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Post by msakella » 27 Jan 2007, 05:18

8th part:
Examples:
Panchanga-nashta:
1.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 1st prastara of 6-Druta-permutation (6-DP) of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/1 - among them while ‘2’ represents Panchanga-prastara, ‘6’ represents the total number of units of the permutation 6-DP, ‘19’ represents the respective Sankhya and the last ‘1’represents the question-number)?
To write the Sankhya of Panchanga-prastara, the total of the existing figures of the preceding 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th houses, which are the respective proxies of Panchanga-prastara, should be written and now, as per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘1’ from the Sankhya figure ‘19’ of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-1=) 18.
From the above remainder ‘18’, as the 1st, 2nd and 4th proxies could consecutively be subtracted (18-10=8-6=2-2=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 6th proxy ‘1’ and write the Anga, Pluta of the same proxy as per rule No.3. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘Śâ€™.

2.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 2nd prastara of 6-DP of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/2)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘2’ from the Sankhya figure 19 of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-2=) 17.
Later, from the above remainder ‘17’, as the 1st and 2nd proxies could consecutively be subtracted (17-10=7-6=1) consider the non-subtraction of the 4th proxy ‘2’ and write its Anga, Guru as per rule No.3 leaving away its figure ‘2’ to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘1’, as the 1st proxy of the last left-off proxy ‘2’ could be subtracted (1-1=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘l S’.

3.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 3rd prastara of 6-DP of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/3)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘3’ from the Sankhya figure 19 of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-3=) 16.
Later, from the above remainder ‘16’, as the 1st and 2nd proxies could consecutively be subtracted (16-10=6-6=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 4th proxy and write its Anga, Guru as per rule No.3.
Later, to fill in the deficit value of the permutation write two Drutas consecutively as per rule No.5. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘0 0 S’.

4.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 4th prastara of 6-DP of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/4)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘4’ from the Sankhya figure 19 of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-4=) 15.
Later, from the above remainder ‘15’, as the 1st proxy only could be subtracted (15-10=5) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3 leaving away its proxy ‘6’ to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘5’, the 1st and 2nd proxies of the last left-off proxy ‘6’ could consecutively be subtracted (5-3=2-2=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 4th proxy and write its Anga, Guru as per rule No.3. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘S l’.

5.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 5th prastara of 6-DP of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/5)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘5’ from the Sankhya figure 19 of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-5=) 14.
Later, from the above remainder ‘14’, as the 1st proxy could be subtracted (14-10=4) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3 leaving away its proxy ‘6’ to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘4’, as the 1st proxy ‘3’ of the last left-off proxy ‘6’ could be subtracted (4-3=1) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3 leaving away its proxy ‘2’ to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘1’, as the 1st proxy ‘1’ of the last proxy ‘2’ could be subtracted (1-1=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘l l l’.

6.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 7th prastara of 6-DP of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/7)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘5’ from the Sankhya figure 19 of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-7=) 12.
Later, from the above remainder ‘12’, as the 1st proxy could be subtracted (12-10=2) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu leaving away its proxy ‘6’ to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘2’, as the 1st proxy ‘3’ of the last left-off proxy ‘6’ could not be subtracted write the Anga, Druta of the same proxy as per rule No.3 to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘2’, as the 1st proxy ‘2’ of the last un-deducted proxy ‘3’ could be subtracted (2-2=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3.
Later, to fill-in the deficit value of the units, write only one Druta as per rule No.5. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘0 l 0 l’.

7.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 12th prastara of 6-DP of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/12)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘12’ from the Sankhya figure 19 of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-12=) 7.
Later, from the above remainder ‘7’, as the 1st proxy ‘10’ could not be subtracted write its Anga, Druta and continue the process.
Later, from the above remainder ‘7’, as the 1st proxy ‘6’ of the last un-deducted proxy ‘10’ could be subtracted (7-6=1) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu leaving away its proxy ‘3’ as per rule No.3 to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘1’, as the 1st proxy ‘2’ of the last left-off proxy ‘3’ could not be subtracted write its Anga, Druta as per rule No.3 and continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘1’, as the 1st proxy ‘1’ of the last un-deducted proxy ‘2’ could be subtracted (1-1=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘l 0 l 0’.

