History of rasikas.org and its future

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kssr
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I too join many others , who are veterans, to welcome Sri.(ex-)coolji back. I use the name as it is easier to spell it without mistake than the new mang... :)

Reading thro' the various posts on this heading, one cannot but wonder the deep passion that runs in a section of the group, which has also been alive for extended periods of 10-15 years. It is heartening to associate with this elite group.

With regard to the opinion that rasikas are a strong force, it is difficult to understand how they can be an active instrument in bringing about change,if that is meant by the poster. There is no doubt that we are an important group, next to the composers and musicians and organisers, and without us the kutcheri format cannot function. But it is and probably will continue to be a passive group.

It is however an excellent opportunity thro' the mediums like rasikas. com to share our experiences and delight derived from concerts, music recordings, etc., Also a place for learning from each other in matters related to technicalities of CM. That is where it will be nice to have more musicians in the group.

It may lead ( or has already led) to several private meetings/ get togethers/ lunches (!), for further interaction of this like minded group. Also possible is to organise concerts in select places- share expenses and so on. (Without any modification, it is even today a very beautiful organisation. )

For the longevity of this group, it may help that it is run as any other cultural service organisation- sabha?- with a core group of people as a management team. It may be better than being run as just a propreitary website owned by one person.

These are just free rolling thoughts for the veterans to think about. Let old stories good and bitter and ideas for future keep flowing!!

Sathej
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Post by Sathej »

Welcome back Cool ji..nice to have you back..

Sathej

maduraimini
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Post by maduraimini »

Arasi,
Well said ! You gave us, the forumites, a glimpse of how this garden grows - in a nut shell- in a flowery language.
As you say, each and every one of you tend the garden in different ways and we get to enjoy the flowers and fruits!

arasi
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And you in turn! Thanks for the kind words, but the silent life forces of this forum have to be thanked for all the bounty here. I was new once, like you, but more than contributing (mainly by the number of posts!), I've been learning quite a bit here since joining Rasikas. It helped me focus (well, somewhat!) on music after all those years of near-exile (living abroad), away from the music scene (the past several years, my season concert sprees have helped a great deal as well). The expertise that some of the forumites half my age possess amazes me. And the friends I've made here! Before no-nonsense pundits shoo me off, I will say this. If the forum at any point wants to oust me, you would find me firmly lodged in one of our lounge chairs, refusing to budge ;)
Yes, the garden has to grow, and we have unlimited resources of experts and enthusiasts here to tend to it. Forgetting flowery speech and getting to the nitty gritty, we need to bring in more rasikas for CM and keep it going strong, especially when so many youngsters are keen on it and are learning it avidly, some aspiring to be performers. We have plenty of existing performers, some of them in their golden years, some young, still waiting to be recognized, and more are coming up! We need to have large number of rasikAs to listen to all of them. If Rasikas is going to help in the widespread awareness of CM, what more can we ask for? If because of us, thirty people show up for a good concert instead of a handful, that's a very good start!

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Post by mankuthimma »

it is difficult to understand how they can be an active instrument in bringing about change,if that is meant by the poster
Bringing about change in rasikas . Not the artists :)
For instance ,We went through a viruttam exercise long long ago and ever since many folks have told me that Viruttam phases -in concerts-were no longer the " simple sensual , ragaamalika sections signaling the end of the concert.
We will be going through it again and let us know if you feel the difference.
We could bring in a change by developing a healthy respect for the challenges facing the modern day artist. Not having the luxury of a committed audience , having to sing krithis against the backdrop of images of the same by past masters , singing to an audience that expects so much , it is a part of training for ourselves to appreciate the efforts of the ones we have before us.
The past masters were great , no doubt .But we have a legacy to continue and propagate.
Add to this a dash of exotic nature of the literary aspect of CM and there is a whole new world to be explored like never before.
Some day I would expect nick to be poring over English-Tamil dictionaries trying to figure out what a makakavi or rshankar has to say about some poets muse somewhere here.
That is the beauty of all this. The coming together of all streams .
Ever heard vachanas being sung by Ranjani Hebbar . Rasikas.org is probably the only tool online where you can back from one of her concerts , ask a query , get the best answers and probably be wiser to the fact that Srirangam Gopalrathnam sang vachans too , many decades ago. Like to hear it ?
Are you one of those who frown on present day composers ? There are subtle issues related to that even.
This and so many more things ....

