Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
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harimau
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Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
This is an important point that needs to be considered carefully.
Comparisons between instruments which are not subjective and humans who bring their own biases into their observations have probably been documented in scientific literature.
Psychologists talk about 'phenomenology' where results are skewed due to preconceived notions on the part of participants in experiments.
Now comes the operative part: Two of the three members of Team Harimau have reported that their recording devices have failed to record concerts of Sanjay Subramaniam and TMK. The batteries were fully charged and the recording light stayed on during the concert.
Does this mean that an inanimate device is a fairer judge than humans when it comes to artistic sensibilities?
Will this be considered by various sabhas in handing out awards at least from next year?
If that happens, is TMK not fated to get the Sangeetha Kalanidhi ever?
The mind boggles!
Comparisons between instruments which are not subjective and humans who bring their own biases into their observations have probably been documented in scientific literature.
Psychologists talk about 'phenomenology' where results are skewed due to preconceived notions on the part of participants in experiments.
Now comes the operative part: Two of the three members of Team Harimau have reported that their recording devices have failed to record concerts of Sanjay Subramaniam and TMK. The batteries were fully charged and the recording light stayed on during the concert.
Does this mean that an inanimate device is a fairer judge than humans when it comes to artistic sensibilities?
Will this be considered by various sabhas in handing out awards at least from next year?
If that happens, is TMK not fated to get the Sangeetha Kalanidhi ever?
The mind boggles!
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kvchellappa
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
What you have written can be understood only by instruments.
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Rsachi
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
Harimau,
you have established a HUGELY important phenomenon. It had often beeen said that spouses and pets and draught animals imbibe the attitudes and expressions of their master over time. For the first time, there is empirical evidence that your electronic devices have been Harimau-ed. Imagine if this happens to also your mobile phone, car and door bell
you have established a HUGELY important phenomenon. It had often beeen said that spouses and pets and draught animals imbibe the attitudes and expressions of their master over time. For the first time, there is empirical evidence that your electronic devices have been Harimau-ed. Imagine if this happens to also your mobile phone, car and door bell
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cacm
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
[quote="harimau"]This is an important point that needs to be considered carefully.
Comparisons between instruments which are not subjective and humans who bring their own biases into their observations have probably been documented in scientific literature.........TRUE. I FEEL THIS IS WHY CARNATIC MUSICIANS OF TODAY SURVIVE, GAIN NAME& FAME BY THEIR P.R. TECHNIQUES MOSTLY & JUSTIFIABLY HAVE EARNED THE CONTEMPT OF HINDHUSTANI CLASSICAL MUSICANS....
Now comes the operative part: Two of the three members of Team Harimau have reported that their recording devices have failed to record concerts of Sanjay Subramaniam and TMK. The batteries were fully charged and the recording light stayed on during the concert.....HARIMAU& HIS TEAM being very savvy I SUSPECT they might have used Aritificial Intelligence & Neural Network Techinques to TEACH the recording devices WHAT GOOD & TECHNICALLY CORRECT CARNATIC MUSIC IS as well as WHAT THE COMPOSITIONS OF THE GREAT COMPOSERS ACTUALLY MEAN ETC. &taught them to reject WHITE NOISE as well as use S/N CRITERIA. No wonder they rejected the stuff they heard....PLEASE TREAT THIS AS A JOKE THOUGH I AM WILLING TO TECHNICALLY DEFEND WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN HERE...
Does this mean that an inanimate device is a fairer judge than humans when it comes to artistic sensibilities?...
YES unless they are as good as the VACUM TUBE VERSION (NOT TRANSISTOR) of Macintosh Amplifier , NIMBUS MICS & ALTEC LANSING "VOICE OF THE THEATER" SPEAKERS....VKV

I MUST HOWEVER ADD THAT THE INSTRUMENTAL MUSICIANS IN CARNATIC MUSIC TODAY ARE TECHNICALLY GREAT & MY OBSERVATIONS DO NOT APPLY TO THEM. I am referring only to the VOCALISTS.....VKV
Comparisons between instruments which are not subjective and humans who bring their own biases into their observations have probably been documented in scientific literature.........TRUE. I FEEL THIS IS WHY CARNATIC MUSICIANS OF TODAY SURVIVE, GAIN NAME& FAME BY THEIR P.R. TECHNIQUES MOSTLY & JUSTIFIABLY HAVE EARNED THE CONTEMPT OF HINDHUSTANI CLASSICAL MUSICANS....
Now comes the operative part: Two of the three members of Team Harimau have reported that their recording devices have failed to record concerts of Sanjay Subramaniam and TMK. The batteries were fully charged and the recording light stayed on during the concert.....HARIMAU& HIS TEAM being very savvy I SUSPECT they might have used Aritificial Intelligence & Neural Network Techinques to TEACH the recording devices WHAT GOOD & TECHNICALLY CORRECT CARNATIC MUSIC IS as well as WHAT THE COMPOSITIONS OF THE GREAT COMPOSERS ACTUALLY MEAN ETC. &taught them to reject WHITE NOISE as well as use S/N CRITERIA. No wonder they rejected the stuff they heard....PLEASE TREAT THIS AS A JOKE THOUGH I AM WILLING TO TECHNICALLY DEFEND WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN HERE...
