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Post by coolkarni »

srkris
someone told me you were away at muscat !
wish I had known that you were available ,here in chennai !!

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Post by vijay »

Arasi, you are unfailingly generous - thanks. No closet novelist, I'm afraid - the longest pieces I have written, other than the forgettable reports I churn out for my employer, are posts in this forum! And, despite Coolji's opinion, the ordinariness of my life would cause accountants to grimace, leave alone secret agents!

Anyway, how about discussing ideas for future events since we did not have time for that yesterday...BTW, coolji had an interesting idea for a quiz based on yesterday's programme - wonder if Rajesh's ingenious mind is cooking up something along those lines!

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

Ha Ha
Wait for the video to arrive.
We shall definitely have the quiz to identify who rajesh is. !!
:P
Generous guy that he is , We had to decline his offer for a lavish dinner at the end of the concert.
So Rajesh.Please do keep all those Green Currencies handy.It wont be long before we run out of steam !!
:D

On a serious note.
The full program will be on display here-including-mp3 and the video.I will only need a kind soul with high octane uploading capabilities.
We have captured the moments from the time members started arriving.
Future events:
There will be a certain period where the dreams of my longtime non internet friends,first play themselves out -
Concerts by GS Mani , Neyveli Santhanagopalan, Veena by Parthasarathy, a Violin session by L Narasimhan , though not in that particular order.
We would then depend on Bharath and others to help in getting us access to other artists.
In particular we may focus on Veena and Nadaswaram.

BTW , Manakkal Sriram called up today to inform us that Manakkal senior and family were very much intent on having the next concert at their house in Thiruvanmiyur.
(After that he offered to agreed to sing for us at a different venue.)
That is the way it has been today.Most of the callers have spoken of the wonderful ambience at the House.
Inconvenient Perhaps .
But immensely Comfortable.
Ananth and Kaumaram are next in line , to host further events.
and we have mantras offer for 17th march..
So that is one major direction with regard to the place of the Concert.
Nick, this is going to be tough on you , but rest assured.We will plan for a Guide for you.

Arasi - Session at Bangalore - another great idea - maybe one at Coimbatore too - Now who was proposing that ?Yes.Srinidhi.

BTW we are yet to settle on a name for our outfit.Though , a lot of us have been toying with an idea that the name should stress on THE EXPERIENCE.
With Poets ,Composers, reviewers around, that is the easiest part,perhaps.

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Post by rajeshnat »

All
Since yesterday night's concert, I had a deliverable at my work to be completed day before yesterday(that's how software companies work...). I had to slog and I am just done now , I will post the concert review with songs within a day.

Also my friend from US gifted me a brand new digital camera , which I had a vAthapi ganapathim photo bhaje debut yesterday. I am struggling with this digital camera wonder, will complete that tonight . I have taken close to 30 + photos.

:cool: and his internet/non-internet teams just rocked.

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Post by jayaram »

Wonderful to hear about the inaugural event. You Chennaites are a lucky bunch. And to have the grand old man himself to bless the event...what an auspicious beginning!

Rajesh, you could use one of the yahoo/google photo areas to upload the pictures...can't wait to see them.

Coolkarni, while the list of the forthcoming possibles is very good, may I requst you try and include a few of the senior artistes early on...TRS, Nedunuri, Srikantan, et al would be so instructive to rasikas, besides being top-class. And do try and have some of the senior pakkam artistes also, e.g. Palghat Raghu, MS Anantharaman. (Imagine a house concert of Manakkal or TRS with MSA and Raghu!)

Now let me go home and listen to my tapes - such is life! :(

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Post by sridevi »

coolkarni wrote:BTW we are yet to settle on a name for our outfit.Though , a lot of us have been toying with an idea that the name should stress on THE EXPERIENCE.
With Poets ,Composers, reviewers around, that is the easiest part,perhaps.
All I can say is " I wish I was there .... " Oh well.. sometime, someday, I am sure.

as far as the name is concerned... here is one thought..

