Brilliant artists not fully recognized by the public&sabhas

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 20 Nov 2009, 13:09

Reg member MKR's opinion wish to say that TK Rangachary had much a varied fare to offer in his coincerts- eg, Jyotiswaroopini, Garudadhwani, Neelambari (elaborate alapana), Vagadheeswari, Ahiri etc in addition to a plethora of familiar ragas in an exquisite pattern. His concert contained 4-5 alapanas. But he could not get into the galaxy of those top artists. There are many such artists. If I am not deviating, yesterday I got a concert of BVRaman and Lakshmanan where they have sung a superb RTP in Suruti. They also did not get the deserved recognition.

vmr · Post by **vmr** » 20 Nov 2009, 15:31

Dear CRama,

Is is possible to post the concert of BV Raman/Lakshmam you are refering, in this thread. I am very much eager to listen to the Suruti RTP and other renderings.

Thanks
VMR

CRama · Post by **CRama** » 20 Nov 2009, 17:07

Dearvmr. First I should learn how to upload in this thread. I do not have any problem in sharing. If you are in Chennai or Bangalore, we can meet and share. You can collect my email id from the moderators.

rajanp · Post by **rajanp** » 25 Jan 2010, 17:47

Dear VMR
please tell me more about Trichy Malaiyappa Iyer (Father of Kanadukathan Rajaraman )
i met Sri Malaiappa ieyer in 1983 when i was 22 in TRichy as well as Sri Rajaraman, is Rajaraman still alive any family of his alive may do you have contacts,
i know Abhiramasundari very well , she was disciple of Sri Papa Venketramiah.
please mail me at [email protected]
i am from south africa

rajanp · Post by **rajanp** » 25 Jan 2010, 17:50

Tirukokarnam Ranganayaki Ammal, a disciple of Sri Dakshinamurthy Pillai is a noted great mridangam player who never ventured to the cities for name and fame.
i met her in 1983 in Pudukottai.

vmr · Post by **vmr** » 27 Jan 2010, 14:40

Hi RajaNP,

I am myself not aware about much details about Sri.Trichy Malaiyappa Iyer. My meternal Uncle who was a resident of Srirangam during the 1940s to 1960s had learnt from Sri.Malaiyappa Iyer & his son Sri. Rajararaman. I had heard from my uncle that Sri.Iyer was a student of Sri.Tanjavur Vaidhyanatha Iyer & he himself trained quite a few students in & around Trichy. That is as much as I know.

I myself have been a student of Guru.Sri.Karaikudi Mani and learnt for 5 years from him. I learnt my basics from Guru.S.V.Sathyanarayana, who was a resident of Secunderabad ( call Hyderabad ) and was a AIR graded artist and had accompanied the likes of Sri.BMK, BRC Iyengar, AKC Nataranaj Etc in Hyderabad and other parts of AP. He also used to play extensively for Dance performances of Guru.Sri.V.S.Ramamurthy of Hyderabad and his studens.

Regards.

VMR

keralamridangam · Post by **keralamridangam** » 05 Apr 2010, 16:08

Hello All,

I have something intresting to share. Please go through this links:

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/12/09/stor ... 370200.htm

http://www.hindu.com/fr/2008/05/23/stor ... 060200.htm

I've seen the performance of the disciples of late Sri Namboodiri. Though, it's not aesthetically appealing, the idea behind the ensemble is quiet unique and cumbersome to manage.

Any one amongst you knew this person? Heared about him? Seems he cpuldnt climb up the ladder... any thoughts about the reason... WHY he could not come up ???

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 08 Apr 2010, 14:10

balusatya wrote:Madurai Somu,

I disagree. Madurai Somu was a great crowd puller, greatly popular at a particular stage along with BMK. It is surprising how Music Academy missed him out for Sangita Kalanidhi. Other than that he occupied many important posts, etc., Definitely should not be included in this list!!

