Thyagaraja (Krithis)

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 07 May 2007, 08:03

Cool! Never heard her before.

Such a pity isnt ?

For a Major part of a DD program, she sings only one composition ..that of GNB.Just tinkering with the Video , a bit.will upload.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 07 May 2007, 13:07

arasi,

The charaNam starting with gnAnamuthO

The version which you have given is what I also posted in our wiki after comparing books. Please refer to - http://www.rasikas.org/wiki/haridasulu-vedulu

vijayagopal · Post by **vijayagopal** » 07 May 2007, 14:24

I am very clear about what I said.
Tyagaraja went on composing songs only to be sung by himself.
He never was picky and choosy about words to suit the situation.
Some of his expressions run on his own rules.
" sudurAsa mAnpaga lEni" comes to my mind.
Can DurAsa be qualified as something good?
He sang it thus. We take it thus.

I am only an enthusiast. Not an expert.
If I am wrong, I am wrong!

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 07 May 2007, 16:53

sudurAcAra mfn. very ill-conducted , very badly behaved or wicked , a profligate W.
sudurAdharSa mf(%{A})n. quite intolerable Hariv. ; very hard to get at , unattainable R.
sudurAruha mfn. very hard to be ascended , inaccessible W.
sudurAsada mfn. very hard to be got at , unapproachable to (gen.) R.
sudurAvarta mfn. very hard to be dissuaded or convinced MBh.
sudurbala mfn. very weak or faint MBh.
sudurbhaga mf(%{A})n. very unfortunate BhP.
sudurbhida mfn. very dÃ±difficult to be split or broken MBh.
sudurbuddhi mfn. very foolish or stupid ib.
sudurdarza mfn. very dÃ±difficult to be discerned or seen or observed , unpleasant or intolerable to the eye R. Sch.
sudurdharSa mfn. very dÃ±difficult to be approached or attacked , intangible MBh.
http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche
All those lexicographers must be wrong!

vijayagopal · Post by **vijayagopal** » 08 May 2007, 09:30

vgvindan wrote:[All those lexicographers must be wrong!

I never said it is wrong.
I only said it is uncommon.
Kindly dont make such comments as above.
I already accepted I am wrong.
Kindly have patience for small fries like me.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 08 May 2007, 13:26

vijay,

Kindly dont make such comments as above

Sorry, if I hurt your sentiments. I did not mean any disrespect to you.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 14 May 2007, 19:57

Thyagaraja Kritis are considered equivalent to upaniShads. One such example is the kRti 'kanna taNDri' - dEva manOhari - posted to day -
http://www.rasikas.org/wiki/kannatandri-na-pai

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 14 May 2007, 20:53

vgvindan wrote:Thyagaraja Kritis are considered equivalent to upaniShads.

I dont mean to disrespect - but can you please elobarate as to who considers them equivalent to upaniShads and what this means i.e. why so? Would this apply to other saint composers (say purandaradasa, bhadrachalam ramadasa, dikshitar, Syama Sastry etc.) who have all said similar things (i mean not this krithi)?

My question is mainly that I thought upanishads are placed (by hindu philosophers) even higher than the gIta.

Arun

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 14 May 2007, 21:16

kRSNa said - sambhavAmi yugE yugE. If we think that the Hindu religion or Hindu society has come to virtual stop after vEdas and upaniSads, Rama and kRSNa, we are sadly mistaken.

Every one these great people who have blessed this Earth (including those whom you have mentioned in your post) after the period of vEdas and upaniShads and Rama and kRSNa are also the incarnation of the Lord only. There is a sanksrit quote 'brahmavid brahmaiva bhavati' - The 'knower' of brahman becomes brahman Himself. Therefore, all the teachings of these great people are also upaniShads; in fact, that is how 'dharma' is re-established - 'dharma samsthApanArthAya sambhavAmi yugE yugE'.

These persons re-established the dharma, interpreting the great works in ordinary terms. Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's parables are the examples of how most difficult-to-comprehend truths are explained in most lucid and common language.

