N.C. Vasanthakokilam
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				Lakshman
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
RSR:  I had already sent you an email explaining the two songs that start with enta nErcinA.  The shuddhadhanyAsi /udayaravicandrikA song is by Tyagaraja and the sAvEri song is by Patnam Subramania Iyer.  There is no need for any doubt here.  Hope others will confirm this.  Thanks.
			
			
									
									
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				RSR
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
@101-> Sri.Lakshman_ji, Perfectly  true. Here  is  the  quote  from the mail(9-10-2017)  " #16 - if it is entanErcinA enta cUcinA it is in shuddhadhanyAsi and is by Tyagaraja.  Patnam's song is entanErcinA saphalamEmi.  IT is in sAvEri. ".. i  merely  said, I WAS  confused.  and  the doubt  has  been  clarified.  ( the  problem arose because  the  mp3  was  listed  as  nerchina...poornachandrika..patanam subramanya iyer"...)Confusing on two  counts. 1) the ragam  name..udhaya ravi chandrika  but  not  applicable  here. 2) name  of  the composer . ]That  was  before  I  got  your  clarification. Thank  you.
			
			
													
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				CRama
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
RSR. The song is not sung by N.C.Vasanthakokilam. It is sung by some later day singer. and the song is neither of the Entanerchinas. It is Ne jesina in Poornachandrika. Only the last two lines of the song and the kalpana swarams are there.
			
			
									
									
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				RSR
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
#103, CRama_ji, That is  what I  feared and  suspected, as  told  by another friend  to  whom I  had  sent  the  mp3. who  not  conversant  with CM, said  that  the  record  starts  abruptly.   Thank  you  very  much for  pointing  out. I  will  remove  it  immediately. 
Just today, I have placed the Todi kruthi by NCV. at
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... thyagaraja
May I have your confirmation? ( I hope that it does not have the same problem about the singer's name)
			
			
									
									
						Just today, I have placed the Todi kruthi by NCV. at
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... thyagaraja
May I have your confirmation? ( I hope that it does not have the same problem about the singer's name)
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				CRama
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
RSR. The Emijesite song by NCV given by you in the above post has already been posted by Varsha in # 84. It must be part of a radio concert. complete and wonderfully sung. The songs Vinayaka Vighnanasaka (Chakravakam) and Sattileni (Poorvikalyani) also may belong to the same concert.
			
			
									
									
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				RSR
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
@105->CRama_ji-> Thank  you  very  much Sir. I too  got all  these  special  songs  from varsha_ji  upload  #91. I  have  downloaded all  the  songs  and  got  the opening  lines  for 16  numbered  songs  from friends. and  sent  them  to him  for  information.( the  numbered  songs  were  already  mentioned  in the  website. ) Is  vinayaka vignanasaka  the  same  as  the  upload  by  Raju  asokan   https://youtu.be/Eo2RTdn8m8k and added  to  my  site  at 
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... egavaahini
The ragam has been mentioned as vegavahini? which is correct? just now googled and landed at
https://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8295
Shall I hence mention the ragam as vegavaahini as this is a Dhikshithar kruthi?
			
			
									
									
						https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... egavaahini
The ragam has been mentioned as vegavahini? which is correct? just now googled and landed at
https://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8295
Shall I hence mention the ragam as vegavaahini as this is a Dhikshithar kruthi?
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				CRama
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
Vinayaka Vighnanasaka- You have already included in the site.  can be written as Vegavahini.
			
			
									
									
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				RSR
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@107-> Sir, just  now  completed  the  page creation. Kindly  have a look  and  check up. Regards.
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... egavaahini
			
			
									
									
						https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... egavaahini
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				RSR
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
Just  want  to  share a passage:  ( from a booklet on Dhikshithar) 
"There are two schools of melakartha systems, one propounded by Venkatamakhi and the other by Govindacharya.
The nomenclature adopted by the first is called the 'Kanakambari-Phenadyuti' nomenclature
and that by the second is called the 'Kanakangi- Ratnangi' nomenclature.
Muthuswami Dikshitar has followed the first system while Tyagaraja has followed the second.
Among the janya ragas also the names sometimes differ.
To mention a few, Dikshitar has used the names Kasiramakriya,Vegavahini and Sivapantuvarali
for the ragas Pantuvarali, Chakravakom and Subhapantuvarali respectively.
He has used the name Udayaravichandrika for the present Suddhadhanyasi
(this may have relevance for the few preceding posts in this thread)
			
			
									
