Forum laws

carnaticlaw · Post by **carnaticlaw** » 06 Aug 2010, 04:00

Hi,

I just registered to participate in this forum. For people to successfully register, I noticed, they have to agree to a "brief" forum policy, part of which goes like this:

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-orientated or any other material that may violate any laws be it of your country, the country where â€œrasikas.orgâ€ is hosted or International Law. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned, with notification of your Internet Service Provider if deemed required by us. The IP address of all posts are recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that â€œrasikas.orgâ€ have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit."

I would like to remind you of "Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co." case, a short form order can be accessed here:

http://w2.eff.org/legal/cases/Stratton_ ... l.decision

When Stratton sued Prodigy services for a defamatory remark made by an unidentified user on their site, the Supreme court of New York held that Prodigy, the online service provider, was liable as a publisher of the content created by its users for various reasons, the main reason being they have the editorial powers.

A person shall not be considered the author if he is only involved as the operator of or provider of access to a communications system by means of which the statement is transmitted, or made available, by a person over whom he has no effective control.

rasikas.org clearly states that if they see fit, they can edit or remove messages. Informing ISPs by obtaining IPs of the users is a serious misuse of personal information.

Remember, whenStratton sued Prodigy, Prodigy had 2 million active subscribers (so volume is no excuse). The definition of online service provider has become broader ever since and it includes people who host and administer forums.

As an aside, I request the administrator to englighten the users on how their personal information is being used including their IPs.

With appropriate respect,
CL

carnaticlaw · Post by **carnaticlaw** » 09 Aug 2010, 05:30

sramesh,

are you doing OK? I do not understand your reply (rather a modified version of my original post). We are talking about protecting an individual's privacy on this forum.

Informative posts are welcome. Like I mentioned in my original post, the onus is on the moderator(s) (and not on the person who posts the message) to make sure there is no defamation.

Thanks,
CL

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 11 Aug 2010, 08:25

Carnaticlaw:
Your point is valid, only for commercial services. rasikas.org is an entity which is run by the moderators/adminstrator with the speicific provision that members (who are not subscribers who pay to be members) abide by a general code of conduct. As for informing the ISP of the transgressor, I do not see that happening here. The member is banned from posting in the future. I agree with you that informing the ISP of the poster is going too far and the "abuser" can really sue the organization if that happens ever. Besides, if identity theft occurs without the knowledge of the poster and an abusive post is published, even banning the poster without an explanation from the poster is unwarranted.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 11 Aug 2010, 08:29

carnaticlaw wrote:sramesh,

are you doing OK? I do not understand your reply (rather a modified version of my original post). We are talking about protecting an individual's privacy on this forum.

Informative posts are welcome. Like I mentioned in my original post, the onus is on the moderator(s) (and not on the person who posts the message) to make sure there is no defamation.

Thanks,
CL

CL:
sramesh is a musical instruments teacher and he has an unrestricted license to write at this site what he pleases. At one time he asked me to eat sand and drink water for pointing out an error in his post. In your case he was angry and did not want to say anything. :devil: I thought I'd forwarn you on this matter.

Enna_Solven · Post by **Enna_Solven** » 11 Aug 2010, 09:13

Oh no, mahakavi! He has actually complained about you to madam. Read the last paragraph that he added while quoting carnaticlaw. You are in trouble

carnaticlaw · Post by **carnaticlaw** » 11 Aug 2010, 19:57

MK,

while you might be right about the applicability of the law to commercial websites (from a monetary lawsuit perspective), the law is very much valid when it comes to defining authorship of posts. As long as the administrator has editorial powers over which the user does not have any control, the user, by default, loses authorship. It is not clear in which country this site is being hosted - there is no physical address associated with this site in case I want to write to the host regarding questions about their privacy policy. While several sites use IPs to gather information like demography, diagnosing problems with the host's server etc, they do not (and CANNOT) pass on the information to a third party (including the user's ISP).

On sramesh -
one of his posts elsewhere, he wanted a 'namaskaram' smiley to express his 'respect' - so that speaks. I will ignore him in the future.

