SDM is on its way to the Oscar!
Another big day awaits ARR !
Rahman's Golden Globe award
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vganesh
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I still feel ARR could go up because he does not have a South Indian tag (rather Indian tag). I always felt injustice was done to Sivaji Ganesan as he never got "dhada Saheb" award though he is above all. Same case about Kamal hasan / Amir Khan. The whole country is talking about Amir as an intellectual but Kamal is much ahead.
Of course getting into Oscar is defintely a high for Indians. That way ARR has done a great job. Defintely a trend setter and you don't get such people every now and then.
Of course getting into Oscar is defintely a high for Indians. That way ARR has done a great job. Defintely a trend setter and you don't get such people every now and then.
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cmlover wrote:SDM is on its way to the Oscar!
Another big day awaits ARR !
And, another day for religious unity with his name pronounced as rAhman, instead of as rahmAn/rehmAn
After all, ISvar allAh tErO nAm...
Disclaimer
I have no plans to raise or rouse rabble
Just a comment with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek - a colleague pointed out that I pronounce the name differently than it was at the Golden Globes. I had missed it, but when I listened to the clip in post #14, I had to admit that he was right (around 1:16 or 1:17)-
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It is disturbing to see the 'slum shots' in SDM. Some think that it is 'India Bashing' which the West relishes very much. Not that slums don't exist in the west. I have seen worse in NY City. Don't know about London which Nick can elucidate! Perhaps SDM may win the Oscars for the seamy sides than on artistic merits. After all it may turn out to be a back-handed compliment to India !
Worth pondering on the eve of our Republic Day!
Worth pondering on the eve of our Republic Day!
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kannama
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I have no idea why SDM or Adiga are seen as examples of "India Bashing". Both present extremely plausible stories through different medium. The outcries and the chest-beats -- echoed here by CML -- are mere pointers to the extent of the denial-driven and ego-fuelled stupor that exists in India. In my view, the real sadness is that White Tiger and SDM present valid realities of/in India (just as Satyajit Ray did in some of his movies). Nothing wrong with that unless we prefer films that show randomly blithe heroes and heroines dancing around trees all the time!
Worth pondering on the day after our Republic Day!
Worth pondering on the day after our Republic Day!
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This is slowly getting to the point like when Some famous guy commented on the thousands of interviews that went into the making of the book by Masters and Johnson on Sex and Human Loving.
He commented : This book proves only one thing : Americans like to Talk .
One can go on endlessly about these things , but they will always end up in a grey area of surmise.Now why would one think that a filmmaker will deliberately choose a subject just to portray this soft underbelly.
The answer lies is what the film maker / author does with the rest of his time.
In the early 80s I saw a TV program about a person who had committed his life to the development of Ragpickers in Chennai .He had opened a School for those kids but had difficulty in getting them to send their kids to school.
Trying to gain their confidence , he was horror struck to know that he would not be accepted until he would live " their" life for days at a stretch.
And that included sharing their meals !
And the cuisine ? It consisted of leftovers from various dumping bins , mixed up in a huge pot , boiled all over again , and served.
That great man would recount :
"For days on end I would rush home after the meals and vomit in privacy , but that is a price I paid for my belief that these people needed to be helped.
By the time the story was being aired , his school had 100 students , and 5 were graduates ."
The pinch lies in the fact that these do not make good stories anymore .
The Oscars would have decorated themselves for honouring a" Do ankhen Barah hath" or a "Navrang" or even a "Masoom".
My own prescription would be to look at the technicalities of the award = worthy or not = and not jump on to the bandwagon of how these movies got catapulted to a state of reckoning.
And for those who are really interested in what the real India looks like , we have our own desi authors , all magnificent in their own right.
Now I understand why Shivram Karanth would just carry a few essentials on a stick and walk the length and breadth of a terrain that he 'knew' , wandering from village to village , in search of a storyline and a fitting backdrop for his landscape .
Mercifully , we do not need a movie to reconstruct those worlds of understanding,, for us .
And we dont need the awards to guide our choices either.
He commented : This book proves only one thing : Americans like to Talk .
One can go on endlessly about these things , but they will always end up in a grey area of surmise.Now why would one think that a filmmaker will deliberately choose a subject just to portray this soft underbelly.