8.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 16th prastara of 6-DP of Panchanga-prastara (2-6-19/16)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-DP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘16’ from the Sankhya figure 19 of 6-DP and the remainder is (19-16=) 3.
Later, from the above remainder ‘3’, as the 1st proxy ‘10’ and again its 1st proxy ‘6’ could not be subtracted, write two Angas, Drutas of the the same 1st proxy and continue the process.
Later, from the above remainder ‘3’, as the 1st proxy ‘3’ of the last un-deducted proxy ‘6’ could be subtracted (3-3=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3
Later, to fill in the deficit value of the total units of the permutation write two Drutas as per rule No.5. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘0 0 l 0 0’.

Shadanga - trisra-jaati - nashta:
1.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 15th prastara of 6-Anudruta-permutation (6-ADP) of Shadanga-trisra-jaati-prastara (3-6-25/15)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 6-ADP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘15’ from the Sankhya figure ‘25’ of 6-ADP and the remainder is (25-15=) 10.
Later, from the above remainder ‘10’, as the 1st proxy ‘13’ could not be subtracted, write its Anga, Anudruta as per rule No.3 and continue the process.
Later, from the above remainder ‘10’, as the 1st proxy ‘7’ of the last un-deducted proxy ‘13’ could be subtracted (10-7=3) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Druta leaving away its proxy ‘4’ to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘3’, as the 1st and 2nd proxies of the last left-off proxy ‘4’ could consecutively be subtracted (3-2=1-1=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 3rd proxy and write its Anga, Laghu. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘l 0 U’.

Shadanga - chaturashra-jaati - nashta:
1.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 16th prastara of 7-ADP of Shadanga-chaturashra-jaati-prastara (4-7-31/16)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 7-ADP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘16’ from the Sankhya figure ‘31’ of 7-ADP and the remainder is (31-16=) 15.
Later, from the above remainder ‘15’, as the 1st proxy ‘18’ could not be subtracted, write its Anga, Anudruta as per rule No.3 and continue the process.
Later, from the above remainder ‘15’, as the 1st proxy ‘10’ of the last un-deducted proxy ‘18’ could be subtracted (15-10=5), consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Druta leaving away its proxy ‘6’ as per rule No.3 to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘5’, as the 1st and 2nd proxies of the last left-off proxy ‘6’ could consecutively be subtracted (5-3=2-2=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 4th proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘l 0 U’.

Shadanga - khanda - jaati - nashta :
1.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 3rd prastara of 7-ADP of Shadanga-khanda-jaati-prastara (5-7-26/3)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 7-ADP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘3’ from the Sankhya figure ‘26’ of 7-ADP and the remainder is (26-3=) 23.
Later, from the above remainder ‘23’, as the 1st proxy could be subtracted (23-15=8) consider the non-subtraction of the 2nd proxy and write its Anga, Druta leaving away its proxy ‘9’ as per rule No.3 to continue the process.
Later, from the last remainder ‘8’, as the 1st and 2nd proxies of the last left-off proxy ‘9’ could consecutively be subtracted (8-5=3-3=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 5th proxy and write its Anga, Laghu. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘l 0’.

Shadanga - mishra - jaati - nashta :
1.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 1st prastara of 8-ADP of Shadanga-mishra-jaati-prastara (8-7-36/1)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 8-ADP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘1’ from the Sankhya figure ‘36’ of 8-ADP and the remainder is (36-1=) 35.
Later, from the above remainder ‘35’, as the 1st and 2nd proxies could consecutively be subtracted (35-22=13-13=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 7th proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3.
Later, to fill in the deficit value of units of the permutation write one Anudruta as per rule No.5. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘U l’.

Shadanga - sankeerna - jaati - nashta :
1.What is the series of Angas pertaining to the 1st prastara of 9-ADP of Shadanga-sankeerna-jaati-prastara (9-9-56/1)?
As per rule No.1 write the figures of Sankhya upto the required 9-ADP (refer table).
Now, as per rule No.2, subtract the question number ‘1’ from the Sankhya figure ‘56’ of 9-ADP and the remainder is (56-1=) 55.
Later, from the above remainder ‘55’, as the 1st and 2nd proxies could consecutively be subtracted (55-34=21-21=0) consider the non-subtraction of the 9th proxy and write its Anga, Laghu as per rule No.3. Thus, this prastara consists of ‘l’.

In the same manner the respective Nashta of other permutations should also be answered basing upon the respective proxies.
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#52

Post by sbala » 28 Jan 2007, 08:45

Dear Msakella Sir,

As you had asked, I attempted to do the Panchanga Prastara Kalita for 7-UP. Please verify and let me know if I have understood this right.

