Let me see what I can do once I recover from this nasty cold that currently has me in its clutches.naTarAjA pATTu
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vasanthakokilam
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Let us see if we can get some Siddha treatment for Prashant's cold 
Prashant, I am also looking forward to your rendition, but as Meena said, we will wait.
CML, it is worth an explarotary trip to Sri Lanka for your son to meet with that Siddha Doctor in the cave. That sounds quite a miracle, and authentic given that your son has seen it himself.
Prashant, I am also looking forward to your rendition, but as Meena said, we will wait.
CML, it is worth an explarotary trip to Sri Lanka for your son to meet with that Siddha Doctor in the cave. That sounds quite a miracle, and authentic given that your son has seen it himself.
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rshankar
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Prashant,
As you can see, I am not above stooping to bribery! I am offering you the next verse, in return for a musical rendering! So, here is the draft:
nondu vandEnenru Ayiram sholliyum seviyenna mandam uNDO
nuTpa neRi ariyAda piLLaiyai peTra pin nOkkAda tandai uNDO
santatamum tanjam enraDiyai piDitta pin taLarnda nenjam uNDO
danti mukhan Arumukhan iru piLLai illaiyO tandai nI malaDu tAnO
vindaiyum jAlamum unniDam irukkudu vinai onrum arigilEnE
vEdamum shAstramum unnaiyE pugazhudE vEDikkai iduvallavE
inda ulagiIrEzhum En aLittAi shollu ini unnai viDuvadillai
IshanE shivakAmi nEshanE ennai Inra tillai vAzh natarAjanE
This verse is a nindA stuti:
The poet asks SivA: You are ignoring me, despite my telling (sholliyum) you countless times (Ayiram) that I have sought you/come to you (vandEn enru) in a state of weary distress (nondu)! Can it be (uNDO) that you are hard of (mandam) hearing (sevi yenna)? (Alternately, 'can it be that your ears (sevi enna) are not sharp (mandam = blunt)?'). Is there (uNDO) a father (tandai) who can ignore (nOkkAda) a son (piLLaiyai) that he has borne (peTra pin), especially one such as I who is ignorant of the subtleties (nuTpa) of the path of righteousness (neRi)? Has there ever existed (uNDO) a soul whose spirits became depressed (taLarnda)[1] after having sought/caught (piDitta) your feet (aDiyai) for refuge (tanjan enru) on a daily basis (satatamum)? If so, why aren't my spirits elevated yet? Is it a mere myth (illaiyO) that you have two (iru) sons (piLlai) – the one whose face (mukhan) bears tusks (danti) (gaNapti), and the one with six (Aru) faces (mukhan)(murugA)? If you are truly a parent, then, how can you ignore me, your son, and my heart-rending entreaties? I wonder if you are just (tAnO) a barren (malaDu) individual, because you seem to be unable to function as a nurturing, protecting, and loving father. I have come to realize that you (unniDam) resort to/have (irukkudu) magic (vindai) and deceit (jAlam). However, I am untouched by/I do not know (arigilEnE)[2] any of the forms of ego (vinai onrum). Isn't (allavO) it (idu) ironic/a joke (vEDikkai) that the vEdAs and sacred texts (SAstramum) praise (pugazhudE) only you (unnaiyE)? Until you tell (shollu) me why (En) you created/gave us (aLittAi) these (inda) seven (Ezhum) worlds (ulagu), and I understand the purpose of my existence, and am relieved of my sufferings, I have decided to not let go (viDuvadillai) of you (unnai), Oh Lord (ISanE), consort/beloved (nESanE) of SivakAmasundarI, the resident (vAzh) of cidambaram (tillai), Oh naTarAjA, the one who created (Inra) me (enai).
[1] I changed this to taLarnda, as it made more sense here. The posted text was taLarAda - however, if taLarAda makes sense, I will change it.
[2] Not sure what arigilEne means - used context to translate - but, if my import is correct, then to me, ariyEnE would make more sense here.
Hopefully, Arasi and Rajani will help with clarifications.