									
						"There are two schools of melakartha systems, one propounded by Venkatamakhi and the other by Govindacharya.
The nomenclature adopted by the first is called the 'Kanakambari-Phenadyuti' nomenclature
and that by the second is called the 'Kanakangi- Ratnangi' nomenclature.
Muthuswami Dikshitar has followed the first system while Tyagaraja has followed the second.
Among the janya ragas also the names sometimes differ.
To mention a few, Dikshitar has used the names Kasiramakriya,Vegavahini and Sivapantuvarali
for the ragas Pantuvarali, Chakravakom and Subhapantuvarali respectively.
He has used the name Udayaravichandrika for the present Suddhadhanyasi
(this may have relevance for the few preceding posts in this thread)
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				RSR
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
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Vinayaka Vighnanasaka- You have already included in the site. can be written as Vegavahini.
Out of curiosity about the ragam names controversy, I googled for Kasiramakriya and vegavahini , and came across this nice pdf from Shodhganga ( a kind of R&D papers). I am certain that Sri, CRama will like it as it bears on some of the NCV uplaods. being done
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 8trFTkkBj0
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For enabling highlighting, I have placed it in
https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... hikshithar
Best Regards.
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				RSR
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
@83->'Sri.Vasanthakokilam'.......In identifying  ragams, my  practice  is  to  take a good  rendering  by  old  time  vocalists  like    DKP.. MS, NCV, GNB, MMI, MLV  and  identify  other  songs  on that  basis.  ( rather  than  arohanam. avarohanam.  details  and  parent scale approach).  Accordingly,  my  reference  for  Neelaambar  is  an  old  gem  by  DKP  ( 'maamava maadhava dhevaa krushnaa").  Neelanmbari  typically  is  sung  in  slow  tempo  and  normal  octave  region only.  The  lines  by  NCV 'vEllAai malaranai mael avaL , veeNaiyum  kaiyum',  is  not  reconcilable  with neelaambari  sanchaaram but  easily  with Thilang,  With  due  regards.    Only  the  NCV  song  remains  in my  memory. (not  the  orchestration). With  50%  hearing  impairment,  I  am unable  to  either  endorse  or  refute  your  opinion  about  the  ragam of  the  first stanza, When  it  comes to  ragams  in ragamalika  , our  forum  members  give  different  replies.  lakshman_ji  says  that  the  first stanza  is  sahana. !  identifying  ragas  correctly  in ragamalikas  is a good  exercise, I  believe.  May  I  have  your  opinion  about  the  quality  of  https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... thyagaraja
			
			
									
									
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				vasanthakokilam
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
RSR, got it. 
What Lakshmanji says may be for a different tuning of the same song.
others who read this post, please give this link a listen and write down the ragas you hear. This way RSR can document the song correctly. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxkyKHMzPJM
			
			
									
									
						What Lakshmanji says may be for a different tuning of the same song.
others who read this post, please give this link a listen and write down the ragas you hear. This way RSR can document the song correctly. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxkyKHMzPJM
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				Sachi_R
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
Opening strains Tilang
Followed by singing etc.
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Nilambari
Karnataka Devagandharam
Khamach
			
			
									
									
						Followed by singing etc.
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Nilambari
Karnataka Devagandharam
Khamach
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				RSR
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
@113-> Thank you, ji. There  is  no  problem  with beemplaas and kamaaj  for  second  and  third  stanzas.  The  first  stanza  is  tilang. 
veLLai malaraNai mEl avaL veeNaiyum kaiyum ....etc
வெள்ளை மலரணைமேல்-அவள்வீணையும் கையும் விரிந்த முகமலர்
When she repeats these lines, It sounds exactly like other famous songs in tilang like 1) shyaama sundara madana mohana ..by MS in sevasdahanam film
https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... ara-tilang
2) saanthi nilava vendum by DKP
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... ava-vendum
3) yadhunandhana gopala by MS in Meera
https://sites.google.com/site/meera1945 ... hunandhana
4) nallathor veeNai seythe athai nangedap puzhuthiyil... ( film Rama rajyam AVM productions..tamil 1946) .
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As I said, such a foray is not found in neelaambari .
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For neelaambari, DKP's maamava maadhava deva krushna is the reference. Unfortunately, I am unable to locate that 'plate'
			
			
									
									
						veLLai malaraNai mEl avaL veeNaiyum kaiyum ....etc
வெள்ளை மலரணைமேல்-அவள்வீணையும் கையும் விரிந்த முகமலர்
When she repeats these lines, It sounds exactly like other famous songs in tilang like 1) shyaama sundara madana mohana ..by MS in sevasdahanam film
https://sites.google.com/site/homage2ms ... ara-tilang
2) saanthi nilava vendum by DKP
https://sites.google.com/site/dkpattamm ... ava-vendum
3) yadhunandhana gopala by MS in Meera
https://sites.google.com/site/meera1945 ... hunandhana
4) nallathor veeNai seythe athai nangedap puzhuthiyil... ( film Rama rajyam AVM productions..tamil 1946) .
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As I said, such a foray is not found in neelaambari .
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For neelaambari, DKP's maamava maadhava deva krushna is the reference. Unfortunately, I am unable to locate that 'plate'
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				Sachi_R
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Listen to this: https://youtu.be/IxkyKHMzPJM?t=60
And maybe you can check this:
https://youtu.be/b4lHwxuEyPs
			
			
									