Here a unit stands for 1 Drutam.

1. No 8th proxy. So no kakapadam.

2. 6th proxy. S+M=1+1=2
1 figure of S' and 1 other figure as per M
S+M indicates that there should be only 2 figures of S' in all the 33 permutations

DA: 1/O,1/S'.

3. 4th proxy S+M=3+7=10

3 figures of S. 7 other figures.
S+M=10 indicates that there are only 10 figures of S in all the permutations


DA: 2/|,5/O,3/S

4. 2nd proxy. S+M=10+34=44
10|, 34 other figures.
There should be only 44 laghus in all the 33 permutations.

DA : 2/S,10/|,22/O,10/|

5. 1st proxy. S+M=19+72=91
19 O. 72 other figures.
There should be only 91 O's in all the permutations
DA: 1/S', 5/S, 22/|, 44/|, 19/O
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#53

Post by msakella » 28 Jan 2007, 18:40

Dear member, sbala, It should be cited as 7-DP in Panchanga-prastara, 7-AP in Shadanga-prastara and 7-UP in Samyuktanga-prastara. You can get the symbol, ‘Śâ€™ of Pluta in the ‘Arial’ of symbols in your PC and you can use that. For the symbol, Laghu you can use the alphabet small Ell ‘l’ or figure one, ‘1’.
There are 3 kinds of applications of each one of these proxies and you should write down all of them as follows.
(You should write them applying to the proxies from right to left only but not from left to right)
1. (a) As per the first-1st proxy there are 19 Dritantya-prastaras consisting of 72 other Angas, (b) among these 72 other Angas, apart from these 19 Drutas lying in the right extreme of each one of these 19 Drutantya-prastaras, as per the first-1st proxy there are (10 + 34 =) 44 Drutas, second-2nd proxy there are (6 + 16 =) 22 Laghus, third-4th proxy there are (2 + 3 = ) 5 Gurus, fourth-6th proxy there is only 1 Pluta arriving at a total of (44D + 22L + 5G + 1P =) 72 (c) in all these 33 permutations there are only (72 + 19 =) 91 Drutas.
In the same manner you should write to all the respective proxies. Proceed.
Also go through the 7th chapter of my book ‘Indian genius in Talaprastara’ and tally the matter furnished in my another book ‘Systematisation of Prastara details of Deshi Talas’. amsharma.
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#54

Post by msakella » 30 Jan 2007, 03:31

9th part:
KHANDA-PRASTARA

The process of Khanda-prastara should also be made following the same rules of Akhanda-prastara but observing some restrictions like devoid or containing a particular Anga. This is of two kinds and they are namely 1.Heena-prastara (Devoid-permutation), this is Anga-heena-prastara in which the process of permutation should be made devoid of a particular Anga and 2.Yukta-prastara (Containing-permutation), this is like Ekanga-yukta-prastara, Dviyanga-yukta-prastara, Trianga-yukta-prastara and so on in which the process of permutation should be made containing a particular number of a particular Anga ( among them the word ‘Anga’ should be replaced with the name of an Anga among the six Talangas or ‘Amsha’ or unit like Anudruta-heena-prastara, Druta-heena-prastara of the respective Panchanga & Shadanga-prastaras, Ekamsha-heena-prastara, Dviamsha-heena-prastara of Samyuktanga-prastara of Heena-prastara, Ekanudruta-yukta-prastara, Dvianudruta-yukta-prastara, Tridruta-yukta-prastara, Chaturlaghu-yukta-prastara of the respective Panchanga & Shadanga-prastaras and Eka-ekamsha-yukta-prastara, Dvi-ekamsha-yukta-prastara, Tri-dviamsha-yukta-prastara, Chatur-chaturamsha-yukta-prastara of Samyuktanga-prastara and so on of Yukta-prastara.
Example: If you carefully observe the 33 Akanda-prastaras of 7-DP you will find that Druta-heena-prastaras are ‘0’, Eka-druta-yukta-prastaras are ‘12’, Tri-druta-yukta-prastaras are ‘14’, Pancha-druta-yukta-prastaras are ‘5’ and Sapta-druta-prastara is ‘1’ in Khanda-prastara arriving at the total (12 + 14 + 6 + 1 =) 33. The same should be applied to all.

