An Unfortunate Incident At A Concert - Highly Shocking

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 11 Jan 2008, 06:47

Sathayam....if Ms Lalitha was not part of the concert under discussion, then the respective posters who have dragged her into this issue, MUST post a correction with an apology. There is no point in withdrawing or removing the posts. Mere withdrawal will not assuage the feelings of the artist whose name has been used in vain. We may be rasikas, but we do not have the latitude of naming people willy nilly.

gobilalitha · Post by **gobilalitha** » 11 Jan 2008, 07:02

is nandinimuthuswamy one of the nandini,lalitha sisters? gobilalitha

sathayam · Post by **sathayam** » 11 Jan 2008, 07:24

"Sathayam....if Ms Lalitha was not part of the concert under discussion, then the respective posters who have dragged her into this issue, MUST post a correction with an apology. There is no point in withdrawing or removing the posts. Mere withdrawal will not assuage the feelings of the artist whose name has been used in vain. We may be rasikas, but we do not have the latitude of naming people willy nilly."

Excellent Sam. I totally agree with you. An apology is warranted.

rajaglan · Post by **rajaglan** » 12 Jan 2008, 10:58

Hi ,

Read the following incident- My impressions though.

There was a concert by Amjad Ali Khan in Bangalore Fort high school 2 years back. He actually made the concert pattern similar to carnatic music (Ariyakudi) format. Not exactly , but more or less like with keerthanas. He was saying that his father likes the concert based on keerthanas. So for HM vidwans playing in south this can be a good initative.

There was a surprise addition of Giridhar Udupa in that concert, a ghatam prodigy (note this is a pure HM concert , no jugalbandhi). Initially AAKhan little perturbed with the his patterns (I guess) and asked Udupa to follow the beats of tabla. I understand Udupa did that but over period of time in the concert , he excelled on that day earning accolades. Imagine the vidwat of him managing the greats of AAKhan in such a short time. But also understand Khan was magnanimous to include the ghatam in his concert though ghatam itself is the second laya instrument in CM.

But CM audience to enjoy HM is like those who have not enjoyed or used to garlic in food to start eating garlic ( or say egg). I have noted the HM audiences saying CM is too fast and are at surprise why classical music is so fast.

My own impression of HM is that the raga alapana is their fort but the ragas are not familar to us and they sound alien. When they get to swarams , it looks like HM vocal vidwans struggle to deliver. BMK and BJoshi jugal bandhis demonstrates CM is the clear winner. In instrumnetal HM , swara delivery is the best (like AAKhan).

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 12 Jan 2008, 11:53

Perhaps, but we are not talking about winners or loosers among HM or CM here.

A jugalbandi is supposed to be a conversation between related but different cultures, is it not?

Such a conversation can be challenging and beautiful, but it requires acceptance and inclusion of aspects on both sides.

kadambam · Post by **kadambam** » 12 Jan 2008, 12:21

My sincere apologies to Lalitha, if Lalitha was not part of the concert & to her sister Nandini, if this was a different Nandini. Although, i wish not to give any excuses, but the very first post of this thread had Lalitha's name in it & that caused the confusion.

When i argue for the cause of a musician that i have not seen or heard, i would be the last person to disrespect any other musician, be it CM or HM. But personally, i have noticed that SOME hindustani musicians and rasikas have a 'look-down' attitude towards CM musicians, which is totally unacceptable.

vageyakara · Post by **vageyakara** » 12 Jan 2008, 13:28

kadambam wrote:My sincere apologies to Lalitha, if Lalitha was not part of the concert & to her sister Nandini, if this was a different Nandini. Although, i wish not to give any excuses, but the very first post of this thread had Lalitha's name in it & that caused the confusion.

When i argue for the cause of a musician that i have not seen or heard, i would be the last person to disrespect any other musician, be it CM or HM. But personally, i have noticed that SOME hindustani musicians and rasikas have a 'look-down' attitude towards CM musicians, which is totally unacceptable.

I entirely agree with your sentiments Kadambam ji, At least we as true CMLovers should raise our voices so that at some point of time our concern will be echoed

ramapriya · Post by **ramapriya** » 18 Feb 2008, 12:07

Well after all no artist is greater than the Art. The fundamental need is to be sensitive to the Art and a Fellow Human Being. One would think this is the sensitivity that is to be there for an Artist to be respected and heard. The stage is a Temple of Art and being hurtful to anybody there amounts to caring less for the Atman and Paramatman. I believe this as a Philosophic view and would reather listen to a Sensitive Artist's Performance as no Artist is greater than a Respected Art.

guru1985 · Post by **guru1985** » 23 Feb 2008, 09:24

Looks like it's true...

http://lalithanandini.wordpress.com/200 ... -majumdar/

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 23 Feb 2008, 19:42

... I see some pictures, and that's all.

As to the truth of it, the thread has included eye-witness accounts --- I don't think we have ever doubted them.

guru1985 · Post by **guru1985** » 23 Feb 2008, 20:23

nick H wrote:... I see some pictures, and that's all.

As to the truth of it, the thread has included eye-witness accounts --- I don't think we have ever doubted them.

In the earlier pictures, there is a ghatam player...no ghatam player in the later pictures

guru1985 · Post by **guru1985** » 23 Feb 2008, 20:30

Beginning...

Later on...

this Romu character is an absolute disgrace to Indian Classical Music, whether it be HM or CM

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 23 Feb 2008, 21:18

No... that just means there was a change of musicians..

That often happens in mixed programes. It doesn't say anything about why or how it was done

But, like I said, I don't doubt the initial poster in this thread who was there at the time.

vaibhavam · Post by **vaibhavam** » 04 Apr 2008, 19:35

well ...just saw the post right now ..
to keep away the confusion i have read thru in the above posts ,Lailtha was not present for the recital but Nandini Muthuswamy is Lalitha's sister ...who was on stage with Ronu to give the Jugalbandhi..

Personally I didnt have much high opinion on the violinist's rendition ....

but stillI extend my sympathies for the Ghatom artist who was treated badly ....whether the issue is too much of pride among HM ..i am not bothered but an artist once on the concert stage needs to be respected for his/her art.