Irreversible loss meted out to the aspirants learning our Karnataka-music

[msakella]

01. By going through the URL ‘http://kvsangathan.nic.in/EmployementNotice.aspx’, clicking the item ‘Panels’ and later by clicking ‘Main Panels of TGT(AE) & PRT(Music) for the year 2012-13 & 2013-14.(16.12.14)’ a list of the appointed candidates for the period from 2012- 14 carrying in 9 pages could be obtained. Among them, from page 5 to 9, in the second list, 13 candidates from Sl. Nos.2 to 14 to Bangalore region, 14 candidates from Nos. 27 to 40 to Chennai region, 12 candidates from Nos.48 to 59 to Ernakulam region and 10 candidates from Nos.66 to 75 to Hyderabad region are allotted for appointments as Music-teachers in the respective Central Schools. Very sadly not even a single native South Indian has got an appointment.

As per a candidate recently appeared, in the question paper of the above examination, while 150 questions are prescribed to answer, the first 10 questions are of Hindi-language and the next 10 questions are of English-language. Among them, while the minimum marks to obtain in each language are 4 the aggregate is 10 marks. Irrespective of the other marks obtained, the candidate who fails in getting the minimum or aggregate marks in these language questions will certainly be failed. Later, while from No. 21 to 90 questions are of different general subjects, from No. 91 to 150 are of music only. Among them, while only 5 or 6 questions are of Karnataka-music all the remaining are of Hindusthani-music which our South Indians cannot follow at all. Thus no equal proportion is maintained at all between Karnataka and Hindusthani sections.

(Interested candidates to appear for this examination can click the ‘InterView Notice” and again click ‘SCHEDULE OF WRITTEN EXAMINATION TO THE POST OF TEACHING & NON-TEACHING POSTS IN KVS FOR THE YEAR 2014-15 & 2015-16.(13.07.15’ for the schedule of the ensuing examination)

02. Also in respect of the UGC NET examination the following discrepancies must be noted and solved in removing the disparity between the Karnatak and Hindusthani sections.

a). As the candidates appearing for this examination must compulsorily answer the Part-2 of both Papers 2 & 3 it is desirable to maintain equal ratio among the respective questions carrying equal marks of all sections.

b) Even in respect of ‘Percussion’ it is desirable to maintain equal ratio between Karnataka and Hindusthani sections.

c) As more details are similar both in Ravindra Sangeert and Hindusthani Sangeet it may not be justifiable to allot an independent section for Ravindra Sangeet.

03. In 1960 I have appeared for an interview in connection with the Culture Scholarship of Central Government. In those days the amount of this scholarship was Rs.250/- pm. Even though this is actually meant to encourage the talented aspirants many a time even the professional artists have been used to utilize their influence to get this lucrative income. Thus, when I have appeared, this was given to such a professional artist only.

While this is one kind of anomaly another anomaly is of the proportionate increase of the amount of scholarship. In 1960 the price of a kilo of rice was 20 paise only and the aspirant was getting 5 kilos of rice for one Re., and, thus, 1250 kilos of rice for Rs.250/- pm. Nowadays, at the present minimum rate of Rs.30/- per each kilo of rice the scholarship amount must be increased to (1250 30=) Rs.37,500/-. But, very recently, with great difficulty, the concerned authorities have increased it to Rs. 5000/- pm.

While each and everybody is fighting for the increase in his/her salaries or income is there any maestro or legend or expert of Professor to fight for the noble cause of helping the poor aspirants of our Karnataka-music??? amsharma

[Rsachi]

Sir,
A question under RTI to the concerned department seems warranted about:
1 . The composition of the question paper used for testing candidates during teacher selection
2. Whether Carnatic music teachers are appointed in KV
3. How many KVs teach Carnatic music
4. How many KVs teach Hindustani music
5. How many KVs don't teach any classical music

[eesha]

True Raschi

are you planning to file a RTI ? If not I will file one

This is a fit case to be escalated

[Rsachi]

Pls go ahead. I am a newbie in that

[harimau]

Why is anyone surprised?

The Northies, by virtue of being able to outbreed pigs, have got a huge population advantage and have decided that democracy means mob rule.

I have started sympathising with Jinnah's demand for Pakistan after watching the behaviour of these people.

I was told ICCR or the Ministry of Culture has a fund of Rs 300 crores that has not been spent. Yet, when you call our embassy in Berlin the answer is that they sponsor only sitar concerts. Talk to most Europeans and they only know sitar music. This is how India is represented on the cultural front by our officials.

The British would be seen to be right when they said India has produced nothing noteworthy in the arts if these fellows from north of the Vindhyas are allowed to defraud Westerners with ragas like Parameshwari and Dogesri.

PS. This post is meant to be inflammatory!

