Structuring a Korvai in the thani

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#151

Post by vasanthakokilam » 12 May 2007, 09:27

Let me save some trouble for our Mridangam teacher...Here you go Thenpaanan

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g2oynm
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Post by thenpaanan » 14 May 2007, 17:39

vasanthakokilam wrote:Let me save some trouble for our Mridangam teacher...Here you go Thenpaanan

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g2oynm
Thanks, Vasanthakokilam!

-Thenpaanan
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Post by mridhangam » 14 May 2007, 22:04

Further audio files i hv to upload. due to professional commitments i am not able to do .. i shall do shortly about the different types of korvai mentioned in earlier posts.
sorry for the delay in teaching further
J.Balaji
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#154

Post by ghatamghatam » 24 Apr 2008, 10:36

Namaskaram Everyone
Im a very new member to Rasikas and I was trying to access the mp3 links in this post and almost every one of them come back as expired or not found, any help !!!:(
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#155

Post by Nandakj » 04 Jul 2008, 15:39

Shri.Balaji

can you pl. give a description of the Thanjavur and Pudukottai Banis - Salient features, differnces etc.
Nandakj.
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Post by brs » 05 Nov 2008, 01:58

mridhangam,
when a korvai is played,does the basic pattern that is played thrice usually have to symmetrical (as in the same pattern being played thrice or it can even be 3 different patterns ? ) If its different, wouldn't it be confusing for the main artist to identify where to start?
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Post by Nick H » 05 Nov 2008, 15:13

Do you mean the pattern of the entire korvai?

--- well, it must be the same korvai, of course, but there are complex ways, eg different nadais, in which it can be changed

Do you mean the Tha Dhi Ghi Na Thom repeated pattern at the end of korvais?

--- it can be changed in ways that 'make sense', like having 7 beats, then 6 beats then 5, instead of 6 each time, or it can be the same calculation, but played with faster fingering and more ornamentation. The artists will follow; some of us audience members may get lost!

Changes according to calculation will be regular; from the first and second, the third will be predictable.

My teacher says: one should never play anything in the thani which the main artist cannot understand and keep talam to. Doing so tends to result in them not asking you to play for them again!
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#158

Post by vasanthakokilam » 06 Nov 2008, 11:52

Doing so tends to result in them not asking you to play for them again!
:) Good enough reason indeed.
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#159

Post by vijay » 06 Nov 2008, 15:18

Yes even UKS said this..."appdiyalaan vaasichaa pottukamaattaa!"
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 07 Nov 2008, 03:38

:)

Right. Another variation in a ligher vain is 'Appadiyellam vaasichaa namakku mangalam vaasichuduva' :) ( roughly, if we play complicated stuff, they will play mangalam for us.. meaning they would not want us back )
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Post by kadalkkara » 07 Nov 2008, 11:47

Hello,

I'm a new member to Rasikas. I really liked this thread very much. But to understand fully, I was trying to access the mp3 links in this post and all of them are expired or not found. Would it be possible to upload them again? I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
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Post by ShrutiLaya » 16 Nov 2008, 21:10

I'd like to second Kadalkkara's request. This is a fascinating "Thaniavarthanam 101 " thread, but without the audio samples, it is very hard to follow. Can the original poster Mridangam or anyone who happened to download these at that time and still has them please upload them somewhere again (Ideally, to a more permanent place like sangeethamshare.org. Alternatively, I would be delighted to provide space on shrutilaya.org, our NY Music Sabha, a non profit and non commercial organization).

Thanks
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 16 Nov 2008, 22:55

Here are two sets of files which should cover most if not all the mp3 files uploaded by Sri. Balaji.

With respect to uploading them to a more permanent place, I will let Balaji decide.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/l4gtzo ( Korvai )

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wd4ore ( korvai with Konnakkol )
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Post by ShrutiLaya » 17 Nov 2008, 10:19

Thank you so much, Vasanthakokilam. I am trying to listen and match it against the posts, but as you observed in one of the early posts, it is not easy :(

- Sreenadh
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Post by vasanthakokilam » 17 Nov 2008, 11:34

Sreenadh, work with the konnakkol ones first. I am sure you will persist with it, the pay off is really good. Balaji will answer our questions if any, as he has done with great enthusiasm before. This thread has been in suspended animation since interest has gone down a bit.
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Post by mridhangam » 20 Nov 2008, 20:13

Interest is still there. i m wiling to answer the questions as always and ready for ur questions. unfortunately it was a one time affair recording them and uploading. hence they r not available with me .. if any of the other members still hv them pls do it.

