No TMK in December Music Season

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 18 Jun 2015, 23:25

Dear Sri. rvk,
I SINCERELY suggest YOU stay out of DISCUSSIONS OF ROHAN'S professional career as you are only poisoning the well; If you cannot resist just use one of your other aliases in this forum....I am a fan of Rohan & he is a fine gentleman. Always has been & IS WIDELY ADMIRED. YOUR intrusions as well as absurd statements actually only distract from his exceptional professionalism.....Dont attack me as shooting the messenger is a useless solution.....VKV

rvkrishnamurthy · Post by **rvkrishnamurthy** » 19 Jun 2015, 07:06

Caam
Can you be more specific. I have not willingly attacked any one. But I have enough experience with the CM world that I can write a book. But there won't be many customers! So I won't do it. Please tell me what I am doing specifically wrong. Rohan today is in a different world and CM is but a part of his profession. Please go to his website and check out his schedule.
http://www.rohanrhythm.com/schedule/

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 Jun 2015, 07:50

Well, there ought to be other wells where one can wash the linen at

Rohan is not only an accomplished artiste (from the CM and WM point of view), he teaches at a fine college. His students look up to him too, I imagine. Above all, he's a grown man--the world is his arena and he doesn't need the support (?) which a middle school kid playing the junior league needs, or may be not (to save him embarrasment?).

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 19 Jun 2015, 08:40

rvkrishnamurthy wrote:Caam
Can you be more specific. I have not willingly attacked any one. But I have enough experience with the CM world that I can write a book. But there won't be many customers! So I won't do it. Please tell me what I am doing specifically wrong. Rohan today is in a different world and CM is but a part of his profession. Please go to his website and check out his schedule.
http://www.rohanrhythm.com/schedule/

I REGULARLY FOLLOW ROHAN & HIS GREAT SUCCESSES. Along with many others we want him to succeed & reach greater heights which I am sure he will.
MY TWO CENTS WORTH SINCE YOU ASKED FOR IT: YOU shd of course let everyone know about his activities, successes etc. BUT DON'T COMBINE IT WITH CLEVELAND & YOUR OTHER ASSORTED PEEVES WHICH YOU HAVE EXPRESSED OVER THE YEARS & WHERE YOU ARE FACTUALLY WRONG. I am a professor & scientist too & your pointing it out makes you look worse.
WISHING ROHAN THE BEST & WRITE THE BOOK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.I WILL BUY 5 COPIES OF IT......VKV

rvkrishnamurthy · Post by **rvkrishnamurthy** » 19 Jun 2015, 09:06

Dear Cacm
Thanks. The topic is now going towards Rohan and not TMK!. I am interested in your profession as a professor and scientist. That is what I am. Regarding the book on CM, I am happy to know at least 5 copies will be sold!. Yesterday MagrawHill contacted me to write a text book on Isotope Mass Spectrometry for Undergraduates. That is my field. But I have a feeling that it will sell fewer copies than my book on CM. Get in touch with me privately and let us talk about our professorship. May be will find much more in common. My email is [email protected]

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 19 Jun 2015, 10:44

rvkrishnamurthy wrote: Regarding the book on CM, I am happy to know at least 5 copies will be sold!.

Contrast that with the fiction on CM, 'Soul of music ...', I heard from the author, practically an unknown chap, that it has sold 300+ copies and royalty paid to him - and that was an ebook and self-published (I think). The author is so satisfied that it is available for free also.

music1234 · Post by **music1234** » 19 Jun 2015, 11:21

Why is the Admin not reprimanding or banning CACM / rvkrishnamurthy / HarimaU

for personal attacks

I guess a decent amount of decorum should be maintained in a public forum.

Admin - In case you are sleeping still

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 19 Jun 2015, 20:21

Still, won't trade places with them--particularly when they are getting their forty winks after exerting vigil...

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 19 Jun 2015, 23:21

What is wrong with you people? This borders on some kind of bullying. I don't see anything wrong with any of Sri RVK's posts.

It is not even funny anymore.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 20 Jun 2015, 03:46

It wasn't funny ten or more years ago. Now, I think maybe laughter is the only answer.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 20 Jun 2015, 04:26

True. The best we can try is to humor ourselves?

