Korvai required - Adi: Samam+3

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 10 Apr 2009, 04:01

To the mrudangam artistes and other mathematical geniuses of the forum can you give me a kalpana swaram korvai for 1-kalai Adi talam beginning on samam and spanning 6 avartanams then finishing 3 aksharas from samam. 195 aksharas in total - each section will be 65 aksharas.
It is for vAsudevayani in kalyAni - swarams for the line beginning 'rAga tAla".

Music · Post by **Music** » 10 Apr 2009, 04:55

You could try this starting on samam:
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... .. .
G , R ; - R, S ; - S, N; - G R, - R S , - S N , - g R - r S - s N - gRsnD - rSndP - sNdpm (21 + 15 + 9 + 20 = 65)
.
G , M ; - M, P ; - P, D; - G M, - M P, - P D , - g M - m P - p D - gMpdP - mPdnD - pDnsn (65)
.
Repeat line one again and end with sNpdn instead of sNdpm to pick up 'rAga tala' on tara shadjamam. (65)

Could be a little tough to keep the talam since 65 is an odd number to work with.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 10 Apr 2009, 13:37

Thanks Music... seems a bit tough though

Music · Post by **Music** » 10 Apr 2009, 19:21

How about this?

... . . . ... . . . ... .... ... ... .. .. . .
grs G, R, S, N, D, - grs GRSND - grs grsnd - grs grsnD - rsn rsndP - snd sndpm (18 + 13 + 8 + 26 = 65)
. ..
gmp G, M, P, D, N, - gmp GMPDN - gmp gmpdn - gmp gmpdN - mpd mpdnS - pdn pdnsr (65)

... . . . ... . . . ... .... ... ... .. .. . .
grs G, R, S, N, D, - grs GRSND - grs grsnd - grs grsnD - rsn rsndP - snd snpdn (65)

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 12 Apr 2009, 16:26

That's a good one - I've re-arranged it as:

G, R, S, N, D, - GRSND - grsnd - grs rsn grsnD - rsn snd rsndP - snd ndp sndpm 15 + 10 + 5 + 12 + 12 + 11

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 Apr 2009, 00:15

Excellent sequence.

May I interject here with a beginner question? What makes this a Korvai as opposed to some generic kalpanaswara sequence? And are these similar or related to the mridangam korvais done during the thani.

P.S. Mohan, is '190' a typo in your first post?

Music · Post by **Music** » 13 Apr 2009, 03:13

I would call this a Korvai as opposed to a generic kalapanaswara sequence because:

1. A generic sequence, even if it has a mathematical pattern does not usually run this long.
2. The same pattern started in the first line is repeated 3 times (some generic sequences maybe repeated 3 times too, but wouldn't run too long like a Korvai).
3. As a result of 1. and 2., we get a climactic effect in the kalpanaswars and we know that is the last one. Any generic kalpanaswara sequences sung earlier better not give that effect

These are not any hard-and-fast rules, but are quite commonly followed.

Yes, they are similar to mridangam korvais done during thani. Thani could get more complex, of course.

Music · Post by **Music** » 13 Apr 2009, 03:14

mohan wrote:That's a good one - I've re-arranged it as:

G, R, S, N, D, - GRSND - grsnd - grs rsn grsnD - rsn snd rsndP - snd ndp sndpm 15 + 10 + 5 + 12 + 12 + 11

Cool.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 13 Apr 2009, 05:12

vasanthakokilam wrote: P.S. Mohan, is '190' a typo in your first post?

Yes it should have been 195 - I have edited the post.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 13 Apr 2009, 06:44

Thanks Music.

Upon further looking into the structure and the counts you both have provided, I see each 65 being split into purvanga and uttaranga sections with each section having 3 part sub-sections

Music · Post by **Music** » 13 Apr 2009, 21:54

You are welcome, VK.
Interesting observation on the 3 part sub-sections. I wasn't conscious of that when I wrote those. The last subsection is the one that should definitely have 3 parts to signal the end of the korvai.

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 14 Apr 2009, 06:41

Mohan... there's one korvai I learned from the tape of Sanjay's Sydney concert in 1995... remember he sang Vaasudevayani then?

"thakadhina tham, thakadhina tham, thakadhina tham, thadhiginathom thadhiginathom thadhiginathom"

Thats the simplest possible korvai for that eduppu!

tham karvai's are 2 each (half aksharam)

The korvai starts on samam, and after you sing it three times, will end on the idam (3 thalli). The count is 33 matras, so after the first time it will end 1 thalli, then after 2nd time, 2 thalli, then finally 3 thalli.

If you sing this korvai tho, it is only 3 avarthanams long. But it comes to the eduppu.. total count is 33*3=99.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 14 Apr 2009, 07:10

Thanks Sankirnam - I was meaning to dig out that cassette but never got around to it! Its a nice and easy korvai.

rajajisrinivasan · Post by **rajajisrinivasan** » 16 Apr 2009, 03:19

Sankirnam: Your kOrvai seems to add up to 36*3=118. I'm assuming tham and thom are same intervals. Correct?

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 16 Apr 2009, 03:35

No, it is 33... thakadhina = 4, tham = 2... so 6*3 = 18
thadhiginathom = 5... 5*3 = 15

18+15 = 33

rajajisrinivasan · Post by **rajajisrinivasan** » 16 Apr 2009, 20:41

Got it. Thanks. Sankirnam. Can someone sing, record and post a hindolam kOrvai using sankirnam's pattern - for "Samaja varagamana's" "vEda sirO" eduppu (many sing this at mukkA idam)

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 17 Apr 2009, 05:51

For hindolam it would simply be
MGSNS, GSNDN, SNDMD, MGSND GSNDM SNDMG
SGMDM, GMDND, MDNSN, SGMDN GMDNS MDNSG
MGSNS, GSNDN, SNDMD, MGSND GSNDM SNDMG (vEda)

mgkumars · Post by **mgkumars** » 17 Apr 2009, 19:43

Here is one where I bring in Mishra, Kanda, Chathurshra and thishra Karves (each with 4, 3, 2 1 aksharas per syllable)

Start on samam with TKTKT (5 aksharas). Now you are left with 190 aksharas:

Now, mishram+kandam+chathurshram+thishram=7+5+4+3=19.

Mishram=tkdmtkt
Kandam=tktkt
Chaturshram=tkdm
thishra=tkt

The sequence goes with Mishram with each syllable spanning 4 aksharas, then 3 aksharas, 2 aksharas and 1 akshara. Similarly for Kandam, chatusram and thisram = 19*(4+3+2+1)=190 aksharas.

I will show the sequence for Mishram. The same concept follows for kandam, chathursram and thishram

TKDMTKT with 4 aksharas each (total 28): T,,,K,,,D,,,M,,,T,,,K,,,T,,,
TKDMTKT with 3 aksharas each (total 21): T,,K,,D,,M,,T,,K,,T,,
TKDMTKT with 2 aksharas each (total 14): T,K,D,M,T,K,T,
TKDMTKT with 1 aksharas each (total 7): TKDMTKT

Let me know your thoughts

Regards,
Gopal