Sangita Kalanidhi 2015

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 30 Jun 2015, 09:40

In my view the only real contender for the award for a young musician was TMK. That is my view.

uday_shankar · Post by **uday_shankar** » 30 Jun 2015, 09:45

kvchellappa wrote:Of course there are countless others, web space is not adequate.

@kvchellappa, don't worry, your descent to "patheticity" is documented herein. When people make a an informed objection and present a small number of deserving people who they believe have accomplished more than the present awardee, there is no need to belittle that attempt by talking about "countless" others or the inadequacy of web space. Decent men don't try to argue by belittling.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 30 Jun 2015, 09:51

That may be pathetic for you, but really parading almost everybody's name even after MA clarified that they have chosen to alternate youngsters and seniors was pathetic and my sarcasm was in response to that. I hold my head high with my remark.

thaaye · Post by **thaaye** » 30 Jun 2015, 09:52

Sundara Rajan wrote:It is my opinion that disagreement about the choice and constructive criticisms have not been frowned upon here. Vituperation is what is objectionable.

Using abusive language like 'troll'

was not objectionable here, I observed. Fine hair-splitting with the sole intention to defend mindlessly seems to be another norm, I've observed. Maybe that's what is called constructive criticism. Brand people and pounce on them like flock of sheep is another way of criticizing. For all the 'civilized' characters here, I do find an underlying force of vindictive viciousness and malice dictating criticisms - most of the time, but just pretending to be neutral and harmless.

kolenidhi · Post by **kolenidhi** » 30 Jun 2015, 10:50

thaaye wrote: For all the 'civilized' characters here, I do find an underlying force of vindictive viciousness and malice dictating criticisms - most of the time, but just pretending to be neutral and harmless.

Here it is, mutual patting and a true new low -

arasi wrote: Sachi and Ranganayaki, Nick,
You are a breath of fresh air in this toxic atmosphere Someone open those windows wide to let in some air!

AND, shut that front door so as to not allow more of rubbish from folks who like to watch an ugly scene, even at the peril of pledging their own dignity, temporary as it may be, like a sot bad mouthing people he respects and cares for, in his inebriate state

That we have an increased number of membership suddenly is no matter for us to feel happy...

Ranganayaki · Post by **Ranganayaki** » 30 Jun 2015, 11:01

Some music?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVqu1TaVGk

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 30 Jun 2015, 11:21

"This video is not available. Sorry about that."

Ponbhairavi · Post by **Ponbhairavi** » 30 Jun 2015, 13:09

Ganesh_mourthy, Your post 258. Sorry I overlooked.
thanks.I am an old pondicherian. May be I may know your father if he had any french or music connection.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 30 Jun 2015, 13:20

alright folks, calm down, take your fingers off the key board, take a deep breath and walk away from it.

The conversation here is deteriorating and we are fighting among us. For what? I think all the opinions have been expressed, attacked and analyzed. What remains is one member taking objection to another members statement and the subsequent back and forth. It is not healthy.

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 30 Jun 2015, 14:03

Pon bairavi

I am sure we bumped into each other at least a few times -, not knowing that we would be exchanging ideas here. Pondicherry is such a small town.

I would like to recallect an embarrassing exp here.

That was a time when there were no whatsapp , skype, sms, mobiles, or not even computers. I am talking about 80's.The out of the grid past. Epistles made your day, silent and powerful.

It was also the penfriends eara and it was fashionable to have a few -those ananymous faces to whom you can be open and frank ( not safer these days). After having had a friend for a long time from Bangalore ( we shared a common interest in Tennis, passionate rather) I wanted to meet him when I visited Bangalore and tat was my first visit. Unfortunately , my taxi driver hit a man who was crossing the road with a staggering walk , carrying a couple of campa cola bottles. He was infuriated with my taxi driver and they were exchanging expletives , which turned out like a brawl. It was not easy to calm them and to move away .

And , when I finally reached my penfriend's house, I was taken aback to see the same old man. Actually , he was bringing the campa cola for me. ....

Ponbairavi , I will make sure I will second you in your opinions, whatever. Or At least, no personal attacks, ......well, I never do that. You could be someone who I often run into among the myriad of peole living in the vicinity.

VK

You could close the thread.

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 30 Jun 2015, 15:02

@ganesh_mourthy Your experience prompted me to consider writing something here (a clear violation of my restraining orders) :

It has reminded me of a certain phenomenon (one amply visible here) called the "Online Dis-inhibition Effect" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_di ... ion_effect

And here's a very useful article on the phenomenon of http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... -tim-adams
"How the internet created an age of rage"

For some of the truly finest examples - take a hot topic in the TOI, go to the comments section, see for yourself. Then, go to your psychiatrist, get treated for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

.