The answer lies is what the film maker / author does with the rest of his time.
In the early 80s I saw a TV program about a person who had committed his life to the development of Ragpickers in Chennai .He had opened a School for those kids but had difficulty in getting them to send their kids to school.
Trying to gain their confidence , he was horror struck to know that he would not be accepted until he would live " their" life for days at a stretch.
And that included sharing their meals !
And the cuisine ? It consisted of leftovers from various dumping bins , mixed up in a huge pot , boiled all over again , and served.
That great man would recount :
"For days on end I would rush home after the meals and vomit in privacy , but that is a price I paid for my belief that these people needed to be helped.
By the time the story was being aired , his school had 100 students , and 5 were graduates ."
The pinch lies in the fact that these do not make good stories anymore .
The Oscars would have decorated themselves for honouring a" Do ankhen Barah hath" or a "Navrang" or even a "Masoom".
My own prescription would be to look at the technicalities of the award = worthy or not = and not jump on to the bandwagon of how these movies got catapulted to a state of reckoning.
And for those who are really interested in what the real India looks like , we have our own desi authors , all magnificent in their own right.
Now I understand why Shivram Karanth would just carry a few essentials on a stick and walk the length and breadth of a terrain that he 'knew' , wandering from village to village , in search of a storyline and a fitting backdrop for his landscape .
Mercifully , we do not need a movie to reconstruct those worlds of understanding,, for us .
And we dont need the awards to guide our choices either.
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cmlover
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When I said West I included Westernized Indians too who have imbibed the western values and are ready to empathize with them.
Eighty years ago when Miss Mayo wrote 'Mother India' Gandhiji dubbed it 'a drainage inspector's report'. Note that he did not 'deny' it and it became a best seller and became a tool for the benevelont Missionaries who came to India to rescue us.
Where else but in India a boy would jump into a pool of shit to obtain an autograph from Amita Bachan! I heard the audience giggle and one of them remarking 'they are like that! Dirty ******g people. '
worth pondering while paying homage to the Father of the Nation on the 30th...
Eighty years ago when Miss Mayo wrote 'Mother India' Gandhiji dubbed it 'a drainage inspector's report'. Note that he did not 'deny' it and it became a best seller and became a tool for the benevelont Missionaries who came to India to rescue us.
Where else but in India a boy would jump into a pool of shit to obtain an autograph from Amita Bachan! I heard the audience giggle and one of them remarking 'they are like that! Dirty ******g people. '
worth pondering while paying homage to the Father of the Nation on the 30th...
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kannama
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coolkarni: I have seen more Indian Arthouse films than even most of my Indian film critic friends! They are busy watching and reviewing Bollywood movies. So please do not patronise me or rubbish me with your "Obviously kanamma has seen only Satyajith Rays Movies and the ones where they run round trees." nonsense.
My comment on denial... How else would you explain CML's comment that New Yorks' slums are worse than those in India!
The point is that despite all the individual life-changing experiences that people like you may have had, India still remains a country that is filled with people who see red when someone portrays ground realities in a stark and in-your-face manner. There is a "how dare he" obsession here. The same obsession caused Satyajit Ray to be pilloried. The same obsession will cause politicians and sundry people to try and pillory Danny Boyle's efforts because it is compounded by a "how dare he, what does he know?" war cry!
SDM can be seen as a powerful critique of an intensely corrupt society depicted through the fabric of an extremely shallow script and woven on a thoroughly non-patronising canvas.
More power to Boyle.
What Boyle has depicted on the big screen -- and people like Mira Nair, before him -- actually embraces India for what she is. Instead of doing a Richard Attenborough, here we have a Western film maker who has embraced the Indian subject and presented some horrible material somewhat sensitively. This film has an Indian cast and much of the dialogue is in Hindi unlike efforts like "City of Joy" or "Gandhi". And in the end, it is very much an Indian film like "Ardh Satya" or "Manthan" or any of Girish Kasaravalli's or Adoor Gopalakrishnan's efforts, except it is now shown on a big stage. I think this needs to be applauded.
And what about the portrayal? It could be true could it not? Certainly plausible.
