pantula rama @ music academy - 2009-12-17 @4:00pm

mokshamugalada · Post by **mokshamugalada** » 17 Dec 2009, 22:59

rtp in mohana, grahabhedham at "ri" (brindavana saranga) and "pa" (hindola) for ragam, tanam and pallavi.

pallavi in chatusra ata.
1st lagu in mohanam,
2nd lagu - grahabhedham at "ga" - hindolam,
dhritams - grahabhedham at "ri" - brindavana saranga.
swaram on same lines.

rshankar · Post by **rshankar** » 18 Dec 2009, 02:17

WOW! Very impressive and erudite. I am very amazed that you got that...

Jigyaasa · Post by **Jigyaasa** » 18 Dec 2009, 04:25

GrahabhEda at ri should yield madhyamAvati, not brindAvana sAranga...

appu · Post by **appu** » 18 Dec 2009, 04:34

I reached the sabha early with the hope of getting good seats for the Ravikiran concert. I attended Pantulu Rama's concert too. A very mediocre performance. Nothing fancy to rave about.

mokshamugalada · Post by **mokshamugalada** » 18 Dec 2009, 07:03

madhyamavati or brindavana saranga - janyas of same melakarta - depends on the treatment, swarasthanams being the same.
sadharana gandhara prayoga in brindavana saranga is not unknown too.
if one were to choose between durbar or nayaki, during a grahabhedham, it is up to the vidwan/vidushi to craft.

lalitha · Post by **lalitha** » 18 Dec 2009, 07:40

Jigyaasa wrote:GrahabhEda at ri should yield madhyamAvati, not brindAvana sAranga...

If that were the case, then it can't be Madhyamavathi either, because, Madhyamavathi has a trisruthi Rishabham; how would you produce a trisruthi rishabham during Grahabedham? This flexibility is all about our music.

Lalitha

mokshamugalada · Post by **mokshamugalada** » 18 Dec 2009, 07:40

certain old school styles will be non-fancy. especially in these days of "flash animations" (sometimes irritatingly mouse over) for everything. organizations like cleveland aradhana are promoting something called "sustaining sampradaya". old timers like me tend to crave for the old school.

pganti · Post by **pganti** » 18 Dec 2009, 16:07

WOW!! must have been a treat!!

vsarmaiitm · Post by **vsarmaiitm** » 18 Dec 2009, 21:46

I am sorry to say, some of the discussions/opinion are really disappointing ! People give their opinion (mediocre etc.) without second thought and without any reasoning and substantiating it. The only justification is everyone has a right to give his/her opinion.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
Many seem to think they are experts in raga, laya like saint tyagaraja exclaimed here.
http://thyagaraja.sulekha.com/blog/post ... a-raga.htm
We seem to have many such experts on this forum !! God bless them with true knowledge !

johnlovescm · Post by **johnlovescm** » 18 Dec 2009, 21:59

appu wrote:I reached the sabha early with the hope of getting good seats for the Ravikiran concert. I attended Pantulu Rama's concert too. A very mediocre performance. Nothing fancy to rave about.

This is an open ended statement and does not mean anything. What do you mean by 'fancy to rave about'
How many concerts have you attended or listened of this artist?
She is one of the outstanding artists of today and comes from a solid background in terms of her Gurus.
Forming an opinion without any substance is utter nonsense!!

cpmadhu · Post by **cpmadhu** » 18 Dec 2009, 22:05

I attended the same concert and I truly enjoyed Pantula Rama's performance . I liked the RTP though I cannot comment on the nuances of the Grihabhedam. This is the first time I listened to her and will try to attend one more during this season

balusatya · Post by **balusatya** » 19 Dec 2009, 00:30

* She sings with classicism @ leisurely pace excelling in Raga bhava,depth& sahitya bhava.e.g.Bhairavi swarajathi-SS-Kamakshi.Ardanareswaram-Kumudakakriya-Dikshidhar.
* I think many people have still not heard her.
*I too was biased with her name till I attended her concert first during last season.
*M.S.N..Murthy (husband) violin was nice &supporting.
*Grahabedam RTP- is the talk of the town.good &hard excercise -deserves commendation.
*The ragams viz-Hindolam &Brindavana saranga became weaker in swara patterns not so much pleasing to hear as much clear as Mohanam.Brindavana saranga in my perception was only heard in R..S (Rannga).Probably one must get used to it more often.
* This domain is no longer exclusive to a few artists.

mokshamugalada · Post by **mokshamugalada** » 19 Dec 2009, 00:38

grahabhedham is difficult for vocalist no doubt - it is exceedingly even more so for violinists.
i agree sri balusatya.

lahari · Post by **lahari** » 19 Dec 2009, 09:33

Her voice is mellifluous. she is unpredictable and that is what makes her spontaneous. After an elaborate bhairavi alapana, I expected a kriti and she landed a swarajati, "Kamakshi" and polished it off with just a neraval at Syamakrishna Sodari. She will be singing common or standard phrases and then all of a sudden some mindboggling flashes of phrases and briga.