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If I may suggest, Sri Kulkarni, for the benefit of late entrants like me, please write about how you came to be so involved with carnatic music, your familiarity with the various languages employed in it. Thank you.

kssr
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Post by kssr »

mankuthimma wrote: Bringing about change in rasikas . Not the artists :)
If that is meant by the earlier post, I fully agree. I have also mentioned that thro' the forum all rasikas learn "to enjoy" (rasikka) better! Also, there is an ocean out there, for us to learn. We are just like the cat trying to fully consume the ocean of milk by licking- a Kambaramayanam simile :)

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:geek: ,

When the first two or three posts appeared from mankuthimma , another forumite sent me a mail asking if by any chance mankuthimma is indeed cool . I just answered not 100% sure , but I was very curious when mankuthimma wrote little more about in the few threads that appears never ending, the style of language, the viewpoints were all of typeset :geek:

I casually searched google with the id mankuthimma in the google. I was close to say 75% sure that it was you after reading the link .When there was a comment by you, about manakkAl rangarajan award connecting TTK award, I was close to 90% sure.

Welcome shri sashi kulkarni , delighted that you are back, we need your carnatic lateral thinking :geek: hat, to cure our thought process constipation!! .Let me listen to your 3 viruththams, and add my comments there.
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Post by mankuthimma »

rajesh
90 % sure because of the red herring that I posted against your comments about GNB style being ...
Which I did deliberately ..

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Shyamapriya
I will try to be as brief as possible. Which is not guaranteeing much. :clap:

I come from a place called Harihar in Karnataka which lies on the borders of what were once three different states .
It even had a flourishing Machine tool Company where knowledge of Marathi was essential to move up the ranks :)
In Kannada land.

So it is a city where Hindi , Marathi , Kannada ,Telugu co-exist. Tamil was predominantly brought in by Higher level executives in those companies as well the steel plant at Bhadravathi , not far off.

I was brought up under a heavy dose of Bhajans in Vittal Mandirs and the periodic rituals associated with the temple there . Even to this day , one can hear the distintive sounds of bhajans being sung in some household or the other , in the evenings.
I owe my initial concerts to the magnificent work done by RK Srikantan in popularising CM in those Hindusthani bastions.
He is the ultimate Bheeshma Pitamaha for me , in a way.

When I Came to Chennai for a job ,My Dad , who was an Industrial Engineer with Telco , pushed to me to collect Concert Music from the big time Collectors of Chennai. Recordings were difficult to come by . A quality with collectors that has always baffled me.

I spent years and years of painful recording at Umapathy street with a kind gentleman called Vijayraghavan and slowly managed to build a library of over 3000 tapes.
I am yet to own a house anywhere on planet earth but have a few hard discs to show for my effort :)
We - Dad and myself - both were voracious listeners - He having grown up on the staple diet offered by Bangalore in the 40s and 50s . I was groomed to listen , first by my Grandma Who had learnt from a Veena vidwan at Maddur and then the AIR stations of Dharwar and Bhadravathi.

Dad also had a passion for indexing and tabulating and so he had all these tapes indexed artistwise , concert wise , ragawise , Krithiwise. That was an age when we did not foresee a database application doing these in a jiffy.And so it was a labor of love.Some day I will scan a page and show you.

Each index was wonderfully written , using the same pen and brand of ink for over two decades.
Each tape had a special cover made for it with rarest of rare photographs pasted on them . Those tapes still lie in their specially made cabinets.
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f50fd517-5227 ... 18a/letter
Dad passed away just as the computers started invading our lives .In 1998 I started converting them to Mp3.
Tharak Raman was the first to train me in these matters.Then came along others .After Raju Asokan I did not have to see any other expert. With each artist that I got interested in , I came to know a new person intensely.
Srkris with Alathoor/Chembai , Delhi Muthukumar with TRS/TMT/SK , GB Rajasekhar with GNB , Bhavadharini/Navneeth For MSS and so on .Today I must be having atleast a hundred friends all over the globe , related to this interest.

It took me another ten years to convert all of them . Sharing now became easy and one got more than what was taken away.
This resulted in the so called Golden age exploding on my face .

So many masters !!!!.All operating at the same time .Each one differentiating him(herself) with that daintiest of touches.

