T M Krishna at Sree Ramaseva Mandali, Fort High School

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 02 May 2010, 12:53

cmlover wrote:He should take a leaf out of what MMI advised TVS about humility

What was that?

CML refers to my earlier post which is in Page 1- (6th from bottom) It is about a TV interview wherein TVS speaks about his guru.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 02 May 2010, 22:28

Sam Swaminathan wrote:Is it possible to provide the "Go to page 1, 2 Next" on the top of the page as well, as like this particular thread, if you are following it regularly, you know pretty well when you open this page, you need to go the page 2 in order to read the latest reports. If "Go to page 1, 2 Next" appears on the top as well, this could help matters some what....thank you

Yes indeed! This should be bigger and kept in 2-3 places. You could probably dock off the "Previous Topic / Next Topic" buttons if you need space for the Previous/Next Page buttons instead.

yours_truly · Post by **yours_truly** » 03 May 2010, 11:36

Surprised that there were no neraval/swarams for the national anthem...maybe at "punjab sind gujarat maratha"!!...

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 03 May 2010, 12:39

yours_truly wrote:Surprised that there were no neraval/swarams for the national anthem...maybe at "punjab sind gujarat maratha"!!...

maybe next time, when national anthem is taken up as a main item it shall have an AlApanA, Niraval, Swarams and a thani. In this concert it was the last piece, so not possible.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 03 May 2010, 13:54

semmu86 wrote: maybe next time, when national anthem is taken up as a main item it shall have an AlApanA, Niraval, Swarams and a thani. In this concert it was the last piece, so not possible.

By the way what is the ragam of our NA?

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 03 May 2010, 14:25

kssr wrote: By the way what is the ragam of our NA?

They say the rAgam is bilawAl

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 03 May 2010, 17:33

rajeshnat wrote:
They say the rAgam is bilawAl

I am told that it is the same as our humble Sankarabharanam

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 03 May 2010, 19:25

The rAgam for NA is bhArati, also known as "georji porji"!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 03 May 2010, 20:31

The raga IMHO is aalaya bilAwal.
Though the controversial lyrcs were written by Tagore (?1913) during the visit of Prince of Wales (suggesting that 'janagaNa man atinAyaka' was the British Prince) Tagore contradicted it later and was adopted by the Indian Constitution experts after rejecting Bankim chandra's Vandemataram since the Muslims objected to it.
Do we know who tuned it?

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 03 May 2010, 22:35

"Jana gana mana" was written by Tagore in 1911 (in honor of George V's coronation in 1910 and his subsequent visit to his vassal state India and the Delhi durbar---according to some, although Tagore denied it) and sung in the Congress session in 1911 (in Calcutta). Tagore himself tuned it. Yes, Tagore denied that it was written in honor of George V but his critics maintained although the first stanza could be interpreted as a tribute to mother India, the later stanzas (which are not sung as part of the national anthem) definitely indicate allusion the the king, queen and throne. It is all a moot point now.

Our own revered Bharathi wrote a paean, on behalf of Mother India, for the Prince of Wales in 1920, "Wales iLavarasarukku nalvaravu". The visit by Prince Edward (eldest son of George V) was a goodwill visit and Bharathi had no compunction to welcome him. In that song he recounted all the trials and tribulations experienced by India for over 1000 years (starting with the muslim invasion). Bharathi was magnanimous in welcoming Prince Edward and he recounted some of the good deeds done by the British such as religious reforms, elimination of sati, attempts to stop female infanticide,and some human sacrifice, among other reforms. He hoped that good times would roll again.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 03 May 2010, 23:44

There is yet another story. Bharathi returned to TN from Pondicheri after writing an abject apology to British Regime with a promise not to malign them thereafter. Hence his praise of the Prince can also be interpreted as a capitulation!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 May 2010, 00:16

"Not to malign" is NOT the same as "resort to singing the praise" of British royalty. There is a big difference. Bharathi did not have to write that poem at all. The short apology that the British extracted from him (when no other soul--Indian or British--would stand up for him) was the end of the deal. No more was expected from him. The British would not care to appreciate the encomium in that poem. One has to read and understand the poem in full to know the spirit in which he wrote it. It is certainly not on par with the song written (in a competition conducted by the Madras Club) by Poochi Iyengar in 1905 in praise of the British emperor, for which he won a cash award.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 May 2010, 00:39

...or what Gandhiji himself wrote in defence of the Dominion status offered by His Gracious Majesty just before WWar II !