Too much of 'to do' for admin, moderators, and even we are left tired?

VVSuresh, you have not been looking in much the past few weeks, I guess. That's what makes you ask. No wonder, the new member has no clue at all about the background to all that is said...

rvkrishnamurthy · Post by **rvkrishnamurthy** » 20 Jun 2015, 07:26

Some of the posters think I am against Cleveland. Far from it. I have been associated with them for more than a decade and I salute Sundaram for whatever he is doing. I used to meet him every year in Chennai and have had great discussions. Mr Sundaram also has high opinions about Rohan and he used to attend many of Rohan's concerts in December in Chennai. That is not the issue. My feeling is Cleveland Aradhana has fallen into wrong hands where they want to run it as a corporate body, without the necessary managerial skills. I don't want to name who is doing it but I am sure many know. So stop attacking me as a rebel against Cleveland. That is not the intention at all. The pity is Mr sundaram is out of control and others are handling the event and the sooner he realizes it, the better it is,
Prof Krishnamurthy

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 20 Jun 2015, 08:14

IMO total deviation from the present thread. These things can be separately discussed under a different topic. Reminds me Thiruvalluvar's saying regarding the duty of the father to his son . Let us freely express our views without hurting anybody's feeling.
Thanjavooran
20 06 20015

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 20 Jun 2015, 09:23

I am reminded of the UN resolutions for peace.
This war of words is not that hazardous. Let it run its course.
Peace lovers can skip.
Much of it is of course neither about music nor touching its enjoyment (rasikas.org), but life will be uninteresting if it does not have the frills and purposelessness.
I used to enjoy talks that stray interestingly rather than being cruelly riveted on a serious subject.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 20 Jun 2015, 09:30

rvkrishnamurthy wrote:Some of the posters think I am against Cleveland. Far from it. I have been associated with them for more than a decade and I salute Sundaram for whatever he is doing. I used to meet him every year in Chennai and have had great discussions. Mr Sundaram also has high opinions about Rohan and he used to attend many of Rohan's concerts in December in Chennai. That is not the issue. My feeling is Cleveland Aradhana has fallen into wrong hands where they want to run it as a corporate body, without the necessary managerial skills. I don't want to name who is doing it but I am sure many know. So stop attacking me as a rebel against Cleveland. That is not the intention at all. The pity is Mr sundaram is out of control and others are handling the event and the sooner he realizes it, the better it is,
Prof Krishnamurthy

I am a member of the committee & know QUITE A LOT about whats happening. I have been involved from day 1 of the aradhana. What you have written about CLEVELAND ARADHANA IS TOTALLY& FACTUALLY WRONG. SO DONT LET YOUR CREDIBILITY REACH EVEN LOWER LEVELS-IF THAT IS POSSIBLE- VKV

thaaye · Post by **thaaye** » 20 Jun 2015, 11:04

9. Musicians who have a foot here and in the US also play their part in creating opportunities for their NRI students
10. money is paid, reviews are planted in newspapers

I'm curious: Has TMK not had a foot in Chennai and the US and created opportunities for his students including NRIs? Has he not planted reviews in papers, at least initially?

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 20 Jun 2015, 11:12

It is interesting how there is a mellowing and conciliatory tone once the hidden agenda is addressed, giving ‘textual’ evidence to Harimau’s theory. What I do not understand is if Cleveland founder is so intimate as professed, why this issue will be raised and the organization berated in a third party forum. I do not also understand how that part of the post is reasonable. Or, how it is relevant for Dec. season of Chennai.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 20 Jun 2015, 14:24

rvkrishnamurthy wrote:Harimau
I don't know where you are from. But US and India are free countries where every one is free to say what they want. So you are.
Rohan has performed with TMK on few occasions and especially their concert at Bharat Kalachar years ago(December season) resulted in a rave review in Kalki with the head lines "arasarai venrta ilavarsar" . The "ilavarsar" of course was Rohan. The Arasar was the canteen chef "arasuvai arasar" who had refused to set up shop in Music Academy and chose Bharat Kalachar that year. The review glorified Rohan and the khnajira player Purushothman more than the "main" artist and the violinist. That doesn't mean TMK did not perform well. In a way Rohan's performances at Bharat Kalachar with TMK, Ravikiran and Sowmya is what led to his receiving the Yuva Kalabahrathy award when he was barely 15.Any way that is history
In any case Rohan is now fully engaged with collaborations with world leaders in percussion, working 12 hours a day, and I suspect he will come in next when TMK or I get out (batting on the same side, remember?), as far as the Season is concerned.

