Sangita Kalanidhi 2015

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:17

Rsachi

Wait and watch the attacks when RK gets the award.

It will go like "indeed he plays chitraveena and ... he sings.. but,does he really sing.. is that even singing...

just to warm up for 2017

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Jun 2015, 09:23

Gee, Harimau!

Yes, the Academy was unanimous in choosing Sanjay Subrahmanyan, and we fans are delighted, but jAlrAs is something else, isn't it? More like chamchAs?). You would know better because you are in Chennai (even if you weren't, as bright and knowing as you are, even if you were residing in Siberia, you would know

)

Yes! Ari did, MMI did, Pattamma did and MS did give tamizh compositions new life, true. Among contemporary musicians, Sanjay has done it more than others. He has sung more unknown compositions in other languages as well. In that too he has kept 'that' particular tradition of the greats going.

As for unknown composers, until their compositions are given voice and are heard, they remain in obscurity. It does not mean that they are inferior. The tamizh songs which Sanjay brought to light up to now in MArgazhi MahA Utsavam are uniformly beautiful.

If I go about with the attitude that a tODi has been played by Rajaratnam Pillai, given life by all stalwarts of the past and I don't want to hear it again from some modern day singer, then I can spend my days listening only to old gold on tape and switch off about its existence otherwise. Well, I'm not prepared to do it, and it seems as if I am not alone in this, and you hear that collective sigh of relief, I hope

About the obscure composers: they all can't be the trinity and yet, they have left behind a few gems each.You are much younger to me. Who knows? You may live to see that a composition or two of mine gaining popularity long after my time

I am not forcing my taste upon you. All of you who consider only the old to be gold, I'm sure are mindful about how the old music is going to continue living. One: by preserving it in a pristine condition and handing it over to the young. 2: Also by keeping it dynamic so that the present generation can be drawn into it. In that sense, Sanjay is just the right fit

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 10:05

Kashayam? or oomatthampoo juice? (Oomathampoo makes the consumer mad - comes from unmattha)

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 24 Jun 2015, 10:07

We have vent our feelings and recorded our views. I feel we do not further put the would be SK designate in a delicate / embarrassing position. Let us all wish him good luck to serve CM field with extra strength. This is my humble opinion. This was the case last year too.
Thanjavooran
24 06 2015

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 24 Jun 2015, 10:28

Thanjavooran

That is gumption. I am with you. Some like SS greatly. Some find a few faults. Definitely he is not average and others have not been rejected.

thaaye · Post by **thaaye** » 24 Jun 2015, 11:28

Rsachi wrote: His acolyte V Sriram

True, the eulogizing writer/historian. SS must have known long back the benefits of having a writer around like erstwhile kings did (or were they comedians?)

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 11:30

I wonder whether the reactions when SSI, Musiri, etc. got SK are available.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 11:34

What SK may not be about:
1. The size of audience for the performance.
2. Popularising Tamizh Kritis (new kritis, yes; SK is not about Tamizh).
3. Composer-singer
4. Popular vote
5. Choice such that no one will find fault
6. Age
7. Teething troubles of the singer in initial years

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 24 Jun 2015, 11:41

Harimau
If u are building a case in saying that musicians like VV Subramaniam , OST and to an extent Mannargudi easwaran are getting passed and sanjay getting it before- then I see immensely see your point.

I personally feel atleast three musicians like ravikiran, sanjay and vijay siva are nearly in the same bracket it is just very minimal difference . Of course there will be 4 years difference and they have to wait and few of them are going to cross 50 for sure

. They would not fall in the bracket of below 47 . sanjay popularity is the main tilting favour - I personally feel the order between his peers could have been bit juxtaposed but that is ok- but by passing few jambhavans like VVS , OST and Easwaran etc not ok to me.

Having said that Sanjay has taken immense effort along with an ecosystem of genuine fans and jalras . The blogs, you tube clips, twitter and his own decicsion not to even sing one concert in a marriage concert (That is exemplary) - if a musician sings and only sings it matters and that coupled with huge support of fans was clearly a matchwinner for Sanjay then occasional or frequent shruthi/ layam lapse.