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 04 May 2010, 01:47

Perhaps TMK would not have even imagined that on the basis of his use of National Anthem for CM concerts would drag legends/heroes of India

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 04 May 2010, 13:26

mahakavi wrote:"Not to malign" is NOT the same as "resort to singing the praise" of British royalty. There is a big difference. ...

... The British would not care to appreciate the encomium in that poem. One has to read and understand the poem in full to know the spirit in which he wrote it. It is certainly not on par with the song written (in a competition conducted by the Madras Club) by Poochi Iyengar in 1905 in praise of the British emperor, for which he won a cash award.

Doesn't your comment

One has to read and understand the poem in full to know the spirit in which he wrote it.

equally apply to rAmanAthapuraM pUchi srInivAsa AyyangAr's song..?

Have you read it..?

Can you point out the passages that are pandering or even kowtowing to the king?

For the benefit of those who would like to comment on the prize-winning song of pUci ayyangar, here is the lyric -

satatamu brOvumayya. rAgA: tODi. Adi tALA.

P: satatamu brOvumayya cakravartini sadaya suguNa sAndra shrI rAma

A: patita pAvanuTaku padma daLAyatAkSa parama dayatO nIvu para sukhamosagi

C: andamaina delhipuramunaku vijayamujEsi abhiSiktuDagu
mA indiya cakravartiyu tana prajalandarini kSEmamulanu jEyuga
Anandamugala I lAlitODan surakSitamuga velayucuNDavalanani
mukunda shrInivAsa ninnu vEData mandahAsa vadana shrita janAvana

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 May 2010, 19:15

Dear keerthi
Would you also be kind enough to post a true translation of this lyric so we can correctly evaluate the motive...

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 May 2010, 19:51

>>equally apply to rAmanAthapuraM pUchi srInivAsa AyyangAr's song..?<<
The context matters. The Madras club (run by the British and their stooges) specifically arranged a competition to celebrate the British throne (I don't recall all the details but V Sriram wrote about them a while ago). PUcci Srinivasa Iyengar participated in the competition. You know what it takes to win a prize in a competition organized by vested interests. I will leave it at that.

Pl post a true translation of the PUcci song---not just an interpretation like what Tagore gave--involving the words "Cakravarti" (emperor) "satatamu" (forever?) "brovumayya" (please protect ) etc. Was PUcci requesting Lord Rama to protect the emperor (for subjugating the devotees of Rama)---for which he won gold coins (with the emperor's image) as reward?

Bharathi, on the other hand, did not enter any competition to win a prize. It was just a goodwill gesture on a goodwill visit by a prince. It was just a welcome but did not praise the prince personally. Bharathi mentioned some of the benefits the British introduced (since he was up against his own countrymen for being hypocritical) and ended the poem with an optimism that India will be free from the British clutches.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 04 May 2010, 20:59

I will hold my views till I see the full 'true' translation...
No innuendos please...

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 04 May 2010, 22:19

Why is everyone digging the grave and crying over the corpse? (This is a crude translation of a Tamil proverb!!)Tagore and Poochi are normal mortals and it is not unusual at all for pulavars (poets) to sing the glory of the Raja for certain privileges, gifts, honours, etc., There are many many Tamil poems in this category. When Tagore and Poochi wrote their poems we were slaves to the British throne. Now we are not. Let us move on.

Also, the point is that our NA has come to stay whether it is right or wrong, whether we accept or not. Let us honour it. TMK (you might have forgotton the beginning of the thread!!) definitely did not mean to dishonour the Anthem, whatever may be the legal interpretation.

I think we should leave it at that and move on to more CM topics. Agreed??

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 04 May 2010, 22:53

>>Also, the point is that our NA has come to stay whether it is right or wrong, whether we accept or not. Let us honour it<<

Of course we have to honor it. But can we make amendments to it so that it reflects the current state of affairs? We are not slaves of the British anymore. Then why address somebody in a remote land in the remote past as "Bharata bhAgya vitAta"? The constitution is sacrosanct. But it sees a lot of amendments to be in touch with the times. Same holds true for the national anthem too. Yes, we have to dig up the grave once in a while and shed tears over the sorry state of affairs that existed not only in the past but continues to exist even now. Anytime when the national anthem is sung the scar created by the mortal wound is distinctly visible. Remember there have been several attempts in the past to modify the anthem but the Supreme Court did not want to touch that "hot potato".Of course, most people who listen to or sing the national anthem do not know the actual meaning since it is in Bengali language. Translations may be available but who reads the translation or recalls the context when they listen to or sing the anthem?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 05 May 2010, 03:10