If you happen to hear the discourse of one of most eminent harikatha exponent Shri TS Balakrishna Sastrigal, in his Thyagaraja Ramayanam, he says 'Thyagaraja kritis are considered equivalent to Upanishads'.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 14 May 2007, 21:18

arunk wrote:Would this apply to other saint composers (say purandaradasa, bhadrachalam ramadasa, dikshitar, Syama Sastry etc.) who have all said similar things (i mean not this krithi)?

I can tell you that purandaradAsa's works are celebrated and venerated as purandarOpaniShat. This came from his guru itself IIRC

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 14 May 2007, 21:19

thanks vgv - very nicely put!

Arun

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 15 May 2007, 05:54

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wjmv7c
Vijayanagaram Vardhini

a few pointers here, perhaps
haridAsulu vEDalE yamunAkalyANi

More tracks from this later.Absolutely stunning singer.

Stunning singer all right! She sings chhAyA ranjani with grit and determination; it takes proper practice to get the correct sthAna for the ga note on the descent. How much sAdhaka she must have put in.

vijayagopal · Post by **vijayagopal** » 15 May 2007, 15:13

sadhana is the practice. sadhaka is the one who does it.

Music · Post by **Music** » 15 May 2007, 21:20

We also use the term 'sadhakam' for practice (the act of doing Sadhana). Wonder if that is what kmrasika meant.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 16 May 2007, 23:00

tyAgarAja kRti 'kRpAlavAla' - nAda varAngiNi has been posted in our wiki -
http://www.rasikas.org/wiki/kripalavala-kaladhara

This kRti deals with the temptations of siddhis for those on the path of liberation. This has been dealt with along with references.

I invite your comments.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 18 May 2007, 18:14

tyAgarAja kRti 'Sri mAninI manOhara' rAga pUrNa ShaDjam has been posted in our wiki - http://www.rasikas.org/wiki/srimanini-manohara

In this kRti Sri tyAgarAja discusses sArUpya vs sAyujya (mOkSha). Necessary reference materials and quotes have been provided.

I invite your comments

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 21 May 2007, 21:20

In the tyAgarAja kRti 'sari jEsi vEDuka' rAga tIvra vAhini Sri tyAgarAja states -

kokka zAstra vidulu nara sannuticE
goppa bahumatul(a)nandedar(a)yya
cakkagAnu bhakti zAstra vidula
cAla gani navvedaru tyAgarAja vinuta

Experts in the treatise of sex not only reap great rewards by praising well other humans, but also deride much those great devotees of Lord.

I was trying to find an example for this. Here it is -
http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=49139#p49139

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 22 May 2007, 08:16

vgvindan wrote:tyAgarAja kRti 'Sri mAninI manOhara' rAga pUrNa ShaDjam has been posted in our wiki - http://www.rasikas.org/wiki/srimanini-manohara

Does anyone have an audio clip of this kriti? It sounds almost like gaNanAyakam of MD.

Music wrote:We also use the term 'sadhakam' for practice (the act of doing Sadhana). Wonder if that is what kmrasika meant.

Yes, this is what I meant.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 22 May 2007, 09:18

Sri mAninI manOhara' rAga pUrNa ShaDjam
Does anyone have an audio clip of this kriti?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jonbn6
ramnad-tnk-uks

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 23 May 2007, 08:47

Thank you coolkarniji!

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 11 Jun 2007, 10:02

In the tyAgarAja kRti 'bhaja rAmam satatam' - rAga husEni, the following wordings occur -
'yama purArAti lAbham' - (yama pura arAti lAbham) (caraNa 4).

This kRti is in praise of Lord rAma (viSNu) and is completely in Sanskrit.
In the books 'purArAti' - has been taken to mean 'Lord Siva' which is correct. In the book of TKG, the whole epithet has been translated as 'One who prevailed as God of Death and destroyed the three rAkShasas who were roaming about in their flying fortresses and caused untold misery to dEvas and sages'.