Thanks,
CL

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 11 Aug 2010, 23:00

>>With appropriate respect, : thank you madum it is really secured by extending your kind cooperation, there are lot of insulting words like pig etc under the thread National programme of music, I pray that sutable action may kindly be taken. If there was any mistake from my side I pardon and would not commit such mistake. Please help and protect the Veena Artist who is a visually challenged, an efficient vainika of more than 28 years who could not see such scribblings and excuse me if there is any inconvenience caused from my end.<<

ES:
I noticed the above quote of sramesh in his reply to carnaticlaw. I missed it earlier since he wrote it above CL's initials. I thought he wanted to say something but didn't know how to express his anger. Anyway it appears he was addressing that paragraph to "Madum" (I don't know if he meant "maTam" (you know ANDi maTam!!!). Perhaps he means his contact "madam". Why did he write to madam here instead of sending the message to her? Beats me!
I think it was r-t who used "insulting" words because he is still in second grade and he does not know "inspiring" from "insulting". He meant to inspire sramesh but he ended up insulting, I guess.
Did you notice, that sramesh mentioned that he would pardon himself if he made a mistake? Read that paragraph again! LOL

carnaticlaw · Post by **carnaticlaw** » 11 Aug 2010, 23:08

MK,

thats why I could not understand his reply. He modified my post and published it.He also pardoned himself for his misdeeds.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 11 Aug 2010, 23:10

Carnaticlaw:
I cannot speak for the administrator or moderators of this site. But my take is that even though the statement is an inclusive one, there is no intention to inform the ISP about the abuser (if it emanated from him/her). But even assuming the ISP is informed, so waht? What is the ISP going to do? Banish the subscriber from their list? They will lose a subscriber and money. Nobody in their right mind would do it. But I get your point about the implication there.
Regarding IP address collection, it may be legitimate. The FBI would want to know the source of any post which might perpetrate terrorism (in their opinion). But it is an innocuous procedure. If at all that generates some trouble for the user, he can resort to suing the entity since the IP address was collected and might have been used/passed on to the source of trouble makers.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 11 Aug 2010, 23:31

I went through the thread "National program..." that sramesh mentioned when he took exception to the usage of the word "pig".
I am going to absolve r-t of that "crime". He would not insult sramesh sir like that. It was Nick H who used the word "pig" in connection with a joke about a note sent to a teacher by the student's mother. sramesh sir misread that joke and took umbrage at that.
OK, Nick, like it or not you are dragged here. Better apologize to sramesh sir for using that word. You may have to write 100 times, "I shall not use the word pig ever again".

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 12 Aug 2010, 00:41

I'm just so upset because you just used the word pig, and have nothing more to say.

So there!

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Aug 2010, 02:26

Nick:
That is an apology offered by a second grade student. You have to stand up on the bench for the rest of the school year, unless srameshsir tells you otherwise

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 12 Aug 2010, 10:38

Pig is a very fine word --- for a very fine animal!

Perhaps, though, on this thread, we should discuss armadillos.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Aug 2010, 10:58

I think we should restrain ourselves in handling sramesh. There is obviously something amiss here ( he is translating from tamil and writing in English) or has a serious disability .Who knows he could be visually impaired too and asking someone else to type on the PC ?
But let us not treat him as malicious or even funny . His few strong words when talking about his teacher stem from a reaction to an unjust environment and I can empathise with that . I was once like that before I decided that I should leave the world to its own means and work only with the close people who matter to me. A course of action that has saved me a lot of heart burn.
Let us not react to his statements , please .
His advertisement of His Guru's talents is open and fair . I cannot say that for many other Ads that run here .
I am willing to host his Guru's Veena Concert at the next opportunity if he can mail me at [email protected]

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 12 Aug 2010, 11:33

But let us not treat him as malicious or even funny...

I agree, and I stopped doing it some time back.

His advertisement of His Guru's talents is open and fair

Not really: it amounts to spam. People of all ages and backgrounds discover the internet, and everyone is welcome --- but they should be prepared to take hints and nudges and gentle suggestions pointing out how to go on. Those hints have been offered in good faith.

Walking into a forum is just like walking into a room full of people: according to how we act, so they will respond (and vice versa, of course). The big difference is that what we write with smile may, when read, be assumed to convey a scowl: misunderstandings are easy.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Aug 2010, 13:27

It is definitely not spam , in the way I understand the word spam. But I will not press this case further.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Aug 2010, 19:14

Nick H wrote:Pig is a very fine word --- for a very fine animal!

