Sangita Kalanidhi 2015

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 21 Jun 2015, 22:22

arasi wrote: Now that you are going to be SK, I do hope folks get the spelling of your name right:
SANJAY SUBRAHMANYAN!

His given name is NOT Sanjay.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 21 Jun 2015, 22:27

hnbhagavan wrote:Generally this award of Sangeethakalanidi brings in more awards.Money wise it is nothing much these days only a Lakh Rupees.An Indian Idol junior award is Rs five Lakhs and runners up is three Lakhs!

The SK carries an award of Rs 100,000 plus an additional Rs 200,000 as the MSS Award instituted by The Hindu, IIRC.

Nothing like the reported Rs 5,000,000 (value of a house) as the first prize for the Asianet Super Singer contest.

Hey, the tup-tup artist gets possibly his first six-figure fee for a concert!

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 22 Jun 2015, 00:34

Congratulations to Sanjay Subrahmanyan. For sure he was in striking distance for few years . Great achievement and best wishes.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Jun 2015, 01:06

Harimau,

Let's suppose your given name were Harimau

your grandmother called you babulu, your grandpa payalE (or whatever the equivalent word in the district you come from), which one would we all know you by? If you were a performing artiste, won't we refer to you as Harimau?

With Sanjay, that was the name they called him by at home, Subra at school and if I remember right, your'e are right, after all. He went by the name Subrahmanyan, until S.V. Krishnan billed the young artiste as Sanjay in his concert brochure, or referred to him as Sanjay Subrahmanyan on stage. Such forethought on his part, I would say . Otherwise, Sanjay would have been, another Subrahmanyan (Subramaniam, Subramanian) on stage

gup chup, gup chup,
tup tup artiste tops

Suryaprakash · Post by **Suryaprakash** » 22 Jun 2015, 02:22

Hearty Congratulations and my expression of joy to Vidwan Sanjay Subrahmanyan on his being chosen as Sangeetha Kalanidhi by The Music Academy. A well deserved title for a meritorious musician!

- R.Suryaprakash

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Jun 2015, 03:20

Congratulations to Sanjay. I first heard the news directly from him.... from his tweet.

kvchellappa's age distribution brings this into proper context. Though we tend to think of Sanjay as a young artist, he is not that young when compared to other greats when they got the award.

Congratulations again.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Jun 2015, 03:25

Harimau, please be gracious, at least on the day of the announcement

I did not know the history of the 'Sanjay' name. Thanks to you and Arasi, we are now well informed.

PUNARVASU · Post by **PUNARVASU** » 22 Jun 2015, 05:03

Congratulations to a truly deserving artist!

kunthalavarali · Post by **kunthalavarali** » 22 Jun 2015, 05:11

Harimau,
In my younger days (I am 75 now) I used to adore (still do) MMI’s music. One of my friends used to refer to his music with similar word(s). I used to be very sad. May I humbly request you to refrain from using such distasteful words? Yes, it hurts me deeply and surely many others. Please respect others feelings.

ananthbell · Post by **ananthbell** » 22 Jun 2015, 06:22

CONGRATS SANJAY SUBRAMANIAN

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Jun 2015, 07:46

Subrahmanyan?

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 22 Jun 2015, 07:46

arasi wrote:Harimau,
Let's suppose your given name were Harimau your grandmother called you babulu, your grandpa payalE (or whatever the equivalent word in the district you come from), which one would we all know you by? If you were a performing artiste, won't we refer to you as Harimau?

With Sanjay, that was the name they called him by at home, Subra at school and if I remember right, your'e are right, after all. He went by the name Subrahmanyan, until S.V. Krishnan billed the young artiste as Sanjay in his concert brochure, or referred to him as Sanjay Subrahmanyan on stage. Such forethought on his part, I would say . Otherwise, Sanjay would have been, another Subrahmanyan (Subramaniam, Subramanian) on stage

gup chup, gup chup,
tup tup artiste tops

This whole business of naming kids Rahul, Sanjay, etc., riles me to no end.

Kids used to be given names like Raman, Krishnan, Narayanan, Ganapathi, etc., so that you are remembering and uttering God's name every time you called the kid. Wasn't it Ajamila who was saved by Vishnu's bodyguards from Yama's minions because he called out for his son 'Narayana' on his deathbed?

So who is Sanjay? Some flunky in the court of Dhritharashtra?

Abhishek! Yeah, I can imagine somebody being saved from Hell because he calls out 'Abhishek'! Even Allah hearing it as Abu Sheikh wouldn't help the man out!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Jun 2015, 07:59

You have got opinions on everything, don't you?