Having said that it looks there is a huge backend gumbal ranging from insider of MA inclusive of V sriram and the writeups in the hindu all done to push sanjay in the league of below 47 age group of musicians who got SK. While SK to SSI at the age of 39 way back in 1947 was simply understandable- who else was there with so less count of musicians - but with this many crowd of so many senior accomplished musicians - I personally feel there could have been few years wait state .

All musicians have to learn the art of marketing from sanjay and he does that in style - light years ahead . Everything excepting that one caustic quality of grabbing all posts in sangeetham.com without offering an iota of explanation and shutting down the site - one has to learn from Sanjay.

Having said that in the historic past musicians like SSI have dominated their say in MA post getting SK and partly disrupted the fair working of MA in 80's and pushed his list to SK- depriving atleast two rock solid vidwan/vidushi who did not get SK . I wish such a thing does not happen with Sanjay and his insiders who are there in MA and I am keeping my fingers are crossed.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 24 Jun 2015, 11:59

The committee was unanimous...

They always are, aren't they? Or... taking a sample of the last two years, it seems that they are "always" unanimous.

I have no idea how big that committee is, but lets say twenty. What are the chances of twenty, or even ten, people arriving at the item-number-one-today-is-this-year's-sk meeting, all with just one name on their minds and tongues? Or, if they did, how much lobbbying and background discussion it took to make that happen. The final vote may have been unanimous: how much work did it take to bring that about?

This is not about Sanjay, or necessarily even about the MA and the SK: it is about committees and how they work, and about PR people, and how they work and represent things. No such organisation ever puts out a press release stating that, after acrimonious argument and minor injuries, a unanimous vote was passed

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 24 Jun 2015, 12:02

Great point Nick - the same unanimous was used for even sudha and i recollect you pointing out then. Unanimous means "we all disagree inside but have one view point outside ".

devan · Post by **devan** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:10

Rajesh you guessed the correct person.sriram.the man behind and front of sk.so much for fairness.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:20

Today, The Hindu, Tamil edition, there is an article on SS and his award. End of the report two questions raised ?

Why SS has not performed in Tiruvaiyaru Utsavam ?
Why has he not accompanies a female artist ?

Though, it is not connected to SK, very interesting questions ? Shall we say, SS is the first recipient of SK award without attending T.Utsavam even a single year ?

Female artist- I think many yesteryear artists did not wish to be accompanied by female artists... No qualms about that

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:33

Long back, Ranjani or Gayathri accompanied him.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:35

Re. unanimity, if many names are discussed and the final choice is carried without any express dissent, would it be unanimous or not? It is to confirm the usage and nothing to do with the process at MA which is hidden from us.

kolenidhi · Post by **kolenidhi** » 24 Jun 2015, 16:20

rajeshnat wrote:Having said that it looks there is a huge backend gumbal ranging from insider of MA inclusive of V sriram and the writeups in the hindu all done to push sanjay in the league of below 47 age group of musicians who got SK. While SK to SSI at the age of 39 way back in 1947 was simply understandable- who else was there with so less count of musicians

When Papanasam Sivan made the SK speech, he jokingly said that he was chosen that year as they found none else, the big guns simply left letting PS and daughter alone after the event. PS was seen waiting for a bus at the bus stand near the academy.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 24 Jun 2015, 17:46

rajeshnat wrote:I personally feel atleast three musicians like ravikiran, sanjay and vijay siva are nearly in the same bracket

Huh ?!

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 24 Jun 2015, 17:51

Rajeshnat wrote:

"I personally feel atleast three musicians like ravikiran, sanjay and vijay siva are nearly in the same bracket it is just very minimal difference . …"

What?! It appears that the writer cannot tell apart a good hardworking singer from a genius, the quality and quantity of whose musical output is almost unmatched in history (of ANY music).