I think SDM is a tremendously important film in modern cinema. It is an advertisement to the confusing energies, skewed rhythms and the stunning emotion-scapes of cities like Mumbai, Shanghai and Cairo! It ought to invite film writers to similarly embrace such topics.
A film like this will attract scrutiny. That is to be expected. But is it patronising and somewhat shallow like the "City of Joy" was? Is there a hint of either Merchant or Ivory anywhere in the film? No. It does not, in my view, exploit, romanticise or sugar-coat suffering and poverty in a patronising manner. It presents a plausible reality reasonably sensitively within the context of a somewhat shallow plot. It should force movie-makers to embrace a potential hot potato with sensitivity. And that can't be a bad thing.
Moreover, it has less bling in 2 hours than a Bollywood movie has in 2 minutes!
My only problem with the film is that it had a Dickensanian sweet ending. That was too much chutzpah for me. The reality is horribly grim. The end depiction was a crowd-pleasing feel-good.
In my view, it accurately captures Mumbai's (India's) energy and tragedy. And the "how dare he" outrage that several Indians' feel is only to be expected. Satyajit Ray felt it too.
My comment on denial... How else would you explain CML's comment that New Yorks' slums are worse than those in India!
The point is that despite all the individual life-changing experiences that people like you may have had, India still remains a country that is filled with people who see red when someone portrays ground realities in a stark and in-your-face manner. There is a "how dare he" obsession here. The same obsession caused Satyajit Ray to be pilloried. The same obsession will cause politicians and sundry people to try and pillory Danny Boyle's efforts because it is compounded by a "how dare he, what does he know?" war cry!
SDM can be seen as a powerful critique of an intensely corrupt society depicted through the fabric of an extremely shallow script and woven on a thoroughly non-patronising canvas.
More power to Boyle.
What Boyle has depicted on the big screen -- and people like Mira Nair, before him -- actually embraces India for what she is. Instead of doing a Richard Attenborough, here we have a Western film maker who has embraced the Indian subject and presented some horrible material somewhat sensitively. This film has an Indian cast and much of the dialogue is in Hindi unlike efforts like "City of Joy" or "Gandhi". And in the end, it is very much an Indian film like "Ardh Satya" or "Manthan" or any of Girish Kasaravalli's or Adoor Gopalakrishnan's efforts, except it is now shown on a big stage. I think this needs to be applauded.
And what about the portrayal? It could be true could it not? Certainly plausible.
I think SDM is a tremendously important film in modern cinema. It is an advertisement to the confusing energies, skewed rhythms and the stunning emotion-scapes of cities like Mumbai, Shanghai and Cairo! It ought to invite film writers to similarly embrace such topics.
A film like this will attract scrutiny. That is to be expected. But is it patronising and somewhat shallow like the "City of Joy" was? Is there a hint of either Merchant or Ivory anywhere in the film? No. It does not, in my view, exploit, romanticise or sugar-coat suffering and poverty in a patronising manner. It presents a plausible reality reasonably sensitively within the context of a somewhat shallow plot. It should force movie-makers to embrace a potential hot potato with sensitivity. And that can't be a bad thing.
Moreover, it has less bling in 2 hours than a Bollywood movie has in 2 minutes!
My only problem with the film is that it had a Dickensanian sweet ending. That was too much chutzpah for me. The reality is horribly grim. The end depiction was a crowd-pleasing feel-good.
In my view, it accurately captures Mumbai's (India's) energy and tragedy. And the "how dare he" outrage that several Indians' feel is only to be expected. Satyajit Ray felt it too.
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kannama
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coolkarni
You said:
Having said that, I must say I have no intentions of standing in the path of you insisting on humiliating yourself in public.
You said:
Two points: Firstly, what is so patronising about my statement? I stated what I think and many believe is a reality. At worst I was mocking the Bollywood genre. Secondly, who is "us" in the above statement? And what makes me less "us" than you?In fact you were patronising us , in the first place
You could have checked my credentials and knowledge -- by asking, perhaps -- prior to leaping head first into a whirlpool of assumption that my movie credentials were either nonexistent or shallow. Checking would have been the right thing to do in a polite debate or even in a virulent dissension. Instead you chose the path of making a silly assumption and a dafter assertion that mocked my credentials.In fact I would not have made my statement if you had put all the facts on the table.