Back in the 80s I had the privilege of staying next door to Thanjavur Sankara Iyer And I had watched the proceedings from a Master Craftsmans angle. He made it look easy
Now I was Looking at it from the students / junior artists angle.These guys showed me how difficult it was.

I started to be of use to some artists too and with time I had a fine bunch of student-artists visiting me and me visiting them.
It was then that my interests took its most significant turn.

One fine day I ended up at Narada Gana Sabha debating the future of CM . I had the privilege of debating with the likes of
Radha Bhaskar , PSN , Sriram Parasuram and Mrs Sulochana Pattabhiraman- Courtesy Sasikiran - Ramnathan of Carnatica.
Again very original innovators in popularising CM
All that I have tried to do since that day is, what I had laid out as solutions, as part of my arguments.

Digitising Recordings , Talking to Elder statesmen-like-Musicians who were on the fringe of our Conscience :( ,
( Manakkal ,TRS , Sankara Iyer , GS Mani , Kalpagam Mami )
Holding chamber Music sessions , Holding Jam sessions ( free for all - sing , dance , play what you like )

I have lived a charmed life in Chennai , splashing in these waters.On days when I would be very irritable , my wife would drive me around on a route that passed the residences of Musri , MM Iyer , Balchander , just to soothe me . That is the kind of reverberations I get in this city.

Even to this day I just enjoy watching MM Iyer's home at dusk and it glows with such a magical charm !!!

Music has also helped me tide over the pain of losing my parents , both with short notice .To Cancer .
And has emboldened me to face the rigours of bringing up a child with disability.

Music has been the ultimate balm . As my Dad remarked with a twinkle in his eye , hours before passing away : I only wish that this music exists in the place where I am headed for.

Everyday I pinch myself to make sure that such a Music system exists . I must admit that for many years my love for CM stayed balanced with HM , in terms of priority.
But in the last decade or so , I am convinced that Nothing ,I repeat Nothing , is comparable to Carnatic music.
God bless all these practitioners.
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rajeshnat
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mankuthimma wrote:
One fine day I ended up at Narada Gana Sabha debating the future of CM . I had the privilege of debating with the likes of
Radha Bhaskar , PSN , Sriram Parasuram and Mrs Sulochana Pattabhiraman- Courtesy Sasikiran - Ramnathan of Carnatica.
Again very original innovators in popularising CM
All that I have tried to do since that day is, what I had laid out as solutions, as part of my arguments.
:geek:
Time just flies , that symposium I remember "Future of Carnatic Music". Read from post #16 and another 10 posts in this thread , thimma spoke well that day, took about 50 minutes to talk (too much of a late start), but still spoke well.

http://rasikas.org/forums/viewtopic.php? ... ture+of+CM

Lakshman
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It is wonderful to have you back at rasikas Coolkarni.

mankuthimma
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And I forgot to add .We felicitated Lji too.
What a morning that was , in Woodlands . Jampacked Breakfast session . The owner , who has moved into history now , getting wild with us for our boisterous ways .

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Post by PUNARVASU »

shyama-priya wrote:If I may suggest, Sri Kulkarni, for the benefit of late entrants like me, please write about how you came to be so involved with carnatic music, your familiarity with the various languages employed in it. Thank you.
SP, thanks to you, we have Shri Kulkarni writing about his involvement in Music esp. Carnatic Music.
Thank you Shri Kulkarni. I really liked the way you described your musical journey.
And, of course, WELCOME BACK.

arunk
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Coming back to rasikas, there was a Golden age of rasikas.org too . A simple listing of the threads would show the kind of effort that went into making of rasikas.org as one of a kind . Beat it , throw it away , paint it with tar or colors ...whatever you do .One could not take it away from ones mind .
ha, ha :) - Quite true indeed as it is something many (myself included) could relate to times.Its funny that at times. There is an endearing element to this forum - it is same as a feeling to your extended family. There are times some of them, or the atmosphere of it seems bitter or less than great and you get disenchanted. But sooner or later the good parts draw you back in.

Also, I had earlier thought that it would be "better" in terms of eliciting wider participation to simply post links to music than get the same with certain subjects/topics, but as you indicate it isnt that better either and in the end only gets/got you headaches

While the discussions at rasikas.org over the years have certainly been quite top notch and enlightening (and in fact healthier from a broader perspective) compared to sangeetham.com, I still look back fondly to that forum. There was a certain "wildness" to it which made it uniquely interesting (albeit nasty too at times). I guess it probably has more to do with nostalgia - I certainly was younger (in terms of age as a person, as well as age as a rasika) then :tmi:

Welcome back coolji!