2-7-1-0-12
0 Ś - 01
0 l S - 02
l 0 S - 03
0 S l - 04
0 l l l - 05
l 0 l l - 06
S 0 l - 07
l l 0 l - 08
Ś 0 - 09
l S 0 -10
S l 0 - 11
l l l 0 - 12

2-7-1-1-14
0 0 0 S - 01
0 0 0 l l - 02
0 0 l 0 l - 03
0 l 0 0 l - 04
l 0 0 0 l - 05
0 0 S 0 - 06
0 0 l l 0 - 07
0 l 0 l 0 - 08
l 0 0 l 0 - 09
0 S 0 0 - 10
0 l l 0 0 - 11
l 0 l 0 0 - 12
S 0 0 0 - 13
l l 0 0 0 - 14

2-7-1-5-6
0 0 0 0 0 l - 01
0 0 0 0 l 0 - 02
0 0 0 l 0 0 - 03
0 0 l 0 0 0 - 04
0 l 0 0 0 0 - 05
l 0 0 0 0 0 - 06

2-7-1-7-1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 01

Like the ‘Table of general permutations’ bringing out the details of Sankhya and Mahapatala of all the units of permutations of Akhanda-prastara, in Khanda-prastara, to bring out the details of the respective Sankhya and Mahapatala of Heena-prastara and Yukta-prastara of all respective Angas independent tables of each and every Anga have to be prepared. Thus, in Panchanga-prastara, where five Angas are used in the process of permutation, an independent table to each of these five Angas have to be prepared, in Shadanga-prastara, where six Angas are used in the process of permutation, six tables have to be prepared and in Samyuktanga-prastara, depending upon the desired units of permutation, an independent table to each increased-unit should be prepared. For example please go through the item ‘2.3.2.Khanda-prastara and 2.4.Tables of angas and their application’ in page 10 and the different tables of Druta, Laghu, Guru, Pluta and Kakapada of Panchanga-prastara in Chapter-3 of my book ‘Indian genius in Talaprastara’. amsharma.
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Post by msakella » 30 Jan 2007, 03:32

Dear member, sbala, Most of the month, February, 2007, I shall be on tour covering all the 12 Govt. Colleges of Music & Dance of Andhra Pradesh being my last visit. Whenever time and things permit I shall try to attend to your posts and reply. In the meantime try to finish off Khanda-prastara also going through all the tables furnished in my book, ‘Indian Genius in Talaprastara’. Wishing you all the best, amsharma.
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#56

Post by sbala » 04 Feb 2007, 09:40

Dear Msakella Sir,
I have given the details for the remaining permutations of 6-DP Panchanga Nashta
1. (2-6-19/6)
a. 19-6=13
b. 13-10=3. 2nd proxy 6 undeducted. 1
c. 3-3=0 2nd proxy undeducted. 1
d. Remainder - 2 O
e. 0011

2.(2-6-19/8)
a. 19-8=11
b.11-10=1. 2nd proxy 6 undeducted. 1
c. 1st proxy 3 undeducted. 0
d.1st proxy 2 undeducted. 0
e. 1-1=0 2nd proxy undeducted. 1
f. 1001

I will post the other permutations next. Please verify whenever you have time
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#57

Post by sbala » 04 Feb 2007, 09:44

(2-6-19/9)
a. 19-9=10.
b. 10-10=0 2nd proxy not deducted. 1
c. remainder - 4 0
d. 00001

(2-6-19/10)
a.19-10=9
b.1st proxy 10 not deducted. 0
c.9-6-3=0. 4th proxy not deducted S
d. remainder - 1 O
e. 0S0

(2-6-19/11)
a.19-11=8
b. 1st proxy 10 not deducted. O.
c. 8-6=2. 2nd proxy 3 not deducted. 1
d. 2-2=0 2nd proxy 2 not deducted. 1
e. Remainder - 1 O
f. 0110

(2-6-19/13)
a. 19-13=6
b. 1st proxy 10 not deducted. O
c.6-6=0. 2nd proxy not deducted. 1
d. Remainder 3 O
e. 00010

(2-6-19/14)
a. 19-14=5
b. 1st proxy 10 not deducted. O
c. 1st proxy 6 not deducted. O
d. 5-3-2=0. 4th proxy not deducted. S
e. S00

