An invitation to participate

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 22 Feb 2007, 21:06

chalanata wrote:then we are not taking cognizance that they come in the shishya parampara of dikshidar and of the sanskrit songs like 'mayathitha swaroopini' composed by ponniah pillai with the mudra 'guruguha swami'

AFAIK mAyAtIta swarUpiNi is in telugu. Anyway, it is no disrespect to tyAgarAja to say his sanskrit was not scholarly (in is kRtis). There is no offence in stating a factual observation. It is like saying suc and such a composer's telugu was not as good as annamAcARya's or tyAgarAja's.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 22 Feb 2007, 21:56

coolkarni

We are ready for the audio! So that our discussions can continue on track

vgvindan · Post by **vgvindan** » 22 Feb 2007, 22:36

I am reminded of the movie of K Balachandar - iru kODugaL. How to make a line shorter? By drawing a longer line by the side it.

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 23 Feb 2007, 00:19

" ....without erasing a part of it...?"
Wasn't iru kODugaL movie by one K S Gopalakrishnan? I know we are going away from the main topic.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 23 Feb 2007, 00:33

mahakavi wrote:" ....without erasing a part of it...?"
Wasn't iru kODugaL movie by one K S Gopalakrishnan?.

No, it was Balachandar

mahakavi · Post by **mahakavi** » 23 Feb 2007, 00:59

OK, I stand corrected. Somehow KS Gopalakrishnan was stuck in my mind. He directed some movies with domestic themes with emotional conflicts.

chalanata · Post by **chalanata** » 23 Feb 2007, 07:16

DRS,
thanks for correcting me and sorry for the goof up. notwithstanding i'm convinced that the four were sanskrit savvy; this is because i've seen great dance masters quoting slokas from baratha nayta sasthra and sculptors quoting vasthu.

humdinger · Post by **humdinger** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:19

My knowledge of Sanskrit being sUnyam, i dont have any authority to comment about Tyagaraja's scholarship in sanskrit.

But if the lack of sanskrit schoraship is the reason for him composing in telugu is a little debatable. Coz, unlike dIkshitaar's kritis which are like naama sthothras singing the glory of gods, most of the tyagaraja kritis are like a communication with him.

He reveals to us his inner most feelings through his works, without inhibitions. At such occassions its only natural that the outpour comes in one's native language and never tries to show one's scholarship.

Kritis like jagadaananda kaarakaa, saamaja varagamanaa... show us enough proof of his sanskrit knowledge.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 23 Feb 2007, 14:54

some of tanjore quartet's sAhityams, also have mudras like 'guruguha dAsa'

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 23 Feb 2007, 17:16

We are ready for the audio! So that our discussions can continue on track

Let's not wait too long before we get off track completely!
First the audio, then the video...yes?

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 23 Feb 2007, 19:24

Here we go
the audio part

http://www.badongo.com/file/2297144
05_SITA_NAYAKA_SRITAJANA_POSHAKA-RITIGOWLA-TRIPUTA-THYAGARAJA.MP3

Rest of the krithis will come in a sequence from Varna to the Mangalam

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Feb 2007, 20:11

Great! Attention! The concert has started. Now we should start discussing the Music.
Very good acoustics and great recording (without 'pikku or pishuRu'). Our Thanks to the recording artist !

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 23 Feb 2007, 20:17

Just listened to the rendition of this rare kriti. The beginning of the alapana had a strong feel of Sriranjani to my ears. I know the two ragas share swaras, but...

By the way, TVR sounds a bit like like Nedunuri, doesn't he?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Feb 2007, 20:19

Funny! I just heard the aalaapana. A very classic rItigowlai. TVR is in great form...

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 23 Feb 2007, 21:14

02_Sarasijanabha_Kamboji_Ata_Tala_Varnam.mp3

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 23 Feb 2007, 21:14

thanks cool-ji and of course TVR for a lovely treat! Excellent recording!

jayaram - yes he does sound like nedunuri to me too. Also alapana - IMO, it is standard rItigowLa.

Although dissecting (if that is an intention here) this kind of a "goodwill concert" seems a bit off to me.

Arun

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 23 Feb 2007, 21:18

mAyAtita svarUpiNi is in telugu.

mAyAtIta svarUpiNi. rAgA: mAyAmALavagauLa. rUpaka tALA.