As you can see, I am not above stooping to bribery! I am offering you the next verse, in return for a musical rendering! So, here is the draft:
nondu vandEnenru Ayiram sholliyum seviyenna mandam uNDO
nuTpa neRi ariyAda piLLaiyai peTra pin nOkkAda tandai uNDO
santatamum tanjam enraDiyai piDitta pin taLarnda nenjam uNDO
danti mukhan Arumukhan iru piLLai illaiyO tandai nI malaDu tAnO
vindaiyum jAlamum unniDam irukkudu vinai onrum arigilEnE
vEdamum shAstramum unnaiyE pugazhudE vEDikkai iduvallavE
inda ulagiIrEzhum En aLittAi shollu ini unnai viDuvadillai
IshanE shivakAmi nEshanE ennai Inra tillai vAzh natarAjanE
This verse is a nindA stuti:
The poet asks SivA: You are ignoring me, despite my telling (sholliyum) you countless times (Ayiram) that I have sought you/come to you (vandEn enru) in a state of weary distress (nondu)! Can it be (uNDO) that you are hard of (mandam) hearing (sevi yenna)? (Alternately, 'can it be that your ears (sevi enna) are not sharp (mandam = blunt)?'). Is there (uNDO) a father (tandai) who can ignore (nOkkAda) a son (piLLaiyai) that he has borne (peTra pin), especially one such as I who is ignorant of the subtleties (nuTpa) of the path of righteousness (neRi)? Has there ever existed (uNDO) a soul whose spirits became depressed (taLarnda)[1] after having sought/caught (piDitta) your feet (aDiyai) for refuge (tanjan enru) on a daily basis (satatamum)? If so, why aren't my spirits elevated yet? Is it a mere myth (illaiyO) that you have two (iru) sons (piLlai) – the one whose face (mukhan) bears tusks (danti) (gaNapti), and the one with six (Aru) faces (mukhan)(murugA)? If you are truly a parent, then, how can you ignore me, your son, and my heart-rending entreaties? I wonder if you are just (tAnO) a barren (malaDu) individual, because you seem to be unable to function as a nurturing, protecting, and loving father. I have come to realize that you (unniDam) resort to/have (irukkudu) magic (vindai) and deceit (jAlam). However, I am untouched by/I do not know (arigilEnE)[2] any of the forms of ego (vinai onrum). Isn't (allavO) it (idu) ironic/a joke (vEDikkai) that the vEdAs and sacred texts (SAstramum) praise (pugazhudE) only you (unnaiyE)? Until you tell (shollu) me why (En) you created/gave us (aLittAi) these (inda) seven (Ezhum) worlds (ulagu), and I understand the purpose of my existence, and am relieved of my sufferings, I have decided to not let go (viDuvadillai) of you (unnai), Oh Lord (ISanE), consort/beloved (nESanE) of SivakAmasundarI, the resident (vAzh) of cidambaram (tillai), Oh naTarAjA, the one who created (Inra) me (enai).
[1] I changed this to taLarnda, as it made more sense here. The posted text was taLarAda - however, if taLarAda makes sense, I will change it.
[2] Not sure what arigilEne means - used context to translate - but, if my import is correct, then to me, ariyEnE would make more sense here.
Hopefully, Arasi and Rajani will help with clarifications.
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arasi
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Very nice verse and translation, Ravi.
1. taLarAda will fit in too. A heart which won't relent and so is ungiving.Your interpretation for taLarnda is okay too--you are weak-hearted. But taLaRada (not giving seems to fit, since the text (bah!) has it too.
2. aRigilEnE! is fine and is in usage. Just as in varugalAmO, in place of varalAmO.
1. taLarAda will fit in too. A heart which won't relent and so is ungiving.Your interpretation for taLarnda is okay too--you are weak-hearted. But taLaRada (not giving seems to fit, since the text (bah!) has it too.
2. aRigilEnE! is fine and is in usage. Just as in varugalAmO, in place of varalAmO.
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arasi
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Prashant,
' We are all waiting, anticipating, something so smart and new' as an old ditty goes. If you don't hurry up, you may have to sing an additional verse of an aravam (well, it is a song about SivA too) song:)
aravam SeyyAdu aravaNinda iRaiyin pADalaip pADinAl,
innum adigamAi aravattil pADap payila vENDAm, praSAnt!
Ravi will translate...
' We are all waiting, anticipating, something so smart and new' as an old ditty goes. If you don't hurry up, you may have to sing an additional verse of an aravam (well, it is a song about SivA too) song:)
aravam SeyyAdu aravaNinda iRaiyin pADalaip pADinAl,
innum adigamAi aravattil pADap payila vENDAm, praSAnt!
Ravi will translate...
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rshankar
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Prashant,
Here you go: Corrections/comments welcome.