Arun

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Post by uday_shankar »

mankuthimma wrote:God bless all these practitioners.
No doubt! Not a week passes when I have not wished for the well-being of some Carnatic musician or other that I'm listening too.

But more, importantly, God bless Shashi Kulkarni, definitely a national treasure ! Music is only one small dimension of the man.

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mankuthimma wrote:
I owe my initial concerts to the magnificent work done by RK Srikantan in popularising CM in those Hindusthani bastions.
He is the ultimate Bheeshma Pitamaha for me , in a way.
Everyday I pinch myself to make sure that such a Music system exists . I must admit that for many years my love for CM stayed balanced with HM , in terms of priority.
But in the last decade or so , I am convinced that Nothing ,I repeat Nothing , is comparable to Carnatic music.
God bless all these practitioners.
Coolji- Very Happy to have read your initiation to CM.
KUDOS to RKS!!!
KUDOs to U & Ur Dad for collecting such huge collections of recordings .

After ur new name in this forum, I am also feeling should i change my name to add SUFFIX to mankuthimma as KAGGA or KIGGA( which is a place near Shringeri). U r welcome to suggest any one of them.
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cmlover
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To supplement Uday..

- a fascinating personality
- a good friend
- a bundle of contradictions
- a psychoanalyst's paradise
- a great father and a great son (*******) (edited)
- a man of letters
- a calculating entrepreneur
- a fighter
- an inspirer
- an optimist
- a rasika ratna (uncut diamond!)
- a donor par excellence

.... and many many more

arasi
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Post by arasi »

Well,
Most of what you say I agree with, but a so-so husband? You say it since he is away from home a lot because of his work? Not fair!

cmlover
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...perhaps I am equating him to myself and my matrimonial experience!

venkatpv
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If only
CML can play less of the prankster and more of the statesman
QED!

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Post by S.NAGESWARAN »

Dear Coolji,

Welcome back to our Rasikas.org Forum.

Absence of your frequent posts with a link for some wonderful music and apt pointers to look in
for some duration of a sanchara to enjoy the music have made me long for your return to the Forum.

The meticulous way in indexing his tape collections made me to follow your father’s way of indexing.

Welcome back once again.

As we are familiar & fond of coolji’s name why should you not come back as “coolji” and
not as “mankuthimma” which I find it difficult to remember and find it difficult to
type without mistake.

S.NAGESWARAN.
29.07.2010.


mahakavi
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venkatpv wrote:>>If only
CML can play less of the prankster and more of the statesman<<

QED!
venkatpv:
Did you mean "quite easily done"? or "Quod erat demonstrandum"? You are inscrutable indeed!

venkatpv
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Post by venkatpv »

I certainly didn't mean Quantum Electro-Dynamics either, for that matter! ;)

cmlover
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There is a prankster :D

Sreeni Rajarao
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Post by Sreeni Rajarao »

Kulkarni Sir,
Good to see you back! Reminds me of the time sometime back when I had started a thread titled what can we do to bring Coolji back (and how the thread was locked!).
Anyway, welcome back!
Sreeni Rajarao

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A hearty welcome to Coolji from a friend far far away

Sam

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VSM Thanks
And to the rest as well , who have always been on my radar.
I prefer to remain as Thimma since I find it difficult to remain Cool .
Manku Kavida Thimma - a Simpleton with a clouded mind.In need of clearing up . Which DVG does for me
http://community.livejournal.com/daily_kagga
http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/ ... pic=2676.0

You can remain as VS Manjunath. Being such a great fan of DKP ,your image as a traditional rasika does not suffer.At the end of the day , all of us are Thimmas , to varying extents :)

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OK, kagga = song
Thimma is probably the name of the hypothetical person (right?)
manku = makku? (in Thamizh makku means an ignoramus or to put it mildly a simpleton)

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on the Spot.
Thimma is one of the most endearing names .Like Gunda
That is why that name was chosen probably .
The song is told very very lovingly

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- a psychoanalyst's paradise
- a great father and a great son (and a so-so spouse :D
Somehow you look like the Psychiatrist ( to me , today ) who is seen in the famous cartoon , telling his patient :
"Maybe you do not have an inferiority complex . Maybe you are really inferior "