Having said that, I must say I have no intentions of standing in the path of you insisting on humiliating yourself in public.
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preposterous
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Guess it would be better if you don't say anything on these matters!cmlover wrote:When I said ...
Please stick to posts that are relevant to CM. The heading under rasikas.org says 'Carnatic Music Online Forums"
While I am sure many of the forumites will have opinions on these matters, I think it is better posted on relevant forums. Let us avoid discussing social/national issues, East/West etc. in this forum.
There is enough good info./knowledge etc one can gain about music, language etc in this forum which was the main reason I joined this very recently
While jokes and banter is fine to a certain extent we should restrain as much as possible. Freedom of expression is fine but lets express what is relevant to the forum
Our idea should be to come together on CM and our posts should facilitate so that members can contribute and enjoy matters relating to CM.
Something to think on 27 Jan and all other days
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preposterous
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I am ashamed and apologise for seeing posts like these.cmlover wrote: We no longer need the White Men to tell us who and what we are and what our goals should be!
This is from a land which said/says (I don't know the exact words, may be others like Arasi can provide the exact quote)
'Let noble thoughts come from all direction' or something similar to this effect.
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arunk
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I thought of posting what I thought the fundamental reason behind people complaining about SDM's fame - but I will keep quiet and say this instead:
Can I suggest that this thread be closed so that tempers can cool down? Besides all that has to be discussed of this topic (which has not much bearing on cm) has been discussed ? The original post was about Rahman's music (which has a very very faint relevance to cm) and it quickly morphed into western outlook on India (which has zero relevance to cm).
Arun
Can I suggest that this thread be closed so that tempers can cool down? Besides all that has to be discussed of this topic (which has not much bearing on cm) has been discussed
? The original post was about Rahman's music (which has a very very faint relevance to cm) and it quickly morphed into western outlook on India (which has zero relevance to cm). Arun
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"Seniors need no advice from half-baked 'pip-sqeaks' or self-styled CM pundits!" So, T.M.Krishna was right after all!!
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kannama
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coolkarni:
Oh come on! That's just not on in a mature debate or an argument especially between a young person like me and a (presumably) elderly man like you. To pick up your bat and ball and go home or to behave like "toddlers in a nursery picking up their marbles and walking away" (as ragam_talam puts it) are metaphors that aptly describe your departure from this thread in a huff.
At least I leave my arguments behind for history to judge me and my opinions. I stand by my arguments. I read your hasty deletions as you being embarrassed by your writings. It looks like even you are unable to stand by your arguments and have erased them lest history judges you for what you possibly are (or could be)!
I stand by my arguments now because I stood by them even as I made it.
My unsolicited advice to you is to count to 10 before you post next. If not, I am confident that you will leave behind a trail of self-deleted posts.
Oh come on! That's just not on in a mature debate or an argument especially between a young person like me and a (presumably) elderly man like you. To pick up your bat and ball and go home or to behave like "toddlers in a nursery picking up their marbles and walking away" (as ragam_talam puts it) are metaphors that aptly describe your departure from this thread in a huff.
At least I leave my arguments behind for history to judge me and my opinions. I stand by my arguments. I read your hasty deletions as you being embarrassed by your writings. It looks like even you are unable to stand by your arguments and have erased them lest history judges you for what you possibly are (or could be)!
I stand by my arguments now because I stood by them even as I made it.
My unsolicited advice to you is to count to 10 before you post next. If not, I am confident that you will leave behind a trail of self-deleted posts.
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cmlover
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Though Arun's advice is quite pertinent I am not closing this thread in the interest of Freedom of Expression and a decent discussion though social issues are only peripheral to CM. Let it not be construed as a license to insult respectable individuals through taunts and teases and challenges.
Mr coolkarni is a highly respected member of the Forum whose sage views and opinions are highly valued by the membership. He reserves the right to participate in debates at his own leisure. The present challenges and comments are highly immmature and not in line with a decent expression of dissenting view points. Mr coolkarni does not require any defence from myself or any other member for withdrawing from the debate and let that again be not construed as any weakness on his part.