Amogha Anubhavam

Sridevi

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Post by arunk »

Me too! Congrats coolkarni! Hopefully there will be an event when I visit India. It would be great to meet everyone and listen to great music!

Arun

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Post by chalanata »

how about the name 'ANUBOOTHI'?
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Post by vgvindan »

Sorry for a little digression before coming to my point -
In the dEvi mahAtmyam, uttama caritram, Chapter 5, the following verses occur -

dEvyuvAca -
satyamuktam tvayA nAtra mithyA kincit tvayOditam |
trailOkyAdhipati: SumbhO niSumhaScApi tAdRSa: || 118 ||
kim tvatra yat pratijnAtam mithyA tat kriyatE katham |
SrUyatA-malpa-buddhitvAt pratijnA yA kRtA purA || 119 ||

dEvi spoke (to the messenger of Asura Sumbha)

"Whatever you said is true; there is no untruth in whatever you said; Sumbha is the Lord of three Worlds; so is niSumbha.
But, how can I falsify a vow made by me in this regard? Listen, to the vow I made due to poor intellect."

In our Indian tradition, humility, modesty and unassuming manner are the hallmark of great personages. Mark the words of dEvi - 'alpa buddhi' - who destroyed the lot of Sumbha.

I have seen in this forum what people have said about Mr Coolkarni. Yesterday, I had the opportunity of meeting him.

While he made us comfortable in listening to the beatiful concert, I saw him running around every now and them. Ultimately, when the time came for a group photo of the members of Rasika Forum, he grouped us, but he himself stayed back. I had to ask him "Are you not supposed to be in the centre of this group?" Then only he joined the group.

The products of those who boast themselves around are like drum-stick tree which grows too fast for its own good; on the other hand, the products of the un-assuming persons are like the tamarind tree which grows very slow, but when fully grown, cannot be shaken even by greates gales.

This is not a flattery - certain things have to be told at the appropriate time, otherwise they lose their relevance.

I heartily thank Mr Coolkarni and his associates who enabled us to listen to the beautiful concert and wish them God Speed in their efforts to make it more oftener.

May Saint Thyagaraja Bless us all
At the service of those who promote CM with no personal gain in their minds.
V Govindan
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Post by rshankar »

Kji,
As I read the news/views/reviews, I am covered in goosebumps (or should it be horripilation?) - I am SO impressed that all of this was pulled off with such effortless ease (you are indeed the Federer of these endeavors) - but I am certainly not surprised. Since this is the product of your efforts, how calling the outfit nAdayOga?

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Post by drshrikaanth »

Congratulations to all for pulling this off successfully.

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Post by humdinger »

kji....congratulations!
now, when at bangalore? when at bangalore?

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Post by cmlover »

Yet another feather on Kji's cap! Appropriately organized with business precision. Now the hoopla is very much like the 'Oscar Night' with noted celebrities from among us and to top it off by our Maestro MaNakkaal himself. Let us wait for the snaps, videos and audios followed by scholarly comments by our experts. This is indeed our cyber virtual reality becoming Reality!

Congratulations and greeting to one and all

Now dear hitech Gurus please tell whether the future ones can be 'webcast' so that we can all participate globally?

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Post by meena »

Kji

Congrats :) and thanks all for the feedbacks. Now i'll wait for the audio clips/ videos and pics.

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Post by jayaram »

Please don't edit the video/audio clips before uploading! It's always nice to see the raw version, with all the chatter, noise, etc. Adds the 'live' dimension...Thank you.

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Post by venkatpv »

wow!! congrats coolkarniji... eagerly awaiting the videos and pics... :)

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

Thanks for all the nice sentiments.