(2-6-19/15)
a. 19-15=4
b. 1st proxy 10 not deducted. O
c. 1st proxy 6 not deducted. O
d.4-3=1 2nd proxy 2 not deducted. 1
e. 1-1=0 2nd proxy 1 not deducted 1
f. 1100

(2-6-19/17)
a. 19-17=2
b. 1st proxy 10 not deducted. O
c. 1st proxy 6 not deducted. O
d. 1st proxy 3 not deducted. O
e. 2-2=0. 2nd proxy 1 not deducted. 1
f. remainder 1 0
g. 01000

(2-6-19/18)
a. 19-18=1
b. 1st proxy 10 not deducted. O
c. 1st proxy 6 not deducted. O
d. 1st proxy 3 not deducted. O
e. 1st proxy 2 not deducted O
f. 1-1=0 2nd proxy not deducted 1
g. 10000

(2-6-19/19)
a. 19-19=0
b. remainder 6 O
c. 000000
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#58

Post by msakella » 04 Feb 2007, 14:26

Dear member, sbala, Gone through your 56th & 57th posts and found correct. Your progress is very nice. Please apply this Nashta to all other Jaatis of Shadanga-prastara also basing upon their respective proxies. After finishing this Akhanda-nashta you can proceed to Khanda-prastara furnished by me in 54th & 55th posts and the instructions of them. From tomorrow onwards my trip to outstations starts and I shall get into touch with your posts whenever and wherever it becomes possible to me. Thinking of my absence don’t neglect to do things. Wishing you all the best, amsharma.
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#59

Post by sbala » 08 Feb 2007, 19:34

Dear Msakella Sir,
I have given the Nashta for the first 6 permutations below. I will provide the remaining in subsequent posts. Please verify whenever you have time.

Shadanga Prastara Trisra Jathi 6ADP


(3-6-25/1)
1. 25-1=24
2. 24-13-7-4=0 6th proxy undedudcted
3. S

(3-6-25/2)
1.25-2=23
2. 23-13-7=3. 3rd proxy 4 undeducted. 1
3. 3-2-1=0 3rd proxy 1 undeducted 1
4. 11

(3-6-25/3)
1. 25-3=22
2. 22-13-7=2 3rd proxy 4 undeducted. 1
3. 2-2=0 2nd proxy undeducted O
4. 1 U remainder
5. U01

(3-6-25/4)
1.25-4=21
2. 21-13-7=1 3rd proxy 4 undeducted 1
3. 1st proxy 2 undeducted. U
4.1-1=0. 2nd proxy 1 undeducted O
5. 0U1

(3-6-25/5)
1. 25-5=20
2. 20-13-7=0 3rd proxy 4 undeducted 1
3. remainder 3 U
4. UUU1

(3-6-25/6)
1.25-6=19
2. 19-13=6 2nd proxy 7 undeducted O
3. 6-4-2=0 3rd proxy 1 undeducted 1
4. Remainder 1 U
4. U10
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#60

Post by sbala » 09 Feb 2007, 13:03

Shandanga Prasthara Chaturasra Jathi 7ADP
(4-7-31/14)
1. 31-14=17
2. 1st proxy 18 Undeducted U
3. 17-10-6=1 4th proxy 2 undeducted 1
4. 1-1=0 2nd proxy undeducted O
5. O1U
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#61

Post by msakella » 10 Feb 2007, 05:30

Dear member, sbala, Last night I returned, saw your 59th & 60th posts and found correct. Very nice. Proceed further.
Again tomorrow I am leaving and return on 25th only again to leave on the same evening and to come back on 28th. From 1st March mostly I am free and regularly attend the posts of our forum. In the meantime try to finish the different kinds of Khanda-prastara also. Wishing you all the best, amsharma.
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#62

Post by sbala » 25 Feb 2007, 16:55

Dear msakella Sir,
I'm now reading your book and based on that I have given the anuloma prastara for 5-DP. Please verify when you have time.