I am actually more troubled by the notion that all it takes is to utter such a name in the last second of your life, that too not even addressed to the God in earnest and devotion. Bad message to send to people. When as a kid I asked about this, the responses bordered on 'oh, it just shows the power of the name and how easy it is to reach heaven'. Did not make any sense then or now. At least have a weighted probability distribution associated with it. Saying the name without even intending to address God is better slightly than not saying it at all. The more times you say it, higher the probability and more earnest and devoted you are when you say it, even higher the probability. That would at least be a lesson both on spirituality and probability theory.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 22 Jun 2015, 08:03

vasanthakokilam wrote:You have got opinions on everything, don't you?

As a writer for a San Francisco newspaper said, "Any clod can have the facts. Having opinions is an art".

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Jun 2015, 08:04

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Jun 2015, 08:10

To stray, I read and liked this:
“A man who believes that simple faith alone is a perfect and acceptable passport to eternal bliss will take no pains to lead either a decent or useful life. He is at liberty to commit all the crimes known to his nature; he may murder, steal, rape, and lie with impunity, for his faith .. will save him from his well-deserved punishment; while a man of high ethical standards and immaculate moral principles, who spends his whole life in self-sacrifice for the progress of humanity is doomed to damnation, unless he believe! What a horrible doctrine ! What a blasphemous conception of the justice of God!”

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Jun 2015, 08:15

"Subrahmanyan" is the spelling Sanjay uses; he has explained that his grandfather was particular that it should be close to the Samskritam word. Sanjay is a beautiful word and Sanjay was a fair-minded person in MB. Its etymological meaning also is quite sensible and auspicious.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 22 Jun 2015, 08:22

Chellappa,
I like that!

NarayaNA! is what I can say for your previous post

Harimau, I bet you like the mere sound of it, no matter the intent

Ramam · Post by **Ramam** » 22 Jun 2015, 09:24

Sanjay Subramanyan deserves the coveted award.
He has always expanded his musical presentation and did experiments but within the
lakshana and lakshaya of CM.
His contributions have made him stand ahead of many of his age.
Music Academy has not only awarded a person but its position regarding Carnatic Music forms-
the vintage, present presentation style and display of skill-sets.
All these are with Sangita Kalanidhi Sanjay Sunbramayan

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 22 Jun 2015, 09:25

I suddenly feel sorry for TMK. All the extra fringe work he did: writing, teaching dalit kids, innovating, et al., has not hit the intended SK target. No wonder the outburst and wrangle.

Harimau, he does have a good name though, does he not?

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Jun 2015, 09:27

The quote, Harimau, is about opinion based on well assimilated facts!

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 22 Jun 2015, 09:33

ramamantra wrote:I suddenly feel sorry for TMK. All the extra fringe work he did: writing, teaching dalit kids, innovating, et al., has not hit the intended SK target. No wonder the outburst and wrangle.

Harimau, he does have a good name though, does he not?

DOES HE? I am sure there are arm chair admirers ready to discuss your profound observation about "good name" & make the postings interesting without any enlightenment keeping up with the usual discussions about his unique novel things he has bequeathed to us to ponder & in some cases wonder...... VKV

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 22 Jun 2015, 09:38

cacm, may be you missed the sarcasm? Or am I the one seeing one where none exists.

sramanujan1943 · Post by **sramanujan1943** » 22 Jun 2015, 10:11

Congratulations to Sanjay Subramanyan! I am happy for him, but I am sorely disappointed with how several senior artistes have not been given due consideration for this award. What is wrong with the decision making panel in the Academy?
There are several other musicians who should have been considered instead - L. Subramanian, Chitravina/vocal exponent Ravikiran, OST, Flute Shashank and Tavil Vidwan A.K.Pazhanivel.
Having one award for vocal/instrumental/percussion is first of all a big mistake. The value of the Sangeetha Kalanidhi award is debatable at this point.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 22 Jun 2015, 13:26

kvchellappa wrote:To stray, I read and liked this:
“A man who believes that simple faith alone is a perfect and acceptable passport to eternal bliss will take no pains to lead either a decent or useful life. He is at liberty to commit all the crimes known to his nature; he may murder, steal, rape, and lie with impunity, for his faith .. will save him from his well-deserved punishment; while a man of high ethical standards and immaculate moral principles, who spends his whole life in self-sacrifice for the progress of humanity is doomed to damnation, unless he believe! What a horrible doctrine ! What a blasphemous conception of the justice of God!”

That seems to be a critique of Christianity.

In Sanatana Dharma, even non-belief in God is acceptable.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Jun 2015, 13:50

Yes. I omitted that reference, but any belief like in the story of Ajamila or what is generally said that chanting the name of god will burn away the worst of sins appears to be in that league.