During tripura samhAra, viSNu becomes the point of the arrow of the bow (pAzupata) which killed the three demons. Please refer to mahAbhArata â€“ karNa parva â€“ Sections 34â€“ http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08034.htm

Therefore, the translation given in the book of TKG might be correct that viSNu became yama in the form of point of arrow of the bow of Lord ziva.

However, I find it difficult to give appropriate meaning to the word 'lAbham' and also connect 'yama' to the epithet.
Can those knowledgeable in Sanskrit comment please?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 11 Jun 2007, 16:35

VGV
yama +ArAti and pura +ArAti have been combined as one word yamapurArAti (like SrIbhUvallabha). The ArAti applies individually to the 2 words. So it is ISvara as the vanquisher of yama as well as the tripura.

lAbha also has the meaning of conquest/capture/perception/knowledge. So Here rAma is extolled as Him who has won over/understood Isvara.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 11 Jun 2007, 17:15

drs,
Thank you very much for the clarification.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 25 Jun 2007, 02:40

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2007/06/22/stor ... 100500.htm

[quote]The event, sponsored by Nalli Kuppusami Chetti, was attended by few of the contemporary musicians. â€˜â€™Sad,â€

pgaiyar · Post by **pgaiyar** » 25 Jun 2007, 09:28

25-6-7

Dear Shri. Coolkarni sir:

I am sorry to pester you again. Please upload the following when you are free:

Srimanini (Poornashadjam) by Ramnad Krishnan with TNK-UKS

God bless you/family

Regards

Aiyar

pgaiyar · Post by **pgaiyar** » 03 Jul 2007, 08:17

Dear Mr. Coolkarni sir, Please Srimanini by Ramnad Krishnan when you are free. God bless you and your family.

P. G. Aiyar

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 07 Jul 2007, 06:55

Here it is:
http://rapidshare.com/files/41458406/Sr ... m.mp3.html

pgaiyar · Post by **pgaiyar** » 09 Jul 2007, 07:41

To : kmrasika

Many thanks for the Ramnad Krishnan, 'Srimanini' upload which I have downloaded here. God bless you and your family.

Regards

P. G. Aiyar
09-07-2007

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 16 Jul 2007, 16:45

In the kRti rAmuni maravakavE - rAga kEdAragauLa, caraNa 8 is as under -

SObhanaduni girijA bAhuni duritEbha haruni bahu prabhAvuni sItA (rAmuni)

I have doubt about the words girijA bAhuni duritEbha haruni. In the book of TKG, this has been translated as He is like a lion to the sin of elephant; in the book of TSV/AKG, this has been translated as Brother of Parvathi.

IMHO, girijA bAha and duritEbha hara are two epithets. Therefore, in both these books, one of the epithets have been left out.

As girija - pArvati is the sister of rAma, the word bAha would stand for 'brother'. However, no such word is found in Sanskrit or Telugu Dictionaries. In the Urdu dictionary 'bAzu' (derived by Sanskrit 'bAhu) has a figurative meaning 'brother'.

http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philol ... splay=utf8

The Sanskrit word for 'sister' is 'bhagini' - 'behan' (Hindi)

duritEbha haruni has been translated as 'one who removes (relieves) elephantine sins.

Any suggestions about girijA bAha?

shishya · Post by **shishya** » 16 Jul 2007, 19:53

vgvingan,

bAhujuDu means kshatriya (one born from arms/shoulders). It can also be interpreted as a strong person. girijA bAhuDu (assuming bAhuDu is a vikRti of bAhujuDu) can be thus interpreted as the savior of pArvati (savior in the sense of helping her by getting Shava out of trouble). This could be the interpretation.

What does SObhanaduni mean?

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 16 Jul 2007, 20:48

Sobhana+da - One who bestows auspiciousness - Please see dictionary meaning.

sobhanamu sobhana-mu. adj. Auspicious, propitious; shining; handsome. mangalamaina, prakasamanamaina, andamaina. n. Happiness, good fortune.

