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Radhakrishnan
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Post by Radhakrishnan » 27 Jan 2006, 10:01

Janya of 65th mela Mecha kalyani.
Aro s r(chatusruti) g(antara) m(prati) p d(chatusruti) n(kakali)
Ava s n d p m r g m(sudha) r s
In the prayoga r g m r s,sudha madhyama comes as anya swara,hence bhashanaga raga
S r s p m p,s d p m,d d p m r are spl sancharas.
Compostions
1.inta modi varna Thiruvatriyur thyagayyar
2.Neevadane Thaygaraja
3.Arunachalam Deekshitar
4.Varadarajam upasmahe.
5.Rangapuri
There are lot saranag ragas in Hindustani,like sudh,brindavani,manmad.Sudh sarang is similar to saranga,but they use madhayamas elaborately, one after the other,which acoording to carnatic,is vivadi
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Post by meena » 27 Jan 2006, 10:54

Radhakrishna

PLEASE let us go through one/2 ragas at a time, indepth, this way we can all learn and discuss the raga/kritis and the ul. Why the rush to explore so many ragas in a day/week???
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Post by Radhakrishnan » 27 Jan 2006, 12:15

You are right,let us explore(like the Hindustani musicians do,aaraam se!)one or two rahgas at a time..Induvidual taste varies, especially,the internet viewers,from all parts of the world.So I thought by posting three or four,one might click.
I am pretty excited to see a site like this,to share and download what all I gather in 25 years.I was very active in attending concerts,which started in 1980.I have attended concerts of Semmangudi,MS,MLV,DKP,KVN,Ramanathan(both),Santhanam,Voleti,Nookala,BMK,Nedunuri,Lalgudi(the whole family,GJR,Viji,Srimathi,even their relatively unknown sister,Rajalakshmi(?)who is also an excellent violinist was with Bangalore AIR)MSG,TNK,VVS,Chandrasekharan(his vocal concerts also),DKP,Sandhyavandanam,TRS,TVS,TNS,Pasupathy?to the present super star TMK. I used to enjoy and simply leave the place,but now I do not attend that many live concerts and the concert atmosphere,the quality of listeners,all changed,so mentally also,not in good mood to attend concerts.I have attended 5 or 6 Chennai seasons,sometimes from 8 am to 10pm at acdemy,starting from the lec dems.I came to attend one more season after some years,the atmosphere seemed to have changed drastically,lot of new sabhas,people distracted where to go,they come to the hall with the prog list!and never listen.This is my personal opinion which may not be acceptable to many,but the charm is no longer there,though every year more money and energy has been spent and more people coming?.
I thought it is a necessity to share views and experience and Internet is helpful that way.
Thank you for the response,sorry to rush thru,but do post some solid stuff .
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Post by cmlover » 27 Jan 2006, 19:40

I totally agree with meena. It is crazy to litter the forum with names of all the ragas you know without any focus. I am totally lost as to what is going on. Pl go into depth on a particular raga show your appreciation of the kritis and samples posted and discuss it so that we commoners may also appreciate the beauty. The same goes for discussing artists as well as composers too! This is only a suggestion!
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Post by Radhakrishnan » 03 Feb 2006, 15:04

Here is Arunachala,Deekshitar gem,sung by Gayathri Venkataraghavan,very promising young vocalist.Her gurus are Padma Veeraraghavan,Rugmini Ramani,A.Sundaresan and V.Subramaniam.This piece is from a concert held in 2003.Attended one of her concerts recently and there was a marked improvement in her music,more matured voice,grip over tala(which was evident from the main piece koluva,the niraval and swara for thambura chekoni)

http://rapidshare.de/files/12440821/gayathri
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Post by Radhakrishnan » 03 Feb 2006, 15:28

sorry,the file may be downloaded at
http://rapidshare.de/files/12440821/gayathri.mp3.html
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Post by Radhakrishnan » 03 Feb 2006, 16:31

Inta modi varna,sung by Ramanathan sir
http://rapidshare.de/files/12445339/inta_modi.mp3.html
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Post by rshankar » 03 Feb 2006, 21:23

Radhakrishnan,
THANKS for the sAragA pieces: it is one of my favorite rAgams...
I remember as a kid being dragged by my dad to watch an OLD movie: I was fascinated by the tune and the words of a song in it: mAppilai dOi...especially the part 'pEyAndi thanai kandu nI yEndi'...and as I was humming it on my way home, my dad told me that those lines were rendered in sArangA: I have been hooked ever since! Along with rIthigowLai, sArangA remains one of the first rAgams I learnt to identify independently.
THANKS.
Ravi
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Post by cmlover » 03 Feb 2006, 23:36

Shankar

'pEyaaNDI thanaikkaNDu nee yENDI mayal koNDaay
peNkaLuk kazhakaamO...'

