ABHOGI

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ramakriya
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Post by ramakriya »

arunk wrote:Besides according to Hema Ramanathan, neither mudduvEnkaTamakhin nor SSP refer to AbhOghi (or abhOgi), so dont know if it can corroborate a possibily earlier name.

Arun
That's why some scholars consider srIlakshmivarAham as a disputed kriti.

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth
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Post by drshrikaanth »

jayaram wrote:Does anyone here know who is the composer of the Abhogi kriti "Nee cheppudu daya".---
A recording of nIkepuDu iby vairamangalam Lakshminarayan is available on sangeethapriya

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~tvg/42.V ... -6-8-2006/

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Post by jayaram »

Shrikanth - thank you so much! Vairamangalam is one of my favorite singers, so this is a double treat.

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Post by kartik »

Here is a A(a)bhogi by SRJ-a composition of the genius
at http://www.geocities.com/harikesa3/WebPages/abhogi.ra.
Does he say Abhogi or abhogi in the beginning :-( ?

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Post by jayaram »

Reading thru this article on Gangubai Hangal brought shivers up my spine...the lady is 95 and still singing with verve!

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/fr/2 ... 170300.htm

By the way, is the Hindusthani version of Abhogi any different from the Carnatic one?
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ramakriya
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Post by ramakriya »

By the way, is the Hindusthani version of Abhogi any different from the Carnatic one?

Very similar - It is also called abhOgi kAnaDa - since it is considered a prakAra of kAnaDa;
The prayOga gmrs is employed often to establish the kAnaDa ang;

Even in karnATaka sangIta, gmrs is a very valid sanchara.

More about abhOgi kAnada on this page in sawf:

http://www.sawf.org/Newedit/edit12112000/musicarts3.asp
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Post by SangithaRasika »

jayaram wrote:Reading thru this article on Gangubai Hangal brought shivers up my spine...the lady is 95 and still singing with verve!
Do we have a separate thread for Gangubai Hangal ? Can anyone post a few gems of her ? (I know, I know, Moderators you can move this request to teh appropriate thread) :)

SR

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Post by Lakshman »

You can start a thread on Gangubai Hangal in the Hindustani Music section

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Post by arasi »

Don't we already have this GH's concert posted elsewhere in HM section?

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Post by SangithaRasika »

I have started a thread in HM Section for GH. I did find one link but there is no mention of whose it is .. or proly I missed it !

SR

jayaram
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Post by jayaram »

Apparently Dikshitar has just one kriti in this ragam: Sree Lakshmi Varaham
Is there any rendition of this song available?

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Post by ramakriya »

IIRC, there is a recording of MS Subbulakshmi and Semmangudi ( A house concert that was re-mastered with violin support etc decades later) - titled Golden Unison (or something like it :)) in which they have sung srI lakshmI varAham

-Ramakriya
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That's divine unison!

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Post by jayaram »

L-ji, thanks very much. The MSS-Semm one is great. Btw, who is Shanta Krishnaswamy?

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Post by ars »

Can anyone indicate who has composed this krithi "Mamayil Vahana" in Abhogi which is sung by Balamuralikrishna? Or is it his own composition?

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Post by meena »

ars

I checked BMK comp. list, the abhogi is not listed.

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Meena
Yes, i did hear BMK's rendition but could not find out whose
composition it was.

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Post by pgaiyar »

To : Avichinnu/Shripathi_g: May I request anyone of you to upload the Manasunilpa by MDR sung in 1974 in Delhi, please?. God bless you.

Regards

P. G. Aiyar

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Post by meena »

pgaiyer

Would like to know why ur interested in this kriti/raga??

check sree mdr thread Kji has u/l the kriti
AND
hope to see u share and discuss ur thoughts on the raga Abhogi!!

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Post by prashant »

Last year the Malladi Brothers sang AbhOgi very beautifully at a concert in Mumbai. Lots of vOlETi-esque piDis in the AlApanA preceding manasu nilpa. They set the electronic tambura as well as the panCama string in the tambura to the madhyamam which was a nice touch and created a lovely atmosphere...