Perhaps, though, on this thread, we should discuss armadillos.

Here is Winston Churchill's definiton of a pig.
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." â€“ Sir Winston Churchill, UK Prime Minster (1874-1965) ...

So your use of the word "pig" is fair and square. The pig is a very fine animal like the human being.

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 12 Aug 2010, 20:04

I wouldn't quote Churchill to be honest, considering few other things he has said

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 12 Aug 2010, 22:00

Ho, yes indeed... he said some clever things, and we can enjoy them, as well as appreciating that he was very much the man for the job at the time --- but he thought and said some dreadful things, too. I don't think he was very fond of India: best we leave him out of this forum!

mankuthimma wrote:It is definitely not spam , in the way I understand the word spam. But I will not press this case further.

Just to be clear: whatever disagreement I may have with how he has posted in the past, and whether or not I might have been irritated, I hope he stays with us. I look forward to his teacher's concert, and I look forward to meeting Sri Ramesh. Everything comes out in the wash

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 12 Aug 2010, 23:51

MaheshS wrote:I wouldn't quote Churchill to be honest, considering few other things he has said

You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sure Churchill was despicable in many respects (especially how he dealt with Gandhi and India) but he was a good orator in general and he was a good leader during WW II (as far as Europe was concerned). Besides he wrote well. No harm in accepting some of his writings.
Sometime back I read a book titled, "Gandhi and Churchill" by Arthur Herman. I recommend it to everybody who wants to know about the British empire history during the latter half of 19th and first half of 20th centuries.

carnaticlaw · Post by **carnaticlaw** » 13 Aug 2010, 00:08

MK,

please add to the list, the book titled India : Speeches and an Introduction by Sir Churchill. More than anything, he was a brilliant orator. That alone makes him great.

Thx,
CL

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 13 Aug 2010, 00:35

he was a brilliant orator. That alone makes him great.

Well, then, so was Hitler!

carnaticlaw · Post by **carnaticlaw** » 13 Aug 2010, 00:56

Well, if that makes you happy.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 13 Aug 2010, 01:10

mahakavi wrote:I wouldn't quote Churchill to be honest, considering few other things he has said

You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Sure Churchill was despicable in many respects (especially how he dealt with Gandhi and India) but he was a good orator in general and he was a good leader during WW II (as far as Europe was concerned). Besides he wrote well. No harm in accepting some of his writings.
Sometime back I read a book titled, "Gandhi and Churchill" by Arthur Herman. I recommend it to everybody who wants to know about the British empire history during the latter half of 19th and first half of 20th centuries.

The BOOK is good but its account in in terms of FACTS is VERY POOR & is a TYPICAL REHASH OF the British& Colonial VIEW of History; Not that MOST books on Indian History written by INDIANS are any better!....Churchill is very descipable to say the least & mostly has been propped up by AMERICANS for their own reasons. His so called staemanship is highly questionable..VKV

carnaticlaw · Post by **carnaticlaw** » 13 Aug 2010, 01:32

mostly has been propped up by AMERICANS for their own reasons

Back this up with facts.

thanks

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 13 Aug 2010, 01:38

Nick H wrote:Well, then, so was Hitler!

OH NO!!!!

I have just realised that, by mention of Hitler and/or Nazzis, Godwin's Law is invoked, the thread is finished, and the mentioner (myself) is considered to have lost whatever argument they may have been propounding!

Albeit on rather technical grounds, I concede defeat

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 13 Aug 2010, 01:44

cacm:
Nobody is 100% perfect or 100% bad. There is something in everybody that anybody would want to learn. Churchill was quite a politician in the Machiavellian mode and was difficult to deal with even by his own partymen. Yes, the US was an ally of Churchill and they went along with whatever he did. When did the US government do anything in the past or even now that is popular with the rest of the world (including Europe now)? The book I cited (written not by a US government official but by an American with a clear sense of justice) clearly brought out the virtues of Gandhi while dealing with his several failures at the home front (vis-a-vis dealing with Churchill's shenanigans in South Africa). Despite such failures he was persistent and the Dandi salt march alone would be worth his whole life, especially when he was finally invited by the viceroy to have tea with him. At that time he carried some salt with him in his loincloth, and put it in the tea in front of the viceroy and drank it. In my mind the book did a fair amount of justice to facts and weighed both men and brought out the superiority of Gandhi (over Churchill) in many departments. Sure enough Churchill was hailed in England during the war but quickly thrown out in the subsequent election.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 13 Aug 2010, 02:14

mahakavi wrote:At that time he carried some salt with him in his loincloth, and put it in the tea in front of the viceroy and drank it.

