Carnatic music idol 2012

Vijayakumar · Post by **Vijayakumar** » 07 Mar 2012, 11:04

A friend of mine whose kid appeared in the finals of the Carnatic music idol 2012 -junior section recently held by Jaya TV( finals was held over the last weekend.. yet to to be fully telecast in the TV) feels that the final results appeared unconvincing and not dependent on the actual performance. Requesting rasikas views on the final selection after watching the TV program or other videos over you tube. Definitely the person selected as the topper was not upto the mark in many of my friends and relatives's views. Request forum members views on thie performances please.

mathe-kamas · Post by **mathe-kamas** » 07 Mar 2012, 11:59

Been watching it on youtube. Who won?

Vijayakumar · Post by **Vijayakumar** » 07 Mar 2012, 12:08

i heard it was Karthik...

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 07 Mar 2012, 12:39

Let me make a preemptive remark. This kind of thread on any competition has a tendency to go out of control. Let us be careful about not making too much out of hearsay and rumors like 'heard on the backstage', 'friend said this' etc. Let us try to keep the discussion to the opinions on how well individual candidates did. Thanks.

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 07 Mar 2012, 13:29

Shri vk..
Very well cautioned and in time also..
Some time back, Shri Shanker Mahadevan's performance at Cleveland was posted at you tube..

After some time I received a mail from Ms. Subhashree Thanikachalam requesting me to remove it from You tube as she and Jaya Tv are facing lot of problems due to that..I complied with that request immediately..I was able to link it with some remarks about him in one of the threads..may be un intentional..
Our job is to review the performance of the contestants and not to review that of the judges and their intentions.They are all senior and competent people and knows their job too well..It is only collective decision on the performance...
... the opening thread tend to be gossiping..

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 07 Mar 2012, 15:38

Most participants are like, twelve years old! Does it really matter who won and who lost? I think what matters more (at LEAST in a competition with such young participants) is how much fun they had participating and how much they learned at the end of all that. The judges seemed softer to them than they were with the seniors, but there's still much more that can be done to make the experience more enjoyable and rewarding for the kids. Like maybe not making it a competition in the first place.

mishram · Post by **mishram** » 07 Mar 2012, 19:46

Just listened to all the kids. If Karthik is the winner, he deserves it. He seemed to be the best in the lot (just based on today's telecast). I would think otherwise if that cute kid from Mumbai (Janani) was declared the winner because she is the most popular and adorable kid. I do not see any bias in the judgement. My 2 cents

tyagarajadasa · Post by **tyagarajadasa** » 07 Mar 2012, 21:07

Hi, I am Karthik's cousin and Guru. I think Karthik did a good job - the other kids did well too, especially Tejas, Swaminathan and Deepika.I am sure it must have been a very tough job for the judges to decide on the winner. So I am not really sure that one must say it is rigged, etc.
I think this has been an amazing learning experience for Karthik. It has definitely helped him give a head-start on manodharmam and as his teacher, I am quite happy with his progress. More than anything, this is an indication for him to pursue music seriously (he already does!)

--Gokul

mahavishnu · Post by **mahavishnu** » 07 Mar 2012, 22:00

First of all, let us congratulate Sri Gokul for the outstanding job has done in training this talented young boy. As Smt Aruna Sairam noted on yesterday's youtubecast, special props are to be given to the guru for being able to teach such a young person the subtleties and nuances of singing a jAvali like smarasundarAnguni in paras.

I think all this talk of rigging is meaningless at best and pernicious in its worst form. I really dislike the conspiracy theories that float around this forum surrounding everything from awards to little children, to Cleveland schedules to the granting of sangeetha kalanidhis. Enough already.

VK, thanks for the pre-emptive words of caution on this front.