[cacm]

WELL SAID! EVEN TODAY I LAND IN CHENNAI-BANGALORE ETC & AVOID N.INDIA FOR SUCH REASONS! HAVING WAGED VARIOUS CAMPAIGNS TO ME THE CONCEPT OF INDIA IS A VERY DOUBTFUL PROPOSITION.....THE POLITICS IS NOT JUST MODI ETC ALONE....VKV

[Rsachi]

Harimau,
Those capable of inflaming passions should brandish their burning torches (tiger tiger burning bright!)

1. Nobody up north has heard of any south Indian musicians except Subbulakshmi, Balamurali, Yesudas and SPB.
2. Shah Rukh thinks Deepika speaks Madrassi.
3. Subra Swamy says IPL judgement hurts Tamil pride.
4. TMK says CM= Brahminical bigotry+ paddhati punditry+NRI circuitry.
5. We have reams written promoting an SK awardee and at the same time more reams written denigrating the awardee.
6. When Bombay Jaishree was nominated for the Oscar, she was loudly accused in the South for having stolen her song from Thampi.
So all in all we are in a pretty mess!

[ramamantra]

1. Nobody up north has heard of any south Indian musicians except Subbulakshmi, Balamurali, Yesudas and SPB.

Yeah, I too wondered why you mentioned Ravi Shankar's name first in your petition and then MS, as in: "This will enrich the cultural foundations in the education of our youth and create many more great musicians like Ravi Shankar and MS Subbulakshmi."

[msakella]

Each and every citizen must go through the following URLand strive hard to do his best in his own manner to our society: amsharma
http://www.thebetterindia.com/24115/67- ... nNPE4.dpuf
www.manarajahmundry.org

[R.narayan.rao]

When my son ,who is now 36 years old ,studied in Kendriya Vidyalaya, one Sri Narayanan Nair, a disciple of Sri Neyyattinkara Vasudevan was the music teacher. In the 80s, highly qualified music teachers were appointed in KVs. Only patriotic songs were taught .

[rshankar]

I happened to be a student of Kendriya Vidyalay IIT Madras when music was integral, and we had the luxury of a sanskRt teacher and music teacher who used to collaborate to present elaborate, original (carnatic) music and bharatanATyam shows for our school days...

And we learned patriotic songs and songs about the grandeur of KVs (like bhArat kA svarNim gaurav kEndriya vidyAlay lAyEgA, takshSilA nAlandA kA itihAs laut kE lAyEgA, etc...)

PS: Ranganayaki - do you remember those days????

[Rsachi]

Ravi,
I was a student in National Middle School Bangalore. My music teacher was Sri Karigiri Achar. We boys sang zestfully the songs he taught us, playing on his harmonium. He once secured an advanced instrument with pedals (from Japan!?) and showed us. he was a handsome man with long locks like MKT.
The picture is imprinted on my mind!
His family is the well-known Prabhat Kalavidaru, and Nirupama's husband Rajendra is his grand nephew.

[rshankar]

His family is the well-known Prabhat Kalavidaru, and Nirupama's husband Rajendra is his grand nephew.

Interesting..sort of an Aha moment (like the connection between the late Sri Visweswaran, and Sri GNB)!
And I am impressed that you remembered my fascination with vids. Nirupama and Rajendra...

[Rsachi]

Ravi
there are only a few things in this world worth remembering...

[ramamantra]

And we learned patriotic songs and songs about the grandeur of KVs (like bhArat kA svarNim gaurav kEndriya vidyAlay lAyEgA, takshSilA nAlandA kA itihAs laut kE lAyEgA, etc...)

wow! great to see some KV guys here.

Patriotic songs in diff languages: akash ganga (Bengali), odi vilayadu (tamil), etc., besides the usual hind desh, sare jahan and vande mataram. Me from KV kochi and visakha. We had a northie music teacher whose husband worked with the navy. In fact the school in kochi was part of the naval base. She tried to teach us some meera bhajans initially but it all stopped suddenly. Now, I know why.

[sureshvv]

Chella Upendran was the Music teacher at KV IIT Chennai. She was very talented (AIR B Grade) and taught us songs in different languages.

Telugu: Bhashanalli veraina bhavam okkate
Malayalam: Kandu kandangirikkum janangale
Hindi: Hum bina ticket ke chalte hain (chorus line)
Hamari suno vandana sharde ma

Several teachers could sing well (Shanta-Bio, Vasantha-Chem) and the cultural programs were of very high standard.

[sampoorna]

Wasn't there a Mrs. Shanta Rajan, Prof. Rajan's (used to teach power plant engineering) wife who also sang very well? Is she the same?
Narayana.

[rshankar]

Chella Upendran was the Music teacher at KV IIT Chennai. She was very talented (AIR B Grade) and taught us songs in different languages.

Several teachers could sing well (Shanta-Bio, Vasantha-Chem) and the cultural programs were of very high standard.

