Sangitha Kalanidhi 2009

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 17 Jun 2009, 18:55

Just for a moment after seeing the name "ts" i thought trichy sankaran sir has joined our forum??? [:P]

Arvind...

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 17 Jun 2009, 19:00

nick H wrote:I heard tell that Trichy Sankaranan is to receive the title this year.

harimau must be livid with outrage

Of course, his indignation [if this is true] will be broadcast at louder volumes than the so-called loudness of Sankaran Sir's mrudangam... let the fun begin!

prashant · Post by **prashant** » 17 Jun 2009, 19:04

Tulip wrote:He is just an average musician.

What is the basis for this statement...?

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 17 Jun 2009, 19:11

I hope we do not have among rasikAs a member of the decision making body in Music Academy who can get prejudiced by some of the comments

kadambam · Post by **kadambam** » 17 Jun 2009, 20:18

VK RAMAN wrote:I hope we do not have among rasikAs a member of the decision making body in Music Academy who can get prejudiced by some of the comments

Contrary to your opinion, i hope there is, so some of the genuine musicians might get some attention. There are some giants mentioned in the list, who are true upasakas, who wouldn't indulge in any form of lobbying.

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 17 Jun 2009, 22:56

For those who don't know my fellow Canadian, here is an inkling of this international star:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichy_Sankaran

raghavt · Post by **raghavt** » 18 Jun 2009, 00:51

prashant wrote:
Tulip wrote:He is just an average musician.
What is the basis for this statement...?

There is no basis for this statement. Probably, the person has posted just to get attention or make others post comments on basis of his statement

raghavt · Post by **raghavt** » 18 Jun 2009, 01:02

I'm sure almost all of us would have heared this. Still, lemme post this link of the Airport Concert. Sanakarn sir would have been hardly 23-24 years of age, accomapnying Semmangudi, such a senior vidwan. See the matured and text book accompaniment. Also, weight of the Toppi in a 'Kucchi' mridangam. One song is enough to prove whatever I just wrote - "Marubalka". Not to mention the sweet violin accompaniment by yet another Great Tiger, Lalgudi.

http://tinyurl.com/mczr5m

Tulip · Post by **Tulip** » 18 Jun 2009, 01:33

delete

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 18 Jun 2009, 02:04

Does this mean that there will be folks who would say 'Don't hold ArAdhanAs abroad, don't teach children and college students CM there, it belongs only in India? Just as you seem to say that CM vidvAns aren't worthy of the honors that are conferred in India even if they inspire the locals to learn and to listen to CM? Then, do CM rasikAs count if they live abroad?
As for the rasikA who started this thread, I would not call him the type who draws attention to himelf!
Of course, we are all entitled to our tastes, no doubt...

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 18 Jun 2009, 02:19

Of course Chennai is the only place for CM
Thyagaraja is the only CM vageyakaraka
Telugu is the only language for CM
Rama is the only God to be venerated through CM
Brahmins are the only entitled to sing (and teach and listen to) CM
Only males are allowed to sing CM
....

raghavt · Post by **raghavt** » 18 Jun 2009, 03:06

Look how the debate is revolving around the point - whom to award SK. What was the main topic for the thread - TS sir may be awarded. Are we not deviating from the main subject and indulging in a meaningless debate, much to the amusement of the person ( I'm sure Mr. NickH will agree) who started this thread

In response to Tulip Today 06:03:

Everyone is entitled to have their views. Do appreciate all the comments

But the reality will not cease... the fact is that Trichy Sankaran is top class Vidwan (whether he is a NRI or CRI - chennai resident indian). Should we debate about the person who should be awarded? I think NO. Let MA people do it... let them play politics or whatever and decide.

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Jun 2009, 03:08

Yes, Tulip, of course you have every right to your opinions --- and others have rights to their opinions of your opinions --- and so on

In this case, I would say that your opinions are unjustified, unfounded, and unkind. --- just my opinion!

raghavt · Post by **raghavt** » 18 Jun 2009, 03:11

who specially is not even someone that one would crave to listen to.