As one silent member (Mr Vaidyanathan) put it , before the concert began.
To quote :
" It is so great to be part of this group.If CMl is silent for a few days , I start praying for his health and start getting anxious- Otherwise what else would keep him silent for so long .To say that rasikas.org is addictive, is an understatement......
So it must be for others , with each individual associations with style and interest...
It is only gatherings like these that give us some idea of the forces that pull us together.."
Unquote.

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Post by rajeshnat »

Rasikas.org(take #1)@WestmAmbalam(chennai) on Feb 15th,2006

Prelude:

I always had 2 wishes with respect to CM .One is a curiosity to hear concerts in close quarters, so that there is no distraction by fellow rasikAs who have a habit of yelling bale bale a bit too often ,chronic chatting ,the asura mobile not being switched off and to avoid people who come more to hear CM for only the prestige . The first curiosity obviously requires a more indoor concert as it is more likely for a rasika to watch anyone in close quarter.

At the same time there is another cherishing feeling that I recollect from my early teens .I have heard about 6 to 10 concerts in my native place around mAyavaram and KumbakOnam where I used to be taken by my late maternal grandfather(MDR paithiyam) more to the open space concerts either in temples or in make shift pandals. A gentle breeze in the night is so wonderful and soothing,adding another super extra pakkavAdhyam to each of our senses to continously re-energize to hear more and more CM.

Well both these unsaid wishes was satisified by Shri subramanian who ensured a 5 star hospitality by giving his house where roughly 250 sq ft room was an indoor sabha in the first floor ,with a gentle open air amphitheatre to the right of the sabha that can accomodate an equal crowd. It just did not end there.

A spot light was arranged to give just enough light to the artist(s) .I am told in an email that few of coolkarni's non internet friends shri Subramanian, venkateshwaran,nAgeshwaran, tatvatmasi's dad in particular were big MSG (violinist)fans and they were excellent audiophiles too . The sound man's setting was very appealing , perhaps the NGS and SKGS can get few lessons on what SOUND "sound ambience means??" . I was early to grab the kovai krishna sweet and kAram and sipped the coffee too? If there was a small miracle there was one too that I added, I forgot to eat the sonpapdi after tasting little and kept it in the floor when I moved from indoor to the outdoor sabha .
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Post by rajeshnat »

COncert Review of T V RAmprasAdh@WestmAmbalam(chennai) on Feb 15th,2006

The concert started with Coolkarni giving a very brief talk. He thanked about 7 of them introducing their names and what difference they made to him, which is now transmitted to almost all of us. Of particular mention is Shri Venkateshwaran who was coolji's mentor who brought cool to carnatic and the artistDelhi V Muthukumar , who made cool appreciate more the nuances of CM (thanks a million to these folks) .Few artists who were also there were M.O .ParthasArathi (hindustAni vocalist), 2 violinist murali and L.Narasimhan(love Narasimhan for his interludes that he has played for few illayarajA movies), America Anatha Iyer (known for theatre in UK, but why is he known as america anantha Iyer??).
Cool rocked when he ended his speech saying that our aim in starting this venture was to bring "gifted artists and rasikAs together.There are no brokers inbetwen"

Atlast the songlist and the artist(s) :
Accompanying TV RAmprasAdhh were V V SrinivAsa Rao(sishya of VVS) - violin, rAmesh(sishya of Guru karaikudi mani) - mridangam and tambura mani(known for his continous tambura stroking as mentioned by TV RAmprasadh).

1. sarasijanAbha (varnam)- KAmbOdhi - ST
2. teliyEleru rAma (S) - dhenukA - ThyagarAja
Started with a brisk kAmbOdhi that settled well . There are certain krithis that you immediately associate yesteryears jAmbhavans that you feel few of today's musicians are possibly trying to get there , but still they are not really there.That was a feeling I got when I heard rAmprasadh who must have polished his teliyelEru ramA with Shri PSN(one of his guru) who in turn polished with his guru SSI(the jAmbhavan who has taken this dhenuka to such lofty heights). The denuka was nice with an excellent round of swarams.