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 09 Apr 2010, 11:03

Ramasubramanian M.K wrote:-I know this for a fact-in Shanmukhananda sabha in Bombay in the Fifties, whenever they tried to get Chembai the ceiling was way below Rs.1000 and Chembai's non-negotiable minimum was Rs.1000--at that time Ariyakudi was the top and at his best years never got more than Rs.750 in Bombay

My humble suggestion to the senior rasika is that it is inappropriate and unethical to discuss relative remunerations of senior artists although it pertains to a period 60 years ago and the concerned persons are dead. This is confidential information during that day as much as it is today. Remunerations are based on demand and supply positions and can vary widely over a period of few years for the same artists. We should only remember their music. Of course anyone can declare his own earning (!!) 60 years back, although it may not be of much interest to anyone. This forum should be maintained a technical forum- not a old gossip platform. No offence intended.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 09 Apr 2010, 11:27

Oh goodness... considering some of the stuff that gets mentioned here, the matter of earnings is a very harmless matter indeed!

What's more, there are lots of "standard" stories about musicians and money --- whether they got paid or not; whether they accepted payment or not; comparison to accompanists or main artists; and so on and on.

No; money is not such a sensitive issue!

kssr · Post by **kssr** » 09 Apr 2010, 16:32

Nick H wrote:No; money is not such a sensitive issue!

Of course. As long as it is some one else's money!!

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 20 May 2010, 11:16

VKV Sir,
I am happy to inform you that Sri Venkateshwara Bhakthi Channel's(TTD) 'Nadaneerajanam' gives opportunity to many artists, irrespective of the popularity of such artists. Eventhough many talented artists are yet to perform, it is indeed pleasure to view and hear many artists of merit from Andhra who have performed in this programmes. If you approach SVBC, you will get the list of artists of great merits, who deserve recognition and reward. If you fail to get response, please do inform me, I shall volunteer to send you the list of meritorious performers, as early as possible.

munirao2001 · Post by **munirao2001** » 20 May 2010, 11:22

Forunites,
It is indeed sad to note that not only during his life time, but even after he departed, legend and vertern Sandhyavandanam Srinivasa Rao - with immense contribution as eminent performer, broadcaster, teacher, writer and speaker- is remembered

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 07 Aug 2010, 10:09

I suggest that the title be changed to read
The Brilliant Musicians, that we rasikas ignored and did not climb ladders to hear .
Did not Climb Ladders , from the depth of our ignorance -

True atleast in my case
That done , I can show some wonderful examples

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 07 Aug 2010, 11:48

Frankly, I think many chose to deliberately kick the ladder instead. The obsession with "success' and "popularity" is a recent trend and previous generations were very guarded against having their life hijacked by these.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 07 Aug 2010, 22:00

http://www.esnips.com/doc/2c450358-a768 ... harmavathi

A great phase from a concert in Hubli , 17 years ago.Will come back with the name of the artists , if someone is interested 8)

ragam-talam · Post by **ragam-talam** » 07 Aug 2010, 23:52

http://ramavarma.yolasite.com/unsung-genius---mdr.php

"M.D.Ramanathan was a musician who obviously had his priorities worked out rather clearly. He was first and foremost an artist, a musician and a devotee himself. It seemed almost incidental that he happened to give concerts on stage too from time to time. Many uninitiated and superficial listeners who are used to performers diluting their art and spoon feeding it to them, find M.D. Ramanathanâ€™s approach frustrating since, to appreciate him completely, there needs to be a healthy effort on the part of the listener too."

sureshvv · Post by **sureshvv** » 07 Aug 2010, 23:54

Incredible stuff... Were you aware that you were in the presence of greatness at that time?

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 08 Aug 2010, 02:27

mankuthimma wrote:A great phase from a concert in Hubli , 17 years ago.Will come back with the name of the artists , if someone is interested 8)

Just listening: beautiful.