I doubt whether bAhuDu is the vikRti of bAhujuDu and that word also having a secondary meaning.
I shall await more suggestions or leave it as 'brother' so that at some later date, we may be able to compare original versions and find the correct word.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 22 Jul 2007, 10:51

What are these 'newly discovered' kritIs?

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2007/07/20/stor ... 950300.htm

meena · Post by **meena** » 22 Jul 2007, 11:13

shankar

Sree Nedunuri Krishnamurty has brought out "some new unheard kritis of sree T".

In the inlay card of his CD he says "Certain rare compositions (hitherto not in print form in existing books, or not in vogue in musical form) of Tyagaraja were procured from 'Madurai Saurashtra Sabha Granthalayam' by Acharya Veturi Anandamurti and Vidvan Akella Mallikarjuna Sharma. Those pure lyrics with just 'raga' and 'tala' indication alone were sent to me for setting it to music. I revived them humbly, as the blessings of Sangita Jagadguru Shri Tyagaraja Svami himself and started the pious endeavor with dedication and devotion"

kritis are:

dhana suta taruNi. rAgA: kamalAmanOhari. Adi tALA
hari hariyanukOvE. rAgA: kAmavardhani. Adi tALA.
kAkarla vamsha (mangaLam). rAgA: suraTi. cApu tALA.
kaNTakulanu. rAgA: sAvEri. cApu tALA
kaNTakulanu. rAgA: sAvEri. cApu tALA.
karuNa jUDu. rAgA: kalyANi. Adi tALA
lAli yugavayyA. rAgA: kEdAragauLa. rUpaka tALA.
mutyAla cavikelO. rAgA: hamIrkalyANi. k/cApu tALA.
mutyAla cavikelO. rAgA: hamIrkalyANi. k/cApu tALA.
pAhi parama dayALO. rAgA: kApi. Adi tALA.
sItA lakSmaNa. rAgA: aThANA. Adi tALA
uNDi Emi. rAgA: yadukulakAmbhOji. Adi tALA.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 22 Jul 2007, 11:23

Thanks, Meena!

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 22 Jul 2007, 11:44

srkris,
Of these, 'pAhi parama dayALO' - kApi is available in the books referred to by me and is already posted in our wiki.
There seems to be some duplicate entries.

Are the lyrics of other kRtis available?
Would you like to get these incorporated in our wiki? If so, if I can get the lyrics, I can post the translation also.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 22 Jul 2007, 16:33

Here they are:

dhana suta taruNi. rAgA: kamalAmanOhari. Adi tALA.

P: dhana suta taruNi parijana saukhyamu dabbararA rAmA
A: anayamu bettapu debbalabbagA ara nimiSamu gAka
C1: iccina dhanamulu vaccEdAka ciccuvEre lEdu
2: muccu koDuku pancI yaNTE taNDriki munigina duhkamurA
3: kulasati parula jUcunO yani kOpamu galgunurA
4: vaccina bandhuvulaku dayalEka vArtalADitE vetarA
5: rAjasannuti sEyaka tyAgarAja nutuni delisi bratukAga

hari hariyanukOvE. rAgA: kAmavardhani. Adi tALA.

P: hari hariyanukOvE nI hrdayArtulella tolagajEyu trOve
C1: pantamu lIDEru I jagamanta shrI hariyanucunu palumAru
2: bhEdamu tOcadurA sadguru pAdamandu buddhi kudura jEsurA
3: rAjamArgamurA tyAgarAju pUjincE bratuku trOvarA

kAkarla vamsha (mangaLam). rAgA: suraTi. cApu tALA.