Identifying ragas in the MA at two
singing vocal concerts with stalwart accompanists since age five
instrumental precision, virtuosity in all departments be it alapana, thanam, laya
Superb on-the-spot pallavis
700+ compositions that are brilliant integral works
several operatic works performed by leading Natya artists
an intellectual who can present deeply insightful lecture-demo on practically any CM topic
research and presentation of OVKs work in completely new light

Ravikiran strides like a colossus in his generation. I have no idea about the criteria that MA uses for selection but every time they offer it in this spirit of king making, they dilute the relevance of this award. Making this about under-50, over-47, or whatever baffles me.

-Radhika Rammohan

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 24 Jun 2015, 19:24

If...
The Academy gives five SKs each year--
Every instrument counted--
And...
If the tambura players feel overlooked--
We at Rasikas will raise a storm--
And ridicule every award given...

We need to host a roast every time--
Beating every political party at that
Then music goes hiding, when we
Bash every issue to death--until for sure
Another bit of news occupies us!

Safe are those who aren't around us--
Srinivas, you are fine with angels up there...
As rasikAs think they rule the world and cry
'Let's have better music!' bullying and belly-aching

It's a business world, buy, sell, bet, beat--
This better be no place for mirth and music
Where consumers put on their martial attire
And fight, as in a joust or a boxing match--

And here I am, wondering how many concerts
An SK gives in a season, how many I can hear...

'Go to your corner and repeat the lord's name,
Till your time comes old bag!', someone says--
In a place where they believe in freedom
Of speech and abuse in the same breath!

Well, each to his/her way, and let me go
minding my business and listening to music...

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 24 Jun 2015, 21:23

Always_Evolving wrote:
Identifying ragas in the MA at two
singing vocal concerts with stalwart accompanists since age five

The only thing I disagree with is the relevance, now, in 2015, of the age at which he started. The only difference that means is that we should discount his number of years of age now: whatever that is, he has 20 years more experience. If he is 45, he is equal, in years, to 65.

I don't think I'm doing a very good job of saying what I want to say. Let me try another approach... the award is not for having been a child (baby, even!) prodigy, but for what he is now.

Perhaps I'm just quibbling here: you know that he is my chosen candidate too!

But then... what is a rasikas.org SK thread for, if not quibbling! We could call it the afterMAth.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 24 Jun 2015, 21:40

I believe Music Academy should reveal the criteria used in selecting a Sangita Kalanidhi and the group that was involved in the selection process.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 24 Jun 2015, 21:51

The news says that the EC selected. The composition of the EC is in their website.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 24 Jun 2015, 22:05

Gosh. Around double my estimate, although not all of them are still alive.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 24 Jun 2015, 22:05

harimau wrote: N Ravikiran sings. Sanjay sings.

How about you? You must sing too, right?

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 24 Jun 2015, 22:08

Suresh, surely you have heard the cat in the night?

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 24 Jun 2015, 22:16

Yes... The harimau brothers

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Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 24 Jun 2015, 22:37

the award is not for having been a child (baby, even!) prodigy, but for what he is now.

Nick, I totally agree, its not an award for having been a baby-prodigy. Just that Ravikiran's earnest and full-on musical career did start years ahead. As a teenager he presented amazingly beautiful concerts in the Academy's senior slot, to full-house audiences. One particular from the 1986 season in which he played an elaborate Kambodhi RTP (Parimalarangapathaye) in his unfluttered style, and perfect kaala-pramanam from end to end, comes to mind.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 24 Jun 2015, 23:17

Nick H wrote:
I don't think I'm doing a very good job of saying what I want to say. Let me try another approach... the award is not for having been a child (baby, even!) prodigy, but for what he is now.

Can anyone seriously suggest that Ravikiran has done nothing after being a child prodigy?

Can anyone dispute the partial list of his musical skills that I listed in my post #100?

Has Ravikiran gone on a decline since his early days for him to be considered less suitable than the musician chosen this year?

Boy, there are so many persons who are now saying that Sudha after all was not such a bad a choice two years ago.