innamum shollavO un manam kallO irumbO perum pAraiyO
iru sheviyum mandamO kILAdu madhamO idu unakku azhagu tAnO
enna enna iduvE un sheikai tAnO iru piLLai tApamO yAr mIdu kOpamE
AnAlum nAn viDuvEnO un kai viTTengu shenrAlum nizhal avEnO
ENNi unnai aDuttuk-keDuvEnO OhO idu un kuTram en kuTram onrum
Illai un pArvai peTradu ayyA un kuTramAyinum en kuTramAyinum ini aLikka varuvAi
Do I have to ennumerate (SollavO) my woes some more (innamum)? Is your heart made of stone (kallO)? Or cast-iron (irumbO)? Nay, is it a mighty (perum) granite boulder (pAraiyO) Are you hard of hearing (mandamO) in both (iru) ears (Seviyum)? Or is it indestructible (kILAdu) pride/arrogance (madamO)? Do you think this (idu) [silence] adds to your (unakku) excellence (azhagu tAnO)? Or, is this also (enna iduvE) part of your (un) grand scheme (Seigai tAnO) [1]? Or is your silence a result of distress (tApamO) at the actions of your sons (two sons - iru piLLai)? Or, are you taking out your anger (kOpamO) at (mIdu) someone else (yAr) on me? Even so (Analum), will I forsake (viDuvEnO) you? Even if you were to disentangle (viTTu) your (un) hands (kai) from mine and go (SenrAlum) somewhere (engu), I promise you I will be there (AvEnO) as your shadow (nizhal)? Will I compromise myself/go astray (keDuvEnO) by thinking (eNNi) of you (unnai) and seeking your refuge (aDuttu)? My Lord (OhO)! This (idu) situation of mine is your (un) fault (kuRRam/kuTram), none of it (onrum) is mine (en kuRRam/kuTram)! I do not care if the fault is (Ayinum) yours (un kuTram) or mine (en kuTram) that I have received (peTradau/peRRadu) the blessings your (un) gracious kaTAksha/side glance of blessing (pArvai). All I want is for you to appear (varuvAi) and grant (aLikka) me your blessings now (ini)!
FOOTNOTE
[1] un Seigai tAnO - can also be 'is this your gesture'?
Here you go: Corrections/comments welcome.
innamum shollavO un manam kallO irumbO perum pAraiyO
iru sheviyum mandamO kILAdu madhamO idu unakku azhagu tAnO
enna enna iduvE un sheikai tAnO iru piLLai tApamO yAr mIdu kOpamE
AnAlum nAn viDuvEnO un kai viTTengu shenrAlum nizhal avEnO
ENNi unnai aDuttuk-keDuvEnO OhO idu un kuTram en kuTram onrum
Illai un pArvai peTradu ayyA un kuTramAyinum en kuTramAyinum ini aLikka varuvAi
Do I have to ennumerate (SollavO) my woes some more (innamum)? Is your heart made of stone (kallO)? Or cast-iron (irumbO)? Nay, is it a mighty (perum) granite boulder (pAraiyO) Are you hard of hearing (mandamO) in both (iru) ears (Seviyum)? Or is it indestructible (kILAdu) pride/arrogance (madamO)? Do you think this (idu) [silence] adds to your (unakku) excellence (azhagu tAnO)? Or, is this also (enna iduvE) part of your (un) grand scheme (Seigai tAnO) [1]? Or is your silence a result of distress (tApamO) at the actions of your sons (two sons - iru piLLai)? Or, are you taking out your anger (kOpamO) at (mIdu) someone else (yAr) on me? Even so (Analum), will I forsake (viDuvEnO) you? Even if you were to disentangle (viTTu) your (un) hands (kai) from mine and go (SenrAlum) somewhere (engu), I promise you I will be there (AvEnO) as your shadow (nizhal)? Will I compromise myself/go astray (keDuvEnO) by thinking (eNNi) of you (unnai) and seeking your refuge (aDuttu)? My Lord (OhO)! This (idu) situation of mine is your (un) fault (kuRRam/kuTram), none of it (onrum) is mine (en kuRRam/kuTram)! I do not care if the fault is (Ayinum) yours (un kuTram) or mine (en kuTram) that I have received (peTradau/peRRadu) the blessings your (un) gracious kaTAksha/side glance of blessing (pArvai). All I want is for you to appear (varuvAi) and grant (aLikka) me your blessings now (ini)!
FOOTNOTE
[1] un Seigai tAnO - can also be 'is this your gesture'?
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arasi
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What a barrage of feelings!innamum SollavO? she asks and she DOES!
1: idu un Seigai tAnO?=is it all your doing?
kILudal=kizhittal. so, anger (madam) which cannot be torn away, done away with; it is kILAda
I think it is Siru piLLai tApamO. not iru piLLai. Like a child sulking.
yAr mIdu kOpamO? (not kOpamE).
nizhal AvEnO? I think is: I can only be a shadow unto you. If I leav you and go, I cannot be part of you (like a shadow) with anyone else in the world.
1: idu un Seigai tAnO?=is it all your doing?
kILudal=kizhittal. so, anger (madam) which cannot be torn away, done away with; it is kILAda
I think it is Siru piLLai tApamO. not iru piLLai. Like a child sulking.
yAr mIdu kOpamO? (not kOpamE).
nizhal AvEnO? I think is: I can only be a shadow unto you. If I leav you and go, I cannot be part of you (like a shadow) with anyone else in the world.
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VK RAMAN
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http://www.acidplanet.com/components/em ... 901&T=2343 - just one paragraph used.
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VK RAMAN
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http://www.acidplanet.com/components/em ... 597&T=3992 - naTarAja pattu no.2
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V_ANNASAMY
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