Folks. Dont get the wrong impression . I am the happiest married man on earth. A lot of training has gone into it. My late Dad never attended a wedding ceremony. Even of close relatives. The only time he wore non white was on my marriage day - ( the snap you see at ensips) and my sisters wedding.
Couples from various generations would rush to his room after their wedding to take blessings , which would be accompanied by a lecture , tailor made for them - but drawing from the works of Bertand Russel , Northcote Parkinson, James Thurber and Art Buchwald. I was privy to most of them , as long as I was around.
Couples .Who would come again on anniversaries , or with babies ... time and again to discuss this beautiful institution called marriage. It took a fascinating color for a full generation of my relatives too , to understand the import of what he was trying to convey : That it was only the beginning of a journey . Nothing more Nothing less.
So treat it as just one of those pranks.
You can believe the rest of what CML says , though :P

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mankuthimma wrote:VSM Thanks
And to the rest as well , who have always been on my radar.
I prefer to remain as Thimma since I find it difficult to remain Cool .
Manku Kavida Thimma - a Simpleton with a clouded mind.In need of clearing up . Which DVG does for me
http://community.livejournal.com/daily_kagga
http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/ ... pic=2676.0

At the end of the day , all of us are Thimmas , to varying extents :)
Thanks for these links. Since it has english translation, every one can enjoy these selected poems of " Mankuthimmana Kagga".

I don't agree with u'r statement " Manku Kavida Thimma- a simpleton with a clouded mind. In need of cleaning up".
Coolji - I keep enjoying u'r uploads of DKJ( Sri Krishnam Bhaja Manasa- Thodi)& RK(Dhanyudevvado- Malayamarutham).

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Well, mankuthimma is catering to some folks here who like self-deprecatory humor. If you play a moronic role (when they know your true worth) everybody will look at you with awe. That way you get the humor and the awe at the same time. It is called "awesome humor" :grin:

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cml,

With all due respect, the problem (to put it mildy) here is that you have diagnosed the patient (AND the spouse) without analyzing the persons in question - and I mean medical analysis with consultation! To put it bluntly - this is careless and dangerous methodology. Also, you have may have used faulty reasoning between cause and effect i.e. Even if 100% of people suffering from disease D have these symptom S does NOT imply someone with symptom S have disease D (and here it is most probably nowhere near 100%). I am reading a book where it states how people from all walks in life (including physicians) make this common mistake when correlating data that includes uncertainty, probability etc.

Arun

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CML (the prankster in him)!
I see that your tongue in the cheek humor analysis led to many analysing you! This happened simply because you happen to belong to the profession! Had one of us kidded around like that, we pseudo-psychologists, it might have been taken lightly. It's the same as when mothers (experienced as we are) kid around the younger generation mothers. I'm afraid they may take it seriously, coming from a seasoned mother (expert?). Their peers may say the same thing, and they will join in the laughter!
For all this, Uday might be chuckling!

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Arun
That is always the challenge in medical practice. Technically known as 'sensitivity' and 'specificity'.
Presence of a symptom (S) does not always imply the associated disease (D), nor does its absence
deny the existence.
Further investigations are needed until a confirmatory diagnosis is made with the possibility
of still an error. Occsionally the treatment does 'kill' the patient as well when the error is designated
as 'iatrogenic' !
The basic philosophy is 'Do no Harm' !

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Mankuthimma, welcome back. I hope and believe this avatar of yours will be a chiranjeevi.

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arasi/cml - the issue perhaps isnt analysis but a unfavorable conclusion about a person's personal life thrown around casually in a public forum. cml - I think you still dont get as it why it came off as quite inappropriate. Even if you were kidding - it is inappropriate because of where it was expressed. And your analysis and explanation only makes it worse and even less appropriate - exponentially so. I think a similar thing happened in another thread recently and you charted a similar course.

And arasi, I would say the reaction wold have been the same if you or I said the exact same thing.

Arun

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Thanks Arun for the sage advice! I have deleted the posts.
I meant them in a positive sense but did not think about the possible negative
impact!
Yes! The treatment can be worse than the problem itself!

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Post by S.NAGESWARAN »

Dear Coolji,

Welcome back to our Rasikas.org Forum.