Additionally, meditate for one week to clear the trash out of your memory, and if that doesn't work seriously consider some brain formatting.

With that, I'm outta here! Off to the vaggeyakaras thread, where I hope I may finally listen to some music sans noise, especially that of a contemporary genius! Au Revoir!

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 30 Jun 2015, 16:30

SrinathK wrote: For some of the truly finest examples - take a hot topic in the TOI, go to the comments section, see for yourself. Then, go to your psychiatrist, get treated for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder .

With that, I'm outta here! Off to the vaggeyakaras thread, where I hope I may finally listen to some music sans noise, especially that of a contemporary genius! Au Revoir!

Specialist in hit-and-run !

How do psychiatrists treat such cases?

Ranganayaki · Post by **Ranganayaki** » 30 Jun 2015, 18:26

My post # 306 was a response to what was happening in 301-303 where people we know well and who contribute to nice discussions were descending into a squabble. I had composed and just waited to finish listening to the Charukesi piece before posting. It did inform me about a new post - 305 - but I chose to post, to bring the focus back to the music. It was not a response to 305. I want to say this because otherwise the post gets a different, more provocative, bite-back flavour.

Kolenidhi, you have been here less than a month and made 6 posts and you say ugly things about one of our longest standing members here who contributes not just to the discussions and chatter here, but to CM itself. She speaks her mind just as you choose to do. Are you one of those people who can't stand it when someone says kind things? In fact she was actually expressing her pain. I'm almost certain the other two whom she addressed saw that too, and are not so immature that they just felt good their back was patted.

Thaye, I consider myself among the "civilised" here and I disagree with you that there is malice or viciousness in our posts. I am uncomfortable with the name-calling, I would not do that, but I do hate the trolling. Those who do name-call are viciously against the trolling. They do otherwise disagree in "civilised" ways. They are not vicious.

I think it is inappropriate to trash an artist who has received an honor, or to say that someone else ought to have got it. Doing that shows a lack of grace and does no service to the artist you are trying to hold up. The way to meaningfully criticise an artist is to say that YOU don't like their style because.. You don't say that the artist is no good or someone else is better.

Mod, don't you agree that this thread is ugly enough and has no chance of getting better? Please lock it.

ganesh_mourthy · Post by **ganesh_mourthy** » 30 Jun 2015, 19:13

It is a shame that we had been causing many threads to be locked, only to storm out and gather in another thread for a brawl. I see a terrible climate change and we are losing the sense of communal feeling in us. It irks to write with a feeling that anything you say might be read between the lines, and thrown back at you coated with bitterness. It left a bad taste in our mouth , recently , everywhere. I am sure locking threads is not a solution anymore, becaus this is going to continue somewhere , because there is this harboring grudge laced to the thread, even as we move from thread to thread. That is the problem. We should agree to disregard if the topic goes beyond agreement and disagreements. Esp where there are personal attacks.
Disregard the post and if the person is simply bent on attacking on a personal level disregard the person itself arbitrarily, instead of feeding with loaded retaliation. Retaliating wittily only gets uglier as it goes. It only implies " yoo-hoo , the venom spewing ball is in your court".

This is a very general and considered thought. I do not mean to offend anyone in particular , but wish to exchange healthy ideas, healthy agreements and healthy disagreement without stooping too low. . if If anyone feels that I am talking condescendingly , I apologize.

Ranganayaki · Post by **Ranganayaki** » 30 Jun 2015, 19:32

I agree, GM, and I had the same thoughts as I posted. But I felt that this particular thread will never get better and the arguments of every side have been beaten to death and now it's a case of flogging a long-dead horse.

You expressed our misery and our concerns really well and were not offensive at all.

Carnaticwriter, in the Patronidhi thread I just discovered, is a great example of how wonderfully one can react when they perceive a personal attack. I loved it.

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 01 Jul 2015, 02:15

This is more than just an award. By giving Sanjay the award well ahead of his time, the Academy has picked him as the Carnatic Musician of his generation. This is probably what keeps harimau's shorts in a knot

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 01 Jul 2015, 05:02

' Mod, don't you agree that this thread is ugly enough and has no chance of getting better? Please lock it.'
There is no second opinion on this. Mod please consider.
Thanjavooran
01 07 2015

srini_pichumani · Post by **srini_pichumani** » 01 Jul 2015, 10:12

raNakaLam ! This thread has gotten so acrimonious & bloodied, that it feels like the good old days of flame wars on Usenet newsgroups.

vEba kshEtrE rasikShEtrE samavEtA yuyutsava:
harimau arasIschaiva kim akurvata Sanjaya !