Forgot about shouting out to you, Suresh! Apologies....
She also taught us gAyiyE gaNpati jag vandan, and a wonderful song, galat mat kadam uThAo sOc kar calO, vicAr kar calO, mastiyOn mein rang bhari phAg lE calO

Ms. Chella and Sri Seshadri (SanskRt PGT) used to collaborate on so many productions - the ones that stand out in my mind are the song-dance (bharatanATyam) sequences from Sri Seshadri's sanskRt play, mAlavikAgnimitram, and the 'dance-drama' mOhini-bhasmAsura where he wrote the lyrics and she and he composed the music and lead the orcehstra, with Charubala (of Charsur) dancing in the role of Mohini, her cousin, Subhashini (the late Smt. Seetha Subramaniam's daughter) dancing in the role of Siva, and Elizabeth Kuriakose dancing in the role of bhasmAsura. It was a wonderful production. It's a pity that these productions were not recorded.
After Ms. Chella left, Smt. Vasantha staged 'AyanukkAga tAn kaNDa kanA', a very nice production on vAraNam Ayiram, and Sri Seshadri wrote the lyrics and composed the music for another song-dance sequence for a play on Alexander/sikander.

[rshankar]

Wasn't there a Mrs. Shanta Rajan, Prof. Rajan's (used to teach power plant engineering) wife who also sang very well? Is she the same?
Narayana.

No, this Smt. Shantha is different. She passed away a few years after she was transferred from KV IITM.

[shankarank]

I have started sympathising with Jinnah's demand for Pakistan after watching the behaviour of these people.

We southerners deserve better than that. The Boeing friends. Those who build planes. We don't have a problem feeling inferior to those people. Remember that? That will be a clean solution - no mess. Southern destinations will be even more attractive and all of them will land.

All the favorite instruments of yours for which you express your avid affection every now and then, will rule the roost.

Lets lock the "Oh BharatiyarE" thread if it is not already. That was just a hormonal phenomenon. Not to be taken seriously. He seems to be making more sense under a time reversal transformation ( t=-t) farther you go back.

I was hoping for a time reversal symmetry sometime in the future - but that is not a possibility anymore.

PS. This post is meant to douse the flames and lead to peace!

[kvchellappa]

In layman's parlance what is that?

[harimau]

We southerners deserve better than that. The Boeing friends. Those who build planes. We don't have a problem feeling inferior to those people.

I don't understand what this rubbish you wrote means. And I can understand English.

You can feel inferior to anybody. I have never felt that particular need. Nor do I feel I need anybody's approval.

[shankarank]

I'ed rather feel inferior to those that build planes rather than someone who cannot even build a flushing toilet

Said in some HM vs CM thread in the erstwhile predecessor forum. I remember it. Archives may be with your favorite artist. Go ahead and deny that. That one is vintage harimau un-deniability writ all over it.

How does it matter? If you can watch and report on some people you should extend the same privilege to others.

[rvkrishnamurthy]

To me the KV and similar organizations are no different from the madrassas of Pakistan.

[Ranganayaki]

To me the KV and similar organizations are no different from the madrassas of Pakistan.

How ugly, don't you care that it is our Alma mater, our first one and that every child who grows up has a special attachment to their schools?

Not all Madrasas breed fundamentalists and not all fundamentalists are terrorists. And if they are not terrorists, how is what they have in Pakistan your business?

[Ranganayaki]

I happened to be a student of Kendriya Vidyalay IIT Madras when music was integral, and we had the luxury of a sanskRt teacher and music teacher who used to collaborate to present elaborate, original (carnatic) music and bharatanATyam shows for our school days...

And we learned patriotic songs and songs about the grandeur of KVs (like bhArat kA svarNim gaurav kEndriya vidyAlay lAyEgA, takshSilA nAlandA kA itihAs laut kE lAyEgA, etc...)

PS: Ranganayaki - do you remember those days????

Yes!!! Sorry, didn't come across this till just before I went to bed last night! Yes, as Suresh said, it was Chella Upendran. Amazing dedication and everything was prepared like clockwork! Charubala was also raging Iravati in MalavikaAgnimitram .. There was also the play about Panna of Mewar who saved the prince by sacrificing her own sleeping child.

It hasn't been mentioned that Chella Upendran was the wife of Thanjavur Upendran, mridangam maestro. I've seen him play on TV, but he died rather early, may be about 25 years ago.

[sureshvv]

To me the KV and similar organizations are no different from the madrassas of Pakistan.

Or the catholic schools where you are a refugee.

[sureshvv]

Wasn't there a Mrs. Shanta Rajan, Prof. Rajan's (used to teach power plant engineering) wife who also sang very well? Is she the same?
Narayana.

No, this Smt. Shantha is different. She passed away a few years after she was transferred from KV IITM.

Shanta VIswanathan, I believe. Biology PGT.

[kvjayan]

Equating Kendriya Vidyalayas with Paki madrassas is borne out of either ignorance or arrogance or perhaps, both.