3. apparAma bhakthi (R, N, S) - pantuvarAli - ThyagarAja
Well I would christen pantuvarAli as Dr PantuvarAli as I feel it ensures your voice is fit for the rest. Well possibly Shri rAmprasAdh must have taken that to be validated by one of the finest tara sthayi singers manakkal rangarAjan .He came out very good . I heard a very detailed alApana indoors , and then walked out to the outdoor to hear the breezy neraval and swaram along with Shri manakkAl rangarAjan who just entered some time with his family during the pantuvarAli.

4. sItA nAyaka shrtajana pOSaka shrI raghukula tilaka O rAma(R,S) - owl aig there - ThyagarAja
By any chance did you hear this krithi before.Can you guess the rAga of the krithi . It is quiz time ?Well sure all of us enjoyed this thyagarAja krithi there? . Pause and Solve the anagram owl aig there to get the rAga? .Dont break your head, I am sure all of us will love this rAga . I bet your top 5 ragAs will have the this ragam and your anagram is just needed to cross check.

The best to me in the concert was this krithi both the alApana and swarams were excellent .This krithi is a composition of the bard on Tirupati venkataramana , described briefly by the artist , possibly could be elaborated by vgvindan.

5. rave himagiri kUmAri - tOdi - SS
6A. tiruvaDi sharaNam enringu nAn nambi vandEn - (R N S )- kAmbOdhi - GKB
6B. tani

The tOdi sahitya and swara aksharam was intact with the swarajati of ShyamasAstri with me getting back indoor after a little excessive natural breeze . Keeping with the tradition of Ariyakudi, the main krithi was in the same ragA as the varnam. Well I am not a big fan of that sequence of the same rAga repeated twice , once I argued with one musician he tried to explain which I still did not understand?.Interestingly the way the musician sang the varnam and krithi were distinctly different. The varnam was little less expressive whereas the GKB's krithi was the usual asssertive I am there kAmbOdhi that reminds us of MMI, alathur,GNB,SSI and perhaps I speculate that rAmprasadh was more motivated to sing this kAmbOdhi as one of the best living legend of kAmbOdhi was there (referring shri manakkal rangarajan).

What do you guys bharath, ram,vijay,kaumaaram, sripathi and others have to say about 2 kAmbOdhis(varnam and main) in one concert?? Nice round of neraval in the usual "aDuttu vanda ennai taLLalAgAdu ara-harAvenru shonnAlum pOdAdO". A very good swaram followed , perhaps would have been better if he had gone more after the usual midpoint "ga ma pa ma gA"

tani was apt and short , more concluding as an extension of the song.Well I tried to guess it as misra nadai and clarified with vijay who shot it down as chatusra nadai. Well I wished I did not ask that with vijay to expose my layam?? Visually Looked at vijay and manakkal sriram and they appear to have certified the mridangist. The violinist was certified by Shri L. narasimhan.

It was time for manakkal's to certify the performing artist. The manakkal's were brief , when it is a brief talk in any kutcheri , that to me means there is more sincerity and truth in what they speak. They both praised all of them.

7. tambUri meetidava - sindhu bhairavi - PD
8A. mangalam kOsalendra
8B . jaya mangalam nithya suba mangalam - madhyamavati?
Coolkarni's favourite tambUri was sung quite well and a mangalam wrapped at 9pm . Overall a very good concert with an excellent reethigowla (the answer to the anagram owl aig there).
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Post by rajeshnat »

conclusion:
Well Let me be honest here .Kulkarni and his team were fantastic . I definitely came to support rasikas.org and of particular interest I came to the concert only for shri kulkarni. I did have a doubt before coming to the concert , that shri kulkarni may be is excessively taking a cause , that too considering a place like chennai where I always get a feel that we have more than enough sabhas and there are no takers.

But there was not just one cool that I discovered. There are few non internet cools and few cools like ananth,rajumds who have done significantly more to it by playing a very active role in organizing it.

