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PUNARVASU
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I think I heard one by Sri SSI and Smt MSS-probably 'www.udhbhava.com'-You may try.

ramakriya
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This is nothing to do with Yadukula kambhoji directly, but some rant on one of my favourite compositions in this raaga:

http://neelanjana.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/

-Ramakriya

ignoramus
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resurrecting an old thread, i thought this clip might be interesting. http://rapidshare.de/files/48720719/01- ... e.mp3.html
apologies if the thread is wrongly chosen. Moderators may pl move it to the correct one.

thenpaanan
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drshrikaanth wrote:
SN3PDS prayOga is seen in a number of compositions- old and new. IMO there is no need to stir up a controversy here. It is a rare prayOga and is best left that way. For that matter it is rare in kAmbOdhi as well. Singing it repeatedly will mar the kAmbOdhi and leaving out entirely will not spoil it.
Further to this point, I heard in a lec-dem (forgot the presenter's name) that while Sn3pdS is available in sparing amount for both K and YK, it is more prevalent in practice of YK to use only the lower scale version ie in manthra sthayi whereas both sthayi versions are available for K.

Just a microscopic point, that's all. I was struck by it because it is a rare case where the sthayi actually matters in CM.

-Then Paanan

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thenpaanan wrote:Further to this point, I heard in a lec-dem (forgot the presenter's name) that while Sn3pdS is available in sparing amount for both K and YK, it is more prevalent in practice of YK to use only the lower scale version ie in manthra sthayi whereas both sthayi versions are available for K.
Just a microscopic point, that's all. I was struck by it because it is a rare case where the sthayi actually matters in CM.
Another instance where sthayi matters is PNNS in rItigauLa which is mostly in the lower scale.

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vainika wrote:Another instance where sthayi matters is PNNS in rItigauLa which is mostly in the lower scale.
In this case, I think it is a question of having the ability (for a vocalist) to hit the lower M (M1 that too!)... rather than a "rItI" for rItIgauLa. no? :^)

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Lower ma should definitely be part of the range. For example, ragas like abhOgi use it (comes in varnam itself).

Arun

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venkatpv wrote:In this case, I think it is a question of having the ability (for a vocalist) to hit the lower M (M1 that too!)... rather than a "rItI" for rItIgauLa. no? :^)
VenkatPV,

In my understanding the rIti is not about M1N2N2S being disallowed in the mandra octave but about PN2N2S' usage being disallowed/discouraged in the madhya octave. I'd like to hear others weigh in on this point...

Incidentally, TMK makes this point for both RG and NRG in his 2008 MM'utsavam concert, clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-_gDV_hUd0

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The aTa tALa varNa in rItigauLa has no instance of NPNNS inthe madhya sthayi. The Cittaswara of janani ninnuvinA begins with an emphatic NPNNS in the mandra sthayi. A quick sampling of several popular krithis [dvaitamu sukhama, CEra rAvadEmirA, baDalika dhIra, rAga ratna mAlikaCE, nannu viDaci, tattvam ariya taramA] also does not reveal any NPNNS in the madhya sthayi. I agree with vainika that this usage is strongly discouraged.

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obviously, MNNS is always allowed... but why is PNNS allowed only in the mandra octave? my conjecture is that singing mandra M might be difficult (for some), and hence the "rule"... or is it a rule for aesthetic purposes?

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There is a TMK "short lecdem note" somewhere on Youtube where he explains a bit about nArirItigowLa and he says for it no pnns in madya, but only in mandra (and I think no mnns in mandra), and says that rule is the same for rItigowLa as well. So I suspect this rule for nArirItigowLa may be found in SSP - and further corroborates the historical connection between the two

Arun

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yes confirmed in SSP (guruguhap.org) that npnns is only in mandra stayi for nArirItigowLa - but doesnt explicitly rule out (nd)mnns in madya stayi. The tanam of venkatamakhi seems to have n n d m p s (mandra stayi) as well as n n n d m n n s.

Arun

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the inspiration
http://www.mediafire.com/file/8l5ke6581 ... hAstri.mp3
the inspired
http://www.mediafire.com/file/3gupd1k5f ... hAstri.mp3

courtesies a fellow forumite.Long disappeared in these parts

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Respected Varsh-ji,
Thank you. Downloaded both the versions for study of nuances with the help of friends.

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Respected Varsh-ji,
Thank you. Downloaded both the versions for study of nuances with the help of friends.


vainika
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Just happened to listen to this wonderful lec-dem on Yadukula Kambhoji by Amrita Murali and L Ramakrishnan from the 2019 Music Academy series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNMJ68aFhs&t=1s

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Post by shankarank »

Does the BhAshAnga of kAkali NiSadha has this approach? Direct attack? :D

https://soundcloud.com/shank-krishna/ykamboji-reply

This is from Dr Hemalatha's reply in Vid. Sumithra Vasudev's concert - Charsur Arts Foundation - Dec 20221 - ongoing premieres.

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