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Post by vijayagopal »

Bhogi is Adi sEsha. Abhogi will make it since the time of Adi sEsha. abhogi will make it a negation. Even if it is not AdisEsha and just a bhogi, who enjoys himself, an abhogi has no place in music, which is a realm of enjoyment. It can not be anything but Abhogi.
Mind you, I am noscholar. I may be wrong!!

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Post by pgaiyar »

4-4-7

To : Ms.Meena: Thanks. Abhogi is a rakthi melody. In fact this raga is slowly disappearing from the concert stage. I fail to understand why the artistes of today are unwilling to take this raga for delineation. Even KVN shied from this raga. As MDR's presentation was original I wished to listen. The thread you have mentioned has another version probably from a B'lore concert. I still request for the 1974 concert of MDR in New Delhi. God bless you.

Regards

P. G. Aiyar

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Post by cmlover »

Dear brother-member pgaiyar

It appears you have some very excellent collections of CM as a discriminating Rasika/collector. Let us start with Abhogi which is a great raga and I agree with you completely. Could you share with us some of your own excellent Abhogi collections (noncommercial of course) before moving on to specifics? God bless you too!

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Post by meena »

I still request for the 1974 concert of MDR in New Delhi.
pgaiyar
the clip u/l is1974 new delhi conc and not b'lore conc. May God bless u too.
Could you share with us some of your own excellent Abhogi collections (noncommercial of course) before moving on to specifics?
I second cml!

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Post by pgaiyar »

Dear All: I will try to convert my tapes to mp3 or whatever and this might take some time from now. Many thanks in advance for the kind understanding. God bless you all. I thank Ms. Meena for the information on MDR clip. But Mr. Coolkarni has mentioned the heading as "from Bangalore" if I remember correct.

Regards

P. G. Aiyar

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

Meena's information is correct.

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Post by vageyakara »

Shri coolkarniji and every one
May I request u to go thru my composition in the Raaga ABHOGI, which in glorification of Nanganallur Anjeyaneya.this was popularised by Shri.Rajkumar Bharaty.Ref.www.karnakit.com has posted this song.A feed back (vageyakara@gmail.com)by members is solicited please ( http://www.karnatik.com/c3471.shtml )
Ramaraj

(Moderator edit: added the direct link to the song)

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Post by cmlover »

Dear brother-member Ramraj:
It was a pleasure visiting and perusing your compositions. Let me restrict my comments to the Abhogi kriti posted as:
'Adi vyAdihara shrI AnjanEyA'
You are singing it as 'adi vyAdihara shrI AnjanEyA'. The kriti is in Tamil. I assume you mean (correct me!)
adi= adikamAna (lot of/excessive) vyAdi (diseases) hara (remover/removing) shrI AnjanEyA
Meaning-wise why adi? Shouldn't it be 'entha' (any) thugh it will not fit musically here.
Further at times the song sounds as 'adi vyAdikara' (creating a lot of diseases) which is indeed nonsense!
I just wanted to point out that a vaaggeyakaara has to be careful in choosing his words so that artha does not become anartha since folks (not knowing Tamil) will even sing his songs and the Rasikas will be puzzled.

Don't take this as a criticism; just wanted to emphasize the need for caution in choosing the right 'musical' expressions in compositions. The task of a vaaggeyakaaraka is much tougher than a poet!

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Post by vageyakara »

dear cM lover Thank for ur comments. The Name of the Diety ( of Nanganallur is Aadhivyadi hara sri aanjaneya swamy. Perhaps i might have unintetionally pronounced in my rendering. Any it should not be kara! Perhaps due to the quality of recording it might have sounded like kara.
Ramaraj

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Thanks dear Ramraj. That explanation is very illuminative;
aadivyAdhihara meaning the eliminator of samsaara (rebirth which is the aadivyAdhi) is a very beautiful concept/name for the deity. It is very important that musicians understand and sing the lyrics as otherwise especially in bhaktigItams Lord may give what is requested as in the famous vedic story of 'indrashatrurvadasva' invoked by vrittira's father which destroyed his own son in the battle with indra!