									
						And maybe you can check this:
https://youtu.be/b4lHwxuEyPs
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				RSR
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@115-> Sure, ji!.. Kindly  see  https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... 01-pillaip
Though DKP is one of my adored musicians, I am not much of a listener to her concert songs after 1970. Her Neelaambari that I have cited is good enough reference for me.. ' ambuja lochana....'.. I observe that neelaambari always remains in the limited range of the octave of rendering...central-lower Let us await, inputs from actual vocalists. No offence meant
			
			
									
									
						Though DKP is one of my adored musicians, I am not much of a listener to her concert songs after 1970. Her Neelaambari that I have cited is good enough reference for me.. ' ambuja lochana....'.. I observe that neelaambari always remains in the limited range of the octave of rendering...central-lower Let us await, inputs from actual vocalists. No offence meant
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				Ranganayaki
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
Yes, I agree!, though I'd said only Neelambari in the other discussion. The instrumental opening and the first two lines are in Tilang if I remember right.Sachi_R wrote: ↑13 Feb 2018, 14:07 @28 RSR,
This seems to be the song, right?
https://youtu.be/IxkyKHMzPJM
The opening strains are Tilang, but quickly the instruments and singer move to an indubitable Nilambari.
So it's a tie!
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@117->  That  is fine.  but  my  contention is  that  the Tilang  part  is  brought  out  unmistakably  in the  repetition of  'veLLai malaraMai mel'.  (in the higher reach) .. Moreover...  though  in hindi  film  music  of  the  1950  decade, music  directors  like  CRamachandra, Naushad, MadanMohan and  Shankar Jaikishen  used  to  score  wonderful  songs  based  on classical  ragas  but  also  mix  raga for  ranjakathvam,  that  was  not  the  case  in most  of  the  non-kruthi  records  given by  MS.DKP and NCV   If  they were  ragamalikas,  each  stanza  will  be  of  one  raga  only.  Some  examples  which  come  to my  mind  are 1) thavamum palitthathammA,,,  2) dheyvatth thamizh nAttinile  3)  vadavaraiya ..4) mudiyondri moovulakangalum  5) yaamarintha  mozhikalile  6) chenthamizhnaadenum pothinile  ( all 78  rpm  records) .  SVV was a very  creative  music  director  and  for all  that  we  know,  he  might  have  used  just  one  or  two  ragams  in a three  minute  record.  Typically  oLi padaittha kaNNInAy  .. Instrumental  interlude  used  to be brief  but  bewitching.  He  would  not  mix  two  ragams  in a single  stanza.
			
			
									
									
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				vasanthakokilam
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RSR, may be you are overthinking this. There is unmistakable Neelambari there and that portion is NOT thilang ( leaving aside all the technicalities of how ragas are typically presented in film music ).  I do not know how you can not see similarity to that Neelambari portion to the numerous Neelambari songs.  That is what I was saying back in October. I am glad we reopened this discussion so we can tie it up nicely instead of leaving it open.
May be you are used to Neelambari being sung slower and not at the tempo NCV is singing.
			
			
									
									
						May be you are used to Neelambari being sung slower and not at the tempo NCV is singing.
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				Ranganayaki
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I'm torn here. I don't think it is Tilang. The instrumental portion is not Tilang either. Wherever it is purely sgmpns-snpmgs it sounds like gambheera nattai (GN). That said SGMPNS like  GN is common to Neelambari. But from 0:18 to 0:25, there are many rgm.. At 18, it goes rgm..-pnsmg (pl correct me if I'm wrong about the ri). At 0:21, it goes pm-g.. RGMP..MG..RGM...G.S.. - what raga is that??! Not GN or Tilang or Neelambari. I'd say it sounds like a playful shankarabharanam. It could be anything!
Then the song begins with the first line ending at Tara shadjam, but with a small sangati that goes like pnsnp. The ni does not sound like ni2 to me, a requirement of Tilang. The word kandu (aval penmaiyai kandu) is NSNP and that does not seem to have a N2 either.
I'm leaning again towards believing that it's either only Neelambari or GN and Neelambari, which is unlikely, because the other stanzas are in just one raga. Also, the swaras of GN don't clash with Neelambari. Plus may be we are influenced by the impression we have of Neelambari being a sedate/sedative raga that this unfamiliar aspect of Neelambari just cannot be squared with what we are familiar with, and we think it has to be a different raga. It's true for me.
			
			
									
									
						Then the song begins with the first line ending at Tara shadjam, but with a small sangati that goes like pnsnp. The ni does not sound like ni2 to me, a requirement of Tilang. The word kandu (aval penmaiyai kandu) is NSNP and that does not seem to have a N2 either.
I'm leaning again towards believing that it's either only Neelambari or GN and Neelambari, which is unlikely, because the other stanzas are in just one raga. Also, the swaras of GN don't clash with Neelambari. Plus may be we are influenced by the impression we have of Neelambari being a sedate/sedative raga that this unfamiliar aspect of Neelambari just cannot be squared with what we are familiar with, and we think it has to be a different raga. It's true for me.
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				RSR
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@119, 120. -> Very  fine  . "
			
			
									
