Chapu Thalams

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sbala
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Post by sbala »

Dear Msakella Sir,
Could you explain the grammar and origin of these thalams? What are the rules that one needs to follow in rendering these thalams?

msakella
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Dear member, sbala, The origin of Chapu-talas is said to have been the Folk Music. Each one of them should contain only two beats of Drita-kaala i.e., speed tempo. Great Laya-brahmas like my good friend Shri TRS will be able to maintain them with only two beats. Among them Trisra-chapu should consist of the 1st beat occupying 1-unit and the 2nd beat of 2-units spelling out ‘ta - kita’, Khanda-chapu consisting of the 1st beat of 2-units and the 2nd beat of 3-units spelling out ‘taka - takita’, Mishra-chapu consisting of the 1st beat of 3-units and the 2nd beat of 4-units spelling out ‘takita - takadhimi’and Sankeerna-chapu consisting of the 1st beat of 4-units and the 2nd beat of 5-units spelling out ‘takadhimi – takatakita’.Among these 4 varieties the first 3 varieties, Trisra, Khanda and Mishra-chapu-talas are mostly used in Folk Music. I think the addition of Sankeerna-chapu into them might have been made by our Musicologists. Please don’t forget to take the differences of opinion also into consideration in this regard. amsharma.

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Post by priyamhn@yahoo.com »

Sree Maskella Guru,
Among these 4 varieties the first 3 varieties, Trisra, Khanda and Mishra-chapu-talas are mostly used in Folk Music. I think the addition of Sankeerna-chapu into them might have been made by our Musicologists. Please don’t forget to take the differences of opinion also into consideration in this regard. amsharma.(
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msakella
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Dear brother-member, priyamhn@yahoo.com, I saw this post today only and extremely sorry for the inordinate delay, my dear. Please find that there are no fractions at all in any of the Talas. amsharma.

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Post by priyamhn@yahoo.com »

sir my doubt is ghandajathy thripda thalam need 9 beats sankeernajathy aka thalam need 9 beats they are consideraing as 2 thalams if the reason is wether beat is same ore not consideration is about how is putting the thalam .am i correct sir
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msakella
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Dear brother-member, priyamhn@yahoo.com, (I am unable to properly understand your posts, my dear. However-) As per your previous post the first one is Khanda-jaati-triputa-tala carrying 9 Kriyas (not all beats) and the second one is Sankeerna-chapu carrying 2- Kriyas. Khanda-jaati-triputa-tala is used in classical music only carrying 4-units in the 2nd degree of speed and Chapu-talas are varieties used in our folk music and, generally, consists of 2-units in the 2nd degree. But, now, you are telling it as ‘Sankeerna-jaati-eka-tala’ which is used in classical music carrying 9 Kriyas but 4-units in the 2nd degree of speed. To tell the truth, you have taken a Tala from the classical music and another Tala from the folk music and you have mixed them performing an inter-cast marriage. OK. If you like to do such things like a mare’s nest that is up to you. amsharma.

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