The nuances of seeing how a violinist bows the violin in different strings to bring different shades of kAmbOdhi and the mridangist saying appAdi when he lifts the mridangam before the main song that is not picked by the mike are just few things that makes it significantly more interesting.

I came with a feeling that cool club headed by karni can slowly trickle a social movement that will synergize more to listen to CM to handhold the uninitiated and ensure more and more patronage to the artists and sabhas(unfortunately IMHO it is dwindling and below critical mass) .

Coolkarni,
Let us come up with a name called "cool club", so that it is branded better to reach more masses.
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Post by vasya10 »

congratulations to all, esp sri coolkarni for such a successful venture.

And thanks for the wonderful review sri rajesh. With your review side by side we shall later enjoy the audio vicariously.

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/adyarkeda ... GBPAY7sr6N

I am not sure how to share photos on yahoo , in forums.

If you are able to access this link and see the photos , i will keep updating here.

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Post by vasanthakokilam »

Yup, coolkarni. I can access the photo.

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Post by kaumaaram »

Rajesh:

Well, I was indeed surprised when TV Ramprasadh took Kambodhi for the second time. My contention is that we should not have the same raga appearing twice. I never knew that it was a style until you wrote this review.

[Ramprasadh is known to me as a Merchant Banker. He is a Cost Accountant and a Lawyer; we have worked together in handling a rights [public] issue of an email company in Chennai sometime in 1994].

I spoke to Ramprasadh y/day morning and have requested him to include a virutham before the main song as that is yet another tradition that is being ignored these days. This viruthuam will conveniently link itself to the main song both in terms of raga and the song on the deity in question. Ramprasadh has agreed and he will do so in his concerts following hereafter; guys who missed this concert may see him on 28th Feb singing at the Saibaba temple [please check]

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

three more photos added.
Rajesh.If you can mail the photos to me , I can upload them in the same album.

Mike .
This was a very interesting issue.We all wanted a mikeless experience , but past experience told me that Violin would be a real problem.I had never been satisfied with the Volume that I could hear from my row at the rear.
To play it safe we planned for a mike system and speakers too.
But we actually used the speakers only for the Violin.The Voice and the Mridangam -Volumes were kept Zero .With a little bit of Finetuning , the overall effect looked very very natural.

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Post by mohan »

Sounds like a very nice concert. Yes, Ariyakudi sometimes would give his listeners a clue as to what raga the RTP will be by singing a varnam in that raga at the start of the concert.

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Post by vijay »

Usually such dual rendition of the same raga happens with varnam and RTP so after the Kamboji alaapana I was expecting a Pallavi which did not happen. Thiruvadi Charanam was an equally good substitute though...

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Post by Sam Swaminathan »

Coolji and friends

Very well done and thanks a million. Should the total number of photos be 7 or 4 at this stage? I can only see four.....and where is Coolji's photo...so eager to see THE MAN !!

Regards

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Post by annapoorne »

I think the krithi on Tirupathi (Sita nayaka) was in Ritigowlai.

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

sam
bulk of the photos will come from rajesh's camera.so you should see some activity on that front , in a few hours time.

These four snaps were taken after we ran out of tape on the video handycam.we had planned for a two hour concert only, but it extended by 30 minutes or so.
plus we captured the arrivals of members for another 25 minutes or so.

The mp3 track should be available for upload by tonight.that will come up first.
The video in mpeg format should take a few days time to reach me ,after conversion..will put it up in 5 minute slices.without editing ofcourse.

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Post by rbharath »

That was an awesome experience.

This is definetely not the first time i m listening to a chamber concert. I have been listening to such concerts in the past and infact rather frequently, however, this one was quite different

I must thank the spearhead of this venture to let me participate and enjoy and also learn a lot of stuff.