									
						". True.May be you are used to Neelambari being sung slower and not at the tempo NCV is singing.
...May be that Ranganayaki is right. If there are very limited lines , it is possivble that it evokes the shades of quite a few ragams. There are many such controversies in CM world. The instances of Tilang in other songs based on which I take it as Tilang have been given..May be , if not exactly tilang, some CM raga closely allied to it. (circumstancial evidence: In that decade, many ragamalikas were based on ragams common to both HM & CM. ) For example, the songs in ragams like beemplas, karnatakadevagandhari, aaberi, rathipathipriya and such, sound much similar to each other. . It is not about the tempo in which it is sung by NCV, but the range of neelkaambari, essentially sung in lower octaves. . However, i bow to experts . Let the discussion continue. We will get interesting insights.'it could be anything!"
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				Ranganayaki
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No, I meant only all the rgm and rgmp between 0:18 and 0:25. Just that part it just stands out like shankarabharanam swaras, and don't fit with Neelambari. So many janyas too might have those swaras and I think it's pointless to try to identify it. The instrumental interlude is not rigorous and in fact the wind instrument had quite a few slips. Yet it passed and made it into the recording!
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				Ranganayaki
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
I think it's both, the tempo and the range.
But RSR, you don't mean "lower octaves," but the lower part of the middle octave. The upper octave is the tara sthayee and the lower octave is the mandara sthayee.
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				Ranganayaki
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
I made a similar point, and hadn't noticed this line, already there from VK.vasanthakokilam wrote: ↑15 Feb 2018, 21:40
May be you are used to Neelambari being sung slower and not at the tempo NCV is singing.
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				RSR
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Thank you. That is what I meant to say.the lower part of the middle octave.
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@124=->In all humility, I submit that  the  same  ragam and  even by  the  same  composer  ,may  not  reveal  its  essential  characteristic in all  the  compositions.  My  favourite  illustrations  are  the   kruthis  in kamaj. by  Thyagaraja and  Dhikshithar.  In  a different  thread, I  had  mentioned seethapathe (not  so good) and  sujana jeevana (fine)by  Thyagaraja and  saarasadhaLa  (wonderful) by  Dheekshithar.  DKP  has  sung  a few  more  in neelAmbari and  all  of  them  are  of  slow  tempo  and  in as  you  say, the  lower  regions  of  the  middle  octave.  ( the  range  may  go  into pa in lower octave soetimes) 
.... karaharapriya ,(or some raga similar) in which Thyagaraja swami has given quite a few compositions, is made a mockery of , in a film song with harmonium and all that . I forget the name of the film. 'puthuppeNNin manathai' 1948 etc. It seems there are 3000 ragams! so long as the identification is not far off the mark, let us enjoy the song if good and think less of grammar.
			
			
									
									
						.... karaharapriya ,(or some raga similar) in which Thyagaraja swami has given quite a few compositions, is made a mockery of , in a film song with harmonium and all that . I forget the name of the film. 'puthuppeNNin manathai' 1948 etc. It seems there are 3000 ragams! so long as the identification is not far off the mark, let us enjoy the song if good and think less of grammar.
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This  is  an image  from Dr.Pasupathy's  blog.  'sangeetha vishayangaL'.
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"944-ஆம் ஆண்டு, டிசம்பர் மாதம். வழக்கம்போல் சென்னையில் இசை விழா நடந்து முடிந்த சமயம். ஜனவரியில் அடுத்து வரும் தியாகராஜ ஆராதனைக்கு மும்முரமாய் ஏற்பாடுகள் நடக்கத் தொடங்குகின்றன. முதலில் ஆராதனை மஹோத்சவ சபைக்கு வேண்டி இருந்தது என்ன ? வேறென்ன ? வைடமின் ‘ப’ , பணம்தான்! “நிதி சால சுகமா” என்று பாடினால் விழா நடத்த முடியுமா?
உத்சவ நிதிக்காகத் தஞ்சாவூரில் 15 கச்சேரிகள் நடக்கின்றன. யாரெல்லாம் பாடினார்கள்? ( யாரெல்லாம் பாடவில்லை என்பதும் முக்கியம் தானோ? ) இதோ, அப்போது “விகட”னில் வந்த ஒரு விளம்பரத்தைப் பாருங்கள்!" ( BY DR.PASUPATHY)
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"944-ஆம் ஆண்டு, டிசம்பர் மாதம். வழக்கம்போல் சென்னையில் இசை விழா நடந்து முடிந்த சமயம். ஜனவரியில் அடுத்து வரும் தியாகராஜ ஆராதனைக்கு மும்முரமாய் ஏற்பாடுகள் நடக்கத் தொடங்குகின்றன. முதலில் ஆராதனை மஹோத்சவ சபைக்கு வேண்டி இருந்தது என்ன ? வேறென்ன ? வைடமின் ‘ப’ , பணம்தான்! “நிதி சால சுகமா” என்று பாடினால் விழா நடத்த முடியுமா?
உத்சவ நிதிக்காகத் தஞ்சாவூரில் 15 கச்சேரிகள் நடக்கின்றன. யாரெல்லாம் பாடினார்கள்? ( யாரெல்லாம் பாடவில்லை என்பதும் முக்கியம் தானோ? ) இதோ, அப்போது “விகட”னில் வந்த ஒரு விளம்பரத்தைப் பாருங்கள்!" ( BY DR.PASUPATHY)
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NOTE THE ARTISTE BILLED FOR 17-12-1944
SMT.N.C.VASANTHAKOKILAM
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Thanks, RSR.  As you know , I have been searching for ANY review of NCV's concerts in ANY magazine for a long time..  I could not even find her obituary note so far in any magazine. So sad! If anyone has more info, please post here.
			
