!

Meanwhile, I'm flooded with ideas now that the first one has finally clicked (it seems that the first idea is always the hardest). Hmm, maybe we can definitely have sticky threads for group topics where links will pour in en masse like this - a sticky topic for lyrics pages (whether that should belong here or in the sahitya section is something I haven't yet figured), a sticky topic for youtube channels, a sticky topic for CM on Facebook. I'll review a particular site in an individual thread. Yeah, that should be a good way to organize this section.

Thank you everyone though for your best wishes and encouragement! I'm deeply touched. :D
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#13 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by arasi » 20 Jul 2015, 08:16

Srinath,
Awesome!
I echo Chellappa's words--and I don't know the technical stuff at all (he knows much more).

I sent you mail two days ago (also to another forumite whose mail address wasn't handy). I now know that it wasn't received. The same in your case too? If so, please try to send mail through Rasikas, and let's see if it reaches me :)

Oh, our lyrics HanumAn is Lakshman. Though he grew up in tamizh nADu, his name didn't take on the additional 'an' :)
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Post by vgovindan » 21 Jul 2015, 02:33

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Post by arasi » 21 Jul 2015, 03:54

Govindan,
Indeed! The magnificent (not modest--YOU are modest!) work done by you :)
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#16 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by vasanthakokilam » 21 Jul 2015, 04:18

btw, I think Srinath is going to do this, but just to be sure, separate out non karnatik.com links into their own topics. I currently see at least two new threads. One for Sri. Govindan's links ( post # 14) and the other for the various links that Lakshman provided (post # 3 )
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#17 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by SrinathK » 21 Jul 2015, 21:12

One day all these links will have their own topic, but as such I don't mind if anyone replies in any thread -- any contribution is most welcome. Actually lyrics websites should be made into a sticky thread of it's own since there are so many of them, we can review them in their own topic later.

vgovindan and other rasikas also have their lyric pages on Sangeethapriya too.
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#18 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by Lakshman » 21 Jul 2015, 21:53

Srinathk: If you notice, the post listing all of the lyrics websites, in the Sahitya & Identification requests, is a Sticky one.
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Post by SrinathK » 21 Jul 2015, 22:51

Sorry about that sir. Funny, how come we have all appeared to have noticed this only now after it was re-posted again in a fresh thread. These lyrics resources have been up there the whole time -- google, this is all your fault. I haven't actually visited the sahitya section till now (yes! :o ), but hey, I googled first and usually got anything I asked for. :lol:

Since that section is mainly used for requesting song lyrics, I'll review those sites here.
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#20 Re: Karnatik.com

Post by vasanthakokilam » 22 Jul 2015, 02:57

btw, this site has a google indexing problem. Our pages do not get indexed. Bing is much better for our site.

We need to get this google problem resolved. It is on srkris's plate.
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