1: kAkarla vamsha sambhUta rAma brahma sutAyatE
shAntAmbA garbha sambhUta tyAgarAjAya mangaLam
2: kAvEri tIra vO AsAya kali kalmaSa nAshinE
gAna shAstra pravINAya tyAgarAjAya mangaLam
3: shrImat pancanada kSEtrE nityavAsAya yOginE
sAkEtAdhipa bhaktAya tyAgarAjAya mangaLam
4: sangIta shAstra malODya krti kIrtana kariNE
kalau vAlmIki rUpAya tyAgarAjAya mangaLam
5: sulabhOpAya mArgENa mOkSa sArAjya dAyinE
bhakti prapatti sidhAya tyAgarAjAya mangaLam

kaNTakulanu. rAgA: sAvEri. cApu tALA.

P: kaNTakulanu nammanEranurA mukkaNTi sannuta shrI rAma
puNTi vaNTi dAsavenTa tIrcETaTuvaNTi daivamu nIviTa nuNDaganE
C1: AshalacEta dhanEshula gAcina gAsi cAlunu vrddhshalu jUpE
2: rAja dasharatha rAja suputra rAjamA tyAgarAja sumitra
3: Agatajana pOSaNAgama sancAra tyAgarAja hrdayAkara ninu vinA
4: natajana pOSaNa mita paribhASaNa shrta tyAgarAja sannuta sarvalOka
5: parama pAvana nAma karuNA sindhO vara tyAgarAja hrcara dInabandhO

karuNa jUDu. rAgA: kalyANi. Adi tALA.

P: karuNa jUDu nanu kamalApati
A: caraNamulE gati mari mari vEDiti niratamu nammiti sumatI kalyANa venkaTapati
C1: Amika cEtanu nEmamu dappiti nEmani balkudu sumatI kalyANa venkaTapati
2: pantamu tODuta paNatula gUDiti shrIkAntuni pondeTu sumati kalyANa venkaTapati
3: bAguga nannElu yOgi vinuta tyAgarAja varada rAga carita sumatI kalyANa venkaTapati

lAli yugavayyA. rAgA: kEdAragauLa. rUpaka tALA.

P: lAli yugavayyA nA pAli daivamA rAmA
A: mAlimi gala sIta tOnu mancamunanu pavvaLinci
C1: shrI kOsalapura nivAsa jIva dEva cidvilAsa pAkAri maNi prakAsha padmanAbha darahAsa
2: sura bhAmalu prEmamIra sogasugAnu pADaga sura taru suma varShamulu suralu kuriya jEyagA
3: pAlu venna paramAnnamu bAguga nIvAraginci baluDaina tyAgarAju bhASaNamula nAlakinci

mutyAla cavikelO. rAgA: hamIrkalyANi. k/cApu tALA.

P: mutyAla cavikelO mudamu mIraganu satyavantuDu sItA satitO callaganu
C1: addALa maNTapam bAmaru rAghavuni muddugAraga jUci munulella pogaDa
2: dEva sudatulu paTTa divya jOtulanu pAvanuni guNamulanu pAdEru migula
3: suralu sumamula vAna guriyimpa jEsi sarasijAkSuni jUci santasilliganu
4: rAga tALa mrdanga ravaLicE bAgA tyAgarAjavELa dayatO pADaganu

pAhi parama dayALO. rAgA: kApi. Adi tALA.

P: pAhi parama dayALO harE mAm
C1: sundarAnana mukunda rAghava purandarAdinuta mandarAgadhara
2: pankajApta hariNAnka nayana sItAnka suguNa makarAnka janaka mAm
3: pUrNa rUpa kalasharNava sthita suparNa vAhana suvarNa cEladhara
4: nAgashayana bhavarOga nAshaka sadAgatija hita tyAgarAjanuta

sItA lakSmaNa. rAgA: aThANA. Adi tALA.

P: sItA lakSmaNa sahitam mAnasa cintaya nija dAsa hitam
A: sura taru kusuma vimAnam dyuti sOma bhAskara samAnam
C1: mangaLa divyAkaram vara nigamAgamana sancAram
2: hanumat karadhrta caraNam harim agaNita lOkavaraNam
3: patita pAvana virAjam paripAlita tyAgarAjam

uNDi Emi. rAgA: yadukulakAmbhOji. Adi tALA.