			
									
									
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http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 436477.ece
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"he Hindu dated November 8, 1951, carries a small news item. Captioned “Death of Srimathi N.C. Vasanthakokilam” it states: “The death occurred of Srimathi N.C. Vasanthakokilam, the well-known South Indian musician, last evening at her residence in Gopalapuram. She was ailing for the past two weeks and was in a private nursing home till November 6. She was 32.”
The star had been suffering from tuberculosis and it was only a matter of time before death came a calling. On November 21, there was an even smaller news item. It stated that “at a meeting of the Indian Fine Arts Society held on November 10 under the presidentship of Mr. K.S. Ramaswami Sastri, a condolence resolution touching the death of Srimathi N.C. Vasanthakokilam was passed.” And with that, N.C. Vasanthakokilam was history. It was a very quiet farewell to a person who for some time was considered to be a leading Carnatic musician.
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Exact  date  and month of  birth  of Smt.NCV  is  not readily available  but  she   was born  in 1919 and  this year  , then, will  be  her CENTENARY  YEAR.    Veterans  in this  forum  familiar  with  the 1940-1950  DECADE  can  kindly  share  any  recordings  of  NCV.
			
			
									
									
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This  is a tribute  to  N.C.Vasanthakokilam  by  Smt.Ananthalakshmi Sadagopan.
arasi madam will like it very much.
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https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... on-ncv.JPG
			
			
									
									
						arasi madam will like it very much.
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https://sites.google.com/site/ncvasanth ... on-ncv.JPG
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A Ragamalika song about Krishna's Birth ( composed by Papanasam Sivan) in film " Krishna Vijayam " .
https://youtu.be/bHd6gDQ99lA
			
			
									
									
						https://youtu.be/bHd6gDQ99lA
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I  struck  GOLD  today, by  chance.  I  was afraid  that  the  list  of  NCV  songs
available for sharing was exhausted....but some kind souls have uploaded old gems from 1940-1950 films.
Here is NCV EPPO VARUVAARO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKXayv ... dded_uturn
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The tune is the same as MMI rendition of GopalaKrishna Barathy song (Jonpuri) but the lyrics have been slightly changed for this film version.
The song is from Venugaanam ( V.V.Sadagopan and N.C.Vsanthakokilam-1941 film)
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more to follow.
			
			
									
									
						available for sharing was exhausted....but some kind souls have uploaded old gems from 1940-1950 films.
Here is NCV EPPO VARUVAARO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKXayv ... dded_uturn
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The tune is the same as MMI rendition of GopalaKrishna Barathy song (Jonpuri) but the lyrics have been slightly changed for this film version.
The song is from Venugaanam ( V.V.Sadagopan and N.C.Vsanthakokilam-1941 film)
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more to follow.
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Here  is  another  fine song  from Krushna Vijayam ( 1950) in Sindhubairavi
Navaneetha kaNNane .
https://youtu.be/aHzUiJVyEZA
This is an mp4 file prepared with great dedication. The lyrics also given in the slides.
			
			
									
									
						Navaneetha kaNNane .
https://youtu.be/aHzUiJVyEZA
This is an mp4 file prepared with great dedication. The lyrics also given in the slides.
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Valmiki  was a film released  in 1946. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmiki_(1946_film)
N.C.Vsanthakokilam had sung four songs. according to the above wiki
Sundarananda Mukunda" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
"Poi Thavazhum Maaya Bhoomi" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
"Bhagawan Avadharipaar" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
"Bhuvimeedhu" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
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here is the tube-link for ' poy thavazhum maaya bhoomi song'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbPekDfANtw
( simmendra madhyamam and kambodhi)
			
			
									
									
						https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valmiki_(1946_film)
N.C.Vsanthakokilam had sung four songs. according to the above wiki
Sundarananda Mukunda" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
"Poi Thavazhum Maaya Bhoomi" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
"Bhagawan Avadharipaar" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
"Bhuvimeedhu" by N. C. Vasanthakokilam
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here is the tube-link for ' poy thavazhum maaya bhoomi song'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbPekDfANtw
( simmendra madhyamam and kambodhi)
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Here  is  another song  from  Venuganam ( co-starring  VVSadagopan)
Rohiniye thoothu sellaayo
ரோஹினியே தூது செல்லாயோ பாடியவர்: என். சி. வசந்தகோகிலம் திரைப்படம்: வேணுகானம் ஆண்டு: 1941
https://www.cmm.wiki/video/pjN64gxmUWY/uksharma3.html
			
			
									
									
						Rohiniye thoothu sellaayo
ரோஹினியே தூது செல்லாயோ பாடியவர்: என். சி. வசந்தகோகிலம் திரைப்படம்: வேணுகானம் ஆண்டு: 1941
https://www.cmm.wiki/video/pjN64gxmUWY/uksharma3.html
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Hasn't she sung enadu manam tuLLi viLayADudE in the film Haridas?
			
