Sharabhanandana talam

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tsshreevidya
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#1 Sharabhanandana talam

Post by tsshreevidya » 20 Jun 2018, 21:02

Can anyone plz share more details about sharabhanandana tala like angas, history, any compositionsor any pallavi or anything related to this talam plZz.
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#2 Re: Sharabhanandana talam

Post by msakella » 23 Jun 2018, 12:50

Dear sister-member, tsshreevidya,
Sharabhanandana is not a Tala which abides by the rules of Taladashapranas but it is one of the innumerable rhythmical forms of the universe. Having no knowledge of Talaprastara, the 10th element many may think it as a Tala but it is not.
Innumerable rhythmical forms are already there in the universe and which abide by the rules of Taladashapranas are only called Talas and others rhythmical forms or chando-rupas only. Thus, Sharabhanandana is a chando-rupa which should not be rendered as a Tala. But, without having the knowledge of Talaprastrara, Shyama Shastry had created and rendered this as a Tala and, pitiably, even Bobbili Keshavaiah had also accepted his defeat. Both are wrong.
Only by the grace of the Almighty I could bring out this topic in four decades and I have brought out 3 books, which are original, on this topic. By this knowledge only I can tell that this is not a Tala at all but a rhythmical form only like all the Tiruppugal rhythmical forms.
You very simply wrote one sentence about what you require and it is not that easy to do so. If you are truly interested in getting them go through all the previous posts of the thread, New thala structure called "Sivapalatalam", understand more and again come back to me. amsharma
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#3 Re: Sharabhanandana talam

Post by tsshreevidya » 06 Aug 2018, 19:55

Tq for the information I got little bit of clarification with ur replay but y people say sharabhanandana as tala


I know it take a long time to come to any conclusion. Tq once again . I will be back to this topic soon.
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#4 Re: Sharabhanandana talam

Post by msakella » 07 Aug 2018, 06:27

Unless one goes deep into this element, Prastara it is not that easy to understand the complexities of it. amsharma
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#5 Re: Sharabhanandana talam

Post by SrinathK » 18 Aug 2018, 11:26

This will need a bit of explanation. The Sharabhanandana's underlying pattern and anga formation is this :

8+4+2+4+4+2+1+5+2+2+2+1+6+7+5+2+1+2+1+2+5+2+3+6 = 79 units or kriyas.

If you count each number, there are totally 24 angas (starting with the 8 and ending with the 6).

So here, assuming Chatushra jAti (which is the only way to reach 79 counts) Anudhrutam (A) = 1, Dhrutam (D) = 2, Laghu (L) = 4 and Guru (G) = 8.

The other numbers (3,5,6 and 7) will not fit into chatushra jAti on their own. There lies the issue as to why this pattern can't be a tAlA, since jAti has to be sacrificed. This pattern does not fit into tisra, chatushra, khanDa or even mishra jAti in its original form.

If we have to render the pattern in its original form, we will have to use laghus of 4 different counts at once.

Or else, we force fit the pattern into chatushra jAti, but then the total length of 79 units cannot be retained.

Hence, to get it to fit into chatushra jAti, the original pattern is decomposed and modified. First look at the numbers 3,5,6 and 7 that occur in the total pattern. These may be represented by combinations of tAlAngas as shown below :

3 = dhruta virAma = anudhrutam + dhrutam = 1+2 -- this may be called (AD) - the brackets included
5 = laghu virAma = anudhrutam + laghu = 1+4 -- this may be called (AL)
6 = laghu dhruta = dhrutam + laghu = 2+4 -- this may be symbolized as (DL)
7 = laghu dhruta virAma = anudhrutam + dhrutam + laghu = 1+2+4 -- this is (ADL)

These combinations of basic tAlAngAs are called samyuktAngAs.

Therefore, this Sharabhanandana is as follows :
G+L+D+L+L+D+A+(AL)+D+D+D+A+(DL)+(ADL)+(AL)+D+A+D+A+D+(AL)+D+(AD)+(DL) = 79 counts total and 24 angas

But effectively the original pattern has been decomposed to a simpler pattern with 32 tAlAngas to get it to fit in chatushra jAti.

Therefore, what is really being rendered is :

8+4+2+4+4+2+1+1+4+2+2+2+1+2+4+1+2+4+1+4+2+1+2+1+2+1+4+2+1+2+2+4 = 79
G+L+D+L+L+D+A+A+L+D+D+D+A+D+L+A+D+L+A+L+D+A+D+A+D+A+L+D+A+D+D+L = 79

This is not the original pattern at the top. This is using 32 tAlAngas, the sum of which adds up to 79.

This new pattern can now be rendered as a tALa and it will change its total count based on the jAti (which will change the length of the laghu and guru).

This new pattern has a serial number as well, which while time consuming, can be found. But the original pattern is lost.

Use of samyuktAngas is essentially kind of redundant, since it basically decomposes the original pattern into something simpler.

It must be noted that tAlAs containing laghu, guru, plutam and kAkapadam do not have a fixed total length, but their length changes depending on the jAti. Only chandas or meters have a set length and breakup pattern. This is one of the basic differences between chanda and tALa.

The other basic difference is that the length of a beat of a tALA is fixed, and only the angAs change their total lengths - so only whole numbers are used to count in tALAs. In a chanda, the beat length can vary, and half beats and quarter beats or one third beats etc... are possible.

The third difference is that in a tAlAnga, only the first beat is audibly struck, and the fingers and hand waving are only there to track the length of the tALAnga. kAkapada is an exception in that it is totally silent. In samyuktAngas, this condition has to be violated as they are combinations of 2 or more tAlangAs, as shown above.

In practice, we may not observe this difference while the tAla is being rendered with the hands, both will look the same, but a closer look shows the original pattern of Sharabhanananda is not being rendered as it is, because it can't. If you do try to render it in its original form, you will have to use 4 different types of laghus at once, and that will immediately make it into a chanda.

The 128 beat Simhanandana (128 in chatushra jAti only) does not suffer from this problem and is a proper tALa that can be rendered in different jAtis, and the total count will be different in each jAtis. Also we can find its serial number amongst all the mathematical patterns that add up to 128.
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