That's not true. Gandhiji never went about in a "loincloth". A loincloth is a kOmaNam or kaupinam. Gandhiji went about in a dhoti that was pulled up and tightly tied around his waist. Also, the salt was probably kept in a makeshift pouch fashioned from the folds of his dhoti in a manner common to so many Indians to this day. If Gandhiji's dhoti is a "loincloth", then so is everything from a pair of pants to a burkha

.

These are linguistic techniques that western commentators use either to glorify or belittle their subject and it doesn't behoove us to repeat them verbatim.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Aug 2010, 03:22

Unfortunately, Churchills's 'fakir in the loin cloth' ( wonder how hit upon the exact translation of kAvaNANDi) image stayed in some people's minds. They did not pay any attention to mahAtmA's attire, I'm sure. Of course, he would have carried the salt in a pouch or in a fold (maDi) of his vESHTi, vETTi, dhOti, however one says it. Well, the ignorant observer of this absurdity obviously did not notice 'the waist cloth and the yardage of it |(

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 13 Aug 2010, 03:24

To me Churchill was a garden variety politician with quite outmoded views of the Victorian era who was elevated to a pedestal because of historical circumstances. It is somewhat established- at least claimed-that he was mostly drunk during the critical stages of the attacks on Btitain etc.......Gandhi on the other hand was a revolutionary who showed the path for India if not the World how civility & moral approaches can be superior& actually prevail in the BEST Tradition of Indian philosophical insights& writings.Actually many BRITISH including the workers in Textile mills in England who lost their livelihoods& the various intellectuals (including my Principal of Madras Christian College Dr. A.J.Boyd who came all the way from Scotland to teach Indians-) who participated in Quit India movement & participated in meetings at great personal peril to themselves I still wonder & admire their sacrifice....There is so much to admire about British& Britain but we do not need to fall prey to the usual conventional assessments... It is one man's opinion anyways....VKV

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 13 Aug 2010, 03:37

cacm, arasi, and us:
You are all tilting at the windmills.
It does not matter where he kept the salt (in a pouch, in his dhoti or in his hand)--it is a trivial point. You are up in arms as though I made an assault on Gandhi. I have acutally glorified him in my post. So what, if what he wore was a "loincloth"? He wore it with pride and we don't lose one iota of our pride by mentioning it. Actually it is a badge of honor. The point I made was that the 3-piece-suit-Churchill met with an inglorious end while the "half-naked fakir" is hailed throughout the world long after his death. Even Obama made an extemporaneous remark that the one person he would have dinner with is (of all living or dead people) Gandhi.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Aug 2010, 07:12

Hold on and defer thhe Indo British War !!!
Atleast until my visit to London is finished with, in November.
Mahesh !!! Are you listening

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 13 Aug 2010, 08:00

MK,
I wasn't pointing my finger at you at all but was speaking of the ignorant folks who did not even look at the photos of Gandhi properly to know that he was not dressed like a fakir. Not that it was a big deal, of course.There were people who hadn't seen him or known him, but admired him just by reading about him and about his courage and conviction--that he dressed the way he did to make a statement that most of his countrymen didn't even have enough clothes to cover themselves!

sramesh · Post by **sramesh** » 13 Aug 2010, 08:28

mankuthimma wrote:I think we should restrain ourselves in handling sramesh. There is obviously something amiss here ( he is translating from tamil and writing in English) or has a serious disability .Who knows he could be visually impaired too and asking someone else to type on the PC ?
But let us not treat him as malicious or even funny . His few strong words when talking about his teacher stem from a reaction to an unjust environment and I can empathise with that . I was once like that before I decided that I should leave the world to its own means and work only with the close people who matter to me. A course of action that has saved me a lot of heart burn.
Let us not react to his statements , please .
His advertisement of His Guru's talents is open and fair . I cannot say that for many other Ads that run here .
I am willing to host his Guru's Veena Concert at the next opportunity if he can mail me at [email protected]