In fact EVR and DMK cited the National anthem as in support of the formation of a Dravida nADu. The States Reorganization Commission did an injustice to NA by forming the linguistic states. The linguistic dismemberment of BhArat is as much a folly as the religious partition and the price is still being paid. The NA which eulogizes Sind is currently an oxymoron indeed! Perhaps an amendment is due!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 05 May 2010, 04:42

Well, hindsight is 20/20. It may be a folly to have dismembered BhArat. But then the same BhArat existed as a single entity only off and on. BhArat was several countries put together. There were wars all the time. That is human nature. The cEra, sOzha. Pallava, and PANDiya countries spoke one language but were at war with each other all the time. The PANDiya kingdom would even make strange bedfellows with the Muslim slave dynasty from Delhi to fight with their neighbors. Same thing in the north too. Only against some foreign enemies they occasionally banded together. Even then an eTTappan here and there (self-serving kings) wrought havoc for such unity. The British finally united Hindus and Muslims together. But then when their departure was imminent, the Muslims started to strain the seams. Then the linguists were not far behind. So BhArat is only a loose federation of states like European Union. If only India functioned like the EU it would be better for everybody. But then what is certain in this world? Greece is wreaking havoc on Europe. Like I say, the entropy of the universe is increasing day by day and there is no force on earth (human or divine) that can stop it. Sorry to digress!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 05 May 2010, 05:02

What will be will be!
I agree the British at least created BhAta after Bharatha and Asoka tried and succeeded. The Nationalism was born only due to that unification but who knows some aliens in future may still unite us into akhaNDa BhArat!

thenpaanan · Post by **thenpaanan** » 05 May 2010, 17:34

gardabha_gana wrote:Re: Jana gana Mana - well full marks to TMK on this - it is a nice way to end. It would be even better had he sung Pavamana before the anthem

People might have started leaving halfway through pavamAna and have to stand in attention in the hallways! ;(

TMK is indeed a very interesting musician! Unlike other musicians he (i) experiments with the concert format, changing it all the time (ii) is not afraid of falling flat on stage and (iii) is outspoken about his views, irrespective of authority. To me this only means that he is a very serious musician. It could be said that it would be better if he was nicer but then we are putting the musicians up to a higher bar -- why should we expect musicians to be meek and genteel when we the listeners are hardly ever so? It probably takes a lot of guts to be like that, even if it sounds like arrogance.

TMK is trying to inject new ideas into a (slowly) ossifying tradition and new ideas are always hard to sort out. Imagine those people long ago who said "why is this young man trying to invent new ragas when our respected elders have given us fifty solid ragas?" Even if the current generation does not, future CMusicians will surely benefit from TMK's experimentation, figuring out what worked and what to avoid and why.

-Then Paanan

KSJaishankar · Post by **KSJaishankar** » 07 May 2010, 16:32

thenpaanan wrote:TMK is indeed a very interesting musician! Unlike other musicians he (i) experiments with the concert format, changing it all the time (ii) is not afraid of falling flat on stage and (iii) is outspoken about his views, irrespective of authority. To me this only means that he is a very serious musician. It could be said that it would be better if he was nicer but then we are putting the musicians up to a higher bar -- why should we expect musicians to be meek and genteel when we the listeners are hardly ever so? It probably takes a lot of guts to be like that, even if it sounds like arrogance.

Bravo![update][/update]

raghavt · Post by **raghavt** » 07 May 2010, 21:13

Singing of National Anthem:

Its indeed a disrespect to the National Anthem if the artists sat on the platform when it was sung. A person can give litigation in court and sue all the individuals who sat. A similar litigation was filed in court against former State Minister for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor. He adopted US-Style, placing the right arm on chest while singing the National Anthem at a public function in Kerala. And in Kerala such deeds do not go unnoticed

A case was filed against him and he had to apologize.

Thank God TMK didn't attempt any such 'innovations' when he sang for a temple concert recently in Thrissur District, Kerala.

He sang very well, but the accompanists were very lacking in their calibre which was the shortcoming of that concert.

Thank you.

eppramod · Post by **eppramod** » 07 May 2010, 22:41

raghavt wrote:Singing of National Anthem:

Thank God TMK didn't attempt any such 'innovations' when he sang for a temple concert recently in Thrissur District, Kerala.
He sang very well, but the accompanists were very lacking in their calibre which was the shortcoming of that concert.