			
									
									
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May I know the ragam of the song please?
https://soundcloud.com/rsr-swamy/enathu ... t-128-kbps
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p.BALA-> It is better to avoid actual visuals from films. HD ONLY is preferable. or audio from soundcloud
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Here  is a long-forgotten  78  rpm  gem  from N.C.Vasanthakokilam  in boopaaLam  ragam.  
pozhuthu polarnthathu yaam seytha thavattyhaal...SUBRAMANYA BARATHY.( though she has not sung all the stanzas.)
https://soundcloud.com/rsr-swamy/pozuth ... hy-old-gem
Hoping that the link works.
பொழுது புலர்ந்தது; யாம்செய்த தவத்தால்,
புன்மை யிருட்கணம் போயின யாவும்;(yaavaiyum)
எழுபசும் பொற்சுடர் எங்கணும் பரவி
எழுந்து விளங்கியது அறிவெனும் இரவி;
தொழுதுனை வாழ்த்தி வணங்குதற்கு இங்குஉன்
தொண்டர்பல் லாயிரர் சூழ்ந்துநிற் கின்றோம்;
விழிதுயில் கின்றனை இன்னும்எம் தாயே!
வியப்பிது காண்!பள்ளி யெழுந்தரு ளாயே!
			
			
									
									
						pozhuthu polarnthathu yaam seytha thavattyhaal...SUBRAMANYA BARATHY.( though she has not sung all the stanzas.)
https://soundcloud.com/rsr-swamy/pozuth ... hy-old-gem
Hoping that the link works.
பொழுது புலர்ந்தது; யாம்செய்த தவத்தால்,
புன்மை யிருட்கணம் போயின யாவும்;(yaavaiyum)
எழுபசும் பொற்சுடர் எங்கணும் பரவி
எழுந்து விளங்கியது அறிவெனும் இரவி;
தொழுதுனை வாழ்த்தி வணங்குதற்கு இங்குஉன்
தொண்டர்பல் லாயிரர் சூழ்ந்துநிற் கின்றோம்;
விழிதுயில் கின்றனை இன்னும்எம் தாயே!
வியப்பிது காண்!பள்ளி யெழுந்தரு ளாயே!
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here  is a link  to  NCV songs  uploaded  to  sangeethamshare
http://www.sangeethamshare.org/murthy/K ... thakokilam........
01_En_palli_kondirayya-mOhana-aruNacala_kavi
02_mahAlakshmi_jaganmAtA-shankarAbharaNa-papanAsham_shivan
03_antarangamella-vAcaspati-shuddananda_bharati
04_pAmAlai_inai_undo-harikAmbhOji-pApanAsham_shivan
05_Ni_dayarAdA-vasantabhairavi-tyAgarAja
06_tripura_sundari-begaDa-tyAgarAja
07_Ananda_natanam-kAmbhoji-papanasham_shivan
08_sArasadaLa_nayana-khamAs-m.dIkshitar
09_mAyE_twam-tarangiNi-m.dIkshitar
10_ElAvatAram_ettukoNTivi-mukhAri-tyAgarAja
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						http://www.sangeethamshare.org/murthy/K ... thakokilam........
01_En_palli_kondirayya-mOhana-aruNacala_kavi
02_mahAlakshmi_jaganmAtA-shankarAbharaNa-papanAsham_shivan
03_antarangamella-vAcaspati-shuddananda_bharati
04_pAmAlai_inai_undo-harikAmbhOji-pApanAsham_shivan
05_Ni_dayarAdA-vasantabhairavi-tyAgarAja
06_tripura_sundari-begaDa-tyAgarAja