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cmlover wrote:Lord may give what is requested as in the famous vedic story of 'indrashatrurvadasva' invoked by vrittira's father which destroyed his own son in the battle with indra!
CML,
:lol:
What was the father trying to ask for when he said 'indraSatruvadasva'?

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I thought the story is wellknown. I will be brief here just focussing on the sanskrit. The enmity of vriiira and Indra is well known and is described in the Rig veda. Vriittira's father performed a yagna to invoke power for his son and he chanted at the culmination ' indrashatruH vadasva'. Now indrashatru that he intended was 'indra who is the enemy' (this is a dvanda compound). Since vedic sanskrit has accents the accent should be on 'indra' here. But as a bahuvrihi compound 'indrashatru' means the enemy (shatru) of indra (which in this case is vrittira). The accent here is on shatru. The poor father while asking for the boon had placed the wrong accent and the invocation fulfiled the request by having vrittira killed by indra!

hence our elders say that mantras (especially vedic) should be intonated properly (to be learned through one's aacaarya as otherwise one will get negative consequence!

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Post by vageyakara »

Dear cM Lover , I want to add more explanation to the earlier post.The fore most vyaadhi is "BHAVAROnivarannaHA " AND THE CONCEPTUAL MEANING goes like this'Oh Bhavaro NivaaraNaa this is the apt.moment when you have to bestow upon us the redressal from the clutches of Birth"
In another kriti of ,mine in the raaga BAHUDAARI.AGAIN ON THE SAME DIETY (of Nanganallur:
"Pavanatanaya paramaatma .. bhava
Bhaya harana paraakrama gunaseema (Pavana)
the above kriti is in telugu
This was sung by Mr.Raaj kumar Bharaty
Ramaraj

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cmlover wrote:otherwise especially in bhaktigItams Lord may give what is requested as in the famous vedic story of 'indrashatrurvadasva' invoked by vrittira's father which destroyed his own son in the battle with indra!
Small correction.indraSatrur vadhasva. As you well know, vada is speak while vadha is to slay. Indra would then have to keep talking all the time and become vAgISa :D

There is also this instance of the King(I forget who) saying "sarpa sarpa" (meaning faster! Hasten!)to the RShis that were carrying his palanquin and ended up being granted the birth of a snake!

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I guess you mean 'bhava rOga = the disease of birth (samsaara)' nivAraNaH (one who cures) hence
bhavaroganivAraNah is precisely aadivyAdhihara which is the name of the deity (AnjanEya).
Do post the audio by RK bharati (if it is not commercial) for us to enjoy!
regards...

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Post by cmlover »

Thanks DRS for the correction!
and the nahuShA incident..
(we better use Arun's program to avoid problems with linguistic transliterations :)

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Post by drshrikaanth »

Yes nahuSha (Just remembered) when he accepts the indrapadavi and insists on having indrANi (SacI) as his wife and the saptaRShis carry his palanquin

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Indra would then have to keep talking all the time and become vAgISa :D
:lol:

Vriittira's father could have as well employed that technique and keep Indra busy thus providing Vriittira a slight battlefield advantage. :)

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Post by vageyakara »

Dear CM lover, Unfortunately the audio recording for the Aabhogi kriti is not available.
The audi recording for "Aadi madyaanta rahitE' IN THE RAAGAM Kaatyaani sung by RKB is available at the Karnatik.com website.Incidentally this is the one and the only kriti in this particular raagam.I wonder whether there is any other in the raaga.Please listen and let me have ur feedback
Ramaraj

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Post by Sreeni Rajarao »

On the occasion of Ganesha habba, I would like to present a composition on Ganesha in ABhOgi rAga

Composer: Veena Rajarao

Performed by: Veena Kinhal in Bangalore on Nov 23rd 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4TGHV ... e=youtu.be

Link for download:

https://archive.org/details/VandipeNina ... 2012Edited

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And here's to the revival of another raga thread. There are lots of kritis in AbhOgi, but with most of the original links in this thread now dead, I at least hope the ones I'm sharing now will be around for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Px9xrrxpE - this is an album of LGJ where the first item is sabhApattikku vEru deivam (Gopalakrishna Bharati) - Just listen to that raga bhava (and the kalpanaswaras).

