Nata Bhairavi

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sindhu
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Post by sindhu »

In the 'current famous' Bhairavi series, can we discuss about this Nata Bhairavi. The parent raag of great Saaramathi, Margha Hindoloam etc. The due credit that was to be made available to this great raag, has been snatched by 'Bhairavi', which has many kritis. (so is the case with KaambOji and Hari kaambOji & at least HK has many kritis).

Even the prati madyama couterpart of NB i.e. Shanmukhapriya/ Chamaram has many kritis to its credit.

The popular song in NB is 'Sree valli dEva sEnA pathE' which, I believe, had been frequently used by many Nadaswara Vidwans. One hardly hears raag alapani of NB thesedays.

I am sure, our artists have not done much justice to this 20th MELA. In fact, except this raag, Keervani;KKP;Gouri Manohari or even Varuna priya pertaining to the concerned chakra have had good treatments.

Only artists can say more.....

vs_manjunath
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Post by vs_manjunath »

Dr M Balamuralikrishna has a commerical - RTP in NataBhairavi.

sindhu
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Post by sindhu »

Request Laxman Sir to give a list of songs in NB. Thanks.

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Post by Lakshman »

Amboruha padame nambinen nin pon-Rupaka-Kotishvara Iyer
Ananda sutantaram vendum en anbu-Adi-Shuddhananda Bharati
Andamade paravasha mandenade chandamade-Adi-Balamuralikrishna
Aranam porul enru arul onru illada-- --Abhirami Bhattar
Are re dasharatha (lng)-Triputa-Govindacharya
Aru hitavaru ninage muru mandigalolage-Jhampa-Purandaradasa
Arukkagha-Ata-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Arumukha vadivelane kaliyanamum (kc)-T/Laghu-Annamalai Reddiar
Ashai mukham marandu pochche idai yaridam sholven-- --Subramania Bharati
Ayyane natanam adiya porpadam ananda-Chapu-Muttu Tandavar
Banniri banniri-Adi-Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
Bhajanai sheyvom varuvir rama-Adi-Papanasham Shivan
Bharata mata paripurna sutantrameiduvalo-Adi-Papanasham Shivan
Bharatiye endan taye bhaktiyodunai paninden-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Bhayavunte-Adi-Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
Chetulara shringaramu jesi chutunu-Adi-Tyagaraja
Chintayami sadashivam-- --Bangalore S.Mukund
Dina natha dayanidhe devi shri parvatipate-Adi-R.Venugopal
E papamu-Jhampa-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Enge kanbeno iraiva unai nan-Adi-Shuddhananda Bharati
Ennariya marudalam pudumai enrum-Adi-Tamizhnambi
Enniyar ennam izhappar idanarindu tunniyar (tv)-Adi-Tiruvalluvar (VSG)
Ennuvadu ellam eididala aghum unmaiyum-Adi-Periasami Tooran
Enokku oru varam-Adi-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Eshusu kritaphalavo-Adi-Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
imayavarum matravarum etravalla vinnagar-K/Chapu-Pankajavalli Narayanan
Innishai ezhil konjum natabhairavi-Adi-K.Ramaraj
Irumbu taru manattenaiyirttirta (tvc)-Rupaka-Manikkavachakar
Kaiyudan kutti-Adi-Mayuram Vishvanatha Shastri
Kalai edamal jalam vidamal kadir oru-Rupaka-Gopalakrishna Bharati
Kalai vaniye (tv)-Adi-T.M.Tyagarajan
Kalyana malai (f)- -Ilayaraja
Karunai pozhindu endan kali tirave kadugi ni odi-Adi-D.Pattammal
Karunai tavazhum onmukha kanda kani (tv)-Adi-K.Muttukumarasvami Varaghoor
Karuppatruri piravade kanakka padu utruzhalade (tp)-T/Eka-Arunagirinathar
Kaviri nattu virinjaiyur velalar-Adi-D.Pattammal
Kurai onru unai sholla yaringundu-Adi-Rukmini Ramani