That is the only good fallout from this year's selection.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 24 Jun 2015, 23:26

harimau wrote: Can anyone seriously suggest that Ravikiran has done nothing after being a child prodigy?

etc

Did anybody suggest that? I don't think so. Certainly not me.

He is, after all, my favourite for the title, and not just for what he did as a baby. I didn't know him when he was a baby.

I might, though, institute a special award for what his father did when he was a baby!

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 25 Jun 2015, 06:08

IMO Persons unconcerned are dragged in this thread.
Thanjavooran
25 06 2015

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 25 Jun 2015, 08:17

VK RAMAN wrote:I believe Music Academy should reveal the criteria used in selecting a Sangita Kalanidhi and the group that was involved in the selection process.

MA is like any sabha. I don't know but I think no other sabha reveal any criteria for their award selections. So, I guess MA too doesn't.

If ppl stop giving too much importance to MA, I suppose it will adhere to democratic ways.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 25 Jun 2015, 09:33

I wanted to use the phrase 'have an axe to grind' in a post in this thread. Before using it, I wanted to make sure the idiomatic use I have in mind is the correct one. What I found is the following which is consistent with what I had in mind, so let me use it.
"to have a strong opinion about something, which you are often trying to persuade other people is correct "

Harimau, this is not a response to your opinion on the qualifications Ravikiran has for SK. This thread is not about RK and I do not think anyone is disputing whether RK deserves an SK or not. We are all fully aware of his greatness.

Your post trashing SS's tala and swarasuddham is just in poor taste. Many great musicians have had such issues on a bad day. Every Turing award winning great computer scientists have written a crashing computer program and Nobel Prize winning scientists have had a mishap or two. Such things do not define them. This is not a competition of that kind.

Given your past history of extreme negativism about SS that borders on harping, that post does not rise above the threshold for 'having an axe to grind'.

kolenidhi · Post by **kolenidhi** » 25 Jun 2015, 09:35

- SK pose in Hindu

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 25 Jun 2015, 10:30

vasanthakokilam wrote:This thread is not about RK

I disagree with that vk (although I agree with your observation that Harimau's post was in bad taste). This thread is about the Sangeeta Kalanidhi, purportedly the premier title awarded for achievements in the field of Carnatic music. Keep in mind that it is a broad mandate.

Ravikiran has contributed to the field in spades for at least two decades prior to the rest of his so-called "bracket" (to use rajeshnat's term), i.e., those born in the late 1960's. That coupled with the sheer qantum, breadth and quality of his contributions made him the most worthy well before anybody else in his generation. Therefore awarding the title to Sanjay, no doubt an excellent and hard-working vocalist, prior to Ravikiran is an egregious error on the part of the academy.

It's a case of Lalgudi all over again.

N Murali, in many of his speeches, has referred to Ravikiran as the "Sachin Tendulkar" of Carnatic music. However, when the time came for awarding titles, a little genie whispered in his ear that Shourav Ganguly is an ideal choice. Even more ironical, Murali made a great fuss in his speech at the Lalgudi lifetime awards ceremony about righting the errors of the past.

Congrats to Sanjay and his fans !

Always_Evolving · Post by **Always_Evolving** » 25 Jun 2015, 11:08

VK wrote:

Harimau, this is not a response to your opinion on the qualifications Ravikiran has for SK. This thread is not about RK and I do not think anyone is disputing whether RK deserves an SK or not. We are all fully aware of his greatness.

VK, some of us -- certainly Harimau and myself -- are disputing the choice of awardee for this year. We are saying that being 'fully aware of his greatness' while failing to acknowledge his automatic choice, is like ignoring the rhinoceros in the living room. It only colludes with the political hubris shown by the academy. So in your phrase shown in blue above, I would susbtitute the name with SS -- but add that it should be after more deserving candidates. That to me would be right and courageous.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 25 Jun 2015, 11:28

While not disputing the merit of RK (who am I to do it?), the point of Sanjay's selection being 'political' is unjustified. If you think he deserves less, so be it. But, any suggestion that Sanjay was politically favoured lacks substance.