I am afraid some of the new members need a lesson on the Forum Decorum and if they are not ready for a civilized discussion it may be necessary for us to reluctantly curb their posting previleges.
Take this as a warning
(you are at liberty to continue your debate through personal e-mails the way you want!)
Mr coolkarni is a highly respected member of the Forum whose sage views and opinions are highly valued by the membership. He reserves the right to participate in debates at his own leisure. The present challenges and comments are highly immmature and not in line with a decent expression of dissenting view points. Mr coolkarni does not require any defence from myself or any other member for withdrawing from the debate and let that again be not construed as any weakness on his part.
I am afraid some of the new members need a lesson on the Forum Decorum and if they are not ready for a civilized discussion it may be necessary for us to reluctantly curb their posting previleges.
Take this as a warning
(you are at liberty to continue your debate through personal e-mails the way you want!)
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kannama
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CML
Believe me. I respect coolkarni's contributions too. However, the fact that I respect his knowledge, his age and his post-count does not and should not give him the licence to degrade the contributions of others -- especially new-comers like me. Surely, you will agree that that should be part of forum decorum too! Right? Please scroll back and retrace how the degradation started. I did start with a provocative opinion I agree. But instead of attacking the opinion, coolkarni attacked the person that had placed the opinion. At least, that's how I read it. Please tell me I read it wrongly.
Like everyone else, I am also here to continue a civilised argument. I'd welcome coolkarni back to a civilised argument with open arms and with all the past forgotten provided I get the feeling that he respects my opinions too regardless of post-count and age!
That is my olive branch and I hold it out in all sincerity.
This is my last post on this topic unless I am dragged back into a debate on opinions, which I handle extremely easily.
Believe me. I respect coolkarni's contributions too. However, the fact that I respect his knowledge, his age and his post-count does not and should not give him the licence to degrade the contributions of others -- especially new-comers like me. Surely, you will agree that that should be part of forum decorum too! Right? Please scroll back and retrace how the degradation started. I did start with a provocative opinion I agree. But instead of attacking the opinion, coolkarni attacked the person that had placed the opinion. At least, that's how I read it. Please tell me I read it wrongly.
Like everyone else, I am also here to continue a civilised argument. I'd welcome coolkarni back to a civilised argument with open arms and with all the past forgotten provided I get the feeling that he respects my opinions too regardless of post-count and age!
That is my olive branch and I hold it out in all sincerity.
This is my last post on this topic unless I am dragged back into a debate on opinions, which I handle extremely easily.
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Krishnaneebegum,
I have absolutely NO intention of joining this fracas, but if you really feel that Kji (coolkarni) has 'always been patronizing', then there is something terribly wrong with this picture. His has been a voice of sanity, an impulse of generosity, and above all, and he is uniformly respectful. He practices what he preaches, and if his 'patronizing' is the sort that gets rewarded by the Shanmukhananda Sabha in Mumbai, and garners the blessings of the pontiff of the Kanchi Sankara Mutt, in addition to the undying gratitude of many thousands of music fans around the world, then, may he always be 'patronizing' - he is probably not patronizing enough!
Kindly think before you post....This is a democratic forum, but mudslinging is a rather lowly weapon to adopt.
I have absolutely NO intention of joining this fracas, but if you really feel that Kji (coolkarni) has 'always been patronizing', then there is something terribly wrong with this picture. His has been a voice of sanity, an impulse of generosity, and above all, and he is uniformly respectful. He practices what he preaches, and if his 'patronizing' is the sort that gets rewarded by the Shanmukhananda Sabha in Mumbai, and garners the blessings of the pontiff of the Kanchi Sankara Mutt, in addition to the undying gratitude of many thousands of music fans around the world, then, may he always be 'patronizing' - he is probably not patronizing enough!
Kindly think before you post....This is a democratic forum, but mudslinging is a rather lowly weapon to adopt.
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cmlover
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Kannamma
We are not here to pronounce judgements or decide who is right or wrong. Everyone has the freedom to express his/her opinion freely and frankly without being offensive. I issued the warning because you were taunting a member to respond to you. That was written in bad taste. That coolkarni is a respected long-standing member of this Forum is a well-known fact. He does not receive any special previleges/treament in comparison with any new member as we maintan democracy as far us possible. It is up to him to pursue the argument with you and you have no right to 'drag' him in if he doe not want to. Neither have I found anything offensive in his response to you so far, for you to be so provocative. I am not being unfair by any count since I did not close the topic but have given room for you and other members to express their views (non offensvely)without personally attacking other members.