07_Ananda_natanam-kAmbhoji-papanasham_shivan
08_sArasadaLa_nayana-khamAs-m.dIkshitar
09_mAyE_twam-tarangiNi-m.dIkshitar
10_ElAvatAram_ettukoNTivi-mukhAri-tyAgarAja
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
N.C.Vsanthakokilam  -ragamalika- 1950-Krushnavijayam. 'aayar maNaiyil maayan vaLarnthu'. 
https://sites.google.com/site/4mp3files ... aniyil.mp3
The lyrics in tamiZh given with ragam information at
https://sites.google.com/site/4techstri ... ncv-dkp-ms
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1) கரஹப்ரியா
ஆயர் மனையிலே மாயன் வளர்ந்து
விளையாடும் விந்தை என் சொல்வேன்!
பெற்ற தாயினும் ,அந்த யசோதை பரிந்து அமுது ஊட்டிச் சீராட்டித் தாலாட்ட பாலகிருஷ்ணன் -
கம்சன் முதல் -உலகிற்கு இம்சை செய் கொடியவரைக்
கருவறுக்கத் தக்க தருணம் பார்த்துக் கொண்டு
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2) கேதாரகௌள
கனவிலும் கண்ணன் நினைவால் கலங்கினான் கம்சன்
கருமுகிலைக் கமல மலரைக்
கன இருளைக்
கண்ணாடியைக் காணும் தோறும்
அஞ்சி நடுங்கினான் --
சபை தனில் ஒருநாள்
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3 அடாணா
"எனது வைரி கிட்டன் என்ற பெயருடன்
எங்கோ மறைந்து வளர்கிறானாம்
இருளினும் கரு நிறத்திருடன் ,அவனைக்
கொன்று வந்தாலும்- உயிருடன்
கொண்டு வந்தாலும் -அவரைக்
கொண்டாடுவேன் --அன்றே
திருவிழாக் கொண்டாடுவேன் " என்றான்.
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4) ஹரிகாம்போதி
கும்பலில் நீ முந்தி நான் முந்தி என்று பல
குரலுடன் ஆர்த்தெழுந்தார் கொடும் அசுரர்
கோர சகடாசுரன் ,குருவி பகாசுரன்
வத்சன் வ்ருஷபாசுரன்
தேனுகன், அரிஷ்டன், கேசி,ப்ரலம்பன்
காளியனுடன் -பூதனை
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5) செஞ்சுருட்டி
மெல்ல மெல்ல நந்தகோபன்
அரண்மனைக்குள்ளே புகுந்து
மலர்க கண்ணனைக் கண்டாள்
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6) பெஹாக்
நஞ்சளைந்த பெருந்தனத்தாள் -யது
நாயகனைக் கொல்லும் மனத்தாள்
வஞ்சனையால் கையில் எடுத்தாள் -
மணி வண்ணன் வாய்திறந்து நகைத்தான்
பாலகிருஷ்ணன் பூதனைப் பேயின்
முலைப் பாலுடன் , அவள் ஆவியைக் குடித்தான்
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7) ஸ்ரீரஞ்சனி
கட்டின உரலை இழுத்துக் கொண்டு கண்ணன்
இரண்டு மருத மர நடுவில் தவழ்ந்தான்
வெட்டி முறித்ததுபோல் மரமிரண்டும்
வேருடன் விழ- யமனஅர்ஜுனர் பணிந்தார்
காலில் சதங்கை கொஞ்ச -முடியில் மயில்
பீலியும் ஒளி வீசத் - திருமேனி
முழுதும் புழுதியளைந்தோடி ,யசோதையின்
மேலே சாய்ந்த பாலகோபாலநன் தனை
அண்ணன் பலராமன் --"அம்மா ! இவன்
மண்ணை வாரியுண்டான் "-என்றான்.
கண்ணன் அஞ்சுவான் போல் நகர்ந்தான்
அன்னை சினந்து -'உன் வாய் திற " என்றாள்
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8) கதன குதூகலம்
மாதவன் பவள வாய் திறந்தான்
மாதா அதைக்கண்டு - கண்கள் மருண்டாள்
அண்ட சராசரங்கள் அங்கு கண்டாள்
			
			
									