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 22 Jun 2015, 14:17

From Sanjay's blog:
"It is a very great honour to have been chosen as this year’s Sangeetha Kalanidhi awardee by the Music Academy, Chennai. I would like to thank all my gurus who taught me this wonderful art form, my parents, family and the Carnatic music community for supporting me. Thanks for all your good wishes. It has been so spontaneous and overwhelming from all quarters, that it will take a couple of weeks for me to put my feet on the ground. I am just floating in the air like Madurai Mani Iyer’s Thaaye yashoda! A special shout out to all the well wishers on Twitter & Facebook especially. I promise to continue to perform to the best of my abilities and I look forward to more exciting musical times ahead."

thaaye · Post by **thaaye** » 22 Jun 2015, 16:03

ramamantra wrote:I suddenly feel sorry for TMK.

Why should you? He may be pioneering getting a broader canvas for the art with his initiatives. After all, the Carnatic world is often accused of a clique like mentality, what with the unholy nexus of MA and Hindu paper.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 23 Jun 2015, 07:35

kvchellappa wrote:A titbit:

Age of youngest Sangita Kalanidhis:
SSI: 39
Musiri: 40
Sanjay: 47
GNB: 48
BMK: 48
ARI: 49
MVI: 49
MLV: 49

I am reminded of a scene from the movie Avvai Shanmukhi.

Gemini Ganesan is showing his daughter's suitor a gallery of photos.

The conversation goes something like this:

"That is my grandfather, _______________ Iyer. Next is my father, _______________ Iyer. Then is me, ________________ Iyer. After that is it going to be you, Paandi? Kekkarathukku nannaa irukkaa?"

kapali · Post by **kapali** » 23 Jun 2015, 07:54

MMI got the SK award at 47.

maduraimini · Post by **maduraimini** » 23 Jun 2015, 08:02

Congratulations to Sanjay Subrahmaniam on the Sangitha Kalanidhi award. Really a deserving award. Sanjay has brought out many of our old Tamil songs and his concerts are engrossing. Kudos to the artist!

ramamantra · Post by **ramamantra** » 23 Jun 2015, 08:19

Harimau, you do have a wicked sense of humor, and it is funny sometimes too.

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 23 Jun 2015, 08:37

Kapali,
Thanks. I was wondering if MMI wasn't one among them.How old was MS when she got hers, and Pattamma?

I hope your girls are learning CM with more enthusiasm now! A pity we didn't say hello to each other a year and a bit ago, when the SK designee gave a lovely concert, and we were both there but didn't know it then:(

kvchellappa · Post by **kvchellappa** » 23 Jun 2015, 09:20

MS 52; DKP 51

SrinathK · Post by **SrinathK** » 23 Jun 2015, 09:35

MS = 51
DKP = 50
Palghat Mani Iyer = 54
Maharajapuram Vishwanatha Iyer = 49
Musiri = 39
Tiger Varadachariar = 56
KVN = 62
Alathoor Sivasubramania Iyer = 48
Alathoor Srinivasa Iyer = 53
Chembai = 54
Rajamanickam Pillai = 49
Mudicondan Venkatarama Iyer = 51
T Brinda = 63
Dr MBK = 47
DKJ = 62
Maharajapuram Santhanam = 61
TVS = 57
Mani Krishnaswamy = 62

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 23 Jun 2015, 10:24

Some analysis:
Average= 52
Std. Dev= 6.50
Sorted:
SSI 39
Musiri 40
BMK 47
Sanjay 47
Alat Sivasub I 48
GNB 48
BMK 48
MVI 49
RajamanickamP 49
ARI 49
MVI 49
MLV 49
DKP 50
MS 51
Mudicondan 51
Alat Sri I 53
PMI 54
Chembai 54
Tiger 56
TVS 57
Sathanam 61
KVN 62
DKJ 62
Mani Krish 62
Brinda 63

Not included in the above list is a number of awardees like TNK/MSG/UKS/VR/PR/TVG/TVS/TNS/MC/SR/BS/doyens....

Age of SK lower if popularity/unique/genius factor higher.
Age of SK higher if mainly known for classicism.

mahavishnu · Post by **mahavishnu** » 23 Jun 2015, 10:39

Now please normalize for mean life expectancy in the region during the birth year and then compute the individual z-scores.

Rsachi · Post by **Rsachi** » 23 Jun 2015, 10:51

For some time, kalAnidhi had acquired a "bad portent" tag... someone said it was "kAla"nidhi since some awardees moved on soon after. I think we are happily over that thought now.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 23 Jun 2015, 11:34

It means, from next year, SS will be singing in the morning slot in MA, which must be free. (or am I wrong ?) If TMK agrees to sing next year, we have two concerts available for us free.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 23 Jun 2015, 11:41

In 2013 after sudha was announced as sk designate , it took me four months to figure out the age of sudha till I bought the souvenir of MA where it was mentioned that sudha was born on 1957. Way back in 2013 many were arguing in forum then that sudha was way too young but actually she was 56(in 2013) , it is only sanjay who is way too young he is just 47(in 2015).