EighthNote · Post by **EighthNote** » 25 Jun 2015, 11:32

why unnecessarily pay attn to this harimau chap. it only encourages him to babble more... he is so full of himself (you know what I mean)

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 25 Jun 2015, 11:34

When SSi was given, I vaguely remember having read criticism MMI must have been given. When finally MMI was given, ARI said that he should have been given earlier. I am only pointing out that such judgments have happened. The panel has not revealed the reasons, and Sanjay fans are justified in feeling elated without any aspersion to others overlooked. The fans are not to blame for miscarriage of the award, if that be the truth.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 25 Jun 2015, 11:34

Harimau adds fun and is needed.

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 25 Jun 2015, 12:15

kvchellappa wrote:While not disputing the merit of RK (who am I to do it?), the point of Sanjay's selection being 'political' is unjustified.

Wonder what V Sriram was upto all these days, if not 'political'.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 25 Jun 2015, 12:54

Looks like even in this forum there is no recommendations for Vodwans O S tyagarajan and Vijaya Siva two very deserving Vidwans.The focus is on N Ravikiran only.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 25 Jun 2015, 13:41

Radhika, Uday, yes, my main point is more about the mean spiritedness exhibited in tearing down an artist.

On the points you made, I think a lot of people here will agree with that nuanced position.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 25 Jun 2015, 13:50

Yes, VK, we can attack the decision without attacking the man. I see no need to attack the man. Actually, I do not think it any great insult to an artist to suggest that they may not deserve, or deserve less, the SK award. We may wholeheartedly adore their performance without feeling that they are necessarily the right person. Not every person fits every job; not every person fits every award.

hnbhagavan wrote:Looks like even in this forum there is no recommendations for Vodwans O S tyagarajan and Vijaya Siva two very deserving Vidwans.The focus is on N Ravikiran only.

True. We are focussing on two names: the one that got, and the one that many of us would like to have seen get.

Well, for many years, TVG was the one some of us wanted to see get it: last year he did. There are other years, other names, and Ravikiran is but one of the deserving.

Whatever might be read into some of my comments, just because I think someone else the more deserving, does not mean that I am against Sanjay or his fans. Indeed, I am happy for them. There are names that would indeed have increased my hair loss and decreased my respect for the institution of the MA --- and it is quite likely that they will, some year in the future, be winners. Probably, then, I won't even bother with the discussion. I shriek when I stub my toe; my wife comes running; I say, "minor injuries make me scream: it's when I go silent that you need to worry!"

And yes, why we give such importance to the MA and the SK remains a mystery. The awards of other major sabhas pass almost unnoticed, but MA and SK whips us up into a frenzy every year!

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 25 Jun 2015, 14:46

And yes, why we give such importance to the MA and the SK remains a mystery. The awards of other major sabhas pass almost unnoticed, but MA and SK whips us up into a frenzy every year! -Nick

This title is the one which fetches more awards and is the one most mentioned - More like a Bharatarathna given by Govt Of India.
Music Academy is still the most prestigious body in spite of whatever short comings it has.You know very well as to how many musicians still desire the prime slot in MA.In fact many musicians post it in FB and other places when they get to perform in MA.Then you can imagine the importance of the title as such.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 25 Jun 2015, 16:08

vasanthakokilam wrote:
Harimau, this is not a response to your opinion on the qualifications Ravikiran has for SK. This thread is not about RK and I do not think anyone is disputing whether RK deserves an SK or not. We are all fully aware of his greatness.

Your post trashing SS's tala and swarasuddham is just in poor taste. Many great musicians have had such issues on a bad day.

Given your past history of extreme negativism about SS that borders on harping, that post does not rise above the threshold for 'having an axe to grind'.

Ravikiran was a strawman I put up because he is absolutely without question the strongest candidate.

Others such as Nick, Uday Shankar and Always-Evolving jumped in perhaps because they saw merit in my arguments or because they couldn't dispute my logic or they had an axe to grind.