Mahadeva mahishi-Adi-Dokka Sriramamurti
Mam dehi vara prasadam matangi kataksha-Adi-Ashok R.Madhav
Manjula venimanasu vega ranjilla (tv)-Adi-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Mishai naraittu pochche kizhava ashai-Adi-Gopalakrishna Bharati
Nalina nayani namostute natabhairavi nigamanute-Rupaka-Balamuralikrishna
Narayanudatade-- -- Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Natam adum deivame ananda-Adi-R.Venugopal
Natana sabhapatiye arul nidhiye-Adi-Rukmini Ramani
Ni kala vilasamani teliyunayya-- -- Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Ni padamulane-Adi-A.V.Krishnamachar
Ni padamulanu nammitini nikhilaloka janani shri-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Nilotpalambam bhaja re re chitta vithivittanka-Chapu-Muttusvami Dikshitar
Niratamu na madilo melagu jagad prabhuvu-- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Oru nal (f)-?-Ilayaraja
Oruva en iraiva oppuyarvillada-Rupaka-Shuddhananda Bharati
Parama pavani-Rupaka-Bangalore S.Mukund
Parulaseva jeyutache paramarthamu-Rupaka-Poochi Shrinivasa Iyengar
Pazhani malai vazh nathane kazhani shuzh (tv)-Adi-V.S.Gomatishankara Iyer
Pirai shudum shiva perumane edum-Adi-Anayampatti Adishesha Iyer
Raghuvaram raghavam ramam shara chapa-K/Eka-V.V.Shrivatsa
Ranganayaki ennai rakshippai-Adi-Nerur Shrinivasachar
Rikta kala-M/Jhampa-R.K.Suryanarayana
Sada ninne-Rupaka-G.N.Balasubramaniam
Sangitame-Adi-?
Shanka chakrayudadhari murari mukunda-- --Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Shantiniketavu-Adi--Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
Sharanambe ninage-Chapu-?
Sharanu-Adi-A.V.Krishnamachar
Sharavana bhavam upasmahe sadananda-Rupaka-Cuddalore Subramaniam
Shenriduvene brindavanamum nan-Adi-S.Vembu
Shri hari charana dasudu sarvada bhajinchu- -Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Shri nilotpala nayike jagadambike shri nagarana-Rupaka-Muttusvami Dikshitar
Shri ramana toro-Ata-Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
Shri valli deva senapate shri subramanya-Adi-Papanasham Shivan
Shubha dinam adanale (p)-Chapu-C.S.Natarajasudaram Pillai
Shyama sundaram bhajami yatha vraja-C/Jhampa-R.K.Suryanarayana
Tanata dhim tana dhim tana dhirana (t)-Adi-Vinai Shesha Iyer
Tanayunipai-Triputa-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Tatatakai amma taye mayenatanga nagai-Adi-Anayampatti Adishesha Iyer
Ten pandi shimaiyile (f)- -Ilayaraja
Tiruchchenur meviya-Adi-N.S.Chidambaram
Tonrin pughazhudan tonruga- -Tiruvalluvar (MVS)
Torisayya-Adi-Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
Tunga bhujangana-Ata-Vidyaprasanna Tirtha
Ullam urugi bhajanai sheiguvom-Rupaka-Shuddhananda Bharati
Unnai pol ullam urugi karunai kollum annai pol-Adi-Kovai Subri
Unnaippola ullam urugi arulvor illai chenni-Adi-Kovai Subri
Uyarnda tunai-Adi-N.S.Chidambaram
Vaittapadi iruppai paramashivan-Triputa-Shuddhananda Bharati
Valai manonmani madhavi shankari vasudevan-Rupaka-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Varanganala-Deshadi-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Vel muruga unadu padame kalamellam nambi (g)-C/Jhampa-Vinai Shesha Iyer
Vijaya gouri devi-Adi-Bangalore S.Mukund
Vinnodum mukhilodum (f)- -Vishvanathan Ramamurti
Vitta kanam arunai-Adi-Ramanathan Chettiar

chalanata
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Post by chalanata »

audio clips please!

ramakriya
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Post by ramakriya »

Lakshman,

The list shows (nArI)rItigouLa kritis of MD (nIlOtpalAmbAm/srI nIlOtpala nAyikE) equating it to naTabhairavi !