History repeats itself . semmangudi/musiri ...sanjay...gnb,mmi,mlv,bmk are all below 49 finishers .

I was thinking that musicicans like OST, Mannargudi easwaran , aruna sairam will surely get it and then Ravikiran/ Vijay/Sanjay generation will be touched .

Always easy to guess who is the SK for the next 8 years but who will get the next year is the only surprise. My thinking was indeed wrong though with the newspaper 4 part writeup i was kind of thinking sanjay may get closer.

rajeshnat · Post by **rajeshnat** » 23 Jun 2015, 11:45

grsastrigal wrote:It means, from next year, SS will be singing in the morning slot in MA, which must be free. (or am I wrong ?) If TMK agrees to sing next year, we have two concerts available for us free.

You are wrong , singing in morning usually happens when musicians are respected and they lose a bit of commercial status in evening slots . I think last year sudha had quite crowd and I think sudha and sanjay (the young and younger sk)will continue to enjoy evening ticketed status.

grsastrigal · Post by **grsastrigal** » 23 Jun 2015, 11:48

This moment, SS (we too) should think of LGJ, Madurai somu, TS Kalyanaraman who were deprived of Kalanidhi. SS should dedicate this (alteast mAnasEEkamaga...) to them before taking this award.

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 23 Jun 2015, 11:52

GRS - not to forget dear MDR ! probably costliest of mistake MA ever did

carnaticwriter · Post by **carnaticwriter** » 23 Jun 2015, 13:23

pattamaa wrote:not to forget dear MDR ! probably costliest of mistake MA ever did

Pattamaa, what happened with MDR that proved costliest mistake of MA? Pl enlighten.

hnbhagavan · Post by **hnbhagavan** » 23 Jun 2015, 13:30

Sudha Raghunathan after getting SK in 2013 was in the evening slot during Dec 2014.After getting SK one may not be in morning slot.In the evening slot the two concerts are combined such that one big crowd puller will be featured.As long as Sanjay has huge following,he will continue in the evening slot

MDR was overlooked whenever he was eligible labeling him as an artist from Kerala is not under consideration in the year so and so....
MDR made Chennai his home for his last 40 years,even then he was considered as artist from Kerala.
Palghat KVN mentioned that MDR should have got the award.

pattamaa · Post by **pattamaa** » 23 Jun 2015, 13:51

MDR was selected for the kalanidhi award in 1983-84 season, but due to internal politics in MA, it was not announced. He passed away few months later.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 23 Jun 2015, 13:56

arasi wrote:If you were a performing artiste, won't we refer to you as Harimau?

If? There is no if... of course he is a performing artist!

Congratulations to Sanjay. I really hardly know him or his music.

rupavathi wrote:And the reason behind the sudden publicity onslaught in the form of a 4-part interview in a newspaper run by the same guy that runs the Academy...
There are no coincidences!!!

I think it is another brother that runs the Bad-English daily these days: Ram, rather than Murali.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 23 Jun 2015, 14:14

Nick H wrote: I think it is another brother that runs the Bad-English daily these days: Ram, rather than Murali.

Correct, on the Bad-English part!

N Ram has retired as Managing Editor or Publisher or Chairman of the Board, or whatever titles he carried.

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 23 Jun 2015, 14:25

People don't like honesty.

Those people should stop reading this post here.

Till about 6 years back, Sanjay had no grip on thalam.

There was one concert at Bharath Sangeeth Utsav where he started a korvai, didn't come to edam, started it after a pause and didn't come to edam, and then in his third attempt landed on the right spot. He himself acknowledged that he had to do this because he could not finish the korvai at the right spot. All of this is documented in the video of the proceedings. But this wasn't the only instance. There were many occasions when his weak thalam was visible.

Definitely 12 years ago, I have heard him go off sruthi while singing. He slowly improved over the years.

Clearly, the message being sent by the Music Academy is: we will do what we want and you all just have to lump it.

About 5 years of reasonably good singing, within the limitations of one's voice, is all that is required to get Sangeetha Kalanidhi.

Were those the standards applied to persons like MMI, SSI, GNB, Musiri, Alathur Brothers, etc.?

harimau · Post by **harimau** » 23 Jun 2015, 14:35

Again, do not read this post if you have a cardiac condition.

N Ravikiran sings. Sanjay sings.

N Ravikiran composes songs and their music (over 750 compositions). Sanjay sings.

N Ravikiran plays the gottuvadhyam in addition to singing. Sanjay sings.

N Ravikiran digs up and popularises Oothukkadu's compositions. Sanjay sings lots of Tamil songs.

N Ravikiran demonstrated his musical prowess at age 3, identifying over 200 ragas at the Music Academy. Sanjay was finally able to work his feet into his shoes unassisted.

And I am to believe that the best candidate for SK this year actually got it?