Perhaps your rant against NRI money talking loud in Chennai is motivated by the possibility that Sabha secretaries demanded payments from a certain NRI mridangam artist for various reasons.

Let me say only one thing: people in Chennai love to talk and it is not out of the question at all for me to find out how much money changed hands for what favours.

Discretion, as they say, is the better part of valor. In this case, discretion may mean discreet silence or at least less stridency in your utterances.

All the best to Rohan. May he collaborate with world leaders in percussion on bongo drums and other such instruments and perhaps we will see those resulting in CDs that sell in the millions, leading to platinum records, etc.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 20 Jun 2015, 14:56

All the best to Rohan. May he collaborate with world leaders in percussion on bongo drums and other such instruments and perhaps we will see those resulting in CDs that sell in the millions, leading to platinum records, etc.

No shame in that. I don't understand the attitude that says that carnatic musicians have to be aesthetics who should neither earn good money nor enjoy its fruits. (Harimau, I'm not saying that you think like that).

Quite why we are suddenly talking about Rohan here I don't understand (Oh, wait... the PR machine... yes, I do understand) but I too only wish him well in his music, in whatever genres he chooses to play, whether related to CM or not. I'm sure he can do a lot better than the add-a-drum-machine [con]fusion that still haunts Chennai.

Perhaps your rant against NRI money talking loud in Chennai is motivated by the possibility that Sabha secretaries demanded payments from a certain NRI mridangam artist for various reasons.

It is known, is it not, that certain sabhas rent out their stage time? Perhaps we could discuss elsewhere whether or not there is actually anything wrong with that? Concerts sponsored by silk stores and banks, or concerts sponsored by... those playing in them. As audience, we still have the freedom to attend or not.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 20 Jun 2015, 19:34

This topic has taken a different turn discussing others except TMK and music.I would like to point out the positive chemistry exhibited by Sri Sanjay in his The Hindu article regarding Rasikas and also Chennai Music season.This is in contrast to the negative sentiments of Sri TMK regarding Chennai music season and may be rasikas also.
GOLDEN WORDS OF SANJAY- Rasikas are doing a favor to him/may be any artist by listening to his/her music.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 20 Jun 2015, 22:15

kvchellappa wrote:It is interesting how there is a mellowing and conciliatory tone once the hidden agenda is addressed, giving ‘textual’ evidence to Harimau’s theory. What I do not understand is if Cleveland founder is so intimate as professed, why this issue will be raised and the organization berated in a third party forum. I do not also understand how that part of the post is reasonable. Or, how it is relevant for Dec. season of Chennai.

IT has to do with PERCEIVED INJUSTICES. I VOLUNTEERED to be the person to Answer things written about CLEVELAND FESTIVAL in this forum & have been doing so for more than 10 years now. I have written here, emailed , given speeches, persuaded VVS to himself to appear& subject himself to ANY LEVEL OF QUESTIONING. The problem here is DIFFERENT: It has to do with somebody's son not getting PROPER RECOGNITION & trying to use this forum to bully the Aradhana committee (close to 20) to rectify perceived injustices. IT WILL NOT WORK AS 20 VOLUNTEERS VOTE THEIR JUDGEMENTS.
VVS has far BETTER THINGS TO DO. He has to raise close to 250,000 U.S.Dollars every year & SPEND HIS TIME INITIATING, DOING USEFUL& INNOVATIVE IMPLEMETATIONS. As a matter of fact after involving him in this process FOR SEVERAL YEARS I said I will be the "BAD GUY" in this forum & am doing at least the negative part PROPERLY ! (I HOPE). I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION ITS A WASTE OF TIME. BUT STILL DOING A POOR JOB OF IT.....VKV
I FEEL the suggestions from members here on how to structure& implement contents ARE MORE USEFUL WAYS OF SPENDING EVERYONE'S TIME. I had requested suggestions on how to properly celebrate M.S.Amma's Centenary in next year's Cleveland Festival (March14-end of month) as well as ARI'S 125TH CELEBRATIONS. Still open to SUGGESTIONS but cannot PROMISE they will be implemented. Believe me EVERY SUGGESTION IS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED & IMPLEMENTED IF THE COMMITTEE MAJORITY VOTES FOR IT.....VKV