Pancanga Prastara (Akhanda)

Anuloma for 5DP
0S - 01
011 - 02
101 - 03
0001 - 04
S0 - 05
110 - 06
0010 - 07
0100 -08
1000 -09
00000 -10
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Post by msakella » 26 Feb 2007, 06:21

Dear member, sbala, Very nice. You got it. Proceed further. amsharma.
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#64

Post by sandhyashree » 27 Feb 2007, 23:03

Hello Sbala

You are AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sandhya
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#65

Post by sbala » 28 Feb 2007, 07:53

Hello Sandhya,
The credit completely goes to Sharmaji. He has not only researched this rare topic but has documented it as well and he is willing to share his knowledge with anyone.
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Post by sandhyashree » 28 Feb 2007, 21:36

Sbala,
I know,since i learn from him..........i am also learning Talaprastara.But i got stuck midway midway due to my mother's illness and since then i havent really gone back to it. But i am amazed at your speed and that too since you are learning on the net. You have inspired me!!!!!!!!!!!
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#67

Post by coolkarni » 28 Feb 2007, 21:43

and sbala says he is afraid of quiz..
:rolleyes:
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#68

Post by sbala » 28 Feb 2007, 22:24

Sandhya - Good to know I'm inspiring someone. But, I prefer to lie low till I understand this completely. Why don't you share your experiences learning with Sharmaji and other subjects you have learnt from him? I know he has done lot of work on teaching methods for kalpanaswaras and raga alaapanais
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#69

Post by sbala » 28 Feb 2007, 22:28

kji,
I dont know if you have been poked in your waist my mamis asking you to name the raga during concerts. I have had to endure the interrogation, my waistline has reduced and I'm yet to open the scoreboard in the "mami's quiz".
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Post by sandhyashree » 05 Mar 2007, 20:20

Sbala,
Yes, definitely........
You can shoot an email to [email protected] since it might mean a deviation from the topic here....
i'll be more than glad to share my learning experiences with you........
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#71

Post by sbala » 10 Mar 2007, 13:04

Dear Sharmaji,
Please check the details of Viloma Prastara. What is the significance of Viloma apart from it just being the opposite of anuloma? I have heard his terms being used in the context of pallavis.

Akhanda Viloma Prastara for 6-DP

000000 01
10000 02
01000 03
00100 04
1100 05
S00 06
00010 07
1010 08
0110 09
0S0 10
00001 11
1001 12
0101 13
0011 14
111 15
S1 16
00S 17
1S 18
Ś 19
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Post by sbala » 11 Mar 2007, 07:52

Dear Sharmaji,
Please verify the details of Khanda Prastara for 6-DP.

Hina Prastara

Drutha Devoid Permutations(DDP) for 6DP.

S' 01
1S 02
S1 03
111 04

Laghu devoid Permutations for 6DP

S' 01
00S 02
0S0 03
S00 04
000000 05
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#73

Post by sbala » 11 Mar 2007, 19:02

Dear Sharmaji,
I've attempted the Yukta Prastara. Please verify if this is correct.

Yukta Prastara (7-DP 1-DCP)

0S' -01
01S -02
10S -03
0S1 -04
0111 -05
1011 -06
S01 -07
1101 -08
S'0 -09
1S0 -10
S10 -11
1110 -12
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Post by msakella » 12 Mar 2007, 13:49

Dear member, sbala, Your Akhanda-viloma-prastara is OK.
While writing the figures in obverse order is natural and necessary writing them in reverse order also is just another variety to make all of us more acquainted with them. In our younger days our parents are used to make all of us recite the mathematical tables both in obverse and reverse orders just to give more acquaintance with them. In the same manner this Viloma-prastara also helps to give us more acquaintance with the process of permutation. In fact, this was first mentioned in ‘Nartananirnaya’ of Pandarika Vithala of 16th century in the name of Vipareeta-prastara. But, to make the names of both obverse and reverse patterns of prastara, I have myself coined these names of Anuloma-prastara and Viloma-prastara. In our Indian Culture the obverse and reverse orders are called Anuloma and Viloma respectively and these names are appended to the things which have used these orders and in the same manner in our music also this has been utilized.
Your progress is excellent. Keep it up. But, a small correction. In 2-7-1-1-12 the permutation ‘S’0’ becomes the 9th but not 11th. Please note. Mostly you have got good acquaintance with the process of permutation and you need to maintain this level of acquaintance by attending to it regularly tallying their Sankhya with the relevant tables. Now, try to concentrate much upon Khanda-nashta, uddishta and kalita basing upon the respective rules and regulations furnished in the book. Proceed and write postings for clarification. I hope you will definitely be able to get through with them also. Wishing you all the best, amsharma.
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#75

Post by sbala » 12 Mar 2007, 14:09

Dear Sharmaji,
Thank you for the response. Maybe, I'm deviating, but I heard the terms anuloma and viloma first in the context of pallavis. Could you explain what it means in a pallavi?
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