Thank you mam sometimes what I think to scribble keeping the great peopele"s good help and service to a task to show my gratitude, but because of hastiness and lack of time availability to use computer leads some sort of misunderstandings and even now I think I have lot of good friends to support me and correct me wherever my faults have been found and thank you that you are all excused me and in future I shall be more careful in my scribbling

sramesh · Post by **sramesh** » 13 Aug 2010, 08:40

Good morning Mam and rasika friends, Sometimes keeping in mind the help and service of great people I try to scribble to express my gratitude, because of hastiness and lack of time to sit with the computer I am missing a lot, I am always grateful to you mam and all the rasika friends leading me to an apt path and shall be careful before expressing my views/posts. Thanking you

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 13 Aug 2010, 08:49

sramesh · Post by **sramesh** » 13 Aug 2010, 11:19

Pratyaksham Bala wrote:.

Sir, I am eagerly awaiting to knwo your suggestion as you kept blank

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 13 Aug 2010, 13:14

As you insist, here are a few words:-

This forum:-
1. This is a forum of rasikas, who enjoy music and share their happiness with other members. They seek information on music related subjects and other members eagerly come forward to help. Most of them do not know each other. Even the real names of many members are not known, nor other information like their occupation, their age, where they stay, etc. The common link is their interest in Carnatic Music.

2. They seek good music - wherever available and whoever delivers. They appreciate quality music and also heartily appreciate the musicians who deliver excellent music.

Sabhas:-
3. Every Sabha strives to satisfy their members by providing reasonably good performances. The members of any Sabha will look forward to hearing well-known musicians and the office-bearers of the Sabha try to satisfy this need. If a Sabha conducts 12 programmes in a year, at least ten programmes will go to well-known musicians. The remaining two may go to reasonably good new musicians. Sabhas deserve lot of hearty appreciation. They are in fact doing a wonderful service to CM.

Musicians:-
4. It is the responsibility of the musicians to keep on sharpening their skills. Each musician has to realise that he/she is one of the thousands of musicians and that competition is very tough. It is very difficult to get opportunities unless efforts are made to exhibit their talent in as many platforms as possible so that his/her skill is noticed. The musician should seek recognition based purely on expertise. There is no reservation/quota system! Only quality wins. So, if a musician is not getting enough opportunities, there can be only two reasons:- (a) the quality of music is not upto expected level, or (b) enough opportunities are not available to accommodate even musicians of high calibre.

Your attempts:-
5. In this background, you have been trying to get opportunities for a musician you admire by writing about her repeatedly in this forum. The members may sympathize and they may appreciate the talent. More than that what do you expect the members to do? May be one or two members who are in a position to help may be interested in helping.

Comments:-
6 The tolerance level of people is very high indeed; but after that they react which may not be pleasing. One can learn from such experiences. There is no meaning in reacting harshly which will only being in more criticism. As I had mentioned in an earlier posting, take the advice of Avvaiyar: 'Taiyal sol kELEl.' Don't take to heart the prickly words. (Taiyal-sol = prickly words. kELEl = don't listen).

Now:-
7. You can play the role of a sincere rasika. At least in this forum shed your role as a representative of the musician you admire. Share your musicial experiences. Or, simply follow the postings. There are many things one can learn from the postings. I keep learning every day. So much information is being shared, on composers, their kritis, meaning of the kritis in different languages, the ragas, etc.

Have a nice time. Good luck!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 13 Aug 2010, 13:24

Don't take to heart the prickly words

Very nicely put.

Really, an excellent post, with something for all of us, whether newcomer or hardened internet addict.

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 13 Aug 2010, 13:30

Thank you!