P: uNDi Emi urvi bhAramugA
A: uNDi Emi urvi bhAramugA kOdaNDapANini kanulaniNDa cUDa vAr-
C: manasuna nitya nUtanamaina sogasunu mari mari ganalEka nenaruna
tyAgarAjanutuni pogaDaka kanarAnidi kanucu vinarAnidi vinucu

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 22 Jul 2007, 16:49

Lakshmanji,
Thanks, I have noted down these. 'kAkarla vamSa' is in praise of Sri tyAgarAja and, therefore, not a tyAgarAja kRti.

I will go through these in detail and if Admin agrees, I shall post these also together with meanings.

Is this the audio version? If so, if there is any written version, it could be easy to check errors. Already I find one error.

In the kRti 'uNDi Emi', the ending of Anupallavi, it should, IMHO be 'cUDani vAr'

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 22 Jul 2007, 18:19

The songs I posted are on the CD. I know that one of them is by Valajapet Venkataramana Bhagavatar.

kmrasika · Post by **kmrasika** » 23 Jul 2007, 12:58

Meenaji/Lakshman Sir,
Could you please provide the title name of the album and the producing company? I'd like to get a copy.

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 23 Jul 2007, 17:39

The CD is titled "Rare Krithis of Thyagaraja" (presented by Nedunuri Krishnamurthy), Produced and Marketed by Sangita Kalanidhi Sri Nedunuri Krishnamurthy, 2-16-27/1, Sector-6, M.V.P Colony, Vishakapatnam, 0891-2550650

On the CD itself the names of Malladi Brothers is included.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 26 Jul 2007, 13:02

For an interesting (Tamil) article on the SaranAgati tattva of Sri tyAgarAja by Ms Lalita Ram, please visit - http://www.maraththadi.com/article.asp?id=1787

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 14 Aug 2007, 23:33

In the kRti 'mAkElarA vicAramu' - rAga ravicandrika, Sri tyAgarAja states

'jata kUrci nATaka sUtramunu
jagamella meccaga karamunaniDi
gati tappaka ADincedavu'

Rough translation is "Having set up a drama (of Universe), holding the strings in Your hands, You are making (the universe) dance without missing a beat, to the praise of whole universe"

I have a doubt about the words 'jata kUrci' - generally, these words mean 'harmoniously'.

The tamil equivalent is 'cODu kaTTi' - சோடு கட்டி meaning 'joining pairs'. I am of the view that Sri tyAgarAja mentions about the 'dvandva' (pairs - sruti-laya, male-female as also pairs of opposites) which is the basis for the functionality of the universe.

In Srimad Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 10, kRSNa says 'dvandva: sAmAsikasya' - I am the dvandva of all the compounds.

Can someone explain why kRSNa says that He is 'dvandva' of all the compounds?

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 30 Aug 2007, 17:05

Dr V Raghavan, in his Introductory Thesis to the book 'The Spiritual Heritage of Tyagaraja' pp 23 makes the following observations -

...Certain words rare in Sanskrit poetic usage have gained rather free currency in the vocabulary of our music composers and Tyagaraja has resorted to them frequently, words like sAmaja (elephant), apaghana (body), rAja and abja (moon), Sara (water) in Saradhi (ocean) ... vi-vAha in the sense of one riding a bird is confusing and expressions like bha-rAja-mukha and bhESa-sankASa are inelegant. Even so are involved compounds like upavalAri-mAyA-vilAsini which means viShNu-mAyA-vilAsini...
It is also far fetched to use such lAkShaNika-prayOgas as kanja-ja-astra for brahmAstra and vAgiSa-Ananda for brahmAnanda...

In the kRti 'kamalAmbA samrakShatu' - rAga Ananda bhairavi, MD states - kamalAjAnanda bOdha sukhi ... Here 'kamalAjAnanda', IMHO would mean brahmAnanda.

If 'vAgISAnanda' used by tyAgaraja is far-fetched, does 'kamalajAnanda' used by MD also comes in the same category?