Thank you for your cooperation.
You are welcome to the Forum, do continue and contribute constructively. I think it is best to bury the hatchet and move on instead of bickering over insubstantal issues!
We are not here to pronounce judgements or decide who is right or wrong. Everyone has the freedom to express his/her opinion freely and frankly without being offensive. I issued the warning because you were taunting a member to respond to you. That was written in bad taste. That coolkarni is a respected long-standing member of this Forum is a well-known fact. He does not receive any special previleges/treament in comparison with any new member as we maintan democracy as far us possible. It is up to him to pursue the argument with you and you have no right to 'drag' him in if he doe not want to. Neither have I found anything offensive in his response to you so far, for you to be so provocative. I am not being unfair by any count since I did not close the topic but have given room for you and other members to express their views (non offensvely)without personally attacking other members.
Thank you for your cooperation.
You are welcome to the Forum, do continue and contribute constructively. I think it is best to bury the hatchet and move on instead of bickering over insubstantal issues!
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preposterous
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CML mentioned - 'Nor do we need 'preposterous' suggestions as to what this Forum should discuss.'
While he has not specifically mentioned me (member prepsoterous) - what was wrong with my suggestion and why would anyone say that one does not need any suggestions. I would welcome feedback by other forumites on whether my suggestions were wrong - restrict discussions to CM.
With feedback from others I can correct my understanding the sentiments of the members of this forum.
CML,
Since you mention 'warnings' etc, I assume you are one of the moderators and have power etc. But it is worth taking time to see the facts.
Just couple of days back another post of yours had to be closed.
The whole SDM was brought into the discussion by you. You had posted on 25/1/2009 and quote "It is disturbing to see the 'slum shots' in SDM....."
It was unfortunate that few of the members took your bait and started discussing this.
Having started this, you mention Today (28/1/2009 @ 3.22) that ...'though social issues are only peripheral to CM" - and I thought my suggestion was exactly the same.
Your post on the thread "I should have shorted Satyam stock a month back" on 26/1/2009 included the following:
"With the Cleveland 2009 just two months away how do the cards read for the betting parents?".
What is the real purpose of this? I can only guess that this is just to 'provoke' some reactions and hijack the discussion.
While he has not specifically mentioned me (member prepsoterous) - what was wrong with my suggestion and why would anyone say that one does not need any suggestions. I would welcome feedback by other forumites on whether my suggestions were wrong - restrict discussions to CM.
With feedback from others I can correct my understanding the sentiments of the members of this forum.
CML,
Since you mention 'warnings' etc, I assume you are one of the moderators and have power etc. But it is worth taking time to see the facts.
Just couple of days back another post of yours had to be closed.
The whole SDM was brought into the discussion by you. You had posted on 25/1/2009 and quote "It is disturbing to see the 'slum shots' in SDM....."
It was unfortunate that few of the members took your bait and started discussing this.
Having started this, you mention Today (28/1/2009 @ 3.22) that ...'though social issues are only peripheral to CM" - and I thought my suggestion was exactly the same.
Your post on the thread "I should have shorted Satyam stock a month back" on 26/1/2009 included the following:
"With the Cleveland 2009 just two months away how do the cards read for the betting parents?".
What is the real purpose of this? I can only guess that this is just to 'provoke' some reactions and hijack the discussion.
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Dear preposterous
I am not keen on carrying on a personal debate with you through the Forum. You are free to contact me through the e-mail. But a few points for your information and those of your ilk.
We decide what topics are to be dicussed at the Forum and as to how it is to be administered. If you have any complaints you can take it up with the webmaster. Your private suggestions are always welcome.