I am short of words to explain the experience :)

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Post by rajeshnat »

coolkarni wrote:Rajesh.If you can mail the photos to me , I can upload them in the same album.
:cool:,
I have sent you a mail where I have attached a zip file.Named all the snaps with a meaningful title. Please cross check some titles especially where I have mentioned shri venkateshwaran .

All,
The title of the snaps will help you all to spot us(almost :P) and also the sequence.

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

just saw them.
fabulous.I will correct the name from Venkateswaran to Nageswaran.
Thanks.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/adyarkeda ... cd&.src=ph

coolkarni

Post by coolkarni »

you can now start giving names to the faces..

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Post by arasi »

Rajesh,
Another reviewer is ram, bharath or vijay? Wish I had been there; but for a glimpse of a woman (who is it?), there are no kumaris or srimathis in the pics!
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Post by vgvindan »

Rajeshnat,
The kRti 'sItA nAyaka' rIti gauLa is not yet listed in our wiki. Therefore, I am unable to post. The same can be posted here - in these pages - if it is so desired.

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Post by jayaram »

It felt great to browse thru the pictures taken at the inaugural concert. I must admit, my mental images of some of the forumites were quite different from the actual pictures... :-)

Please do provide names of the people included in the group photo.

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Post by rajeshnat »

arasi wrote:Rajesh,
But for a glimpse of a woman (who is it?), there are no kumaris or srimathis in the pics!
There were definitely 20 to 25% kumaris and srimathis .I am sure the reason of why they were not in snaps is because most of them were late. Also the photographer was little shy/reluctant/not sure if he could take few snaps of them. I suppose that is an unwanted legacy mannerism of the photographer that is very hard to erase.;) .He has a certain starting problem.
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Post by rajeshnat »

vgvindan wrote:Rajeshnat,
The kRti 'sItA nAyaka' rIti gauLa is not yet listed in our wiki. Therefore, I am unable to post. The same can be posted here - in these pages - if it is so desired.
vgv sir,
If you recollect at the beginning there was a request by Shri nAgeshwaran and few other non-internet rasikas ,that one krithi needs to be explained . For sure TV RamprasAdh was very brief in just quoting that the ritigowla was in praise of Tirupati venkataramana. This ritigowlai krithi was popularized by vidwans Shri PSN and TMT. My wish is for you to take it and post it here to fulfill their desire, so that we all get a feeling that everything happened.
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Post by cmlover »

The picture(s) are worth a thousand words!
As much as you are frozen in time, may this bliss resonate for the rest of your lives!
sanma^ngaLAni santu

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Post by vgvindan »

sItA nAyaka-rItigauLa

In the kRti ‘sIA nAyaka Srita’ – rAga rItigauLa, SrI tyAgarAja sings praises of the Lord ridiculing Him in 5 of 7 caraNas.

P sItA nAyaka Srita jana pOShaka SrI raghu kula tilaka O rAma

C1 niru pEda bhaktula karikOta paDa lEka giri pain(e)kkukoNTivO (SrI venkaTa giripai) (sItA)

C2 angalArpu jUci ranga puramuna celangucu paNDitivO (ranGga puramuna) (sItA)

C3 kAcina bhaktula jUci(y)A balinE(y)Acinci veDalitivO (A balinE) (sItA)

C4 ASa minci ninn(A)Su jErer(a)ni kISula jEritivO (jErarani) (sItA)

C5 jAlitO vaccu kucEluni kani gOpI cElamul(e)ttitivO (kani gOpi) (sItA)

C6 ingitam(e)rigi(y)uppongucu brOcu bangAru dora(v)aitivO (nannu brOcu) (sItA)

C7 nI guNamula guTTu bAguga telisenu tyAgarAja vinuta (telisenayya) (sItA)

Gist
O Lord SrI rAma - Consort of sItA - the Distinguished One of the dynasty of SrI raghu who nourishes those dependent!

1. Did You climb up the mountain unable to bear the torments of very poor devotees? (Did you climb up the sacred SrI venkaTa giri?)