P: mAyAtIta svarUpiNi nannu brOvavE mahA tripurasundari shankari
A: mAyAmALavagauLa dEshamuna mahimagala tolararcincu Ishvari
(madhyamakAlam)
kAyajuni vairiki prANa kAnta brhadIshvari krpa
sEya valenu mA guruguha svAmiki nE dASuDaiti

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 23 Feb 2007, 21:44

I thought TVR was Trichur V. Ramachandran (and in the thread on GNB, that is who is being refred to as TVR)...let us please not use initials when they can be confusing...We can refer to the artist being discussed as Sri Ramprasadh...

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 23 Feb 2007, 21:49

arun - intention was not to dissect. this was a genuine question from my side, to help improve my understanding. if this may cause any misunderstanding, pls ignore.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Feb 2007, 21:59

Shankar
Good point. We should have unique abbreviations. I request Meena to provide us one and include it in her official abbreviations list. TV Ramaprasad deserves a short handle since we are going to be talking about him at length

Lakshman
would it be too much to post the lyrics as the audio gets posted so that we can look and listen.
Now the Sarasijanabha_Kamboji Varnam please...

arunk · Post by **arunk** » 23 Feb 2007, 22:07

jayaram - ok. He starts NDM..M.. etc, which is perhaps a common start for SrIranjani but i believe it is equally valid in rItigowLa. I think the first phrase uses only d, m, g although i am not sure if the type of gamakas used are more rItigowLa (as they seem to me) or can also be employed in SrIranjani. But there is NN near the beginning of the second "phrase" which is very characteristic rItigowLa. Of course, i could be simplifying too much and erring too - i am not that good at figuring out these things - although somewhat better than i used to be

Arun

gn.sn42 · Post by **gn.sn42** » 23 Feb 2007, 22:09

coolkarni wrote:Rest of the krithis will come in a sequence from Varna to the Mangalam

Could we hear coolkarni's speech as well, please (track 01, I'm assuming)?

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 23 Feb 2007, 22:16

03_Teliya_Leru_Rama_Bhakti_Margamulu-Dhenuka-adi-Thyagaraja.mp3

gn.sn42
you are a superman.no way of escaping I guess.will put that track also.
hope no one dissects this one..

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 23 Feb 2007, 22:23

sItA nAyaka. rAgA: rItigauLa. cApu tALA.

P: sItA nAyaka shrtajana pOSaka shrI raghukula tilaka O rAma
C1: nirupEda bhaktula karikOTa baDalEka giripai nekkukoNTivO (shrI venkaTa giripai)
2: angalrpu jUci rangapuramuna celangucu paNDitivO (rangapuramuna celangucu)
3: gAcina bahktula jUci A balinE yAcinci veDalitivO (A balinE yAcinci)
4: Asaminci ninnAshu jErErani kIshula jEritivO (jErErani kIshula vA jEritivO)
5: jAlitO vaccu kucEluni kani gOpi cElamu lettitivO (kani gOpi cElamu)
6: ingita merigi uppongucu brOce bangAru doravaitivO (nanu brOcE)
7: nI guNamulu gaTTu bAguga delisenu tyAgarAja vinuta (dElsenayya)

sarasija nAbha ninnu. rAgA: kAmbhOji. aTa tALA.

P: sarasija nAbha ninnu sannuti jEsEnurA cAla krpayuncUDakiti samayamurA
A: niratamu nIpAdamE gati yunnAnurA nijamaniyenci nA manavi gaikonarA
C: sArvabhauma sakala lOkAbhirAma

teliyalEru rAma. rAgA: dhEnukA. dEshAdi tALA.

P: teliyalEru rAma bhakti mArgamunu
A: ilanantaTa tirugucunu galuvarincErE gAni
C: vEgalEci nITa munigi bhUti bUsi vallanenci veliki shlAganIyulai
bAga paika mArjana lOlulai rEgani tyAgarAja vinuta

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 23 Feb 2007, 22:29

Lji,
I am sure that even the kalpataru was not so prompt in granting wishes. You are amazing!

THANK YOU!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 23 Feb 2007, 22:32

04_Apparama_Bhakti_Ento-Panthuvarali-Rup-Thyagaraja.mp3

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Feb 2007, 22:57

I agree Shankar
I just went to have my lunch and by the time I am back we are flooded with the lyrics and the audio!

Thanks folks!
badango is posing no problems!