-Ramakriya

Lakshman
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Post by Lakshman »

I had the impression that the two rAgAs were the same. Perhaps you can tell us if there are differences. Thanks.

ramakriya
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Post by ramakriya »

Lakshman,

Except that both these occupy the 20th position in their schemes (sampUrna /asampUrNa meLas), the rAgaswarUpas are entirely different.

You could approximate nArIrItigouLa to the more popular version of rItigouLa, with the dhaivata always taking the shuddha dhaivata position. To make it appear very simple, it means nArI rItigouLa retains the vakra features of rItigouLa; natabhairavi on the other hand is a krama sampUrNa rAga.

-Ramakriya

ars
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Post by ars »

Who else apart from Balamuralikrishna & MLV's have rendered a pallavi in this raga? DKJ/DKP used to sing Sri Valli Devasenapathe but I'm not sure if they rendered a pallavi. There is a commercial recording of DKJ accompanied by Lalgudi and Vellore and what a wonderful rendition it is.

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

Karaikurchi Arunachalam and Doreswami Iyengar-
Instrumental though.

vijay
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Post by vijay »

I've always felt that the Madhyamam is the key to this raga - somehow it really stands out...

mohan
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Post by mohan »

ars wrote:Who else apart from Balamuralikrishna & MLV's have rendered a pallavi in this raga? DKJ/DKP used to sing Sri Valli Devasenapathe but I'm not sure if they rendered a pallavi. There is a commercial recording of DKJ accompanied by Lalgudi and Vellore and what a wonderful rendition it is.
DKJ used to sing VV Srivatsa's Raghuvaram raghavam (Khanda Chapu) quite often.

Trichur V. Ramachandran sang an excellent RTP in Natabhairavi at Indian Fine Arts Society sabha in T Nagar back in the early 1990s.

Sudha Ragunathan has sung also pallavi in this raga and it is available in a commercial (double) CD. For the kalpana swaram she uses other ragas ending in 'bhairavi'.
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thanjavur

Post by thanjavur »

Sangeethapriya (Natabhairavi) links

Sri Valli (Papanasam Sivan)
by Charumati (contribution - TVG)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~tvg/037. ... 5.62MB.mp3

by DKJ (contribution - Nandakumar)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/%7Enanda/ ... %20DKJ.mp3

Raghuvaram Raghavam (V V Shrivatsa)
by DKP (contribution - Nandakumar)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/%7Enanda/ ... -x-DKP.mp3

Nalina Nayani (MBK)
by MBK (contribution - Nandakumar)
http://www.sangeethapriya.org/%7Enanda/ ... MK-BMK.mp3

SAWF links from Papanasam Sivan - Inspirations And Expressions
by V. N. Muthukumar & M. V. Ramana
http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit10292001/musicarts1.asp

S. Rajam speaks about Sivan and NatabhairavI...
http://www.sawf.org/audio/sivan/srajam_spk.ram

...and sings the popular kriti, sri valli:
http://www.sawf.org/audio/sivan/srajam_srivalli.ram

Nada Anuboothi
http://home.sprynet.com/~dsivakumar/music/intromus.htm

Music Categories > Carnatic - Vocal > Ragas N... > Natabhairavi
has the following track,
Sri Valli (Papanasam Sivan) by DKJ

Music Categories > Carnatic - Instrumental > Ragas N... > Natabhairavi
has the following tracks,
RTP by Kanyakumari
Sri Valli (Papanasam Sivan) by Sikkil sisters
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Jigyaasa
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Post by Jigyaasa »

Srivalli is a composition of Papanasam Sivan. As can be confirmed with the list also...
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thanjavur

Post by thanjavur »

Jigyaasa wrote:Srivalli is a composition of Papanasam Sivan. As can be confirmed with the list also...
Thanks. Have corrected it.