You took up membership on 2009-01-12. if you have not been welcomed let me do so and it is not a simple tokenism. You have mentioned:
"Disclosure: My knowledge of CM is 0 and can't identify any ragas etc etc. But I enjoy the music and concerts. (I am sure over time and by listening more I will get to know these)"
Accordingly it is a bit presumptuous on your part to advise us on "restrict discussions to CM". You even started a provocative topic "Bhakthi and CM - TMK replies" which was running haywire with minimal input from you with requests to close the topic from members. Your pseudonym has provided ripples of laughter at the Forum and has led to some light banter which is fine and I used it in my post in the same vein without any offense you.
We have discussions on wide-ranging subjects which may be only peripherally related to CM but we are quite tolerant as long as the discussions are civilized and informative (humour being excepted . When they go out of control we do not hesitate applying the gavel but myself being originally a 'Freedom Fighter' (in a small way under Gandhiji) have strong resentment towards restriction of 'free speech'. I strongly defend our membership and their rights in expressing their views decently and witout ad hominems (in spite of the anonymity).That includes my views as well Incidentally the topic closed (by myself) was due to non-response(interest) on the part of the membership and the credit does not belong to you It belongs to the 'kaakataaLiya nyaaya' (or in Tamil 'kaakkai ERa panampazham vizhunthathu').
Let me not continue since I am not obliged to justify my actions to you but am doing it just out of courtesy. Just note that the Forum Policies are decided by us in a committee and it is futile to invoke support for your stance from kindred souls at the Forum
You are welcome to continue at the Forum and benefit from our valuable discussions as well as contributing your views freely in a civilized manner. But of course we reserve the right to eliminate you if you exceed your bounds and that is a warning
Let us join together cooperate and preserve the comity of this Forum whose goal is to promote and propagate CM globally. Don't despair in course of time
surely as you mention you will get to have a 'hang' of CM and other related topics and till then just hold your gun.
(You are at liberty to contact me through the Forum mail!)
Have a nice day!
Arasi has just indicated that the topic is ready to be closed and let me permit if any one is keen to have a few last (wise) words!
I am not keen on carrying on a personal debate with you through the Forum. You are free to contact me through the e-mail. But a few points for your information and those of your ilk.
We decide what topics are to be dicussed at the Forum and as to how it is to be administered. If you have any complaints you can take it up with the webmaster. Your private suggestions are always welcome.
You took up membership on 2009-01-12. if you have not been welcomed let me do so and it is not a simple tokenism. You have mentioned:
"Disclosure: My knowledge of CM is 0 and can't identify any ragas etc etc. But I enjoy the music and concerts. (I am sure over time and by listening more I will get to know these)"
Accordingly it is a bit presumptuous on your part to advise us on "restrict discussions to CM". You even started a provocative topic "Bhakthi and CM - TMK replies" which was running haywire with minimal input from you with requests to close the topic from members. Your pseudonym has provided ripples of laughter at the Forum and has led to some light banter which is fine and I used it in my post in the same vein without any offense you.
We have discussions on wide-ranging subjects which may be only peripherally related to CM but we are quite tolerant as long as the discussions are civilized and informative (humour being excepted
. When they go out of control we do not hesitate applying the gavel but myself being originally a 'Freedom Fighter' (in a small way under Gandhiji) have strong resentment towards restriction of 'free speech'. I strongly defend our membership and their rights in expressing their views decently and witout ad hominems (in spite of the anonymity).That includes my views as well Incidentally the topic closed (by myself) was due to non-response(interest) on the part of the membership and the credit does not belong to you It belongs to the 'kaakataaLiya nyaaya' (or in Tamil 'kaakkai ERa panampazham vizhunthathu'). Let me not continue since I am not obliged to justify my actions to you but am doing it just out of courtesy. Just note that the Forum Policies are decided by us in a committee and it is futile to invoke support for your stance from kindred souls at the Forum
You are welcome to continue at the Forum and benefit from our valuable discussions as well as contributing your views freely in a civilized manner. But of course we reserve the right to eliminate you if you exceed your bounds and that is a warning
Let us join together cooperate and preserve the comity of this Forum whose goal is to promote and propagate CM globally. Don't despair in course of time
surely as you mention you will get to have a 'hang' of CM and other related topics and till then just hold your gun.
(You are at liberty to contact me through the Forum mail!)
Have a nice day!
Arasi has just indicated that the topic is ready to be closed and let me permit if any one is keen to have a few last (wise) words!