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 13 Aug 2010, 14:20

mankuthimma wrote:Hold on and defer thhe Indo British War !!!
Atleast until my visit to London is finished with, in November.
Mahesh !!! Are you listening

All ready and my doors are always open to you. If you haven't been to the North of England yet, you are in for a pleasant surprise, it's *nothing* like London!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Aug 2010, 14:52

From personal experience I know Gandhiji never wore a 'gOpInam' (loin-cloth). Perhaps you guys are confusing hiim with Ramana. He did not even wear a 'arai nAn' (waist chord)! But he wore the dhoti half way (just below knee) but all well tucked up so that while sitting on the floor he was always 'decent'. The term 'half-naked fakir' referred to his not covering the upper torso. Even there he used to carry a Khadar shawl to wrap himself up!

PB
The saying 'taiyal sol kELel' is usually translated to mean
Don't listen to a woman (taiyal). MK can clarify the matter.
In fact it had been a very controversial statement coming from a woman herself!
I like your interpretation! But then it must be
'taikkum sol kELel' (MK can check the grammar and vindicate!)

sramesh · Post by **sramesh** » 13 Aug 2010, 15:18

OK thank you if I want to inform a programme like kutchery is to be performed by her in the near future what I could do

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 13 Aug 2010, 15:21

sramesh wrote:OK thank you if I want to inform a programme like kutchery is to be performed by her in the near future what I could do

I would very much like to arrange madam's concert. Please get in touch with me.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 13 Aug 2010, 15:24

[/quote]All ready and my doors are always open to you. If you haven't been to the North of England yet, you are in for a pleasant surprise, it's *nothing* like London![/quote]

Plan is London 2 days
Knutsford - Cheshire 8 days !!!!

Pratyaksham Bala · Post by **Pratyaksham Bala** » 13 Aug 2010, 15:28

cmlover wrote:PB: The saying 'taiyal sol kELel' is usually translated to mean Don't listen to a woman (taiyal).

Yes, a few people tend to translate like that, may be to put down their womenfolk! As you yourself have mentioned, how such a controversial statement could come from a woman herself?

I like your interpretation! But then it must be 'taikkum sol kELel'.

'taikkum sol' means pricking words; 'taiyal sol' means prickly words.

Here are two other sayings of avvaiyAr, which may be of interest:-
1) 'sani nIrAdu' means "take bath in cold water". (It is not: Take oil bath on Saturdays!)
2) 'maN paRittu uNNEl' means "don't sell your land to meet your routine expenses". (Here 'maN' means land.)

cienu · Post by **cienu** » 13 Aug 2010, 16:05

sramesh wrote:OK thank you if I want to inform a programme like kutchery is to be performed by her in the near future what I could do

Dear sramesh,

1) If you want to inform us about any Kutchery being performed by your Guru , please post under Music and festivals.

2) If you desire to write about the concert - you may use the "Kutcheri Reviews" section.

3) If you wish to give more information on your Guru (like for example - some additions in her website etc) you could use the Vidwans and Vidushi section.

4) In case you want to let us know about any commercial recording of her, you could use the Album Reviews section

5) Any information which pertains to her school (or maybe your school) , you could post under the header Music School.

In case you want a concert to be arranged for your Guru, send an email request with details to mankuthimma at the following email id
[email protected] who has assured to arrange one.

with best wishes
cienu.

PS:
For any information - one post in the appropriate heading is sufficient

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 13 Aug 2010, 16:14

sramesh wrote:OK thank you if I want to inform a programme like kutchery is to be performed by her in the near future what I could do

Nobody here will object to concert announcements: we have many of them.

For generally posting about your guruji, the hints have been suggesting that you keep one thread and add to that.

For concert announcements, please feel free to post them in the Concerts and Festivals section. We carry many such announcements; nobody will object, and some us may well attend.

The only thing to remember is to post one thread only about the event. If you post it, say, one month in advance, then you can add a reminder post about a week before the event, and another the day before.

Hope this helps

<cross-posted: cienu has it all covered already!>

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Aug 2010, 16:15

If you are encountering any technical problems or have any complaints click on
'REPORT TO MOD' and send the info to the administration.
If you want to contact any other member click on the little 'email' icon of that member
and send a personal email to him/her.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 13 Aug 2010, 16:29

'cani nIrAdu' also has been interpreted as
Take bath in running water (i.e., a river)..
canittal = running ( a pure Tamil word - not of sanskrit origin!)