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Post by vageyakara »

Namaskarams to Rasikas/members
I am pleased to request The Rasika brothern to view and listen to my composition in the above raaga, glorifying the raaga devatai .Pallavi" innisai ezhil konjum natabhairavi" Your esteemed views are most welcome
Vageyakara(Ramaraj) Ref.www.karnatik.com
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Ragjay
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Post by Ragjay »

I have a copy of the Nata Bhairavi RTP by Trichur V.Ramachandran and i shall post it and give the dl link Ragjay

thanjavur

Post by thanjavur »

This is a duplicate of the topic with the same name,

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1381

Could users please check to see if the topic already exists ?

meena
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Post by meena »

thanjavur
thanks for bringing it to our attention, the posts have been merged.

Ramaraji
PLEASE do check ( use the search tool) before u start a new thread, thanks.

vageyakara
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Post by vageyakara »

Yes noted with thanks.Ramaraj

thanjavur

Post by thanjavur »

http://www.karnatik.com/ragasn.shtml#naTabhairavi
naTabhairavi (naareereetigowLa)

20 naTabhairavi mela

Aa: S R2 G2 M1 P D1 N2 S
Av: S N2 D1 P M1 G2 R2 S

Janya ragas

Songs : ambOruha paadamE - KI
bhaaratiyE - HB
nee paadamulanu - HB
parulasEva - RS
shreevalli dEvasEnaapatE - PS
vaalai manOnmaNi - HB

Film songs : aasai koNDEn amudamE (aaDa vanda deivam)
managanindE nee aruLpurivaay (tanippaaDal)
*sivarAthiri, thookkam aedhu (michael m. k. rajan) (but with R1,D1)

Called naareereetigowLa (S R1 G2 M1 P D1 N2 S - S R2 D1 P M1 G2 R2 S)
in the Dikshitar (asampoorna mela) system

thanjavur

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My experience of natabhairavi started with sri valli of maharajapuram santhanam in an audio cassette.
I have heard 2 rtp live concerts of natabhairavi by vijaysiva and sudha ragunathan. I cannot recollect extreme depth in both of those RTP. I heard once a recording of a lovely sanjay natabhairavi , if my memory is right not heard a sanjay natabhairavi live.

I have heard once maharajapuram ramachandran singing iirc at kotturpuram natabhairavi raga with srivalli, that was well done .Very very early days , i wrote a review in sangeetham.com where young abhishek sang a spectacular natabhairavi , if my memory is right it is bharatkalachar.For me that abhishek alapana in natabhairavi was one of a kind.

Prasanna sang to me atleast 3 natabhairavis in live concerts . very early days when he just moved from mumbai for rasikas concert before his tutelage with sanjay started big time(that is my calculated guess) he sang in nungambakkamfor the first time .Then few years back chetpet kalakruthi with even neraval mamava sadha in the same srivalli devAsenapathE krithi and this may be his third or fourth natabhairavi where he sang again the natabhairavi.

I am making an assumption natabhairavi came into prominence only with second generation era of musicians like dkj/santhanam/mlv and may be TK govinda rao/TR balamani took up the same krithi srivalli too. I am assuming a possiblity of akka DKP learning from thambi DKJ this natabhairavi sree valli devasenapathE .Even trichur ramachandran has sung a rtp in natabhairavi,I am assuming his source would have been MLV. Also making an assumption the first generation era of musicians like MMI/SSI/GNB/Musiri never sang natabhairavi at all.I am pretty sure many in that generation would have just thought natabhairavi is only a scalar raga and also they may not have had access to any krithi , sivan did not yet write srivalli devasenapathE . Possibly all things in natabhairavi only started with papanasam sivan composing the master piece srivalli devasenapathE in natabhairavi . Lovely raga for many years i struggled to disambiguate with shanmughapriya , for a change few days back in prasanna concert when i wrote in my notebook natabhairavi in the first few seconds , crama wrongly said for few minutes that it is shanmughapriya. natabhairavi is a nice raga.