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 20 Jun 2015, 22:47

(I will work on moving Cleveland related discussions to another thread). TMK is discussed in threads that do not have anything to do with TMK. Funny Cleveland does a one up by inserting itself into a TMK thread.

btw, the sense I get from talking to people is that there is an overwhelming positive attitude to Cleveland Aradhana. I would put that in the high nineties ( based on my small sample of course ). People spend real money, and a non-trivial amount of it, of their own free will to attend Cleveland. On the one hand that shows how well it is regarded, how useful it is and what kind of a network effect it has produced for the world of CM. On the other hand, a lot of these folks who attend the aradhana are not meek and I am sure the committee hears a lot of feedback. And VKV actively solicits feedback here in this forum.

(there is a big unpleasant past about this matter of course but let us try to turn the corner and take a new path), RK, we will assume that you sincerely mean every word you wrote above. If your main complaint now is that Aradhana is being run as a big enterprise by people without managerial skills, that is fine. Please take it offline and write a letter to VKV and others what the issues are and what you recommend to them. If your main and only interest is that, it is much better accomplished that way. Let us not harp on that in this forum.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 21 Jun 2015, 00:26

DEAR Vasanthakokilam,
THANKS. YOU are a good moderator & I AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS. I only RESPOND because if it is not done it APPEARS there is agreement with whatever is said....VKV

rvkrishnamurthy · Post by **rvkrishnamurthy** » 21 Jun 2015, 06:28

It is indeed veering away from TMK's shenanigans. At the same time I wish to declare how much I have enjoyed working with the "original" Cleveland people a la VVS, Balu etc. But my point now, as corroborated by many people who have confided privately to me, is that the whole affair is being handled by people, in terms of scheduling, in terms or arranging the programs, in terms of arranging cruises etc that VVS and Balu are just onlookers. That should end. These gentlemen have done a great job for several years and they should be in charge. Any way, I will be gone on as assignment at the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna and may or may not visit this site.
Thanks for all your inputs.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 21 Jun 2015, 07:50

Ah,Vienna! A place I have wanted to visit but haven't, in all these years.

More of a musical city than Chennai in that much of the western classical music was/is performed--and was born there!
Hope that along with your occupation with science, you will also hear quite a bit of music.
Have a good trip

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 21 Jun 2015, 14:00

Clearly, T M K heard about the selection of this year's Sangeetha Kalanidhi ahead of all of us and decided to boycott the sabhas!

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 21 Jun 2015, 14:39

Harimau Thinks ahead of all people in the forum and can read in between the lines.Perhaps the conclusion may not be in correct!

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 21 Jun 2015, 14:58

It is a joke. TMK is above that. As an individual he stands for truth and principles. He has written twice about Sanjay, a legend in his own time. TMK will be offered the award in future if he takes it.

rupavathi · Post by **rupavathi** » 21 Jun 2015, 15:24

kvchellappa wrote:TMK is above that. As an individual he stands for truth and principles...

God bless your innocence, my dear sir!

shanks · Post by **shanks** » 21 Jun 2015, 16:44

Well, you now have the potential for TMK pulling off the Lalgudi trick of refusing the honor because the other person was awarded first

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 21 Jun 2015, 16:49

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 21 Jun 2015, 17:00

Here you go, Ego!
Wherever I go, you go
Go away Ego? Go?

No! You go from me,
Me, Ego that is...GO!

Go? Where? From you?
Shadow, Ego, you go, GO!

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 21 Jun 2015, 17:05

Now now, one should probably read LGJ's biography and the circumstances (including repeated humiliations behind the scenes) and one very ugly incident that happened around the time which led to him refusing it.