As Srikanth says, when such an art form is passed on to these young people, there are no winners and losers. I personally look forward to listening to these kids as they blossom into genuine artistes in their own right.

shankarabharanam · Post by **shankarabharanam** » 07 Mar 2012, 22:41

I am not surprised by questions by Vijaykumar. In the juniors category every other kid who made it to the finals deserved to be applauded. For any music student competition is always a learning experience. I know how much I used to practice for any competition. Surely one does get disappointed if we don't get the prize but in the long run the effort that Kartik would put to learn the krithi in thodi or Janani would have put to learn that poorvi kalyani krithi is going to help them. For that matter even in the seniors category, we need to appreciate for the efforts these guys have put. In fact compared to last two years, this season, the judges were less sarcastic and were to the point while pointing out the errors. Just to climb the stage and perform isn't easy.

What really disappointed me in this season was the wild card entry for last years participant. Now if you see the final six three of them participated last year. They are here again. This might give a doubt for favoritism. I am not saying the judges favored them but as a viewer I tend to get this feeling. Definitely all three are talented but if they are interested in winning this title then why not compete again. The other issue was why is Bharat Sundar performing in the program. I was disappointed when Bharat was chosen the winner. I don't remember the names of the finalist but I do remember that there were others who performed better than him. Coming back to this issue, Bharat has already got a platform and doesn't need this at this stage and Balaji repeatedly saying that he is a really busy artist is unacceptable. He has a lot to learn and the organisers need not support just one singer to this extent..

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 08 Mar 2012, 00:36

I liked the spontaneous renditions of these young talented singers and we have to admit that each one of them deserve to be the winner; but there can be only one winner per category and it is a formidable tough task. Special mention "Oh" girl from Kerala

pandu_rangan · Post by **pandu_rangan** » 08 Mar 2012, 03:34

All the little kids did their best and each one of them displayed their own strengths and weaknesses. In my opinion,Tejas deserved the title as his rendition was more polished and poised .The title winner (he too has good nyaanam) was the last to be selected in the final six.From what the MC mentioned while he was announcing the top senior finalists, I infer that the order at which the finalists were picked was connected to their scores and Tejas was the topper then too.

VijayR · Post by **VijayR** » 08 Mar 2012, 05:05

My long time gripe with this show is the oft-repeated slogan "idhu contest illa, oru career." I have always wondered which brain dead person came up with this slogan. These kids sing so wonderfully and perform so admirably when tested by the judges. Why do you want to put even more pressure on such young kids by constantly projecting the show as a career maker or breaker?

Sorry for the digression from the main topic of the thread, but this was a long time gripe that I just had to get off.

PS: Also, VV Sundaram mama as a judge? With all due respect, I disagree.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 08 Mar 2012, 05:34

PS: Also, VV Sundaram mama as a judge? With all due respect, I disagree.
1) VV Sundaram has been listening avidly from the SIXTIES to Carnatic music. His entire family has continuous exposure to great vidwans & many of them learnt from the giants.
2) He has organised , poineered, & presented ALL the leading artists of the current generation.
3) He spends close to 4-6 hours a day EVERY DAY sponsoring, arranging music lessons in his upstairs room with well known teachers and genuine music students of all ages & stages through out the year.
4) Most importantly SINGLEHANDEDLY he has managed to preserve OUR MUSIC for posterity by digitising all available recordings since the fifties.
I CHALLENGE ANY ONE to come up with another person with EQUIVALENT QUALIFICATIONS.
I would like to know what your requirements are? VKV

VijayR · Post by **VijayR** » 08 Mar 2012, 07:09

cacm wrote:PS: Also, VV Sundaram mama as a judge? With all due respect, I disagree.
1) VV Sundaram has been listening avidly from the SIXTIES to Carnatic music. His entire family has continuous exposure to great vidwans & many of them learnt from the giants.
2) He has organised , poineered, & presented ALL the leading artists of the current generation.
3) He spends close to 4-6 hours a day EVERY DAY sponsoring, arranging music lessons in his upstairs room with well known teachers and genuine music students of all ages & stages through out the year.
4) Most importantly SINGLEHANDEDLY he has managed to preserve OUR MUSIC for posterity by digitising all available recordings since the fifties.
I CHALLENGE ANY ONE to come up with another person with EQUIVALENT QUALIFICATIONS.
I would like to know what your requirements are? VKV

[Quick note to moderators: please feel free to take down this post if you feel this is deviating too much from the topic of the thread.]