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 15 Sep 2007, 08:55

Kriti 'nagu mOmu gala vAni' rAga madhyamAvati has a peculiar characteristic not found in any other kriti, in that the refrain is in the last caraNa and not in the pallavi. pallavi, anupallavi or any other caraNa is incomplete by itself unless the last caraNa is joined. Please take a look - http://thyagaraja.sulekha.com/blog/post ... vam-15.htm

I wonder how musicians treat this kriti.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 15 Sep 2007, 19:00

In the kRti 'SambhO Siva Sankara' - rAga SankarAbharaNam, there is an interesting usage in 4th caraNa. http://www.rasikas.org/wiki/sambho-sivaankara

'SamanAntaka vimalAnga' (Samana antaka vimala anga)

This refers to Siva kicking Yama in order to save Markandeya. In this, the words 'Samana' and 'anataka' both mean 'Yama' and also 'destroyer'. Therefore, it seems either word can be used to refer to 'Yama' and the other word to 'Siva'. Accordingly, both 'Samana antaka' and 'antaka Samana' seem to be appropriate.

Can someone comment?

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 15 Nov 2007, 22:22

There is a Hindi Film Song 'na tu hindu banEgA na tu mussalmaan banEgA tu tO Ek insAn banEgA' (Film Dhool ka Phool). (the singer addressing an abandoned baby - 'neither you will become a Hindu nor a Mussalmaan; you will become a human being')

Similar sentiments have been voiced by Sri Thyagaraja in his kRti 'kaTTu jEsinAvu' - rAga aThANA -

'mA matamulanu lalATamuna pitAmahuDu vrAya lEdu' - (at birth) Brahma has not ordained my faith (literally writing on the forehead) to be such and such.

mahesh_narayan · Post by **mahesh_narayan** » 16 Nov 2007, 19:51

vgvindan Sir,
Since your explanation of Tyagaraja Swami's kritis is so insightful, could you also provide meaning and explanation for Dikshitar's kritis? Though many of his words and phrases are easy to understand, an accurate explanation would help in understanding the proper meaning and pronunciation/splitting of sanskrit words. I am not aware if you already have been providing meaning for his kritis.

It may sound trivial to some, but I get confused about how to put tala for certain MD kritis that I try to learn by listening to cassettes or CDs. For example, kAdambari priyAyai is in Triputa tala, so is it 2 kalai or 1 kalai per avarthanam? Also, Prof. SRJ states in a lec-dem that he puts rupaka tala as a dhritam followed by a laghu for a particular MD kriti. If you could provide this kind of information for his kritis too, that would help a lot.

Thanks.
Mahesh.

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 16 Nov 2007, 22:01

mahesh,
I may state that my approach to Kritis of Sri Thyagaraja and MD is purely from Bhakti point of view. If you had seen my blogs, you would find them listed under the category of 'Religion' and NOT Music. Therefore, kindly do not expect any music related information from me because I am not musically trained.

As regards meanings of kRtis of Sri Thyagaraja, I am giving these in the blog sites. In regard to MD Kritis, I am providing the link where the meanings are available. However, I agree with you that the meanings of MD kritis - as provided in the website - are not as comprehensive as given by me in regard to Thyagaraja Krits.

In regard to the MD Kriti 'kAdambarI priyAyai', please refer to either of the following links -

http://thyagaraja.sulekha.com/blog/post ... vam-19.htm
http://guru-guha.blogspot.com/2007/09/d ... aayai.html

Sorry to disappoint you.

I, hereby, request other viewers to respond to the query of Mahesh.

mahesh_narayan · Post by **mahesh_narayan** » 17 Nov 2007, 08:33

Could someone upload Prof. SRJ's rendition of panCabhUta kiraNAvaLim in kiraNavaLi? I had heard it as part of a lec-dem, but don't remember where the lec-dem is located.

Thanks.
Mahesh.

meena · Post by **meena** » 14 Dec 2007, 01:51