Does this mean that an inanimate device is a fairer judge than humans when it comes to artistic sensibilities?...
YES unless they are as good as the VACUM TUBE VERSION (NOT TRANSISTOR) of Macintosh Amplifier , NIMBUS MICS & ALTEC LANSING "VOICE OF THE THEATER" SPEAKERS....VKV
I MUST HOWEVER ADD THAT THE INSTRUMENTAL MUSICIANS IN CARNATIC MUSIC TODAY ARE TECHNICALLY GREAT & MY OBSERVATIONS DO NOT APPLY TO THEM. I am referring only to the VOCALISTS.....VKV
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mahavishnu
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
I think it is time to replace Team Harimau's recording device.
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harimau
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
The recording devices -- different makes and models -- recorded other concerts with no problem whatsoever.mahavishnu wrote:I think it is time to replace Team Harimau's recording device.
They hiccup only when they hear TMK or Sanjay!
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Rsachi
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
Harimau,
just for a moment-not any longer - consider the possibility that the two great musicians on whom many heap praise (and your tribe, contempt) may be endowed with spiritual powers to prevent undesirable elements make bootleg recordings. Such instances have beem recorded before by Swami Rama, Paramahamsa Yogananda and so on.
Maybe you will have to show contrition and regret for your devices to operate in such presence.
just for a moment-not any longer - consider the possibility that the two great musicians on whom many heap praise (and your tribe, contempt) may be endowed with spiritual powers to prevent undesirable elements make bootleg recordings. Such instances have beem recorded before by Swami Rama, Paramahamsa Yogananda and so on.
Maybe you will have to show contrition and regret for your devices to operate in such presence.
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arasi
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
எல்லாம் அரி ம(மௌ)யம் ஆகிடலாமோ?
தூணையும் துரும்பெனக் கிள்ளிக் களைவான்
ஆணை! என் நிறுவையே அறுதியென்பான்
இணையிலா இசையானாலும் மனம் கொள்ளாது
அணையாய் நின்றதனை எதிர்த்திடுவான், கேளீர!
துணையும் தேடி 'டீம்' ஆகிடுவான், உண்மை!
கணை விடுப்பான் கடுமை தோய்த்துமவன்
வெள்ளம் வடிந்திட, இசை பெருகும்--
பள்ளம் நோக்கிச் செல்வோமோ, உயர்வோமோ??
தூணையும் துரும்பெனக் கிள்ளிக் களைவான்
ஆணை! என் நிறுவையே அறுதியென்பான்
இணையிலா இசையானாலும் மனம் கொள்ளாது
அணையாய் நின்றதனை எதிர்த்திடுவான், கேளீர!
துணையும் தேடி 'டீம்' ஆகிடுவான், உண்மை!
கணை விடுப்பான் கடுமை தோய்த்துமவன்
வெள்ளம் வடிந்திட, இசை பெருகும்--
பள்ளம் நோக்கிச் செல்வோமோ, உயர்வோமோ??
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MaheshS
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
Interested to know what concerts you did manage to record this season 
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arasi
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
ellAm ari ma(mau)yam AgiDalAmO?
thUNaiyum thurumbenak kiLLik kaLaivAn
ANaiyiTTavan niRaiyE aRudiyenbAn
iNaiyilA isaiyAnAlum manam koLLAdu
aNaiyAi ninRadanai edirthiDuvAn, kELIr!
thuNaiyum thEDi 'TIm' AgiDuvAn, uNmai!
kaNai viDuppAn, kaDumai thOythumavan:(
veLlam vaDindiDa isai perugum!
paLLam nOkkic celvOmO, uyarvOmO?
thUNaiyum thurumbenak kiLLik kaLaivAn
ANaiyiTTavan niRaiyE aRudiyenbAn
iNaiyilA isaiyAnAlum manam koLLAdu
aNaiyAi ninRadanai edirthiDuvAn, kELIr!
thuNaiyum thEDi 'TIm' AgiDuvAn, uNmai!
kaNai viDuppAn, kaDumai thOythumavan:(
veLlam vaDindiDa isai perugum!
paLLam nOkkic celvOmO, uyarvOmO?
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SrinathK
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
Methinks that the vyagra-kuThumbam's brains subconsciously guided their thumbs to turning the recording button off before putting device in pocket. It's a conspiracy. 
The tigers however seem to be in need of dentures of late.
The tigers however seem to be in need of dentures of late.
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kvchellappa
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Re: Does Electronic Equipment Have Better Sensibilities than Humans?
Harimau, you must frame and hang in your home the poem. Must be unique to be so honoured. In return, inimel gup-chipnnu irukkanam.