Suggestions for quiz

ranjani · Post by **ranjani** » 26 Jan 2007, 05:32

Dr Shrikanth,
Im very disapointed that I got very low scores in the last round. Now I don't stand a chance, so dont think I will participate next round.
Sorry.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Jan 2007, 14:00

ranjani wrote:Now I don't stand a chance, so dont think I will participate next round.

Ranjani. By participating, you stand a chance of sharing the joy of being part of the fun exercise. You stand a chance of challenging your brain cells to work more and to polish your skills of retrieving information from both your memory store and from resources on and offline.

I say it again- this quiz is about participating and learning. Not about winning. I do hope you will do the next round as well.

Now I wish I had not put up anyone's scores till the end.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Jan 2007, 14:09

ramakriya wrote:The point I am trying to make is that there are compositions which violate this 'one time use' rule which Subburama Dikshitar cites. As I remember, even the Adi tALa varna in Sriraga (sAmi ninnE) as I was taught ( not that I can sing it now!), had two instances of 's n,, p d n p m' - once in the sAhitya and one in the last ettugaDe swara.

Ramakriya- I can see where you are coming from. As for the SSP publishing the kRtis of eTTayapura maharAja- the equation is different there as you can well see. subbarAma dIkShitar's patron this king was. SD would hardly be in a position to point mistakes or reject his kRtis on grounds of errors in musical content. Dont get me wrong, some of eTTEndra's kRtis are beautiful. But I cannot overlook mistakes as Iam not in the same position as SD

SrIrAga varNa- interesting you mention it her and good in a way. In this varNa- there are 2 instance where the composer has taken liberties with rules- both relating to SrIrAga. One is the use of D twice- I can partly see how this happened. He had toshow this in ettugaDe swaras. the othe rhe put in the sAhitya part. It appears that he treated the pUrvAnga and uttarAnga as separate units. Be that as it may, another "error" in the varNa is the use of the phrase "PMRS" in one of the ettugaDe swaras. This is without a doubt a wrong usage and iam sure the composer knew it well. But he took the liberty to suit the patterns he was weaving (Every quarter Avarta in this particular swara). That still does not justify or legitimize the use of this phrase in SrIrAga which reeks of madhyamAvati. Ask any maestro musician out there and that what they will say. They will not use this phrase in swaraprastAra.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Jan 2007, 14:12

The point Iam making is, no doubt some people will take liberties, particularly master musicians- but we cannot dismiss the rules here. By saying its Ok, we are risking the high possibilty of misinforming and misleading majoriy of rasikas. Its not on to break rules wily-nily just because a master musician/composer too a liberty knowingly.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 26 Jan 2007, 23:52

So Whats up? How come the thread has gone all quiet? Come on, I need more input as to when to put up the next round.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:07

I think Rajeshnat wanted it later because of the repulic day holiday; Earier few people had mentioned that weekends would not be too well timed. So may be Monday?

-Ramakriya

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:14

ramakriya wrote:I think Rajeshnat wanted it later because of the repulic day holiday; Earier few people had mentioned that weekends would not be too well timed. So may be Monday?

-Ramakriya

You said it all...
Weekends...That's my day of rest.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:21

Re question 7- tyAgarAja visited Madras once on the way to tirupati in 1839. He stayed over at the house of kOvUr sundara mudaliyAr- a music patron. Its here that he sang the dEvagAndhAri on 7 successive evenings(6 or 8 according to some accounts) and sang a newly composed kRti in the rAga on each day. That must have shut up some of the wagging tongues that had said he was only fit to sing bhajans.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:24

Suji Ram wrote:You said it all...
Weekends...That's my day of rest.

O Quiz is work for you guys. Did not realise that

I thought I did all the work and people came in just for the fun part

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:26

Surprising to hear this happened when he was around 70 years, and even at this time there were some who were debating his capabilities!

-Ramakriya

sridevi · Post by **sridevi** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:27

I am ready for the next round..

Sridevi

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:27

O I was just making a general comment. I havent heard that someone specifically said it at that time when he was 70. ANyway wagging tongues will always wag

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:28

Thats the spirit Sridevi

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:30

drshrikaanth wrote:O I was just making a general comment. I havent heard that someone specifically said it at that time when he was 70. ANyway wagging tongues will always wag

That was the inference I made - from his DOB. And none of the kOvUr pancharatnas is in dEvagAndhAri, right?

