Ragas Saraswathi Manohari & Karnataka Behag ?

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 14 Nov 2007, 06:33

enthaveduko of thyagaraja is in Saraswathi Manohari & nEnedu vedakudura also of thyagaraja is in karnataka behag........is there any similarity in these two ragas or these two ragas different ??

Can rasikas discuss more details like structure etc abt these two ragas ??

mohan · Post by **mohan** » 14 Nov 2007, 08:12

Both these ragas take the same swarams (both are janya-s of Harikambhoji) but each have their own flavour.

Saraswati Manohari S R2 G3 M1 D2 S- S D2 N2 P M1 G3 R2 S
Karnataka Behag S R2 G3 M1 P D2 N2 S S N2 D2 N2 P D2 M1 G3 R2 S or
S R2 G3 M1 P D2 N2 S-S N2 D2 N2 P D2 M1 G3 R2 G3 R2 S

The obvious difference in arohana is the absence of the panchama in Saraswati Manohari. The phrase SNDNP is a characteristic phrase of Karnatka Behag.

There are not too many compositions in either raga and hence they are largely defined through the phrases in the two krithis of Thyagaraja that you have mentioned.

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 14 Nov 2007, 17:24

Mohan- Thanks for this useful info.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 14 Nov 2007, 22:46

I'd like to add

1. MD has a kriti in saraswatI manOhari too - incorporating the rAga mudre right at the opening ( saraswatI manOharI Sankari sadAnandalaharI)
2. Some pAThantaras sing nEnendu vetakudurA in harikAmbhOji

-Ramakriya

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 15 Nov 2007, 08:03

ramakriya wrote:I'd like to add

1. MD has a kriti in saraswatI manOhari too - incorporating the rAga mudre right at the opening ( saraswatI manOharI Sankari sadAnandalaharI)

One more in saraswatI manOhari: ShrI purandara by vAsudEvacAr(it's the 2nd item): http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~svasu/Re ... Pasupathi/

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 15 Nov 2007, 09:36

Please also refer to Thyagaraja Kriti - enta vEDukondu - http://thyagaraja.sulekha.com/blog/post ... avam-9.htm

vs_manjunath · Post by **vs_manjunath** » 15 Nov 2007, 11:33

kmrasika wrote:
ramakriya wrote:I'd like to add

1. MD has a kriti in saraswatI manOhari too - incorporating the rAga mudre right at the opening ( saraswatI manOharI Sankari sadAnandalaharI)
One more in saraswatI manOhari: ShrI purandara by vAsudEvacAr(it's the 2nd item): http://www.sangeethapriya.org/~svasu/Re ... Pasupathi/

kmrasika-Yes. sri purandara guruvaram is a song by Mysore Vasudevacharya on Purandara Dasa in Saraswathi Manohari. I have heard Shri RK Srikantan singing this song.