I did ask why not Aruna Sayeeram, Ranjani-Gayathri, Bombay Jayasri, T M Krishna or Nithyasri.

I cannot be bothered to produce an Excel table listing all of these candidates' qualifications for the SK. So I gave a short post of 5 points for Ravikiran.

Off the top of my head, let me talk about Ranjani- Gayathri (RG).

They started out as violinists. Proved themselves to be excellent accompanists as well as a violin duo. This phase would be from the mid- to late-1990s when they moved to Chennai. Clearly, they had an impressive career in Bombay before that for their dad to uproot his family and move to Chennai.

They were given the first opportunity as vocalists by Hamsadhwani in the 2001-2002 timeframe. Their 2003(?) US tour was as a violin duo though they gave one vocal performance also at the Cleveland Aradhana.

Unquestioned sruthi suddham on the violin as well as on the vocals. Brilliant swara prastharam. A long-term student of TRS gushes about their swara singing. By contrast, a serious music student and upcoming musician told me hardly 3 months back that she got nothing out of Sanjay's concert and saw no need to attend another for the next 10 years. So what did the Music Academy see that serious musicians cannot?

In the four-part interview in The Hindu, Sanjay acknowledges his struggles with layam and sruthi yet all of you dismiss my comments as what I happened to hear on an off-day for the singer!

Baloney!

Who has an axe to grind?

If you all want to bow down at Music Academy and chant 'We are not worthy, we are not worthy', go right ahead but don't expect me to join the chorus.

Go ahead, Excel jockeys. Create a table listing the skills of RG, Aruna Sayeeram, Bombay Jayasri, T M Krishna, Nithyasri, Ravikiran, Vijay Siva, etc. Let us rank that against the SK-designate's.

PS. I am leaving out VVSubramaniam, OST, Karaikkudi Mani, etc, because they are not in the age category that the Music Academy chose, not because they have any less merit.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 25 Jun 2015, 16:10

EighthNote wrote:why unnecessarily pay attn to this harimau chap. it only encourages him to babble more... he is so full of himself (you know what I mean)

Didn't I say not to read my posts if you don't like honesty?

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 25 Jun 2015, 16:12

Administrators, lock the thread, redact my posts, do whatever you want to suppress freedom of expression!

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 25 Jun 2015, 16:25

Harimau fallacies:
1. Talking unfairly of an individual is honesty or hitting below the belt is.
2. Others got the idea about RK ignited by his wisdom.
3. Asking the admin. to delete his posts. (The forum has been a very free one. In fact, I often wonder why so many non-musical things are allowed here, e.g. the dress of Sudha for yoga, in what way does it concern rasikas of music? VK gave his view with which HM may disagree and some like me may; he did not question the post or delete it. It is unacceptable that an admin. does not have at least as much right to post his view as HM).

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 25 Jun 2015, 16:31

Nick H wrote:Yes, VK, we can attack the decision without attacking the man. I see no need to attack the man.

What was the personal attack? Telling the truth about unsuitability for an award and comparing to another person with superior qualifications is not a personal attack.

It is an attack on the judgment of the Music Academy!

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 25 Jun 2015, 16:35

kvchellappa wrote:Harimau fallacies:
1. Talking unfairly of an individual is honesty or hitting below the belt is.
2. Others got the idea about RK ignited by his wisdom.
3. Asking the admin. to delete his posts. (The forum has been a very free one. In fact, I often wonder why so many non-musical things are allowed here, e.g. the dress of Sudha for yoga, in what way does it concern rasikas of music? VK gave his view with which HM may disagree and some like me may; he did not question the post or delete it. It is unacceptable that an admin. does not have at least as much right to post his view as HM).

1. What was the unfair talk?

2. Harimau does not claim to be the sole fount of wisdom. If others choose to follow his reasoning, he merely sees it as the power of his logic.

3. Admins are known to threaten to lock threads (Sudha's dress at the International Yoga Day is an example) so I told them to exercise their authority as they see fit.