2. Did You lie down blissfully at SrI rangam hearing the lamentation of devotees? (Did you lie down blissfull at SrI rangam?)

3. Did You proceed to beg from that Emperor bali himself looking at those devotees who are waiting on You? (Did You proceed to beg that Emperor bali himself?)

4. Did You join the monkeys because Your devotees reach You very quickly overwhelmed with love towards You? (because your devotees reach you very quickly?)

5. Did You steal the clothes of the gOpIs looking at sudAma who was coming with grief? (Did you steal clothes of gOpis looking at kucEla?)

6. Did You become that wonderful Lord who protects the devotees joyously understanding the intentions or indications (of genuine devotees)? (Did you become that wonderful Lord who protects me?)

7. O Lord praised by this tyAgarAja! The secret of Your qualities have well been exposed; (They have been exposed.)

Notes -
General – In the books of CR and TSV/AKG, all the caraNas are partly repeated as given below; but the same is not found in the book of TKG. C1 – SrI venkaTa giripai; C2 – ranga puramuna; C3 – A bAlinE; C4 – jErerani; C5 – kani gOpI; C6 – nannu brOcu; C7 – telisenayya.
P – In the books of CR and TSV/AKG, ‘O rAma’ is given at the end of pallavi; the same is not found in the book of TKG. However, in the last caraNa (C6), ‘O rAma’ is given at the end in the book of TKG, but the same is not found in the books of CR and TSV/AKG.
C2 – celangucu – this is how it is given in all the books other than that of TKG, wherein it is given as ‘celangaga’. ‘celangucu’ seems to be more appropriate. C4 – ASa – this is how it is given in all the books other than that of TKG, wherein it is given as ‘Asa’.
C4 – jErerani – SrImad-vAlmIki rAmAyaNa, AyOdhyA kANDa, Chapter 117, Verses 1 – 4 (regarding SrI rAma leaving citrakUTa) refers – SrI tyAgarAja jokingly states that SrI rAma left for kiShkindA in order to be away from human habitation so that his devotees would be deterred from reachin Him -
“Thereafter, when the sages departed, Rama, reflecting again and again, found no pleasure to remain in that place for many reasons. It is here that Bharata, my mother along with the inhabitants of the city visited me. That memory haunts me, who lament for them daily. The dry dung of horses and elephants of that high souled Bharata's encamped army caused much spoliation (around here). ‘We shall, therefore, move elsewhere’, pondering thus, Rama along with Seetha and Lakshmana left that place.â€
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Thanks VG
When the audio/video becomes available we will be able to relish this rare nindAstuti kriti in the right perspetive!

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I'm astonished to know that only the violin came on the speakers. It all seemed very natural and balanced. I was pleasantly surprised, as seeing the speakers came as a disappointment to me --- but it was fine.

I was also delighted that the mosquitoes of the area seem not to share our musical tastes! Although another West Mambalam resident told me the next day that it is a low-mossie-count area.

Concerts in Thiruvanmyur will be just great for me --- when we eventually complete our move to Palavakkam! :)

Yes, the house was hard to find (but well worth it :) ) but unfortunately I missed the directions here on the site. And hard to find only the first time.

(and if we return there I'll be able to retrieve my cushion...)

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Nick

Nice to hear you! Mambalam mosquitoes letting you go :)
You are now more Indian than myself :)
(the secret is that coolkarni had arranged anti-mosquito-supersonics coming through the speakers, but not the muusic itself!)

Tell us something about your experience of the music itself barring your favourite - the rhythm

coolkarni

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Vijay Wrote
like Bhimsen Joshi's Multani at Patiala, recorded for posterity in the 50s -
also
Like the Bade's Chaya Nat recorded for posterity in the 50s -

http://www.badongo.com/file/2260245

You were so right.The closer we get to the place and process of creation , we get less judgemental.More appreciative.