Thank you.

Are you talking about "Irinjalakkuda Koodalmanickam temple" concert?
I heard that he will be singing there? What all did he sing?

Regards,
Pramod

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 08 May 2010, 08:48

raghavt wrote:Singing of National Anthem:

Its indeed a disrespect to the National Anthem if the artists sat on the platform when it was sung. A person can give litigation in court and sue all the individuals who sat. A similar litigation was filed in court against former State Minister for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor. He adopted US-Style, placing the right arm on chest while singing the National Anthem at a public function in Kerala.
Thank you.

I think that all of us who have been posting that it is wrong for performers to sit while performing the anthem are mistaken.

I am quite sure that the armed force bands which perform the anthem are not all standing, and definitely not all in attention, while performing the anthem during say, the republic day parades.

It is for the audiences to stand in attention, definitely. but to expect performers who are handling their instruments to stand may be inconsiderate. A vainika is precluded from ever attempting the national anthem, by this line of thought.

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 08 May 2010, 20:21

It is unfortunate that the singer just sang the national anthem after the concert and we have been giving our views on such an issue.one way or another depending on our perception,one begins to wonder whether it was a deliberate attempt to keep the rasikas engaged in an unwanted discussion. It would be more fruitful if his music is discussed at length I hope singers would not indulge in such an exercise to remain in news.Let us put a stop to this futile discussion and revert to matters of music.Ragjay

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 08 May 2010, 20:32

When something new is introduced in any art, including CM, it is discussed. If you know of any other CM artists singing National Anthem after CM concerts, please bring it up

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 08 May 2010, 20:35

Discussion of music invloves more than just music. It involves music, the style, the musician's approach, the musician's antics, the organization, the venue, the sound system, the choice of kritis, the fidelity to sAhityam and a whole host of other things. A discussion should not always center on heaping praise on the artiste---deserved or not. If you are in the kitchen you have to bear the heat. |(

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 08 May 2010, 21:06

Nobody can dictate what is discussed here or not. Of course the discussion must have relevance to CM. Some unrelated ones can be discussed at the Lounge. Perhaps this discussion could have been at the lounge since it is sidelined but that is optional.

Those who are only looking for the 'cream' of CM (as per their personal prediliction) can desist or not participate in these discussions.
Stopping the sideline discussions will kill the life out of this Forum!

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 09 May 2010, 09:10

Cmlover It was and will never be my intention to moderate or dictate what has been or is to be discussed and otherwise.I have been following this discussion and it appears to be a pro vs anti TMK centric debate and it is leading to nowhere.i have expressed my view. It is a fact that artists are free to sing what they want in a performance and rasikas may or may not accept any novel concept. It is only one point of view, which you may not accept, but that does not give any one the right to dictate whether one should participate in a debate or not.I have put my view in proper perspective I hope. Ragjay

sridhar_ranga · Post by **sridhar_ranga** » 09 May 2010, 15:46

VK RAMAN wrote: If you know of any other CM artists singing National Anthem after CM concerts, please bring it up

I have once heard a Rabindra Sangeet artiste sing Jana Gana Mana, in Calcutta. I don't remember much of it now except that it was a very slow rendition, in a tune (to my mind) typical of Rabindra Sangeet. Tunewise it was nowhere close to the national anthem.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 09 May 2010, 19:03

>>.Let us put a stop to this futile discussion and revert to matters of music.Ragjay<<
Ragjay:
You were trying to stop the discussion as reflected in this remark of yours. That is the function reserved for moderator and that too when the situation gets volatile or acrimonious. In the case of TMK singing the national anthem in CM concert is controversial and sure enough arguments can be made both in favor and against that decision. So long as there are no personal attacks the discussion can continue. It will eventually fade.
As for TMK's music (only his music) you can start a separate thread.

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 09 May 2010, 20:32

mahakavi wrote:>>.
As for TMK's music (only his music) you can start a separate thread.