On a side note, I must bring to the attention of music lovers my concerns that the gossip industry is causing far too much environmental pollution in the 21st century and it's impact on one's health hasn't been accurately diagnosed to this day. It's a significant source of toxic waste of a kind neither recognized nor addressed in the UN summits on climate change and there are no properly defined emission standards.

vgovindan · Post by **vgovindan** » 21 Jun 2015, 17:10

Ego! Ye go!
I go when Ye go.

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 21 Jun 2015, 18:35

harimau wrote:Clearly, T M K heard about the selection of this year's Sangeetha Kalanidhi ahead of all of us and decided to boycott the sabhas!

acche din has just begun for music

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 21 Jun 2015, 21:08

rvkrishnamurthy wrote:It is indeed veering away from TMK's shenanigans. At the same time I wish to declare how much I have enjoyed working with the "original" Cleveland people a la VVS, Balu etc. But my point now, as corroborated by many people who have confided privately to me, is that the whole affair is being handled by people, in terms of scheduling, in terms or arranging the programs, in terms of arranging cruises etc that VVS and Balu are just onlookers. That should end. These gentlemen have done a great job for several years and they should be in charge. Any way, I will be gone on as assignment at the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna and may or may not visit this site.
Thanks for all your inputs.

Dear RVK,
I JUST want to point out that (to my knowledge) the core Committte runnning the Cleveland Aradhana ( Cleveland Balu, Cleveland V.V.Sundaram, Periya Gomathi Balu,& Toronto Venkataraman --all office bearers of Bhairavi) HAS NOT CHANGED IN CLOSE TO FORTY YEARS ever since TWO OFFICE BEARERS (ONE A FAMOUS PERSON & ORGANISER CURRENTLY LIVING IN TEXAS WHO WAS FIRED)- left. I MYSELF decided after the second metamorphasis of the EAST-WEST EXCHANGE when it became Bharavi not to be part of any organisation till I was requested to become a member of the Committee a few years back. OFFICIALLY The Aradhana itself is run with a committee (which depends on ACTIVE VOLUNTEERS & AREAS OF CURRENT INTEREST) which varies in number. I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY OTHER ORGANISATION WHERE THE OFFICE BEARERS HAVE NOT CHANGED IN AT LEAST 40 YEARS!
The wrinkle by which I became Committee Member was when we needed ADDITIONS WAS THE EXPERT (GOOD & DEDICATED) WIFE-HUSBAND TEAM OF JAYA& ROGER NATARAJAN BECAME TREASURER- HE IS SO REPUTABLE& FAMOUS HE HAS WORKED WITH THE FAMOUS WELCH OF G.E.! AND I was asked to become one too with ASSIGNMENTS which VARY DEPENDING ON THE CAPABILITIES & NEEDS. ANY ONE who has run a NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANISATION will be aware of the VERY STRICT RULES AS WELL AS AUDITS ETC IN THIS COUNTRY. There are other members who I am not talking about as I consider this whole affair a WASTE OF TIME!
I did not wish to get into an ETERNAL AS WELL AS INCORRECT DISCUSSIONS WITH NOT TOO KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON LIKE YOU ON THIS MATTER. Now that you are claiming to go to EUROPE etc I am writing this in the hope that you as well other SIMILAR persons will hopefully at least reduce the propagation of WRONG information. INSTEAD SPEND YOUR TIME ON CONSTRUCTIVE THINGS.......
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I WILL ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.........VKV

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 21 Jun 2015, 21:55

pattamaa wrote: acche din has just begun for music

Nalla Kaalam varugudu dugu dugu.

kunthalavarali · Post by **kunthalavarali** » 21 Jun 2015, 22:32

Arasi wrote "Ah,Vienna!"
I was fortunate to have visited that city and lived in its so called twin Prague, where the streets and bridges on vltava river buzz with classical music. Young and old playing violin and cello mellifluously at nook and corner of the city! Pražské jaro (Spring in Prague) is a well conducted annual music festival in May. May is so beautiful that the month itself is called květen in czech language meaning flower or blossom. The music festival adds much to it. Concerts, ticketed and free, are held all over the city. And talking of tradition the premier concerts at the national music hall would always begin with Smetana's Ma vlast (my homeland) and end with Beethoven's ninth symphony. Shall we call it tradition within a tradition?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Jun 2015, 01:12