- mamampOl maangalyaM
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Post by meena » 04 Feb 2006, 00:14

does anyone have sree GNB -trivandrum AIR recording with sree VVS on the violin???
acc. to Sanjay Subrahmanyan- he sang a lovely alapana, followed by rama ninne of Poochi's and a cascading flow of kalpana svaras in his typical style. The svaras were particularly interesting as he kept using the phrase 'p m r , g m p,' as a kind of landing phrase.
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Post by venkatpv » 04 Feb 2006, 00:29

meena,
cut-paste from sangeetham..eh?? ;) :P
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meena
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Post by meena » 04 Feb 2006, 00:57

thanks venkat
for also lloking up ;) ;)

here is that article:
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Post by venkatpv » 04 Feb 2006, 01:13

i remembered that phrase!!! went to sangeetham just to verify..and hey presto!!! :P
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Post by rshankar » 05 Feb 2006, 09:51

Here is Arunachala,Deekshitar gem,sung by Gayathri Venkataraghavani
I have some questions about this great composition, maybe CML or DRS (if he is not too busy) can help:
1. The ambAl in tiruaNNAmalai is apithakuchAmbAL, right? (uNNAmulai in tamizh) - will the meaning be changed if it is sung as apIthakuchAmbAL?
2. What is meant by aprAkritha thEjO maya lingam? - I assumed that the phenomenon was natural (prAkritha).
3. What does aparNAbja brindham mean? - I thought that aparNA referred to parvathI when she refused to even eat leaves during her penance to win shivA.
Thanks.
Ravi
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Post by drshrikaanth » 05 Feb 2006, 17:56

ambAL in tiruvaNNAmalai is apItakucAmbAL which has exactly the same meaning as uNNAmulaiyAL. apIta means "that which is undrunk".
aprAkRta means extraordinary/supernatural.
The formation is "aparNAbja bhRngam".
aparNa is of course pArvati as you have said. abja is lotus. bhRga is bee. Here aparNa is metaphorically called a lotus. Thus ISvara is the "bee that is attracted to the lotus that is pArvati".
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Post by rshankar » 06 Feb 2006, 00:39

Thanks, DRS
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Post by venkmal » 06 Feb 2006, 00:43

i want notations for this saranga song. Varadarajam upasmahe_Muthuswami dikshitar kriti.
any clippings also.
thx venkmal
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meena
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Post by meena » 06 Feb 2006, 01:13

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Post by venkmal » 07 Feb 2006, 00:48

meena thx a lot
venkmal
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Post by kiransurya » 07 Feb 2006, 01:55

Hi Venkmal
Here is an audio clipping of Varadaraajamupaasmahe concluded with a beautiful Kalpanswaram by Sri TVS
http://rapidshare.de/files/12701547/Saaranga.mp3.html
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Post by kaumaaram » 07 Feb 2006, 13:26

Saranga and Hamir Kalyani have influenced the film world extremely well:

Konja Neram Nammai Marendhe... TMS & S Janaki (music: MSV) ... Saranga
Chandrodhayam Oru Penn ... TMS & P Suseela (music: MSV) ..... Hamir Kalyani

[Talking about the film songs that are used as derivatives for a discerning learner of Carnatic Music, I am sure that all of you would have heard the Kamas in Malleswari telugu movie (music by Rajeswara Rao). DD Madras had telecast this movie on a Sunday afternoon sometime in 1982 - when we had black & white TVs].

Kaumaaram
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Post by venkmal » 08 Feb 2006, 19:53

Kiransurya Thx A Lot For The Saranga Clip Venkmal
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Post by coolkarni » 08 Feb 2006, 20:18

Meena
One of the best Rama Ninne by GNB I have heard is from the concert where he sings an elaborate Evara Madugudura in Kalyani.Wonder if Badri has it.If not I will dig it out
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Post by rshankar » 08 Feb 2006, 22:43

Saranga and Hamir Kalyani have influenced the film world extremely well:
Konja Neram Nammai Marendhe... TMS & S Janaki (music: MSV) ... Saranga
Chandrodhayam Oru Penn ... TMS & P Suseela (music: MSV) ..... Hamir Kalyani
Kaumaaram
Kaumaaram,
I still maintain that the best sArangA in tamizh films is the small part in the song 'mAppliLLai dOi' from 'manam mOl mAngalyam' (thanks CML)...
And for me, the illustrative hamIrkalyANI is from karNan: 'yen uyir thOzhi kEL oru seidhi'...
Ravi
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Post by meena » 09 Feb 2006, 00:08

till badri digs in for the concert ;)

meanwhile enjoy this folks-
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