May be true for Mr. Tulip.... But not for 100s of other rasikas....

Can only smile at such comments

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Jun 2009, 03:20

Well, I did not expect a debate, I hoped for a simple confirmation!

However, the debate (before the event, after the event, or both) is a rasikas.org Tradition (;)) and, as has been remarked already, if I hadn't unwittingly started it, someone else would.

raghavt · Post by **raghavt** » 18 Jun 2009, 03:34

nick H Today 07:50 - I agree. But don't you think it should be a healthy debate?

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Jun 2009, 04:07

Indeed, I do!

I guess that such a debate, by its very nature, must include criticism as well as praise, but it would be nice if we maintained respect for the artists under discussion.

I guess that it is a subject where the debate is going to become warm, but, as far as I know, not even our most senior members are in the know about the discussions leading to the selection, and many assumptions get made.

I also guess that if I'm wrong about that, the concerned in-the-know member[s] would be duty-bound not to let on.

raghavt · Post by **raghavt** » 18 Jun 2009, 04:18

nick H... are you the same person who called out to Sankaran sir from a car, outside the MA, just after his lec dem last December?

saadhyaa · Post by **saadhyaa** » 18 Jun 2009, 06:31

hi all

how about Veena Gayathree of Ms. A Kanyakumari for SK this year...

saadhyaa

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 18 Jun 2009, 10:29

Just thought of sharing an opinion with all of you even if it deviates from the topic.. Was just going through the SK awardees list and found that Sri .Muthiah Bhagavathar was awarded SK in 1930 and Sri.EmbAr VijayarAghavAchAriAr in 1982. So why not an harikathA artiste this time??

Not sure how many of you would have heard Sri.KalyAnapuram ArAvamudhAchAriAr swAmi's kAlakshEpam..But from whatever i have heard him for the past 6-7 years its absolutely soul stirring to say the least. Music Academy would do a great favour to the declining art of harikathA kAlakshEpam...

http://www.sangeethapriya.org/Downloads/kpma/

Just outstanding vidhwath.... no words at all......

Arvind..

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 18 Jun 2009, 10:47

and also this year being Sri.Embar's centenary...

rbharath · Post by **rbharath** » 18 Jun 2009, 10:59

another harikatha exponent who has been in contention for so many years and truly deserves it is...

Thanjavur Smt. Kamala Murthy.

also, i think R Anantakrishna Sarma who was awarded SK in '74 was a harikatha artist too. not sure of this though.

The General Body Meeting of the academy is scheduled for the 28th June. So, lets wait for some official communique.

I still believe it is a vocalist this year. I believe, the vocalist lobby is way too strong to let the instrumentalist snatch their rightful share. Trichur Ramachandran, Bombay Sisters, Rama Ravi, Charumathi Ramachandran, Suguna Purushottaman... or Parassala Ponnammal or Manakkal Rangarajan... the list of ppl who deserve is much longer...

Nick H · Post by **Nick H** » 18 Jun 2009, 13:44

raghavt wrote:nick H... are you the same person who called out to Sankaran sir from a car, outside the MA, just after his lec dem last December?

Raghavt is watching us!!!

How curious that you should remember, but now that you remind me, I remember too, and yes, that was me. I was chasing after an illusory Rasikas' meet, and, unfortunately, did not attend the lecdem.

VISHNURAMPRASAD · Post by **VISHNURAMPRASAD** » 18 Jun 2009, 15:18

In my opinion this year MA should honour a vainika or a nadaswara vidwan as it has been long time since a vainika or nadaswara vidwan is honoured. If we recall the contributions of the yesteryear nadaswara vidwans to the cause of music and to the cause of evolution of great musicians like Semmangudi / GNB, this will be the best time to revive the great Nadaswara tradition which has no big takers now a days due to loss of patronage from temples and samasthanams. The first step is to bestow SK to a veteran Nadaswara vidwan, IMHO.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 18 Jun 2009, 17:26

You can probably take the clarinet of Shri A K C Natarajan to be almost nadaswaram. Otherwise, the last nadaswaram vidwan to be honoured to be honoured was Vidwan Sheik Chinna Moulana, in 1998. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangeetha_Kalanidhi

You can, to be happy, take Shri TNS to be a vainika too. But I have an idea about the people awarded after 1993 (Vidwan TK Murthy of '94 onwards), and none of them are "full-time" vainikas. The most recent vainika I recognise is Shri K S Narayanaswami, way back in 1979.