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:32

ramakriya wrote:That was the inference I made - from his DOB.

Hey. Give me a break

And none of the kOvUr pancharatnas is in dEvagAndhAri, right?

Nope. The kOvUr pancaratna was sung when he visited kOvUr, not when he visited the kOvUr mudaliyAr

The mudaliyAr lived on Bunder street.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 27 Jan 2007, 00:52

drshrikaanth wrote:
Suji Ram wrote:You said it all...
Weekends...That's my day of rest.
O Quiz is work for you guys. Did not realise that I thought I did all the work and people came in just for the fun part

Not many people have responded when they want the quiz.

As for the weekend....I usually pretend I am not crazy about CM atleast these two days..

I'm ready if others want it today!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 01:01

No it wont be today for sure. I have enough work for 3 days myself so I am ok. Either tomorrow night or Monday night I should think

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 03:13

Regarding gAndhAra in Arabhi. This is a weak swara, not at all prominent and is not at all a jIvaswara. SO it is never sung a a jaNTi swara- duplex and never elongated(except by a master composer like tyAgarAja in the pancaratna where he uses "SRMG,R". But this swara is such that you cannot skip it while singing. So there is no alpatva with respect to this swara. Compare with niShAda in the rAga which also is a very weak swara and never duplicated. The difference is that this swara can be and is indeed often skipped(langhana) with no detriment to the rAgabhAva as is again evident from the pancaratna kRti.

In contrast, the gAndhAra can be elongated in the 2 allied rAgas dEvagAndhAri and sAma.

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 27 Jan 2007, 04:31

drshrikaanth wrote:Compare with niShAda in the rAga which also is a very weak swara and never duplicated. The difference is that this swara can be and is indeed often skipped(langhana) with no detriment to the rAgabhAva as is again evident from the pancaratna kRti.

Does Tyagaraja do this skipping more often than other composers?

I find one of his compositions, nA morAlanu vini very different from other Arabhi kritis in its flow. IIRC this kritis also has lot os nishAda skipping. (may be even completely)

Are there any renditions of this kritis apart from BMKs?

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 27 Jan 2007, 04:32

ramakriya wrote:Does Tyagaraja do this skipping more often than other composers?

I havent noticed that.

Suji Ram · Post by **Suji Ram** » 27 Jan 2007, 04:39

There is a Arabhi Geetam without N
- rE rE Sri rAma

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 27 Jan 2007, 05:38

coolkarni wrote:Abhogi ... ramakriyas explanation was very relevant to me--(Latching on to ...)
Boy I ran BMk's abhogi valaji RTP a 100 times in my mind before deciding abhogi.

Please take a look at the graha bhEda thread , post# 125

http://www.rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=633&p=5

I am really interested to see what trick mind plays

-Ramakriya

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 28 Jan 2007, 15:30

Suji Ram wrote:There is a Arabhi Geetam without N
- rE rE Sri rAma

i dont think sAdinchanE has either.

ksrimech · Post by **ksrimech** » 30 Jan 2007, 07:02

Dr Murthy garu: When are you coming up with the next round of Audio? I'm eagerly waiting. I hope others also want the same. Thank you.

rasam · Post by **rasam** » 30 Jan 2007, 08:58

Just curious, how does one define the "absence" of N?

In Arabhi, one will rarely use N3 distinctly (as a flat note), but the gamakam for D2 in certain avarohanam phrases will usually have a tinge of N3 (as in SND or SNSD) even if you intentionally avoid N3.

This may not be obvious while singing, but one cannot escape this while playing an instrument.

vijay · Post by **vijay** » 30 Jan 2007, 10:21

I am waiting for the audio round too...

ramakriya · Post by **ramakriya** » 30 Jan 2007, 23:30

Me too.. When is the next round coming up?

-Ramakriya

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 31 Jan 2007, 05:59

Planning to put the next round up tomorrow

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 31 Jan 2007, 20:41

The next round is getting ready- will come up midnight today

I can sense pent up excitement and enthusiasm here.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 01 Feb 2007, 05:12

Friends. get ready for the 4th round of the rasikashri quiz. We are nearly finished now.
Will be posting this at midnight. This will be an audio round. And you will all have 48 hours to send in your replies.