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 23 Feb 2007, 23:04

rashankar: This is the result of many years of work with two finger typing.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 23 Feb 2007, 23:07

at Lji!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 23 Feb 2007, 23:10

I wish the Lord Shanmuga gave you all his 60 fingers

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 24 Feb 2007, 00:05

cmlover wrote:Shankar
Good point. We should have unique abbreviations. I request Meena to provide us one and include it in her official abbreviations list. TV Ramaprasad deserves a short handle since we are going to be talking about him at length

Lakshman
would it be too much to post the lyrics as the audio gets posted so that we can look and listen.
Now the Sarasijanabha_Kamboji Varnam please...

I am saving it under folder TVRP...
How about this abbrv..

Lakshman · Post by **Lakshman** » 24 Feb 2007, 00:33

appa rAma bhakti yentO gopparA mA. rAgA: kAmavardhini. rUpaka tALA.

P: appa rAmabhakti yentO gopparA mA
A: trippaTalanu dIrci kaNTi reppavalEnu gAcu mA
C1: lakSmI dEvI valacunA lakSmanuNDu golucunA sUkSmabuddhi gala bharatuDu jUcijUci solasunA mA
2: shabari yengili niccunA candradharuDu meccunA abalasvayamprabhaku daivamacala padavi niccunA mA
3: kapi vAridhi dATunA kaliki rOta gaTunA aparAdhi tyAgarAjukAnandamu heccunA mA

meena · Post by **meena** » 24 Feb 2007, 01:23

kji

thanks for shower

and to Sir TV Ramprasad and his team.

Suji
We discussed this on bboard, so many new artists around hard to keep track , so the rule is no abbrav. use their full name PLEASE.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Feb 2007, 01:29

Suji
TVRP is fine for me though we may refer to the full name here as Meena wishes! (but let him not be knighted

Sam Swaminathan · Post by **Sam Swaminathan** » 24 Feb 2007, 02:16

Just started listening to the Sita Nayaka.....very clean and very clear Riti Gowla.....excellent recording....just cannot wait to hear other songs.....pranam Coolji...

Regards

sankirnam · Post by **sankirnam** » 24 Feb 2007, 03:09

Thanks to Coolkarni for providing the recording, the quality is very good, although the mrudangam volume could have been a little louder in the recording.

I recognize R. Ramesh as the mrudangist from the photos and the recording, but I don't know who the violinist is.
edit: nevermind, got it, it was V. V. Srinivasa Rao.

TVR's voice has changed considerably since the last time I heard him, which is to be expected I suppose, since I heard him last in 2000.

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 24 Feb 2007, 03:48

Coolkarni - just listened to the opening piece, the kambodhi varnam. Great stuff.

It's great that you left in the initial chit-chat. I was praying you wouldn't edit the recording, and looks like you've responded well. It's these bits that give the recording life, and will bring back lovely memories in a few years' time. (I avoid studio recordings like the plague...)

Do provide us an unedited version of the video also, please...

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 24 Feb 2007, 07:19

Jayaram
It is the unedited version indeed.only improved for noise reduction and other issues.
yes , even the videos will be unedited.the only sad part is that (I hope all themridangam vidwans here wont thrash me for this) we ran out of video tape by the time the thani started.even though we had 2 1/2 hours worth of tape , we spent a lot of that on the initial part- greeting all the invitees, the atmosphere outsde etc etc and that got us into trouble later.
anyway the audio portion is complete in all aspects.

these talking portions will have some bits that would not have been there had we known that they would reach a larger audience (My wife keeps nagging me - How many times you have mentioned "last 25 years' in three successive sentences.Why dont you edit them ?'
For your sake Jayaram , I have let those imperfections stay.

There is a sweet moment when the artist introduces Ramesh as a worthy disciple of Mani Sir.
starts by saying "Closing my eyes I cannot distinguish between the two.. "and quickly recovers to say "Mani Sir is in a plane of his own, but Yes This gentleman here has imbibed most of it...."
That was the best moment of the concert for me.

meena · Post by **meena** » 24 Feb 2007, 09:23

rAvE himagirikumArI. rAgA:tODi. Adi tAla.