VKV mama, do not take this personally. I have met you as well as VVS mama, am fully aware of what the two of you have done for the propagation and preservation of CM, and have high regard for both of you. However, I stand behind my statement 100%.

Absolutely nothing of what you have written qualifies VVS mama to be the judge of a music competition at this level, on par with "professional musicians". You asked what my requirements are? Very simple, actually. The person judging should be a "professional musician." All the other judges were professional musicians, why the exception in this case? Let me also say that questioning his presence as a judge does not imply that I am somehow questioning his contribution to CM, so I really don't see why you are getting so touchy and defensive about this.

Since I like giving analogies, let me give one here too: it doesn't matter how much a person knows about surgery or medicine, he/she is not qualified to sit on a panel to evaluate the surgical skills of medical students unless he/she is a surgeon himself/herself and has performed surgeries first.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 08 Mar 2012, 08:10

Perhaps Sri VVS was there as a rasika/listener or sabha representative. Musicians should not be the only judges of what is good music. Art cannot be judged in the same way as a science.

Well done to all the contestants and organisers!

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 08 Mar 2012, 08:31

Dear Vijay R,
In my opinion Professional Musicians are NOT NECESSARILY the BEST JUDGES as they are in MOST instances only aware of the TECHNICALITIES OF the music. In OUR MUSIC Language, lyrics, depth of the philosophical insights at least in my opinion are FAR MEORE IMPORTANT.
I can BLUNTLY state that if you remove MMI, MSS, MALI, TNR, PMI and a FEW others from the list of musicians most of the rest are persons committing not just technical mistakes but have a poor idea of the compositions & what they mean or imply. As a person from MADRAS (TAMILIAN) whose wife is expert in Telugu I can flatly state that MY level of expertise leaves a LOT to be desired.
I am glad you have started a good discussion. Personaliteies like VKV or VVS DO NOT MATTER & no sensitivities are involved.
Fundamental question is : Who shd. be in the judging slots. I contend it shd. consist of persons with exprtise in MANY aspects. Just Professional Musicians alone are not ADEQUATE.
I welcome a healthy impersonal objective discussion on this subject. VKV

Sundara Rajan · Post by **Sundara Rajan** » 08 Mar 2012, 09:09

Testing the ten and twelve year olds on " language, lyrics, depth of philosophical insights" ! Oh. Come on; Doesn't it sound a bit too much to expect from the children ?! Music teachers, whose students are not participants (not even non teaching performing musiciasns) are the best judges for such competitions, in my opinion.

mathe-kamas · Post by **mathe-kamas** » 08 Mar 2012, 09:57

But who won in the senior category? I have been watching the youtube uploads and just hoping that someone would tell me who the winner is

MV · Post by MV » 08 Mar 2012, 10:38

I was extremely pleased to see VVS Sir as Judge. According to Prof. Sambamoorthy-well-known musicologist-music should first be enjoyable to all and then come the technicalities. So going by all the posts in this thread he has definitely earned his chair as more than a rasika. I couldn't see all the Junior ones and some seniors-have they been removed? I did feel the young 11-12 year olds were pushed a little bit in the end. The joy with which they sang in the early rounds was clearly missing. But definitely, great way to go. Someone who tells a young 11 year old that he/she has a future if they work towards it is great motivation for them.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 08 Mar 2012, 17:17

The 'Kerala' girl sang soulfully and effortlessly. Easing herself into different ragas every minute and not losing the grammar of those ragas at any point of time... But, I suppose she ended up as the 1st runners up? I thought she wld be the winner.

mathe-kamas · Post by **mathe-kamas** » 08 Mar 2012, 20:40

Just listened to the girl called Sahana sing Pallavi in a very complex Talam. She is amazing! Her voice seems to mimic the Nadaswaram, gives me a very unique feeling really. This girl is probably the only newbie in the top-four. Just love her voice!

pvs · Post by **pvs** » 09 Mar 2012, 01:05

As someone else mentioned already, I found the two former 'idols' not exactly scintillating in their renditions in this year's program. Why have them there? They almost sound very amateurish largely, even to my amateur music knowledge! Esp. last year's winner. Why are they here again?

