Sarvalaghu and KaNakku issues.
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arunk wrote: cml - A forewarning; I am not 100% sure about what all exactly constitutes sarvalaghu (i.e. more importantly what is not) so cannot give a reliable answer.
I think in general with sarvalaghu, the stress points are usually always "in line" with the tala beat and thus perhaps less syncopation (say take a pattern that explicitly stress every 3/4th of a beat rather than 2/4 (i.e. 1/2) or exactly on the beat may not be part of it). The upside (to some) is that it is always catchy and rhythmic that it is perhaps easy and natural to enjoy it - besides mrdangam, SSI's kalpanaswaras are very attractive because of this. The downside (to some) is that it supposedly isnt intellectually challenging enough.
Arun
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Hi all,
First lets understand that Sarva Laghu doesnt stop with chatusram alone. I feel (IMHO) many people think that chatusram (beats of 4) is sarva laghu.
To explain to a lay man, "sarva - Laghu". It is Easy flow of patterns. The pattern can be of any Nadai ( chatusram - Sakeernam). Never it has been said a "sarva laghu" should be "Constant Flow" of Easy patterns. It is just Flow of pattern which falls between two Aksharams. The Akshara Kaalam can be of any nadai.
Let me first TRY to explain the basic part (chatusram) with a simple audio then we can move on further.
From 0:11 to 0:29, It is free flow of basic (4 beat) rhythm. Once can hear the clap sound in the background. After that it is improvised and the tempo of playing is increased. Instead of playing 4, 8 is played within four mathrais.
We will see more of Sarvalaghu patterns in other nadais also in my forth coming posts.
Have a look at this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6emYJ5mZRCg
The video is Re-mixed with the audio. The thani-avarthanam part is from "DKJ-KRM" mylapore fine arts concert (1983). Dont get disturbed if you dont like the video part.
First lets understand that Sarva Laghu doesnt stop with chatusram alone. I feel (IMHO) many people think that chatusram (beats of 4) is sarva laghu.
To explain to a lay man, "sarva - Laghu". It is Easy flow of patterns. The pattern can be of any Nadai ( chatusram - Sakeernam). Never it has been said a "sarva laghu" should be "Constant Flow" of Easy patterns. It is just Flow of pattern which falls between two Aksharams. The Akshara Kaalam can be of any nadai.
Let me first TRY to explain the basic part (chatusram) with a simple audio then we can move on further.
From 0:11 to 0:29, It is free flow of basic (4 beat) rhythm. Once can hear the clap sound in the background. After that it is improvised and the tempo of playing is increased. Instead of playing 4, 8 is played within four mathrais.
We will see more of Sarvalaghu patterns in other nadais also in my forth coming posts.
will see more of sarva laghu patterns, how it is challenging interms of "PLAYING" and easily understood by a common man and still intellectual enough for laya buffs.The downside (to some) is that it supposedly isnt intellectually challenging enough.
Have a look at this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6emYJ5mZRCg
The video is Re-mixed with the audio. The thani-avarthanam part is from "DKJ-KRM" mylapore fine arts concert (1983). Dont get disturbed if you dont like the video part.
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The whole concert is available @ http://sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/dkj/dkjkrm.htmlcmlover wrote:Thanks!
Where is the audio?
Not at all, I am just preparing the MP3 for the reference, where sarvalaghu does make a difference and still its thrilling.cmlover wrote:Thanks!
Is it true that sarvalaghu playing/singing though pleasing is mindless?
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Sriram J. Iyer
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Hi all, In Sanskrit Laghu is the term for a short syllable and Guru is for a long syllable. Sarva-laghu means all short-syllables only irrespective of any Jaati. But there are two varieties of Sarva-laghu and they are 1. application in respect of Mridanga-jati and 2. application in respect of Svaras. In respect of Mridanga-jatis there should be only single-units like ‘ta-ki-ta’ for the Jaati of 3-units, ‘ki-ta-ta-ka’ for the Jaati of 4-units, ‘ta-ka-ta-ki-ta’ or ‘ta-dhi-gi-na-ta’ for the Jaati of 5-units etc., etc., strictly avoiding any longer syllable and in respect of Svaras notes carrying single-units only should be used strictly avoiding any longer notes and Janta-svaras like ss, rrr, gggg etc. amsharma
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Dear brother-member, cmlover, It is not at all puzzling. We are fortunate enough to have his/her own Sampradaya i.e., tradition per each head like in respect of our Pallavi-singing or Ragamalika-singing or Eduppu-change in Svarakalpana or Matra definition etc., etc., to avoid any complications which spill out our beans. In the same manner anybody can here after include janta-svaras also in Sarva-laghu or even longer-notes according to his will and pleasure. It becomes his ‘Sampradaya’. That’s all. amsharma
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From what I have gathered, it seems as though sarva-laghu (like ajs has said) is somewhat simple (mathematical wise) pattern repeated in whatever nadai it is, meaning chathusra it would be a repetition of 4, thisra... 3... and so on.
It is not mindless at all nor boring to play this during a kutcheri, in fact some may say it is very difficult to play this properly. The reason why I say properly is because timing, and placement is key. What exactly made PMI or PSP above the average mridangist? If you hear, they don't play the most complicated farans, nor do they play unbelievable mathematically challenging patterns, but rather, they would could play a simple "na dhim dhim dhim na dhim dhim dhim", and enhance the singer and the song tremendously. The challenging part however, is where to play these patterns, which patterns to play, and which notes to emphasize. Granted, one wouldn't want to play a whole song, or even a whole pallavi just playing sarva - laghu patterns, but it certainly isn't frowned upon is what I think.
What question I have however (and sjs if you could answer this please do), is if one plays a, let's say for example thisra sarva-lagu pattern (such as just na dhim dhim), but plays this in chathusra nadai, is it still considered sarva-laghu?
It is not mindless at all nor boring to play this during a kutcheri, in fact some may say it is very difficult to play this properly. The reason why I say properly is because timing, and placement is key. What exactly made PMI or PSP above the average mridangist? If you hear, they don't play the most complicated farans, nor do they play unbelievable mathematically challenging patterns, but rather, they would could play a simple "na dhim dhim dhim na dhim dhim dhim", and enhance the singer and the song tremendously. The challenging part however, is where to play these patterns, which patterns to play, and which notes to emphasize. Granted, one wouldn't want to play a whole song, or even a whole pallavi just playing sarva - laghu patterns, but it certainly isn't frowned upon is what I think.
What question I have however (and sjs if you could answer this please do), is if one plays a, let's say for example thisra sarva-lagu pattern (such as just na dhim dhim), but plays this in chathusra nadai, is it still considered sarva-laghu?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzNTlFvF ... re=related - mridangamkid question in this rendition by Pt.Jasraj
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To : Mr. VK Raman
Dear Sir:
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21-July-09
Dear Sir:
Can I have your e-mail address?. I am trying to request a few things outside this forum.
Regards
P.G. Aiyar
pgaiyar@yahoo.com
21-July-09