Ranjani Gayatri @ MFAC, 19-Dec-2007

Sankar K · Post by **Sankar K** » 20 Dec 2007, 11:55

Here is a partial song list from the concert

Varnam - Sri - Adi - Karur Devudu Iyer?
Ananda Natana - Kedaram - Misra Chapu - MD (S)
Manasaramadhiyanai Sivan Maganai - Saramadhi - Adi - Thanjavur Sankara Iyer
Ninne nera nammi - Pantuvarali - Rupakam - T (RNS)
An item that started emaku manaku samana - no idea what raga it was
Palimsu Kamakshi - Madyamavathi - Misra Chapu - SS (RNST)
Okapari Judaga - Kalavati - Adi - T

Started Sankarabaranam alapanai and I had to leave, courtesy Rain God

Guess I missed all the abhangs and other thukkadas and playing to the gallery too, courtesy Rain God

#3 - I am not sure what is great about TS compositions. It sounded lame to me.
#4 - that was a racy neraval & the audience just lapped it up. The alapanai sounded quite Purvikalyanish to in the intial stages.
#5 - awesome. The nereval and swarams at slow pace were extremely pleasant.

Not exactly a crowded concert. But then that may be due to the incessant rains yesterday. There were heavy bouts of rain during the 1 hour 45 mins I was there and it added an element of natural rhythm now and then.

meena · Post by **meena** » 20 Dec 2007, 12:02

evaru manaku samanam ilalo - Devagandhari - T

Sankar K · Post by **Sankar K** » 20 Dec 2007, 12:05

thanks meena. i found similarities to karuna samudhra but was not so sure about it being devagandhari.

Vocalist · Post by **Vocalist** » 20 Dec 2007, 12:27

Sankar K wrote:#3 - I am not sure what is great about TS compositions. It sounded lame to me.
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This is something that would somtimes cross my mind when his compositions were rendered by amateurs. Have you heard DKJ or MLV (his disciples for a short time) render his compositions? If not, give them a go...let us know if your impression still remains the same.

Some of his compositions are rather difficult to render effectively...although, I'm not sure if this would be one of them.

balu · Post by **balu** » 21 Dec 2007, 14:11

i really do not knowwhat is wrong in singing thukadas.some people are interested in main and some in rtp and some in thukadas.why people who like thukadas should be treated like nandanar.atleast those who are not interested in secondhalf items can walkout.but the poor thukada liking rasikas should wait twohours to listen what they want to.madurai mani gnb santhanam are famous for their thukadas.in the other discussion somebody has written.,mamis and pattis are vying with each other to give chits.what is bad about somebody wanting to listen their favourite songs. as if mamas and thathas are interested in heavy items.one interesting observation.those who are appreciated in this forum are not getting crowds and those who are crticised are getting awesome crowd.let everybody enjoy their own music

kgopin · Post by **kgopin** » 21 Dec 2007, 15:38

The post Tani list

Okapari - Kalavathi - T
RTP - Kambodhi with ragamalika Durbar, Sahana, Brindavani and Bagesri
Virutham - Ragamalika (Simhendramadhyamam, Purvikalyani,Kapi)
Aravinda Padamalar - Kapi
Bajan
Thukaram Abhang
Mangalam

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 21 Dec 2007, 17:07

balu wrote:one interesting observation.those who are appreciated in this forum are not getting crowds and those who are crticised are getting awesome crowd.let everybody enjoy their own music

You're right

... That's what's extremely disturbing... I don't think GNB or MMI rendered abhangs as TuKDAs did they? Well, even if they did, I'm positive they wouldn't have given them a stature beyond what they deserve in a CARNATIC CLASSICAL concert... And no one is saying throw TuKDAs out altogether. It's just that it isn't a healthy trend to draw heavy crowds at a CARNATIC CLASSICAL concert on the strength of post-main items... Or for that matter, adopt a strategy of spending more-than-acceptable amounts of time on items that'll ensure ppl will stay till the end of the concert... In fact, I've seen so many ppl reading film gossip in magazines while the singers sweat it out for a sAvEri or tODi while they're all ears once the chin-chak business starts. In fact even nodding they're heads vigourously... I think this is an assault on the superiority and grandeur of Carnatic. Such ppl can enjoy their own music(in your own words), but not at a CARNATIC CLASSICAL concert. They can go to a bhajan mandali or something...

Sankar K · Post by **Sankar K** » 21 Dec 2007, 17:09

Damn, I was totally off the mark with the RTP alapanai

Is it common enough to confuse S'baranam with Kambodhi?

sindhu · Post by **sindhu** » 21 Dec 2007, 17:18

Some distinct differences between Shankarabaranam and KaambOdhi - magapadaSa for KaambOdhi; padasanee(kaisiki)dapada prayOgAs.

Taara sthayis, of course, like Sa Ri Ga Ma Ga, Sa Ri Ga Ma Gaa (staying here), would only confuse.

Of course, both can be sung individually.

balu · Post by **balu** » 21 Dec 2007, 22:17

the great ms sang mithriyam bahajan with jallra.till date nobody has raised finger atit.so much for bhajans in carnatic music.apply the norms to everybody equally.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 22 Dec 2007, 00:15

Balu, Jigyaasa's point is that the art gets diluted if the focus on tukkadas increases. Popularity of pieces cannot be a yardstick for structuring a concert -aesthetic merit ought to be. Carnatic music is a sophisticated and complex art form - There is a place for tukkadas - but only 15-20 minutes towards end, maybe 30 in a 3 hour+ concert. Even these should ideally include some vrutthams, padams and tillanas.

Nothing wrong with an abhang...but if abhangs take over, CM will be gone and none of us want that. Better to have a smaller community of rasikas than to compromise on the art. Perhaps separate tukkada concerts can be arranged for those who prefer these.

Certainly nothing wring with chits though...

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 22 Dec 2007, 01:49

vijay wrote:Better to have a smaller community of rasikas than to compromise on the art.

A smaller community of rasikas could equate to - lack of CM as a viable occupation.
These artists who make CM popular play an important role in the business of CM - I'd like to think of them as a mutant form of 'loss leaders' - they bring in the flocks, and from that overall business, I would like to think that purists like Smt. Ponnammal and others can be supported.

DISCLAIMER: I have absolutely no business sense whatsoever, and should certainly not expose my ignorance here, but after years of having my chosen profession denigrated to the status of a 'loss leader' in departmental financial meetings, I would like to think of us as the Ponnammals of our profession hanging on to the coat-tails of the divisions that rake in money to even survive.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 22 Dec 2007, 15:26

That's certainly a valid point of view Ravi...but somehow I don't think it is a desire to save the art or feed the Ponnammals that causes these artists to flood their concerts with tukkadas although it may be an unanticipated benefit!