Whatever happened to the singer Ganesh Karthik from last year who did not win anything in the final (Trichy Ganesan's disciple?). He was very impressive with Ananda Bhairavi and Shanmughapriya. Why is he not back?

I have a feeling Nandini (she sings very well) is being backed too much. Maybe this year's idol?

mathe-kamas · Post by **mathe-kamas** » 09 Mar 2012, 04:11

Actually, I am watching Ms Sahana over and over, mainly to understand the talam she is using for her Pallavi (she calls it Kaipppidi talam and claims that it is part of Nadaswara Paramparai). Are there a set of such talams unique to Nadaswaram tradition? This was a tough talam and among the judges, only Aruna Sayeeram was familiar with it.

shankarabharanam · Post by **shankarabharanam** » 09 Mar 2012, 05:48

pvs wrote:As someone else mentioned already, I found the two former 'idols' not exactly scintillating in their renditions in this year's program. Why have them there? They almost sound very amateurish largely, even to my amateur music knowledge! Esp. last year's winner. Why are they here again?

Whatever happened to the singer Ganesh Karthik from last year who did not win anything in the final (Trichy Ganesan's disciple?). He was very impressive with Ananda Bhairavi and Shanmughapriya. Why is he not back?

I have a feeling Nandini (she sings very well) is being backed too much. Maybe this year's idol?

Nandini was the first runner up again this year.. I don't like the fact that three of the final four were part of the finals last year too..

mishram · Post by **mishram** » 09 Mar 2012, 06:14

Some Thiruppugazh's are set in "sandha" thaaLams (kaadhi mOdhi, kaaraNamadhaaga) which have a unique pattern as well. Not sure if kaippidi thaLam is one such thaaLam.

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 09 Mar 2012, 06:23

Saw three Pallavis sung by the finalists on youtube. All were very impressive. Somehow I enjoyed the one by Nandini the best. Yet to see Vishnudev's.

mathe-kamas · Post by **mathe-kamas** » 09 Mar 2012, 09:53

Okay - just watched the results on youtube. Overall all the seniors were very very good and Vishnudev won, with Nandini coming second.The other two (Sahana and Raghav Krishna) got stage presentation and people's choice awards. In the junior category, I must say too much importance was given to cuteness - this is unfortunate. There was at least one child who I thought sang really well, was appreciated during her performance, but didn't win any award, perhaps because she looked older and not as cute. This is something I have observed in every carnatic competition though - cuteness is part of the equation and quite a few children play to it as well. Call it luck for them

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 09 Mar 2012, 10:03

shankarabharanam wrote:I don't like the fact that three of the final four were part of the finals last year too..

Yeah, me too! This idle (idol:-) competition doesn't have any basic rules. I think people who won, be it runners up or winners, should not be allowed to participate for the next 3 years or more. I watched the idle competition first year. After that, I dont venture anywhere near it. Even during the first year, Bharat Sundar didnt attend one of the preliminary stages of the competition but directly participated in an advanced level (not sure, semi-finals or finals itself). He gave an excuse that he was invited to attend Umayalpuram's award function. That is not on. And, he participated and won too. So, others attending every level of the competition are fools?

And, judges' daughters or sons should not even be allowed to participate. Take any contest in any magazine; the employees or family of staff of the magazine are not allowed to participate. These are basic rules.

Subashree Thanikachalam and co (various advisors) have not been able to formulate basic rules. What, with all the decade old experiences and gargantuan efforts they have put. Moreover, Cleveland Sundaram too doesn't seem to be aware of basic rules. It surprises me!