Without doubt, the list of deserving vidwans definitely includes great vainikas. I'm getting the feeling 1 melodic instrument three years is just not able to manage the large variety of instruments!

It will also be great to see some non-mridangam percussionist awarded some time. Has anyone been awarded in the past at all? Any ghatam, thavil or kanjeera vidwan?

Update: Vidwan Doreswamy Iyengar (awarded in '84) was a vainika too.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 19 Jun 2009, 04:52

In that include moorsing too.

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 19 Jun 2009, 06:00

Oh, that is a good point. Surely upapakkavadya artistes should be honoured too?

rajumds · Post by **rajumds** » 19 Jun 2009, 10:20

srikant1987 wrote:
Update: Vidwan Doreswamy Iyengar (awarded in '84) was a vainika too.

1992 - K.P Sivanandam was the last vainika to get SK

kadambam · Post by **kadambam** » 19 Jun 2009, 20:21

Trichy Sankaranan
Trichur V Ramachandran
Valayapatti Subramaniam
Sudha Raghunathan
K. J. Yesudas
Lalgudi G. Jayaraman
Karaikudi Mani
VVS
Guruvayur Dorai
S.Rajam
ManakkAl rangarAjan
Prof TR Subramaniam
nAgai muralidharan
Aruna sayeeram
Prof S R Janakiraman
Smt. Kalpakam Swaminathan
Veena Gayathree
Ms. A Kanyakumari
Sri.KalyAnapuram ArAvamudhAchAriAr
Thanjavur Smt. Kamala Murthy
Bombay Sisters,
Rama Ravi,
Charumathi Ramachandran,
Suguna Purushottaman,
Parassala Ponnammal

Just an update on the Nominee Roster, 25 so far,

Moderators, is it possible to conduct a poll?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 19 Jun 2009, 20:31

Mandolin U Srinivas
Kadri Gopinath
Guitar Prasanna
Ganesh Kumaresh
Kanjira Purushottaman
GhaTaM vinayakram
Keyboard Satya
....

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 20 Jun 2009, 03:42

I would be happy if one of the 3 mridangam giants - TS, Dorai or Karaikudi Mani get the award. Trichy Sankaran is a giant, no doubt, whether NRI or not. Someone from the Palani school (either him or Dorai) should get the award.

Parassala, TRS & Manakkal are equally likely contenders.

Mandolin Srinivas, Ganesh Kumaresh, Aruna, Charumathi, Trichur, Sudha & KJY appear to be among the most unlikely people to get it. Keyboard Satya???

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 20 Jun 2009, 05:49

^^^

Well, Charumathi and Trichur (Ramachandran, if you meant him) become likelier if you consider the "vocalist year" thing.

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 20 Jun 2009, 06:21

is Sangeetha kalanidhi conferred posthumously too?

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 20 Jun 2009, 09:39

When there are so many deserving musicians still on the waiting list who live among us, why think of giving the award posthumously?
In fact, giving two awards, one for a vocalist and the other for an instrumentalist every year would mean less time of waiting for many deserving vidvAns

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 20 Jun 2009, 14:03

rbharath wrote:

also, i think R Anantakrishna Sarma who was awarded SK in '74 was a harikatha artist too. not sure of this though.

SangIta kalAnidhi rALLapalli AnantakrSNa sarmA was many things - A linguist;Scholar in Sanskrit, several prAkrits, telugu,kannaDa; a musician, teacher of music, tunesmith, critic, poet, playwright, translator,orientalist; historian, almost pontiff of the mysore parakAla muTT(was offered, politely refused..), expert at peeling an orange, with the peel coming all out in one piece; and very likely manymore things; but was not a harikathA exponent..

see http://sites.google.com/site/rallapallisharma/ for details..

srkris · Post by **srkris** » 20 Jun 2009, 17:07

srikant1987 wrote:Well, Charumathi and Trichur (Ramachandran, if you meant him) become likelier if you consider the "vocalist year" thing.

