Structuring a Korvai in the thani

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#201 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by shankarank » 03 Dec 2018, 12:00

@mridhangam

https://youtu.be/mzanBWsf6ko?t=1081

That kORvai in its current form: 24 + 25 + 15 = 64.

The 25 has two sections of khaNDam with kaRvais - 5*3 + 5*2 = 25.

I made another one for a total of 128.

where the first 24 remains.

The next one : 5*6 + 5*4 + 5*3 + 5*2 = 30+20+15+10 = 75. which leave 29. - i.e 24 + 75 + 29

29 can be handled 2 ways as is : 27+2 -> 9(1)9(1)9 OR 21+8 -> 7(4)7(4)7 .

But just by the feel of it , I could add 1 to 29 to do a 30. Where would that 1 come from?

Well the last 5*2 , borrow 1 from it - ta,di,gi,na,tom, - the last comma goes -> ta,di,gi,na,tom ( the kArvai removed) and immediately begin ta-ki-Ta-thom, ta-di-gi-na-tom (10) -> 3 times to get 3*10 = 30.

The much loved ta-di-gi-na-tom wins! :D

Well that is not the only deviation. A visiting vidvan with whom I happened to discuss it pointed out, that in the middle piece I left out a 5*5 - that will make it a 100 and I have to do something with one extra Avarta added for a remaining 4+64 = 68.

Or I will have to not do the 5*3 - just to make the reduction perfectly arithmetic 6->4->2 - so it is 60. I need to fill the remaining 44.

Now I will make a case for justifying this - you may still call it lakshya or altogether invalid.

5 *6, 5*4 an arithmetic reduction. 5*3, 5*2 is the geometric reduction of the first pair ( i.e. (6,4) -> (3,2) ). So it is a hybrid (arithmeto-geometric) reduction :mrgreen: :ugeek: .
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#202 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by Christian Kenit Ram » 04 Dec 2018, 06:46

shankarank wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 10:32
@Christian Kenit Ram If you are not fixated on maintaining the same kAlam and mixup some higher kAla syllables:

|| ta dim - - | - ta ka dim | - - - ta | ki ta dim - |
| - - tAkiTA(2) | thom - tatA | kiTA(1) thom - ta| thi tAkiTA(2) thom ||

3(1) 4(1)5 = 14


|| ta dim - - | ta ka dim - | - ta ki ta | dim - - ta |
|tAkiTA(2) thom - | ta thi tAkiTA(2) | thom - ta di | - tAkiTA(2) thom||

4(1)5(1)6 = 17

|| ta dim - ta | ka dim - ta | ki ta dim - | ta di tAkiTA(2) |
| thom - ta di | - tAkiTA(2) thom |- ta - di | - tAkiTA(2) thom||

5(1)6(1)7 = 20

Will have a punch as well!
Thanks a lot for the ideas , Shankarank !

The frame is very clear , however I have a doubt about whether you are staying in Chatushra Gati the whole time or also get into Tishra Gati for some phrases .
Ex : | - - tAkiTA(2) | --- could be played with kiTa in double-matra speed ( 32nd notes ) or Takita as a triplet ( in Tishra Gati - 3 syllables of equal duration ) - 3 matras instead of 2 .

I assume " ta| thi tAkiTA(2) thom || " is the normal variation for Tadiginatom , where kiTA stays in Chatushra Gati , while being played as 32nd notes .
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#203 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by shankarank » 04 Dec 2018, 07:20

I used captilization in tA - meaning an elongated syllable which occupies 1 unit and kiTA occupies the other 1 unit where the 2 units is in your caturASra gati only.
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#204 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by Christian Kenit Ram » 04 Dec 2018, 07:24

^

Ok thanks !
I understand your nomenclature now .
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#205 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by Christian Kenit Ram » 04 Dec 2018, 08:56

Balaji Sir , while listening again to Part 3 of your lecture demonstration I heard this Korvai ( 28m22 ) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLGWJBGgiPk

ta - dim - tadim -
takadim - tadim -
ta - dim - tadim -

ta - dim - tadinginatom
ta --- di ---
ta - dim - tadinginatom
ta --- di ---
ta - dim - tadinginatom

Purvanga : 21 ( 7 x 3 )
Uttaranga : 43 ( 9 + 8 , 9 + 8 , 9 )

Coincidentally , I have been looking for some days to do the inverse : A Korvai with the uttaranga having 21 matras , but I could not manage it as easy as with other numbers . Maybe it has to do with the fact that 43 ( for the purvanga ) being a prime number , makes it difficult to split this number in the usual 3 palas with the kArvais in between .
So your technique of splitting 43 in 3x9 + 2x8 for the uttaranga in your Korvai gave me the idea for using it in my own " Korvai " ( ? or Composition or Abhiprayam ...) for the purvanga :

ta - tum - takitadim -
dintakadin takadina
ta - tum - takitadim -
dintakadin takadina
ta - tum - takitadim -

ta - din - ginatom
ta - din - ginatom
ta - din - ginatom

Uttaranga : 43 ( 9 + 8 , 9 + 8 , 9 )
Purvanga : 21 ( 7 x 3 )

I don´t know if it passes as a correct Korvai due to the fact that the uttaranga has the structure ABABA .
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#206 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by Christian Kenit Ram » 05 Dec 2018, 23:43

Christian Kenit Ram wrote:
04 Dec 2018, 08:56

...

ta - din - ginatom
ta - din - ginatom
ta - din - ginatom

Uttaranga : 43 ( 9 + 8 , 9 + 8 , 9 )
Purvanga : 21 ( 7 x 3 )

I don´t know if it passes as a correct Korvai due to the fact that the uttaranga has the structure ABABA .
Sorry , can not edit anymore .

Correction :

Purvanga : 43 ( 9 + 8 , 9 + 8 , 9 )
Uttaranga : 21 ( 7 x 3 )

I don´t know if it passes as a correct Korvai due to the fact that the purvanga has the structure ABABA .
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#207 Re: Structuring a Korvai in the thani

Post by shankarank » 06 Mar 2019, 10:10

shankarank wrote:
03 Dec 2018, 12:00
The next one : 5*6 + 5*4 + 5*3 + 5*2 = 30+20+15+10 = 75. which leave 29. - i.e 24 + 75 + 29
...................
Well the last 5*2 , borrow 1 from it - ta,di,gi,na,tom, - the last comma goes -> ta,di,gi,na,tom ( the kArvai removed) ....
I figured , the last 10 of 75, if I am to make it a 9 instead of 10, to get a 30 remainder, I might as well combine the 10 with 29 and do something continuous from there on:

ta,di,gi,na,tom-thangu-thangu ta,di,gi,na,tom-thangu-thangu ta,di,gi,na,tom |

9(6)9(6)9 = 39 = 10+29

Alternately :

ta,di,gi,na,tom-[ta,di,gi,na,tom] ta,di,gi,na,tom-[ta,di,gi,na,tom]ta,di,gi,na,tom |

where [ta,di,gi,na,tom] in square brackets is executed in mEl (higher) kAla triSram 6*(3/2) = 9

That is deceptively aesthetic and grammatically correct, instead of aesthetically deceptive and grammatically incorrect! ;)

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