And the AbhOgi varnam of course :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPWEivfmqE

While I'm doing this, I will try my best to steer away from inviting trouble for sharing links - so mostly only ancient recordings or officially released ones will be shared on the raga threads (and ditto for the musicians' pages).

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An old recording of Semmangudi singing Thyagaraja's nannu brOva nIkinta tAmasamA :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D7ZHX4_03Y

The weight of those sangatis and those firecracker swaras at the end...

I say, this thread should be about exploring swaras in the ragas as well.

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Then manasu nilpa of Thyagaraja - this one is an all time classic rendering (listen to the AlApanA) by GNB (it seems half a step flat in pitch though).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIouQsDVtco

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sabhApatikku vEru deivam by MS Amma with the full manodharma treatment : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAUtXYpe10

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A curiosity about AbhOgi is that I could not find it anywhere in the SSP when looking for it - I found Sriranjani, but right next to it where I thought AbhOgi would be, there it isn't. So no separate Dikshitar special edition then... and we may declare it did not actually come from their school itself.

Here's an article by Charulatha Mani on it - http://charulathamani.blogspot.com/2012 ... bhogi.html

For a rAgA with a simple symmetrical scale, allowing all its notes to be sung with plenty of gamaka or plain vanilla, admitting all the linear and non-linear possibilities that give pentatonic rAgAs their vast potential, AbhOgi simply seems to have become popular only after Thyagaraja composed in it, after which GKB composed sabhApatikku vEru deivam (the story is that he was inspired by the Thyagaraja kriti 'manasu nilpa').

When graha bhEdam is carried out on M1, AbhOgi yields valaji. M1->S, D2->G3, S->P, R2->D2, G2->N2, P->S -- and one example of how these 2 can overlap can be seen in "yAkE nirdaya" (MLV's version specifically) at this point : https://youtu.be/1P13T9HmgBY?t=179 - that's actually valaji, sounding like AbhOgi.

So more of the recording sharing coming below :
A folder from Sangeethapriya : http://www.sangeethamshare.org/sripathy ... as/Abhogi/

MMI singing sabhApatikku vEru deivam of GKB ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K286EizdqvI (avarukku samAnam AgumA?)

Sri lakshmi varAham has been confirmed not to be actually Dikshitar's (or anyone in his parampara), but let's just have it up here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzGe65CIEFk - MS Amma

MLV giving manasu nilpa the full works : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mWdG27R9vc

And again, giving AbhOgi the extended works : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsiA4O1FPMM - RTP (recording a step sharp).

I was looking for MDR, and I found this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0g18y9il_Y - nannu brOva.

And here's MSG, playing as only he can with a very HM slant : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGLcyqZ5mMs

Speaking of HM, AbhOgi is one of CM's exports to the HM world, where it's simplicity and adaptability has become so popular that all Youtube searches are throwing up far more results in HM rather than CM :o :lol: - soon people might start thinking that Abhogi is a HM rAgA that is also sung in CM!! So I'm putting this one up here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOliStHosL0 - Oh yes, Bhimsen Joshi! He has sung it aplenty.

However, at the end of the day, my opinion is that AbhOgi has been rather underutilized and under-explored and under-composed in - big weighty compositions have not really been composed in it. And it has always stood somewhere in the shadow of Sriranjani (which is older and still kicking as ever). If things continue like this, HM might explore it more than we do. :mrgreen:

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TNS has coined a beautiful pallavi in Abhogi- sometimes as a dwi raga pallavi with Abhogi and Valaji. Sahithyam Abhogi ragathin madhyama moorchanaye Valaji ragathin Panchama moorchanyana... The link to this pallavi is given below.

https://youtu.be/trc3cch3oZo

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