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 08 Aug 2010, 03:26

Kulkarni sir,
My guess is Nagamani Srinath singing nInyAkO ninna hangyAkO in dharmavati. I could not guess on the accompanists.
Thanks for the beautiful piece.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 08 Aug 2010, 07:24

VVS . I was not there when it took place . But I agree it is one of a rare kind.I have not chanced
upon many occasions where Dharmavathi was handled so brilliantly , with an outstanding neraval , using the lyrics to great effect.
Sreeni - you are on the spot. That was kindergarten stuff for you I guess . But you will find surprises As I move to Andhra ++ territories .

Violin is by MS Govindaswamy --Mridangam by VS Rajagopala and Ghatam by MA Krishnamurthy.
Talking of Tanpura artistry , my wife says she has accompanied NS ( not this one though ) on a few occasions . He Guru Chandrasekhara Jois would insist that such an experience was an integral part of a training schedule , for a student . Especially for Seniors.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 08 Aug 2010, 07:37

Thank you for that beautiful dharmavathi, thimma.
I think this would qualify as one of those surprise pieces in the same vein as TKR's vAgadISwari discussed some time last year. NS largely keeps to the PDNS part of the scale in the opening movement (with some very beautiful gamakas sliding to the dhaivatam) and then sings the gandharam, surprising even the violinist for a brief instant! The alapanai was nicely tailored to the composition and the neraval was indeed wonderful. I enjoyed the violin accompaniment too (rich tone), though it's a bit jarring when he goes off on his own tangent briefly in the middle of the alapanai

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mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 08 Aug 2010, 07:55

Nick
Nice you liked it . She is singing words to the effect that
Who needs you - my Lord - or needs the burden of knowing you when I know that a simple uttering of your name would suffice . When the Kauravas tried to disrobe Draupadi , did not the uttering of Krishna work . And she transposes the cry for Krishnaaa with the reference to When the sarees were being pulled away in the masterly neraval.
Picking Dharmavathi for this was a master stroke too.
Some IA aircraft from Chennai to Mumbai must have been flying over Hubli at the instant. With TNS inside , as a passenger , looking down.
inspirational singing , at its best. Glad Bilahari took time off from his projects to listen .

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 08 Aug 2010, 08:32

ragam-talam wrote:http://ramavarma.yolasite.com/unsung-genius---mdr.php

"M.D.Ramanathan was a musician who obviously had his priorities worked out rather clearly. He was first and foremost an artist, a musician and a devotee himself. It seemed almost incidental that he happened to give concerts on stage too from time to time. Many uninitiated and superficial listeners who are used to performers diluting their art and spoon feeding it to them, find M.D. Ramanathanâ€™s approach frustrating since, to appreciate him completely, there needs to be a healthy effort on the part of the listener too."

How well said!

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 08 Aug 2010, 10:51

fduddy. How true. Like in this quote
for the original article please read http://pandc.ca/?cat=carl_jung&page=kumar_gandharva

"Time", according to Van der Post (1975), "has a knack of putting the truly great...well ahead of us, rather than in the past darkening so fast behind."
Kumar Gandharva today looms larger on the scene of the human spirit than he did in his own lifetime.

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 08 Aug 2010, 23:16

I think placing certain persons like MDR under this title category only EXPOSES THE UTTER IGNORANCE OF not only various organisations like M.A. ETC but the persons who are not objecting to it.. He does not need analysis & approbation frm ANY ONE. HIS MUSIC speaks for itself. If he was not given S.K. by the M.A. it just shows that either IGNORANCE or ABILITY to recognise the OBVIOUS. It must not be surprising because Mali& LGJ were not awarded the recognition at the PROPER TIME. ITS to the credit of Sri.Murali HE IS AT LEAST TRYING TO straighten OUT THE DOG'S TAIL....VKV