I have found it always strange with Carnatic music. The people associated with it: musicians, sabha secretaries, radio guys, all of them somehow miss out on basic system and processes. They feel lost and just allow anything and everything. If somebody tries to formulate some rules, that person is beaten black and blue and kicked out of the system. They need to be convinced that there is nothing wrong in setting basic rules when it comes to organizing such competitions that they claim will 'make the career'. (For all you know, if this competition makes the career of one, it mars the careers of hundreds.)

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 09 Mar 2012, 10:04

pvs wrote:As someone else mentioned already, I found the two former 'idols' not exactly scintillating in
I have a feeling Nandini (she sings very well) is being backed too much. Maybe this year's idol?

Nandini has potential and the judgement is very fair. Both kerala based and the juniors are from Bombay.
Excellent. Wishing the winners to get more such honours in future.

Thanjavooran 09 03 2012

Vijayakumar · Post by **Vijayakumar** » 09 Mar 2012, 10:13

I am tempted to agree with you Mathe-kamas on the cuteness theory! based on the results declared. In my view, Karthik did not fare well than the left out girl you had mentioned and she was not that bad not to receive any single recognition. Also Karthik was pushed in later stages even though he was left out in a previous round. my friends and relatives solidy feel that he did not deserve no.1 slot based on performance.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 09 Mar 2012, 11:07

Changed the title of the thread a little bit to reflect the general nature of the discussion in this thread.

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 09 Mar 2012, 11:39

First of all, a huge thanks to bagyamananthu41 for painstakingly uploading this. It was really amazing to see these kids come and present their talent fearlessly on stage. I do have a few misgivings about the decisions but again someone has to be a winner and if this decision alone is going to make or break someone's life, that's the wrong way to look at it.

In the semifinal, Vishnudev had sruthi problems and even he mentioned that he hadn't warmed up but I thought he made up for it in the final. I think Nandini had the most effortless presentation amongst the 4 in the final but in the end it was a close call between them. Sahana was pretty good too.

In the junior category, I was most impressed by Tejas and was sure that he'd win. Karthik was pretty good but not spectacular. More than the Thodi, I liked the little Begada phrase he sang on the spot. Janani was pretty good too but sounded too well-rehearsed. I think the Begada and javali might have turned it in Karthik's favor.

It feels funny commenting about these kids when I can barely sing a note without sounding demonic but such is life.

arunsri · Post by **arunsri** » 09 Mar 2012, 11:47

What was telecast is not only what happens. At the Semifinal stage, one junior was asked whether he/she would let go for the other competitor. One of them said NO and other said YES. The child which said "will let go" went to the Final.

Afterwards, the child was asked by the parents - 'why did you say you will let go when the other kid said no', the child answered - 'this child has been learning for only "n" years. I have been learning for more than that. Also, if I do not get selected, I will still continue to learn, but may be this child may stop. So I said yes"

How many elders and grown ups can be so detached, so philosophical ?

The candidate who lost remarked to its parents - "It is GOOD I lost, I was needlessly told [by many people, friends, elders etc] that I was good, very good etc... but only when I went out there, I realised that there is so much to learn and how much I know, so do not worry about me getting out at this stage!"

Now, this beats the earlier conversation between the winner and parents too...

Honestly, all of us can have opinions on who should have won etc, but let's learn that most of us do not have the maturity to take defeat, hence we look for finding faults etc.. Probably all children who took part are actually happy. Only elders are not. It is we who need to learn a lot!

arunsri · Post by **arunsri** » 09 Mar 2012, 11:50

One thing we need to remember - how many of us can go on stage and deliver !! These kids have atleast done that. So lets not point fingers and look at possible explanations for issues which are not even there.

Try singing a varnam or a geetham correctly in front of not so knowledgeable audience. let alone a section of vidwans and vidhushis in front of you!

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 09 Mar 2012, 12:51

On the side issue...