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Post by srikant1987 » 17 Jan 2009, 04:23

nick H wrote:For students and onlookers (I think I'm an onlooker these days) it is important that the difference between Tha Dhi Ghi Na Thom and Tha Ka Tha Ki ta be, literally, spelt out. One is an appropriate korvai pattern, the other is not.
Are there "tha dhi gi Na thom" patterns and "tha ka tha ki ta" patterns in swarams too? I mean, something like a "ga ri sa ni da" will be a "tha dhi gi Na thom" but a "pa ma ri ga ri" will be a "tha ka tha ki ta"? Is that why people construct their korvais with the same "ga ri sa ni da" every time?

I guess to make out what kind of mridhangam pattern will correspond to a certain swara phrase, you should see what a mridhangam accompaniment plays as the phrase is sung. Is that correct?
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Post by Nick H » 17 Jan 2009, 15:28

As far as I can tell (subject to my experience, that is). the korvais used by vocalists and instrumentalists follow exactly the same principles as those used by percussionists, although they are often short and simple, unless the performer is particularly into laya calculations.

I have heard, on a recording, BMK, taking the finishing lines of the previous swaras and combining them into the korvais at the end of the last swara. Masterful and beautiful! Maybe others do this too and I failed to notice. In fact I think I listened to that recording several times before realising.
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Post by glenn rogers » 24 Apr 2009, 13:53

I have just brought the book 'Korvais made easy' I don't understand some of the terminology so to understand the tablesand math is a little difficult. I have learnt some konnokol and know quite a few korvais already. Is there someone who could write out a simple korvai and then relate it to the numbers in the book for example page 68 below or any other korvai Thankyou Glenn rogers from Perth Australia
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Post by Nick H » 24 Apr 2009, 14:46

I think the word "easy" is for the person who is already a mridangam vidwan!

--- Rather like a set of log tables (in the days before calculators) was a simple and invaluable tool to the mathematician, but meant almost nothing to me.

I can see that it is quite wonderful --- giving the number of counts for krovais, even of different nadai combinations with the korvai, for different samum in any tala. Understanding how to use the tables would be only a start; composing the korvai itself is the next hurdle.

Hmmm.... I think I'll give my copy to my guruji!
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Post by edpias » 06 Jun 2009, 01:57

Hello, I know this question is maybe off the topic, but I am hoping someone can help. I have been studying the North Indian pakhawaj for over 10 years, and about a year ago I became very interested in kanjira. Are there any recordings of the great kanjira players from years past available? Either solo or accompaniment?

Thank you.
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Post by nlvraghavendra » 04 Aug 2009, 21:32

Hello Edpias!

I can tell you that Late. Shri. Harishankar is one of the stalwarts in Kanjira. He is a pioneer in Kanjira. Just check it out in youtube with his name.

NLV
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#173 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by vasanthakokilam » 29 Sep 2013, 07:33

The recent thread on the iOS based mridangam instrument by member Sridhar Rajagopal led me to revisit this great thread ( http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22000).

As a few people had written in this thread, the audio files uploaded by Sri. Balaji are not accessible anymore. I had uploaded the set a couple of times to this thread from my archive. Now I can not easily locate my own copies.

Can someone who has all the files, please upload them to a more permanent place like dropbox or archive.org and post a link. That will be awesome. This thread is one of our 'all star' threads figuring Mridangist Sri. Mannarkoil J Balaji's educational and explanatory postings on the construction of Korvai and Mohra. His writings are that much more useful and educational with his audio files.

Thanks.
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#174 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by srinpraveen » 04 Dec 2013, 05:02

I second with vasanthakokilam. It would be great if someone re-uploads the explanatory files to a more permanent place and post the links back on this thread.
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#175 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by mridhangam » 11 May 2016, 20:43

Recently for practitioners of Percussion instruments and also for vocalists i have made an easy chart with jaati and kaarvai legends for practising.

Please email me at [email protected] for the chart which would be a word file.

Mannarkoil Balaji
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