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 01 Jul 2015, 12:08

kvchellappa wrote:That may be pathetic for you, but really parading almost everybody's name even after MA clarified that they have chosen to alternate youngsters and seniors was pathetic and my sarcasm was in response to that. I hold my head high with my remark.

If all those persons I listed as better qualified is insufficient for you, they could have chosen Pantula Rama who has been wowing the crowds with her virtuosity. There are countless times when she has presented dwi-nadai pallavis with smooth flow from one nadai to the next with absolutely no loss of musicality.

You want to shock the world with your selection? Why not K Gayathri Prasanna, who not only has excellent sruthi suddham but has presented dwi-tala pallavis and who is barely 30, thus pissing off two generations of musicians with the choice?

Of course for a person who cannot maintain even one talam, handling two talams is out of the question as would be two nadais!

But then he sings Tamil songs, as if that alone is sufficient qualification for an award!

tiruppugazh · Post by **tiruppugazh** » 01 Jul 2015, 14:58

Manavaadudaasar is back!!

devan · Post by **devan** » 01 Jul 2015, 16:54

vijaysiva,unnikrishnan,nitysree are not given slots this year academy.tns and his son are not given chance.kunnakudi balamuralikrishna is singing after a gap of two years.of late he plays more mridangam than singing.future tvg and sk.academy is doing a overhauling.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 01 Jul 2015, 16:57

tiruppugazh wrote:Manavaadudaasar is back!!

In Dec 2014, Gayathri Kamakoti 's pallavi was a dwi-tala avadhana pallavi, with Misra Jhampai talam in chatusra nadai on one hand and Tisra matya talam in khanda nadai on the other!

Think up some name to call me for selecting a woman from Kumbakonam as an example of someone who can do better than the tup-tup artist, who can't even maintain 2-kalai adi talam!

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 01 Jul 2015, 17:07

devan wrote:vijaysiva,unnikrishnan,nitysree are not given slots this year academy.tns and his son are not given chance.......academy is doing a overhauling.

Academy is making sure nobody will overshadow their SK designate!

It is like in weddings where all women attendees are expected to dress down a bit less than the bride!

tiruppugazh · Post by **tiruppugazh** » 01 Jul 2015, 17:50

It is sad that the Boreadi brothers are not included by

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hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 01 Jul 2015, 18:48

POST NO.321

How do you know about MA 2015 schedule?

devan · Post by **devan** » 01 Jul 2015, 19:37

the world is small

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 01 Jul 2015, 19:45

harimau wrote:It is like in weddings where all women attendees are expected to dress down a bit less than the bride!

Dressing down a bit less would be dressing up a bit more, right??

rupavathi · Post by **rupavathi** » 03 Jul 2015, 12:05

hnbhagavan wrote:POST NO.321
How do you know about MA 2015 schedule?

It is privileged information, on a strict need-to-know basis, until Nov 15th

(and btw, I can corroborate the truth of post 321

)

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 03 Jul 2015, 12:12

From Thuglakh (excerpts):
(an unsual coverage)
“A right title for the right person
The rasikas are impartial. They go after good music wherever it is. Before the virtuosity gets the attention of the critics and music lobbies, it gets known among the rasikas by word of mouth. That happened with MMI and Somu.
Sanjay’s fame spread in this manner. For all that, he does not have a good voice. He moulded it by hard practice and his extraordinary intelligence. It has been a Herculean achievement.
Congratulations to the Music Academy and Sanjay.”
Chandran

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 06 Jul 2015, 18:22

A lovely interview:
http://www.sparkthemagazine.com/?p=9267
Down to earth:
13. What are the challenges a professional Carnatic musician faces on his way up to the coveted Sangeetha Kalanidhi-dom?

Plenty – Opportunities, politics, acceptance by the audience, health and fitness…..

vallknowme · Post by **vallknowme** » 07 Jul 2015, 06:17

Congratulations, Sanjay!

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 21 Jul 2015, 12:20

rupavathi wrote:
hnbhagavan wrote:POST NO.321
How do you know about MA 2015 schedule?
It is privileged information, on a strict need-to-know basis, until Nov 15th
(and btw, I can corroborate the truth of post 321 )

Not really.

Those who have been selected can and usually inform their family and friends.

Thus information leaks out.