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 09 Aug 2010, 16:12

Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

http://www.mediafire.com/?hu2vmdtdlvgidk4
P Purushottam Sastry
With -G.Ramamohan Rao-Kamalakar Rao (18-5-1983)
If you cannot handle the krithi -SamuganaNilvaKalgunaKamalanana....KokilaVarali-without breaking down , please keep your smelling salts ready before hitting PLAY.
As my Dad would say : Who needs Heaven in after-Life.It is here when such musicians sing

thanjavooran · Post by **thanjavooran** » 09 Aug 2010, 16:50

cacm wrote:I think placing certain persons like MDR under this title category only EXPOSES THE UTTER IGNORANCE OF not only various organisations like M.A. ETC but the persons who are not objecting to it.. He does not need analysis & approbation frm ANY ONE. HIS MUSIC speaks for itself. If he was not given S.K. by the M.A. it just shows that either IGNORANCE or ABILITY to recognise the OBVIOUS. It must not be surprising because Mali& LGJ were not awarded the recognition at the PROPER TIME. ITS to the credit of Sri.Murali HE IS AT LEAST TRYING TO straighten OUT THE DOG'S TAIL....VKV

Kindly include TNR also in the list. Once Pithamahar boldly mentioned this in MA itself.

Thanjavooran 09 08 2010

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 09 Aug 2010, 17:00

mankuthimma wrote:Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

http://www.mediafire.com/?hu2vmdtdlvgidk4
P Purushottam Sastry
With -G.Ramamohan Rao-Kamalakar Rao (18-5-1983)
If you cannot handle the krithi -SamuganaNilvaKalgunaKamalanana....KokilaVarali-without breaking down , please keep your smelling salts ready before hitting PLAY.
As my Dad would say : Who needs Heaven in after-Life.It is here when such musicians sing

A more apt title would be Disgrace / Loss to Institutions who could not apreciate good music and honour artist at the appropriate time.
First in the list would be Music Academy (though they have done a tremendous service to the Art there has been a Huge failing or fall out)

gmohan · Post by **gmohan** » 09 Aug 2010, 19:55

mankuthimma wrote:Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

http://www.mediafire.com/?hu2vmdtdlvgidk4
P Purushottam Sastry
With -G.Ramamohan Rao-Kamalakar Rao (18-5-1983)
If you cannot handle the krithi -SamuganaNilvaKalgunaKamalanana....KokilaVarali-without breaking down , please keep your smelling salts ready before hitting PLAY.
As my Dad would say : Who needs Heaven in after-Life.It is here when such musicians sing

Very nice, downloaded and finished listening in one go, really enjoyed it. Thanks
Mohan

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 09 Aug 2010, 22:42

mankuthimma wrote:Still Hoping that Mods will Change the Title of this thread to something more respectful.

Please suggest an alternative title.

"Brilliant but not famous musicians" ?
Anything better ?

cacm · Post by **cacm** » 10 Aug 2010, 01:02

The word famous is subject to perception based in this case at least on ILL CONCEIVED & IRRELELEVENT(MOSTLY) CRITERIA....May be: Brilliant but not fully recognised as such by public perception or words to that effect. VKV

thenpaanan · Post by **thenpaanan** » 10 Aug 2010, 03:58

mankuthimma wrote:http://www.esnips.com/doc/2c450358-a768 ... harmavathi

A great phase from a concert in Hubli , 17 years ago.Will come back with the name of the artists , if someone is interested 8)

Listening to this piece is one of those rare times when time stands still.... the mark of a true artist. First she draws you in by sheer virtuosity and you stop thinking about other things. Next you are trying to guess what she is going to do next at every turn but she keeps surprising you at every step. Now you are hooked as surely as a fish on bait and cannot let go. Then the music pervades your being and you are on a cloud, not wanting to come down. Suddenly some forty minutes have gone by.

Thanks again, Coolji.That was spectacular.

-Thenpaanan

Ps. When the violin went to mantrasthAyi in the AlApana (somewhere in the vicinity of 8:45 and again around 9:40), there was a certain roughness that made it sound like a flute. Quite an interesting but fleeting effect. I had never heard it before.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 10 Aug 2010, 04:02

VKV's suggestion of "Brilliant but not fully recognized" sounds good to me. I have changed the title to reflect that.

fduddy · Post by **fduddy** » 10 Aug 2010, 08:44

vasanthakokilam wrote:VKV's suggestion of "Brilliant but not fully recognized" sounds good to me. I have changed the title to reflect that.