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rajeshnat wrote: 25 Sep 2018, 11:37 I am making an assumption natabhairavi came into prominence only with second generation era of musicians like dkj/santhanam/mlv and may be TK govinda rao/TR balamani took up the same krithi srivalli too.
Just forgot to add Thiruvidaimarudhur Rajagopalan Subramaniam in the list of natabhairavi second generation era stars. TRS mama has sung natabhairavi RTP with tanjore upendran, rsachi gave some parvathi link before . The above statement should read second generation era of musicians like trs/dkj/santhanam/mlv. error in not including TRS is regretted.

TRS manaseega guru GNB has composed songs in natabhairavi may be GNB just sung somewhere once the krithi Sada ninne-Rupaka-G.N.Balasubramaniam(check post #2 of lji who has listed natabhairavi songs)

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Rajesh,
Perhaps you're referring to this:
https://soundcloud.com/usercpblog/natab ... thi-swaras


For me Nata Bhairavi is a raga that reminds me of a highly talented but somewhat unsuccessful actor. All talent but lacking opportunity and waiting for a director to discover his/her true potential. I think the very lucky Keeravani has usurped her charm and succeeded with famous heroes.

I feel only Papanasam Sivan gave Nata Bhairavi her due.

Here is another Nata Bhairavi:
https://gaana.com/song/thillana-raaga-nata-bhairavi

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FYI- Semmangudi has sung Natabhairavi raga alapana and rendered Chetulara Shringaram in a live concert with Lalgudi accompanying him, I believe.

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Yes. Here is a link to a so-so recording

https://archive.org/details/SEMMANGUDIChetulara

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Thanks a bunch! Now that explains why it ought to be bhairavi. It is mostly bhairavi except when Sri Lalgudi provides bow-service in the interludes. The lakshana krama of some phrases like pdndm does not matter, probably does only to the experts committee.

Just add those phrases to bhairavi as valid prayOgams and we will be done with it!

The flow and speed of the kriti ( layam) and its forced landings, pauses and dwellings make it closer to bhairavi. Raga has layam as well - in the form of dhIRga hrasva piDis and forced landings!

Sri SRJ is supposed to have commented (Well he actually did in the Chicago Lec Dem circa 2001-2003 one of those years): "what is this pathetic (asaTTU) bhairavi?. Wish I could sit in argument with him now!

Natabhairavi is a nice tune, good to set for Sri VallidEva sEnApatE etc.! - Not a Raga!

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Linking the post from GD forum along with updated Parikkar links as regards SrI S. rAjam's rendition of naTaBhairavi:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32510&p=347988#p347988

https://www.parrikar.org/carnatic/sivan/

and the recording itself: https://www.parrikar.org/music/sivan/sr ... ivalli.mp3

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Actually the sangatis of chEtulArA are a perfect fit for kharaharapriya if you replace every single D1 with D2, and this seems to have been a matter of dispute even as far back as 1910, before the arAdhana existed. To my knowledge, the trinity never composed in naTabhairavi itself - there was nAri reetigauLa, but it was HMB and Papanasam Sivan who started using it.

So what we have is a Kharaharapriya canditate, that turned into naTabhairavi and is now sung in mAnji while everyone thinks the raga is bhairavi!! Confused enough?

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Ok! then retune in karaharapriya and lets see how it comes out. It has a better chance as the logistical spacing of notes is a wee bit better. Lets see the kritis force do its job in karaharapriya. I am all for it.

Manji (Bhairavi) version also could be improved and retuned to be better bhairavi or better Manji as the kriti affords scope.

There is no rAgA that could have been a sampURna rAga like naTabhairavi is known today.

There was a question thrown at students in a lec dem ( by Dr Narmadha recently in Dallas) as what is a gamaka. I offered one - that which connects two notes. Another student offered one more - dAttu - he is going based on varisai(sequence training!).

When SSI starts kiraVaNi humming , he voices ni-sa-ri-ni - the last bit - a slide from ri-ni gives away the rAgA. If we are going to say that this fits a sampURna krama because we do dATTu with it in practice or training does not cut it for me.

This is asampURnA in disguise!

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