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 01 Feb 2007, 05:17

I have uploade all files on Rogepost and uploadr. Same like last time. Also, I have zipped all files together and uploaded separately in case peoplle prefer that. Please Number the answers correctly. I cannot accept names against wron entries. So agaiin

PLease specify numbers and subdivisions accurately

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 01 Feb 2007, 05:38

Friends
In this round particularly, the question numbers are crucial. I want you all to number your answers accurately. As you will understand, I cannot grant any marks if they are not numbered. (E.g allied rAgas, I wont know which you have identified as which you have not numbered). SO, no number= no marks. Thanks for your interest and cooperation

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 01 Feb 2007, 05:46

With regard to the folk songs- you will find that many of the songs are easily identifiable. Avoid listening to the whole song as folk songs often have a mixture of rAgas or lots of foreign notes. I want you all to identify the rAga in the clips I have given.

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 01 Feb 2007, 16:07

Great to hear the quiz is back on.

Now got to carefully listen to all those tricky clips...

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 01 Feb 2007, 22:13

DRS - a clarification question on the quiz.
For question 5 where we are asked to identify the ragas based on the embellishments to the notes, you have indicated the 3+2 subquestions as:
Nishada 1
Nishada 2
Nishada 3

Rishabha 1
Rishabha 2

Are you referring to the specific swarasthanas themselves or just the swaras? i.e. Does the audio clip against 'Nishada 1' refer to the specific note N1 or just the Nishada swaram?

Please clarify. Thanks.

sridevi · Post by **sridevi** » 01 Feb 2007, 22:25

Some of them are tough nuts to crack ( At least for me... ) but I still have time ( and hence, Hope

Sridevi

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 01 Feb 2007, 23:02

3 entries received so far.

Jayaram- the numbers are only indicative of question numbers- not the N1, N2 N3 as in swarasthAnas. Same for RShabha. Good luck

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 01 Feb 2007, 23:19

Shri - thanks for the clarification.

coolkarni · Post by **coolkarni** » 02 Feb 2007, 07:12

hey
gdg
you are supposed to send the answers to drs at his email id.
posting here means No quiz !!everyone gets to read the answers.
I understand you might have done it inadvertently so I have removed the post.

gdg · Post by **gdg** » 02 Feb 2007, 07:14

i've sent it to him. thanks.

shripathi_g · Post by **shripathi_g** » 02 Feb 2007, 12:25

Can you forward it to me? I didn't get a chance to see it.

Thanks.

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 02 Feb 2007, 13:29

quite a tough set actually. m waiting for the answers DRS...

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 02 Feb 2007, 14:31

Tremedous response from new entrants at this stage! 13 received so far- ammamaha, jignyaasa, lakshman, Ramakriya, Vasya10, gdg, venkatpv, Arunk, Rasam, SahanaVasud, Sripathi_G, ksrimech, Rbharath.

Others- You have till midnight to send in your answers. Keep it up.

Friends
Do NOT send alternate or multiple answers. I have already stated this and yet some have given me choices to pick from. Those who have sent in multilpe answers for any question, please re-submit with ONE answer only,

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 02 Feb 2007, 22:27

3 more entries received. hurry up folks. Severel oldtimers' entries are still pending!

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 02 Feb 2007, 23:18

DRS,
Did you receive mine.... I am about to sleep???

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 02 Feb 2007, 23:28

Received Vijay, vrbadri, Rajeshnat

Have a good night's sleep Rajesh.

Updated at 1940 GMT- Shanks, Sridevi

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 03 Feb 2007, 05:18

Friends.
Its nearly finishing time now. Will put up answers shortly.

Two more entries received- Suji Ram & Mohan. Those who havent sent yet, better hurry up!

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 03 Feb 2007, 05:29

shri - just sent you my answers. phew, that was close!

drshrikaanth · Post by **drshrikaanth** » 03 Feb 2007, 05:30

Yep- Last but not the least Jayaram.

jayaram · Post by **jayaram** » 03 Feb 2007, 05:33

it's all your fault! you always include at least one tricky question.