P:rAvE himagirikumArI kaNcikAmAkshi varadA manavi vina vamma shubhamimma mAyamma

Sv-sA :
1. natajana paripAlini vanucu nammitini sadA brOva [rAvE�]
2. madamatta mahiShadAnava mardhani vEta dIrccavE duramukanu [rAvE�]
3. kAmapAlini nIvE gatiyani kOriti kOniyADiti vEDiti [rAvE�]
4. kAmitArtthaphaladAyakiyanETi birudu mahilO nIkE tagu [rAvE�]
5. kamalamukhi daragala ghananIlakacabharA mR_gavilOcana maNiradanA [rAvE�]
6. shyAmakrishNanutA vinu nA cintanu vE vEgadIrccabhayamiyyavE
kalyANi kaNcikAmAkshi nI pAdamE dikku [rAvE�.]

tiruvadi sharaNam. raga: kambhOji- Adi

P:tiruvaDi sharaNam enringu nAn nambi vandEn-dEvAdi dEva nin
A:marupaDiyum karuvaDaiyum kuzhiyil taLLi varuttappaDutta vENDAm ponnambalavA nin
C:eDutta jananm kaNakkezhuda tolaiyAdu- irangi magizhndu dEvarIr vENumenru
koDutta mAniDa janmam vINAgi pOguden-kurai tIrtta pADumillaiyE
aDuttu vanda ennai taLLalAgAdu ara-harAvenru shonnAlum pOdAdO
taDuttu vandaruLa samayam gOpAlakriSnan santatam paNindu pugazh pOTrum
(corrections welcome)

tambUri mITTidava. rAgA: Sindhubhairavi

P:tambUri mITidava bhavAbdhi dATidava tALava taTTidava suraroLu sEridava
C:gejjeya kaTTidava khaLaredeya meTTidava gAyana pADidava harimUruti nODidava
purandara viThalana nODidava vaikuNThakE ODidava

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Feb 2007, 09:32

Thanks meena!

coolkarni
Only three 'last 25 years'. Don't worry! After another 25 years you will say a lot more with the blessings of our Rasika clan!

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Feb 2007, 09:51

MaNakkaal has beautifully indicated the deficiency in the concert which when translated is:
The only fault in the concert was that there were no faults

Hats off to coolkarni and his team for this wonderful experience as we internet community also feel part of this great experience.

While we are waiting for the videos we can start our appreciation sessions!

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 24 Feb 2007, 10:16

Thank you Coolkarni,
I downloaded all the pieces and just started listening to your speech first to get the feeling of being there from the beginning.
Congrats to you and all present in making this maiden concert a success!!

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 24 Feb 2007, 10:20

there were other experieces too, which may not come on the videos , in full effect.

Sight of Manakkal Rangarajan entering, impeccably dressed .With his full family .That was a great way of telling us to keep up the good work.
(After the concert I received a call from Sriram and he told that his father was insisting that the next concert should be held at their residence..)
He did not make any fuss about the rickety chair we could find for him.He was lost in the music throughout , and even when he spoke , he was anxious that it should be short and not stand in the way of the music.
I observed him throughout.Eyes closed , he was running the music through his system.
On an earlier Occasion , during a visit to his home I was perplexed to find him humming nonstop and pausing only when he had to reply.Strange effect.Imagine somebody humming a tune when you are talking to him and that stops only when he has to reply.
I checked up with him if it was like that ,throughout the day, and he quipped - How can this Music stay away from me .It is part of my system..
I am only hoping that the videos will bring out some more idea of the romance of that evening..

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 24 Feb 2007, 10:26

Kji,
The tODi 06 seems to be truncated- only 50 secs.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 24 Feb 2007, 10:35

anyone else having the same problem ??

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 24 Feb 2007, 10:49

My first download stopped half way silently. I downloaded again and I got the whole thing. So, Suji try again.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Feb 2007, 10:54

Suji is right. It is 8:29 long but is truncated at the end. I don.t know why she got only 50secs.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 24 Feb 2007, 10:58

CML, it should actually be 12 minutes and 11 seconds. When the download silently failed for me, it was truncated at 8:29 minutes. The file size should be 11429 KB.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 24 Feb 2007, 11:00

In Tiruvadi_Charanam alapana, I enjoyed the fleeting 2 seconds of interplay between vocal and violin..12:43 to 12:45.. quite spontaneous.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 24 Feb 2007, 11:03

OK VK
I re downloaded and got a bigger file 11.4 MB hopefully all of it. It appears
badongo is indeed bad on go which means it simply truncates your d/l in case you attempt another d/l before the one is finished !