Thanks Kunthalavarali, for a descriptive, doubled delight

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 22 Jun 2015, 09:57

Another interview for mumbai mirror

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/others/sund ... 750482.cms

Punch lines

I am aware of that; I know and recognise that I'm a contrarian; I'm loud, blunt, problematic. People perceived me as someone who rejects the norm. I know there is a battle to be fought but I know I will figure it out. Like I said before, I have some ideas; they are forming in my head. And for all you know, I may just quietly whisper into someone's ears and allow them to implement it without my name being part of the idea itself. Who knows?

Interesting!

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Jun 2015, 10:16

Thanks for the post. It is an honest expression of his position and jokes apart, I am convinced it has nothing to do with SK. That he is agitated inside comes through, but to me whether he sings free or for a fee, my expectation is the same. I look for music without the noise he makes.

prabuddha · Post by **prabuddha** » 22 Jun 2015, 20:35

There's a long interview with him in the Indian Express. This might give a clue to Sri TMK's thought process. But it's not an extremely insightful interview, I think. Maybe the interviewer does not know much about karnataka sangeetham.

http://indianexpress.com/article/lifest ... /#comments

My 2c.

prabuddha · Post by **prabuddha** » 22 Jun 2015, 20:42

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Jun 2015, 20:56

Thanks.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 08:31

I loved Shakespeare's Hamlet and the issue whether Hamlet was mad or acted as mad. That issue has been debated by critics interestingly. I liked Dover Wilson's analysis. He says that Hamlet tottered on seeing the world of cunning and avarice totally different from what he learnt in school (there are more things..than are dreamt of..). Then when he sees that others take him for mad, he acts it to suit his purpose.
TMK is not mad, but he has a measure of instability; he acts impulsively often, but considers that his impulse issues from superior knowledge. From that position, there is nowhere to travel. He says that insincerity and dishonesty is replete in India. Obviously, he is watching from above untouched by the earth. If one does not believe in the basic goodness of persons, nothing worthwhile can ever be achieved. When we assume that others are insincere, what incentive is there for them to be sincere?
All that he has done, 'a rebel without a cause.' is from a state of that certainty of conviction, which is untenable in a world that is complex and changing, in a heady cocktail with uncertainty of the self. There is absolutely no issue if he finds ARI format suffocating for him, but despite his saying that he does not want to sabotage it, his action follows from a rebellion that is pathological. But, his love of music and its mastery is none the less.
Contradictions abound in his stances, but his words and actions are not the result of a scheme or a hidden agenda.
I would be the last person to believe that he quit the season because his 'rival' got there ahead. I have not seen any sign that he is frustrated personally.
As I said once before, he is in extended teens.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 24 Jun 2015, 08:38

he is in extended teens

Sometimes, he does seem like a spoilt and pampered rich kid.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 24 Jun 2015, 08:42

Kvc, that is an incredibly fair characterization. If that is the basis on which we can honestly debate the issues he brings forth or the issues that surround him, we will be better off and there is even a chance we can even get clarity and advancement of ideas

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:14

kvchellappa wrote:I loved Shakespeare's Hamlet and the issue whether Hamlet was mad or acted as mad. That issue has been debated by critics interestingly. I liked Dover Wilson's analysis. He says that Hamlet tottered on seeing the world of cunning and avarice totally different from what he learnt in school (there are more things..than are dreamt of..). Then when he sees that others take him for mad, he acts it to suit his purpose.
TMK is not mad, but he has a measure of instability; ......

Yes, The Mad Prince of Mylapore!

Maybe we can get S Ve Sekhar to write and stage a play with that title!

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 26 Jun 2015, 10:28

kvchellappa wrote: If one does not believe in the basic goodness of persons, nothing worthwhile can ever be achieved. When we assume that others are insincere, what incentive is there for them to be sincere?

Great lines! Congratulations.

vgovindan · Post by **vgovindan** » 27 Jun 2015, 18:00

Sincerity is a trait (dharma) imbibed for one's sake and not for others. We do not need incentive to be sincere. The two corner-stones of our civilisation are - satyam vada, dharmam cara.