What is the meaning of "vocalist year" thing?

VK RAMAN · Post by **VK RAMAN** » 20 Jun 2009, 19:42

arasi wrote:When there are so many deserving musicians still on the waiting list who live among us, why think of giving the award posthumously?
In fact, giving two awards, one for a vocalist and the other for an instrumentalist every year would mean less time of waiting for many deserving vidvAns

Celebrate the living legends and may the rest of the souls live in peace!

vasanthakokilam · Post by **vasanthakokilam** » 20 Jun 2009, 21:14

keerthi, that is a great punch line!!

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 20 Jun 2009, 21:34

Yes, VKokilam, very impressive--but not surprising. Many creative artistes are artistic in their expression in every day life too. Enjoying the finer things in life does not mean living a lavish life. To savor a good cuisine, doing ordinary things with flair, like peeling an orange in one long ribbon-with zeal, and may I say, zest?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Jun 2009, 00:43

What is so great there? I know of several vidvaans who could polish off several oranges in just one sitting

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 21 Jun 2009, 06:41

@ srkris

For the past many years, they've been awarding a vocalist, followed by a percussionist, followed by a melodic instrumentalist, and then another similar cycle: vocalist, percussionist, melodic instrumentalist.

Last year Shri AKC Natarajan was awarded, and the year before last, Late Shri Palghat Raghu was awarded (thankfully they didn't delay awarding him for next round, or he might've never received it!) So this year is supposed to be a vocalist's turn ... though we indeed find QUITE A FEW very deserving instrumentalists (percussion and melody).

arasi · Post by **arasi** » 21 Jun 2009, 06:44

So, I wonder again. Why not give one for a vocalist every year and give one to an instrumentalist too, making it a different instrument every year?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 21 Jun 2009, 07:08

What about 33% ?

bilahari · Post by **bilahari** » 21 Jun 2009, 07:43

I like the idea of one vocalist and one instrumentalist being awarded every year. We have so many deserving candidates.

srikant1987 · Post by **srikant1987** » 21 Jun 2009, 08:12

I think the proportion of instrumentalists needs to be increased a bit, since it is believed that the average age at which instrumentalists get the award has been greater in general. One vocalist and one instrumentalist (melodic / percussion) every year will only give vocalists even more representation (50% as against the present 33%).

keerthi · Post by **keerthi** » 23 Jun 2009, 11:13

arasi wrote:Enjoying the finer things in life does not mean living a lavish life. To savor a good cuisine, doing ordinary things with flair, like peeling an orange in one long ribbon-with zeal, and may I say, zest?

In light of the 'zestful' remarks about one kalAnidhi each for vocalists and instrumentalists; I hope the 33% reservation comments are 'just' in 'jest', or we may have reservations about the idea...

And how come no dancer after bAlasaraswathi got the SK.. Did they decide that they won't do it.. Surely there isn't a dearth of dancers well-versed in the gIta-vAdya-nrtya aspects of their art..

DhanammAL went to dance recitals even after she turned blind, just to listen to PandAinallur MInAkSi sundaram Pillai sing.. The seperation, and non-interaction of the musicians and dancers doesn't bode well for the future of both art forms..

semmu86 · Post by **semmu86** » 10 Jul 2009, 16:43

any updates so far

????

davalangi · Post by **davalangi** » 10 Jul 2009, 19:50

cmlover wrote:What about 33% ?

CML - Was this in reference to "Mumbai Express"?

cmlover · Post by **cmlover** » 10 Jul 2009, 20:05

Actually I was thinking of the political debate going on for the 33% reservations for women. Since women are totally under represented among the SKs perhaps it is time to foreclose before women get organized! (arasi can get the ball rolling with an awareness campaign

Rasika911 · Post by **Rasika911** » 10 Jul 2009, 20:08

cmlover wrote: Keyboard Satya
....

Seriously???