VK, why only the public. It is also the Music Sabhas who have ignored/neglected!
It will be more apt to include that as well!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 10 Aug 2010, 10:46

fduddy, ok, edited to include that. The title holds only so many letters, so I had to move/change words around a bit. It is packed to the max now!!

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 10 Aug 2010, 11:07

http://www.mediafire.com/?zotfh7ioutjvkb4
Thanks VK . We can squeeze in more worthy names now.

Pristine Veena . Will bring in the artist's name a bit later just to give the artistry an unconditioned look.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Aug 2010, 06:43

# 87
That was P VasanthKumar on the Veena playing a concert in Hubli.

Here is Kazhugumalai Kandaswamy in a sparring session with his Guru Madurai Somu - an immortal track.

http://www.mediafire.com/?f8d8s2q1vdlpl12

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 16 Aug 2010, 09:19

http://www.mediafire.com/?jt8c6ho66h62f9d

A fine RTP in Hindolam.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 17 Aug 2010, 06:43

That was by Shakunthala Narasimhan

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 17 Aug 2010, 10:26

Fantastic RTP. Thanks Thimma. I will use this as an illustrative piece for the kaLai discussion in the thala forum.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 17 Aug 2010, 11:18

I will use this as an illustrative piece

Not surprising . Keerthi trains under SN , too.

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 17 Aug 2010, 11:31

Ah... I did not know that. Excellent.

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 17 Aug 2010, 15:56

Thank you for Shakuntala Narasimhan's RTP - it is excellent.

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 11 Sep 2010, 09:40

Track 1 http://www.mediafire.com/?1tm8k5958g4gy18
Upplapatti Ankiah - Akellaji

Track 2 http://www.mediafire.com/?wc7dasb3qe50504
Sathur Subramaniam

Track 3 http://www.mediafire.com/?y7k5d11bzbo87en
Mayavaram S Rajam

Track 4 http://www.mediafire.com/?yj2g8a10kvos5se
Tripunithara Viswanatha Bhavathar

Track 5 http://www.mediafire.com/?j94ct7txs9o8nex
Dr K Vageesh.

Track 6 http://www.mediafire.com/?892zn569zr8dihi
Singanallur Radhakrishnan

Track 7 http://www.mediafire.com/?7i4tc9j1h0dfmdj
M Balasubrahmanya Sarma

Continuing from where I left off in the Ghatam-Grinder thread , I propose to tickle rasikas with atleast 100 tracks.
And try to gage, how big is the gap , between Inherent Virtue and Moderate fame in our circles.
I was not good at identifying either .
Will stick to short and compelling phases in concerts.
On demand I can bring in the full concert / excerpt .

knrh05 · Post by **knrh05** » 12 Sep 2010, 07:12

is the Bhaja Govindam track Sathur Subramaniam? No clue about the rest.

KN

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Sep 2010, 07:41

Excellent . KN.
You (others ) could mention a few lines if you liked something about it. Applies to other tracks too.

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 12 Sep 2010, 18:57

mankuthimma sir,
some clues, please!
enjoying the vachaspati RTP immensely, would love to know the artistes!

mankuthimma · Post by **mankuthimma** » 12 Sep 2010, 19:22

I thought One was obvious to you . Where Rathipathipriya is touted as sharadapriya ( veena Venkatagiryappa's composition )
The case where someone gave up a career in science , for one in art :tmi:

Vachaspathi was by Uppalpatti Ankiah . Our Guruji Akella Sarma is on the violin here. MSG's Ekalavya

Sreeni Rajarao · Post by **Sreeni Rajarao** » 12 Sep 2010, 20:10

Track # 7 is Nedanuru Krishnamurthy.