Say there was only one judge. Obviously it could not be a "lay" person: it would be vitally important for the technical abilities, etc, to be assessed.

In the case of a panel, I think it is entirely appropriate that "lay" person[s] should be included. We are, after all, the "market," which these contestants wish to enter. Having said that, a truly lay person is quite hard to find among the ranks of rasikas: you guys/guyesses have such amazing depth of experience, and even knowledge of the past greats is not restricted to the older members. I'd be happy to be "judged" by many of you!

If there was a difficulty among such lay judges, it might be bias for/against some styles of presentation* etc, but are the professionals entirely free of that?

<crossposted with many others>

*or "cuteness."

Arunsri, Lovely quotes from some of the youngsters. I'm sure they don't all take loosing so well, but it is heart-warming to hear such things. Maybe one of them should be invited to join a future panel!

anandasangeetham · Post by **anandasangeetham** » 09 Mar 2012, 14:11

Arunsri..that was lovely....the kids were not KIDS but giants in maturity.....another story i came across ( most of you might have come across this too as this was widely circulated on the net)..a child was trying and practicing hard for a role in the school opera. the parents were very worried that the child might be very dejected if not selected and they knew that the child may not be selected ...sl all the more worried ...on the D Day the parents went to the school with the child and waited for the selection to get over...some time later the child brimming with joy, wide eyed and fulll of happiness ran to the parents. the parents were overjoyed thinking that the child was selected and before they asked him on that...the child burst out ...dad/mom you know what ? i got selected? and you know for what? i was selected to applaud....

Now the child does not / may not know the significance but hte innocence with which he behaved (though not of his own volition) surely needs to be acknowledged....

any competetion wherever held and by whomsoever conducted will always be critised ...the WINNER will ALWAYS say that was the best competion and there was absolute professionalism the way it was conducted..and the LOSERS will ALWAYS say that the competition was rigged, favoritism, bias etc...if a competition is not mandatory (like school exams or degree exams - though mandatory it is a stepping stone for the future and most career opportiunities depend on that) and participation is voluntary....we should take it as it comes......yes suggestions can be given but not harsh criticism without proper base or evidence....if a participant does not win Carnatic Idol it is not that the person will never get to perform or will never be a musician.....yes it is another of those certificates we collect as part of NSS while in school etc...but nothing more....(with due respect to the competition).

suma · Post by **suma** » 10 Mar 2012, 05:04

Good Job Nandini and VishnuDev.

smala · Post by **smala** » 10 Mar 2012, 12:35

Congratulations to Vishnudev and Nandini, both fascinating singers. Congratulations to Karthik, in the junior category.

Warm felicitations to ALL contestants and the finalists in the show. Listening to each was just so enjoyable, a moving experience that I wanted each one to win. Felt quite sad when two of the finalists were dropped, both so good ...Each is on a specially blessed journey with his or her own delightful appeal.

I particularly felt this year's finals had a special warmth and a personal touch to it, with Aruna Sairam's generous encouragement and addressing the singers with terms of endearment. Each of the juniors was amazing and charming.

I love Nandini's style, the nectar in her voice, I must also add that in Raghav Krishna's voice and singing, there was some magic that enthralled, had me spell-bound, similar to the effect M. Santhanam has on me.

smala · Post by **smala** » 10 Mar 2012, 14:04

Uyirum Neeye by Raghav Krishna in 2009...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U87affaUywA

smala · Post by **smala** » 10 Mar 2012, 14:25

Can someone list the names of the contestants, both senior and junior and their gurus?

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 11 Mar 2012, 04:42

I agree with smala that (at least from what was shown) the judges in 2012 seemed to be much more polite and encouraging than in previous years.

venmany · Post by **venmany** » 11 Mar 2012, 13:30

VishnuDev Namboothiri showed a great potential last year itself and won this year's competition with a marvelous final round performance.

Really enjoyed RTP and especially Supradeepam swaras( 9:45 onwards in the below link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn9XMjOqAs4

Wish you all the very best and hope to see you soon in many stages including MA.