An NRI musician who is now an RI (or Resident NRI) is supposed to have been promoted to the 7 pm senior slot.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 21 Jul 2015, 13:41

Putting one and one together, he may be the disciple of the topic here, as he has been the recipient of best singer year after year.

devan · Post by **devan** » 21 Jul 2015, 17:18

He is also promoted.two nris who are now ri.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 21 Jul 2015, 20:49

I got my first whiff of info about a new promotion on April 9. A couple of weeks later, attending a concert, I heard the news about TNS and his son being excluded.

While inclusion is spread by the musician himself, exclusion cannot be figured out unless you have info on all the slots. Thus, exclusions are leaked by people in the know who want you to know that they are in the know!

GNB_LGJ_PR · Post by **GNB_LGJ_PR** » 05 Aug 2015, 00:42

Congratulations to Sanjay Subrahmanyan on the SK award.

SK at 47....beating GNB - 48 , Dwaram - 48 and equalling MMI. Soooooper!!!

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 04 Dec 2015, 08:42

From The Hindu today:
A qualified Chartered Accountant, Sanjay with his unflinching belief in the authenticity of the Carnatic tradition has proven with every concert that it is approach, hard work and training that matter. A master of nuance, he has endeared himself to music-lovers with his voice of power and passion, vintage style and novel interpretation of classic ragas. Reasons enough for him to join the illustrious galaxy of musicians such Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar, G.N. Balasubramaniam and M.L. Vasanthkumari who were conferred the title before they turned 50.

Sivagamasundari · Post by **Sivagamasundari** » 14 Dec 2015, 13:51

We rasikas are extremely happy that it's Sanjay . Somebody whom we could relate to a person who has proved himself by hard work, and Asura Sadhakam .The younger generation will definitely understand that hard work and knowledge is what matters today
In a decade when even leading musicians leave the gen next confused with their daring comments on MS Amma I think the message that Sanjay gives in his interviews in his concerts are commendable. This to the Academy

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 14 Dec 2015, 22:52

Well, he was compared to Semmangudi somewhere for his uzhaippu (love of labor), and that alone assures him the place in the future to be called the pitAmahA. Add all the other qualities which this bright and imaginative musician has been adding on diligently to get even better in his assets. SemmanguDi's nasal and Sanjay's 'tup tup' (as heard by some super rasikA or other)!

Sanjay's occasionally bringing in an MMI's 'tara lallA' phrase in an AlApanA only adds to the liveliness of his music. MMI in that aspect

harahari · Post by **harahari** » 14 Dec 2015, 23:50

Awww ! Come on , pls don't compare pedestrian Sanjay to the greats SSI or MMI . Romba overa irukku madam

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 15 Dec 2015, 01:55

harahari wrote:Awww ! Come on , pls don't compare pedestrian Sanjay to the greats SSI or MMI . Romba overa irukku madam

Ha, I bet someone years ago compared MMI with another star of the times and said the same about "Pedestrian" Mani from Madurai...

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 15 Dec 2015, 08:54

Harimau--I mean harahari,
"Pedestrian"??

You were perhaps not born when I heard those dear departed in concert, the ones whom you adore (and how we adored and adore them to this day!). After them, is it verboten to appreciate the music of any others who followed them so that we can keep praising the old and keep the gates locked for the new generation to ever attain the heights which the old ones could soar to?

My generation appreciated good music then, and continues to do so. Itdoesn't mean--merit belongs only to those of yore. Let's say AriyakkuDi. MMI and Ari enthralled the audience. SSI took time to warm up. Their spirited singing and SSI's earlier concerts can't be compared at all. SSI by his sheer sAdhakam and perseverance reached the pinnacle. In that aspect, yes, Sanjay can be compared to SSI.

Pedestrian? Come,come!

KNV1955 · Post by **KNV1955** » 15 Dec 2015, 09:28

Like Ariyakudi & SSI Sanjay's singing is energetic & power packed till the main item. Plesantly his voice becomes soothing after the main which makes his post main selections ( I hate to use the term Thukkada) & viruttam rendering soul filling particularly the Tamizh songs he chooses to sing. IMO it was the same with Ariyakudi & Semmangudi. Also amongst his generation he is the only one with a fairly large repertoire of Swati Tirunal Kritis & includes atleast one kriti of the composer in his concerts. Congratulations to Sanjay on his well deserved honour.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 15 Dec 2015, 10:42

An out-of-context anecdote.
A Tamizar scientist settled in USA is married to an American. He is a connoisseur in CM. A friend of him asked him whether his wife appreciates CM. He replied, 'Kazhuthaikkku theiruma karpura vasanai?'

varsha · Post by **varsha** » 15 Dec 2015, 11:29

Perhaps even more important are the differences in behaviour. Even horse owners acknowledge that donkeys are more intelligent. They are much easier to train than horses are, but cannot be trained so far. They are more willing to work, but less willing to perform. It is said that it is possible to command a horse, but with a donkey it is necessary to negotiate.

http://www.fastonline.org/CD3WD_40/LSTO ... er%201.htm

As a donkey lover , I strongly protest .