Absolutely. This is reserved as TMK's "OTHER THAN MUSIC" thread!! :$

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 07 Jun 2010, 15:18

All said and done, Our minds are still filled with agony when we think of one of our valuable and knowlegable forumites s_hari was threatened with legal action despite apologising by two artists for his action for posting their kutcheri excerpts (I DO NOT NAME THEM for fear of being dragged to court at this ripe old age )
(mods for approval or striking out)
s_hari has stopped contributing. gobilalitha

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 07 Jun 2010, 17:24

gobilalitha wrote:All said and done, Our minds are still filled with agony when we think of one of our valuable and knowlegable forumites s_hari was threatened with legal action despite apologising by two artists for his action for posting their kutcheri excerpts (I DO NOT NAME THEM for fear of being dragged to court at this ripe old age )
(mods for approval or striking out)
s_hari has stopped contributing. gobilalitha

Yes, it is unfortunate. However, so long as we don't commit the offense of slander or libel, discussion of music and musician's approach is perfectly legal. If you, gobilalitha, should be dragged to the court I will be at the forefront to prevent you from being dragged :@

Ragjay · Post by **Ragjay** » 11 Jun 2010, 19:25

It has never and will never be my intention to moderate any discussion,perhaps inadvertently I have typed the line let us stop this futile discussion and revert to matters of music. I thank all those who have remarked about my post and made me wiser. Wiser counsel shall prevail and I do not intend making any remark on such issues, but shall remain a mute spectator....Ragjay

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 11 Jun 2010, 19:58

gobilalitha wrote:(I DO NOT NAME THEM for fear of being dragged to court at this ripe old age )

The picture of gobilalitha being dragged to court for this 'crime' is hilarious indeed!
Imagine the court scene:
Lawyer: your honour, GBL here named a few people in connection with a song upload!
Judge: how dare you? Ok, I sentence you to 100 years rigrous imprisonment, and a fine of 10 crore rupees! That should you teach a lesson [whatever that is]!
Court dismissed!
<GBL walks in chains to prison - he turns back and shows the Victory sign and smiles>
<And Ragjay watches all this in silence>
<end of story>

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Jun 2010, 06:12

A commission has been set up to investigate whether the judge was related to the unnamed parties that GBL was accused of citing. The judge should have recused himself from the case but he did not. If it is found that the judge had a vested interest in this case, he will be dismissed from the judiciary and GBL will be released forthwith. I am working on that investigation (as an investigative journalist)

ragool · Post by **ragool** » 13 Jun 2010, 23:44

I happened to attend the TMK concert in question. I am quite bemused by the fuss over it all. When I attend a carnatic concert or even visit a temple, I am very consciously paying homage to my wonderful civilisation and all the creativity that has risen from it. To me it was a nice way to finish the concert by singing the Anthem. Indeed I was moved to the point that my eyes went moist :$ . To me, there is nothing trivial about a Carnatic concert such that the N.A or a rendition of Vande Mataram is not worthy of it. I would actually love to experience this final tribute in every concert or dance programme I attend. (That the N.A may have been a tribute to George V is a different story

)

I am inclined to believe that those critics who find fault with this have done so because they were not there to experience the feelings of patriotism behind it. I was a witness to the "regionalism" tainted speech and the rejoinder by TMK. I dont understand a word of kannada but even then, to me it was beginning to sound boring and repetitive as to induce a yawn in me. I think TMK was ticked off by the mistake of the presenter in firstly hijacking his own introduction of BS Purushottam, and then dwelling for way too long in singing the glories of Kannada culture - he should have been brief on this topic and reminder of regional achievements. Having photographed in detail, a few of the archaeological monuments of Karnataka's historical glory for my personal pleasure, I have all the respect for Kannadigas and their past. Just that the longish speech that showed no signs of ending - one that would certainly not go down in history as another great achievement for Kannada literary culture, and this may have ticked off TMK enough to interrupt it. The presenter was getting to be quite a bore honestly! I quite empathised with TMK getting impatient as it was not the end of the concert yet. I guess he decided to rub it in by singing the N.A towards the very end - he may have made the decision after the brief exchange of words.

Lastly, and off topic but I want to add - the brand of regionalism we see frequently today is only a reaction to the pressure of homogenisation that had risen in the last 60 years or so and stemming from a western mindset in the political class (Nehru's legacy) and the media. As is beautifully pointed out in a famous blog by SenthilRaja (which I wont reference here because it is seriously off-topic - google "pluralist encounter" if you want) - the western brand of homogenisation is actually an imposition of the language, culture, religion and customs of the dominant ethnic group on all others - the result of cultural, and often physical, extermination of diverse identities by one intolerant and powerful group. India is not like that - we all know that. For many thousand years, multiple ethnic groups, languages and sub-cultures have flourished without being overwhelmed by each other in traditional Indian society (some exceptions and events notwithstanding). Today that notion is being challenged by a hard reality that leaves the majority out of economic growth, prosperity and social empowerment, if they do not master a foreign language (English), and also by a level of centralisation in (inept) governance that Bharat has seldom witnessed in a thousand years. Hence I would keep a more tolerant view of regionalism, understanding that the root cause of this is actually a malignant form of thinking endemic to western civilisation and imported into our scenario with detrimental effect.