Nandini did a decent job too.

Thanks bagyamananthu41 for uploading all the videos ( in a rapid pace.. 8) )!

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 11 Mar 2012, 14:41

ramamantra wrote: Yeah, me too! This idle (idol:-) competition doesn't have any basic rules. I think people who won, be it runners up or winners, should not be allowed to participate for the next 3 years or more.

Can you give one example of any professional level competition which does this. If so Fedrer
could have played each tournament only once.

If the last year winners are ready to participate they could so but the fear of losing may keep them away. But a competition should test the participants against the best and no harm if last year's participants /winners do so again.

mahesh3 · Post by **mahesh3** » 12 Mar 2012, 02:49

Firstly - congrats to all the winners and runners and participants and stars and their teachers and all others involved this season.

Basically, the thinking that a "career in carnatic" can be made every year is quite ridiculous! Reeks of hubris on the part of everyone involved with this tamasha (including all of us rasikas)....if a musical career is all about singing 20 concerts to your relatives and well-wishers in December - then its no big deal - but a musical career is more than just persuading Sabha organizers or marketing Cleveland as the stage to give someone a chance.

One way of building on the good interest the inaugural season had - is if the Idol evolves to a situation where winners are only picked every other year, (or perhaps - even one in 3) - and rather than have the entire round in one go- they can do a Spring and Fall - which enables the quality bunch selected for later rounds to prepare adequately. Right now, its a whirlwind show - don't think it does any justice to the marathon mentality that carnatic music particularly requires. Finally, this enables the audience to remain engaged and invested in the process - this is particularly key because right now carnatic music has just deteriorated to a common denominator of "wahs" and "sabash" - a profession in classical music is more than just giving a certificate! I say this coz even established high-quality stars like L Subramaniam, Shashank, Sanjay, TNS, V. Jayanthi, Ganesh Kumaresh, Mysore brothers - have to work extra hard to even get the opportunities to showcase their talent!

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 12 Mar 2012, 09:05

rajumds wrote:
Can you give one example of any professional level competition which does this. If so Fedrer
could have played each tournament only once.

Pl check up other international classical music competitions. And, pl donot compare sports (tennis, cricket, etc) with music. For some reason, the whole Carnatic community is soaked with comparisions between cricket and music from all angles

Btw, from what i suggested, i meant Fedrer can play once in three years or so, and not only once all his life!

Right now, its a whirlwind show - don't think it does any justice to the marathon mentality that carnatic music particularly requires.

Its the right perspective. Marathon mentality rightly sums up the approach the community needs to take towards Carnatic music. As of now, the organisers are trying to fit the music to the speedy, modern ways of time allotments. Wonder when they will realise the intrinsic nature of Carnatic music.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 12 Mar 2012, 09:22

Mahesh3
Great point . Maharajapuram santhanam established his career only at the page of 42 onwards in the year 1970. After that he peaked in a jiffy.

One thing I am happy about this year (watched only few episodes), the no of quality participants who are final worthy is dwindling. I compare the first year where Anahita,Brinda, BharathSundar , Master Abhilash and Deekshita were there.

That is great news as in general there is abundance of musicians who have already taken at as a career , even without taking the help of jaya TV and fabulous crowd pullers and judges like BMK would have not even seen the TV till they were in the 25th year of the career.

As rasikas,We are not attaching too much of importance to this show. Yes we recognize the names yes, but career maybe/maybe not. I saw right in front of my eyes when I recently attended Last year winner at hamsadhwani , Raghavendra having a near lukewarm response

Congratulations to all winners who participated . YOu all have overcome stage fear where people are there everywhere cheering you .Now you will be tested where the seats will be empty, it is a more difficult stage fear to overcome.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 12 Mar 2012, 10:21

ramamantra wrote: Wonder when they will realise the intrinsic nature of Carnatic music.

May be around the same time you realize that it is primarily a TV entertainment show!