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Thanks for the clip Coolji...sparks off some thoughts:

1) More "explanation-oriented" performances - maybe only for some of the concerts and I don't have LDs in mind...but maybe 4-5 minutes to explain the nuances of major pieces. Perhaps some inputs on laya as well.

2) Guided appreciation of recordings. The jambavans in our little group should be able to contribute substantially....

3) Workshops on specific aspects - maybe we could bell that slimy old cat, RTP, to begin with. There was a good thing going with TNK/Allepey Venkatesan's guidance at Raga Sudha hall with sessions on Bhairavi and Kharaharapriya but one wonders about its future now. With a smaller group it could be more effective...

4) Concerts structured around member requests (this could be a bit of a Pandora's Box besides taking away the charm of spontaneity)

Also, the venue was simply brilliant and I woulnd't want to change that at all but for avoiding excessive demands on Mr. Subramanian's gracious hospitality...

coolkarni

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Vijay
Actually we have made beginnings in these directions.As more and more members start expressing their views , we will start consolidating our needs.That is how we expect to proceed.

I am not sure if we should clutter up space here with our deliberations , but if no one has objections , we can continue to do so.Of course we shall post all the post concert stuff here, for the benefit of all.
If we start holding our sessions on Sundays, that would give us an extra half to one hour for watching choice videos too.Imagine watching Nusrat Faeteh Ali belting out out a Sufi Song in Kedar on a 6ft by 3 ft Plasma TV screen !!

Venue : We have the liberty of using Subramaniams place for a few months more before (sigh) it gives way to another set of apartments.
But as one member said the other day, we could move from one host to another- like a travelling circus.

We intend inviting GS Mani for the next one - So all your points 1-4 can be fitted in.It wont be a bad idea for a big group to visit him , for the invite ,either.I will post the info about the time and date of our visit.
Let us see if any of you can join then .

Occasional month slots may have to be fitted for artists from other cities who may not give us too long a notice for fixing the date.We may be just using the opportunity of their visit to Chennai for some other engagement.

Yesterday , Mysore Nagaraj Called up on phone to wish us the best .He went on to say that they were on their way to Oz right now and after their return would definitely make it a point to perform for us.In fact much of the last minute pressure (on me)to kickstart this as early as possible came in one of the informal sessions at Nageswarans Home in December when Nagaraj and Manjunath sang and explained different aspects , to a small group .

This first concert - to be frank- I was not sure of the response from you guys.What if none of you had turned up ? So I had to play it safe and make it look like a regular concert.

Your points 1-4 are exactly what we have in mind.

Still waiting for the Video tracks.
mp3 is already with me ( I have listened to my own speech for the n'th time )
:P
Will hold on for some more time.It would be great if start with the videos first.

coolkarni

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Lji has improved the quality of one group photo and I have added this as the last one.Thank You saab.
L to R
Ram(with shoulder Bag)
Ananth-Bharath-Sripathig-Govindan-Cool-Rajumds-Kaumaram-Subramaniam(Host)-Nick-Nageswaran-RajeshNat(one hand in pocket)-Vijay

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Thanks for the reviews and the pictures! Mysore Nagaraj and Manjunath will be in Sydney on the 27th.

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So sad to hear that that house is going to be knocked down. Like I told my wife when I got home, 'it was one of those old houses I love so much'.

CMlover... what can I say about the music? You guys know some stuff, and many of you know heaps of stuff. I can say that the main piece, for me, was just very, very beautiful.

In a way, that makes me even less satisfied with this last-minute main piece, last-minute thani then finish Chennai concert format: We should be let down gently at the end of a program!

I think it is necessary for us to be relaxed about the finishing time. It is rare that I have to rush off: unusually I was up against a deadline to eat, as I had to get in ten hours of fasting before a medical check the next day. Maybe others stayed a little longer to enjoy the after-effects and perhaps discuss a little? this is something that is obviously venue-sensitive: we do not want to impose on our hosts.

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