									
						https://sites.google.com/site/4mp3files ... aniyil.mp3
The lyrics in tamiZh given with ragam information at
https://sites.google.com/site/4techstri ... ncv-dkp-ms
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1) கரஹப்ரியா
ஆயர் மனையிலே மாயன் வளர்ந்து
விளையாடும் விந்தை என் சொல்வேன்!
பெற்ற தாயினும் ,அந்த யசோதை பரிந்து அமுது ஊட்டிச் சீராட்டித் தாலாட்ட பாலகிருஷ்ணன் -
கம்சன் முதல் -உலகிற்கு இம்சை செய் கொடியவரைக்
கருவறுக்கத் தக்க தருணம் பார்த்துக் கொண்டு
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2) கேதாரகௌள
கனவிலும் கண்ணன் நினைவால் கலங்கினான் கம்சன்
கருமுகிலைக் கமல மலரைக்
கன இருளைக்
கண்ணாடியைக் காணும் தோறும்
அஞ்சி நடுங்கினான் --
சபை தனில் ஒருநாள்
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3 அடாணா
"எனது வைரி கிட்டன் என்ற பெயருடன்
எங்கோ மறைந்து வளர்கிறானாம்
இருளினும் கரு நிறத்திருடன் ,அவனைக்
கொன்று வந்தாலும்- உயிருடன்
கொண்டு வந்தாலும் -அவரைக்
கொண்டாடுவேன் --அன்றே
திருவிழாக் கொண்டாடுவேன் " என்றான்.
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4) ஹரிகாம்போதி
கும்பலில் நீ முந்தி நான் முந்தி என்று பல
குரலுடன் ஆர்த்தெழுந்தார் கொடும் அசுரர்
கோர சகடாசுரன் ,குருவி பகாசுரன்
வத்சன் வ்ருஷபாசுரன்
தேனுகன், அரிஷ்டன், கேசி,ப்ரலம்பன்
காளியனுடன் -பூதனை
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5) செஞ்சுருட்டி
மெல்ல மெல்ல நந்தகோபன்
அரண்மனைக்குள்ளே புகுந்து
மலர்க கண்ணனைக் கண்டாள்
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6) பெஹாக்
நஞ்சளைந்த பெருந்தனத்தாள் -யது
நாயகனைக் கொல்லும் மனத்தாள்
வஞ்சனையால் கையில் எடுத்தாள் -
மணி வண்ணன் வாய்திறந்து நகைத்தான்
பாலகிருஷ்ணன் பூதனைப் பேயின்
முலைப் பாலுடன் , அவள் ஆவியைக் குடித்தான்
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7) ஸ்ரீரஞ்சனி
கட்டின உரலை இழுத்துக் கொண்டு கண்ணன்
இரண்டு மருத மர நடுவில் தவழ்ந்தான்
வெட்டி முறித்ததுபோல் மரமிரண்டும்
வேருடன் விழ- யமனஅர்ஜுனர் பணிந்தார்
காலில் சதங்கை கொஞ்ச -முடியில் மயில்
பீலியும் ஒளி வீசத் - திருமேனி
முழுதும் புழுதியளைந்தோடி ,யசோதையின்
மேலே சாய்ந்த பாலகோபாலநன் தனை
அண்ணன் பலராமன் --"அம்மா ! இவன்
மண்ணை வாரியுண்டான் "-என்றான்.
கண்ணன் அஞ்சுவான் போல் நகர்ந்தான்
அன்னை சினந்து -'உன் வாய் திற " என்றாள்
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8) கதன குதூகலம்
மாதவன் பவள வாய் திறந்தான்
மாதா அதைக்கண்டு - கண்கள் மருண்டாள்
அண்ட சராசரங்கள் அங்கு கண்டாள்
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam

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Sharing a fine article from KALKI ( Dr.Pasupathy's blog)
http://s-pasupathy.blogspot.com/2020/01/1439-211.html
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
N.C. Vasanthakokilam, Thanthai Thaai Kattidaatha - A tribute to Mahatma Gandhi. Raga: Ragamalika
https://youtu.be/8J6TxU_wOvQ
			
			
									
									
						https://youtu.be/8J6TxU_wOvQ
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				CRama
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
The above Eppo varuvaro is not the song of Gopalakrishna Brathy. Only the pallavi and ragam is same. Different song
			
			
									
									
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
@CRama 
Thanks !
Here is the lyrics of the movie song :-
P:
eppO varuvArO endan kali tIra
sheppiya dwArakai srI parantAman
AP:
naRparuvam vandu nAtanai tEDum
poRkoDi en tuyar pOkki maNandiDa
			
			
									
									
						Thanks !
Here is the lyrics of the movie song :-
P:
eppO varuvArO endan kali tIra
sheppiya dwArakai srI parantAman
AP:
naRparuvam vandu nAtanai tEDum
poRkoDi en tuyar pOkki maNandiDa
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
In-te-resting! A poor, could I say, lazy, attempt at both lyrics and music  Music is by Govindarajulu Naidu, I see by searching). PS wrote the lyrics for many films then, and my guess is--it wouldn't have been him! Poor GKB
 Music is by Govindarajulu Naidu, I see by searching). PS wrote the lyrics for many films then, and my guess is--it wouldn't have been him! Poor GKB 
			
			
									
									
						 Music is by Govindarajulu Naidu, I see by searching). PS wrote the lyrics for many films then, and my guess is--it wouldn't have been him! Poor GKB
 Music is by Govindarajulu Naidu, I see by searching). PS wrote the lyrics for many films then, and my guess is--it wouldn't have been him! Poor GKB 
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Re: N.C. Vasanthakokilam
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enda nEram tannilum by N C Vasanthakokilum
1940 Tamil movie Chandraguptha Chanakya
https://youtu.be/QxbSo2M9BDI?t=1
Lyrics :-
P:
enda nEram tannilum avarai
shindai seidE manam nondEnE
AP:
sundaramAna swarUpa udhAranE
candra guptan ennum maharAjanE
C:
indiranai nigar vIra pradApanai
endan uLLattai kavarndiDum kaLvanai
shondamAga ennai kalandinidE sukham
santatamum tandu inbam peruga
			
			
									
									
						enda nEram tannilum by N C Vasanthakokilum
1940 Tamil movie Chandraguptha Chanakya
https://youtu.be/QxbSo2M9BDI?t=1
Lyrics :-
P:
enda nEram tannilum avarai
shindai seidE manam nondEnE
AP:
sundaramAna swarUpa udhAranE
candra guptan ennum maharAjanE
C:
indiranai nigar vIra pradApanai
endan uLLattai kavarndiDum kaLvanai
shondamAga ennai kalandinidE sukham
santatamum tandu inbam peruga