Regards

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 14 Jun 2010, 00:02

Why BRING up UNNECESSARY commentary which is uncalled for REG NEHRU ETC. Those in the "know" are still wondering at the PROFOUND& FAR REACHING INSIGHTS of Nehru& BHABHA which it can be argued is the MAIN reason for the current state of Indian Science& Technology .....I would like to think most of us have enough brain power to sort these kinds of pseudo-profound analyses about the past 1000? years etc......Esp as IT greatness has been presented as the innate genius of Indians......VKV

ragool · Post by **ragool** » 17 Jun 2010, 00:41

cacm wrote:Why BRING up UNNECESSARY commentary which is uncalled for REG NEHRU ETC. Those in the "know" are still wondering at the PROFOUND& FAR REACHING INSIGHTS of Nehru& BHABHA which it can be argued is the MAIN reason for the current state of Indian Science& Technology .....I would like to think most of us have enough brain power to sort these kinds of pseudo-profound analyses about the past 1000? years etc......Esp as IT greatness has been presented as the innate genius of Indians......VKV

Then there are some who develop rashes at the mere mention that something good emerged out of India and indulge in needless rhetoric with key qualifier words. Care to qualify what is "pseudo-profound"? Can we dwell on why it is pseudo? You can P.M me and keep it off this thread. But mind you I will not allow you to beat around the bush and distract with other well known "facts" that you claim are examples for your point - you have to explain every choice of word you throw.

Agreed it was OT but your response is crass.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 17 Jun 2010, 02:47

Why BRING up UNNECESSARY commentary which is uncalled for REG NEHRU ETC. Those in the "know" are still wondering at the PROFOUND& FAR REACHING INSIGHTS of Nehru& BHABHA which it can be argued is the MAIN reason for the current state of Indian Science& Technology .....I would like to think most of us have enough brain power to sort these kinds of pseudo-profound analyses about the past 1000? years etc......Esp as IT greatness has been presented as the innate genius of Indians......VKV
Then there are some who develop rashes at the mere mention that something good emerged out of India and indulge in needless rhetoric with key qualifier words. Care to qualify what is "pseudo-profound"? Can we dwell on why it is pseudo? You can P.M me and keep it off this thread. But mind you I will not allow you to beat around the bush and distract with other well known "facts" that you claim are examples for your point - you have to explain every choice of word you throw.

Agreed it was OT but your response is crass.[/quote]

LIFE is SHORT ESP. for me at 76! I will concede your point that you are right as far as you are concerned....VKV

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 17 Jun 2010, 03:18

One person's treasure is another person's trash.

MV · Post by MV » 17 Jun 2010, 04:45

I have been reading the posts here with great interest. I was not present at the concert but for what its worth I thought I'd share my thoughts.
Firstly, when there is a vocalist and accompanists, there is the unspoken etiquette that the vocalist is the lead. Either in introduction or summation, the lead artiste gets the most mention.
About singing the national anthem-it probably was a response from TMK to the regionalist comment or came as a natural artistic flow. Either way, if we are including Abhangs and Bhajans in our concerts why is our own National Anthem taboo. I personally am not a great fan of requests to the artist though I do understand the desire for rasikas to hear a particular song live. I would rather hear what the artiste's thoughts and interpretations of music on that day are. So maybe the NA was on TMK's thoughts that day!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 17 Jun 2010, 05:26

>>So maybe the NA was on TMK's thoughts that day!<<
Maybe that is reading too much into the mind of TMK

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 17 Jun 2010, 05:37

Why hasn't this topic died yet?

You are all doing what exactly publicity-seekers want.

Why doesn't somebody start a separate thread about T M Krishna's article in "The HIndu" about his opposition to the death penalty for Kasab, the Pakistani who was a participant in the 26/11terrorist shooting spree in Bombay?

Don't tell me you didn't know about it!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 17 Jun 2010, 06:06

Instead of asking others to do it, you can do the honors yourself in the Members' lounge.