Absence of your frequent posts with a link for some wonderful music and apt pointers to look in
for some duration of a sanchara to enjoy the music have made me long for your return to the Forum.

I was fortunate to meet Sri Coolji’s father in Chennai when he came to Chennai for treatment.
In spite of his illness he got up from the bed and extended a warm welcome to me and held my hands in affection for a few minutes.
The meticulous way in indexing his tape collections made me to follow his father’s way of indexing.

Welcome back once again.

As we are FAMILIAR & fond of coolji’s name why should you not come back as “coolji” and
not as “mankuthimma” which I find it difficult to remember and find it difficult to
type without mistake.

S.NAGESWARAN.
30.07.2010.

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Post by sureshvv »

Welcome back cool ji... It was getting mighty lonely with cmlover here ;-)

May be a space in your new handle will make it more readable... I read the whole thing as one syllable and it sounded almost like someone cussing :)

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Post by VK RAMAN »

Nageswaran: "I find it difficult to remember and find it difficult to
type without mistake. - Answer: cut and paste, mankuthimma - that is what I did.

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Post by mahakavi »

S.NAGESWARAN:
Better yet, hit "quote" in mankuthimma's message if you want to answer specific remarks in his post.
mankuthimma mankuthimma mankuthimma mankuthimma
There I typed it four times in a row without mistake.
You can practice an imposition by writing it 100 times in a slate with a balappam. After that scan it and post it here. I'll promote you to 2nd grade. :grin:

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Post by mahakavi »

arunk wrote: I would say the reaction wold have been the same if you or I said the exact same thing.
Arun
Arun:
Your "Achtung" must be heeded by posters here. Sometimes in the name of "needling" others or "humor", members can inadvertently touch sensitive issues. It is better not to traverse on to the personal side of posters however intimate you have been with them.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Yes, humor is good, a bit of good-natured needling is good too, to reduce the up-tightness but let us not get into personal matters.

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Post by arasi »

Suresh,
We are all very happy to have Manku thimma back, and as srkis in his welcome said, may his presence on the forum be an everlasting (chiranjIvi) thing so that we can all benefit.
Coming to CML, if we frown on his behavior even after he takes back his words, it somewhat cancels out all that he's been to the forum. A couple of indiscreet (but not at all malicious) statements shouldn't make us take him to task unnecessarily--as while happily welcoming one of his friends back. Well, if you do not appreciate what I'm saying, put me down (pun not intended) to being another of those doddering old people around here ;)

Arun,
Yes, you made your point. It would not have been funny even if either of us had said this.

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Post by arasi »

VK and Mahakavi,
Yes, friends should remain friends even if there are some awkward moments and we cannot kid around on a forum as we would in our private lives. Agreed. We all get carried away too at times--how much and how it may affect others is to be considered.
I hope CML doesn't take offense if I say that the champagne he opened to mark Manku thimma's return did get to his head--CML, the teetototaler too ;)

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Post by MaheshS »

Ma'am, the "no malicious at all but poking fun in a good manner" kind of Tanjavoor sarcasm / humour / needling all works if in person but not on letter when people read it at different times / day / moods etc. Not only does it fall flat, but annoys, irritate and anger people.

We just got our Kohinoor back. Lets rejoice the fact and hope he doesn't go away thinking we are not worth it, like last time. I do not know if CML has met Cool ji's family. I have, and personally I concur with the saying about a woman being behind a successful man.

Success if measured by respect by others and respect *to* others, dedication to music and above all a [ANY superlative here] decent human being, then no question, Kulkarni Family, they are all ONE entity in my eyes, I've seen them, is not only successful but rules.

And to welcome him back, knowing his love of poetry, I humbly present

[quote]IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son![quote]

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Post by mahakavi »

MaheshS: Are you from ThanjavUr? You seem to be familiar with the types of dig indulged in by ThanjAvUrians. If you are from ThanjAvur you don't have to admit it. If you are not you can just deny. :(

Let us all forget this episode. cmlover was getting too excited and perhaps did not mean what he said and was unaware of the implication that might be construed by the readers. mankuthimma (if I can take a guess) probably did not even see any bit of affront in it. So let us bury it once for all.

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Post by mahakavi »

arasi wrote: --CML, the teetototaler too ;)
Of course, actually a "tea" person, not tenuously but totally a tee.to.tal.er for sure. :grin:

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