MV · Post by MV » 15 Dec 2015, 12:29

Firstly, I have to say that I have missed this thread after the initial visit thinking it would just be an outpouring of Congratulations to the new SK. Obviously not. Boy, some tornado here! As Arasi says, Nick, R Sachi and Ranganayaki have added some perspective to the flying asteroids here. (As you can see I am getting ready for The Force Awakens)

But now that I am here, can I add my 2 cents. Having given it to TVG last year, this year was clearly a young-er vocalist. That does rule out Ravikiran and having given it to SR recently, it rules out women. That narrows it to SS and TMK, in my view. SS being the senior of the two, it was probably him this year. For all you know, it might have been as simple as that because there is no denying the merit of any of these musicians. No, I have no connections to MA and No, I am not making any excuses for their choice. But I'd be lying if I didn't say I was thrilled with the SK this year (flaws and all, eh Harimau)

Its like the Oscars some years like when The Wild Swan won Best Pic or Cate Blanchett won for Blue Jasmine. The 5 nominations were all outstanding and you are just thankful that you are not on the Panel

satishsatish · Post by **satishsatish** » 16 Dec 2015, 02:14

#344 wherein KV Chellappa quotes an off-context anecdote that goes:
A Tamizar scientist settled in USA is married to an American. He is a connoisseur in CM. A friend of him asked him whether his wife appreciates CM. He replied, 'Kazhuthaikkku theiruma karpura vasanai?'

Set aside the claim it is purported to be an anecdote.

In any reasonable and mature circle, be it in India or elsewhere, there would have been outrage over an individual associating women to donkeys, as KV Chellapa has above. That the woman in this anecdote is an American doesn't make it any less noxious.
Replace American to another community (or caste/sect), another nationality, etc. In that land of many divisions, replace it with what you belong to.
Would it be tolerated it as the above has been here?

Why then the silence from the members here?
why aren't men and women outraged and at arms?
why are we not clamoring for this idiot, KV Chellappa, to be reprimanded, put on notice, kicked out?

MaheshS · Post by **MaheshS** » 16 Dec 2015, 04:35

satishsatish wrote:#344 wherein KV Chellappa quotes an off-context anecdote that goes:
A Tamizar scientist settled in USA is married to an American. He is a connoisseur in CM. A friend of him asked him whether his wife appreciates CM. He replied, 'Kazhuthaikkku theiruma karpura vasanai?'

Set aside the claim it is purported to be an anecdote.

In any reasonable and mature circle, be it in India or elsewhere, there would have been outrage over an individual associating women to donkeys, as KV Chellapa has above. That the woman in this anecdote is an American doesn't make it any less noxious.
Replace American to another community (or caste/sect), another nationality, etc. In that land of many divisions, replace it with what you belong to.
Would it be tolerated it as the above has been here?

Why then the silence from the members here?
why aren't men and women outraged and at arms?
why are we not clamoring for this idiot, KV Chellappa, to be reprimanded, put on notice, kicked out?

??? Where did you get the women = donkey? Aren't you going out of your way to take offence?

satishsatish · Post by **satishsatish** » 16 Dec 2015, 05:55

MaheshS: Are you serious in questioning the link between women and donkeys in that anecdotal anecdote?

Put it this way, if KV Chellappa or you were to share that anecdote in public, replacing say American woman with someone else, say an Indian or Tamil or <insert what you please> woman, you'd rightly get excoriated, hounded out.

This is not the first time I've seen what is unacceptable in civilized society be tolerated, even endorsed and enabled by others at this forum.
Guess what, perhaps it makes sense for me to disseminate widely and to the public what passes as acceptable in rasikas.org. And let the wider community then react as they may with these jokes and the pathetic losers that post them.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 16 Dec 2015, 06:17

varsha wrote:
Perhaps even more important are the differences in behaviour. Even horse owners acknowledge that donkeys are more intelligent. They are much easier to train than horses are, but cannot be trained so far. They are more willing to work, but less willing to perform. It is said that it is possible to command a horse, but with a donkey it is necessary to negotiate.

Equally, it is necessary to negotiate with the husband!

PS. I was going to say 'wife' but then saw the comment about misogyny and so changed it to 'husband'!