Her concert is still ringing in my mind.

shyamala3091 · Post by **shyamala3091** » 19 Dec 2009, 10:46

vsarmaiitm wrote:I am sorry to say, some of the discussions/opinion are really disappointing ! People give their opinion (mediocre etc.) without second thought and without any reasoning and substantiating it. The only justification is everyone has a right to give his/her opinion.
Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.
Many seem to think they are experts in raga, laya like saint tyagaraja exclaimed here.
[We seem to have many such experts on this forum !! God bless them with true knowledge !

excellent vsarmaiitm, i concur with your statement,as you say many listeners discuss too much relating to the artists potentiality, technical intricacies of the concert and so on,as if they are authority in the subject, definitely every listener has the right to give his/her opinion, but many times they are unreasonably biased and irrational.

Member_First · Post by **Member_First** » 19 Dec 2009, 10:55

pallavi in chatusra ata.
1st lagu in mohanam,
2nd lagu - grahabhedham at "pa" - hindolam,
dhritams - grahabhedham at "ri" - brindavana saranga.
swaram on same lines.

- During rAg & lyrics prsentation, one can hear the first rAg only.

During presentation of kalpana swarAs only, there would be distinct and crystal clear different rAgs due to graha bhEdam.

Lastly, is it graha or swara bhEdam? (graham never moves

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lalitha · Post by **lalitha** » 19 Dec 2009, 18:49

Member_First wrote:pallavi in chatusra ata.
1st lagu in mohanam,
2nd lagu - grahabhedham at "pa" - hindolam,
dhritams - grahabhedham at "ri" - brindavana saranga.
swaram on same lines.

- During rAg & lyrics prsentation, one can hear the first rAg only.

During presentation of kalpana swarAs only, there would be distinct and crystal clear different rAgs due to graha bhEdam.

Lastly, is it graha or swara bhEdam? (graham never moves )

Graham .. never moves; But graha bedham moves

Can someone kindly upload the RTP for the benefit of all those who are overseas?

THanks!
Lalitha

lahari · Post by **lahari** » 19 Dec 2009, 20:17

mokshamugalada wrote:rtp in mohana, grahabhedham at "ri" (brindavana saranga) and "pa" (hindola) for ragam, tanam and pallavi.

pallavi in chatusra ata.
1st lagu in mohanam,
2nd lagu - grahabhedham at "pa" - hindolam,
dhritams - grahabhedham at "ri" - brindavana saranga.
swaram on same lines.

grahabedam at "ga" is hindolam, not "pa".

Ga Pa Da Sa Ri Ga as Sa small-ga small-ma small-da and small-ni is hindolam.

vsarmaiitm · Post by **vsarmaiitm** » 19 Dec 2009, 21:05

Can someone post the complete song list. Thanks

mokshamugalada · Post by **mokshamugalada** » 19 Dec 2009, 22:22

lahari wrote:
mokshamugalada wrote:rtp in mohana, grahabhedham at "ri" (brindavana saranga) and "pa" (hindola) for ragam, tanam and pallavi.

pallavi in chatusra ata.
1st lagu in mohanam,
2nd lagu - grahabhedham at "pa" - hindolam,
dhritams - grahabhedham at "ri" - brindavana saranga.
swaram on same lines.
grahabedam at "ga" is hindolam, not "pa".

Ga Pa Da Sa Ri Ga as Sa small-ga small-ma small-da and small-ni is hindolam.

sorry - my bad - fingering problem in grahabhedham.

thanks for pointing out. i edited the post.

* heard that akashavani madras has recorded this program.

lalitha · Post by **lalitha** » 21 Dec 2009, 21:55

Mokshamugalada or someone, please post the complete songlist?

Thanks!

raja · Post by **raja** » 22 Dec 2009, 00:17

Yes, the complete song list, as well as the lyrics and structure of the pallavi would be appreciated. An upload would be a huge favor to those of us not able to make it to Chennai this year!

lahari · Post by **lahari** » 22 Dec 2009, 11:02

Violin - MSN Murthy, Mrdangam - Melakkaveri K Balaji, Morsing - R M Deenadayalu

1. Najeeva dhara - Bhilahari - Adi - Tyagarajar
2. Ardhanariswaram - Kumudakriya - Rupakam - Dikshitar
3. Raminchivarevarura - Subhoshini - Adi - Tyagrajar
4. Natanam Seyyum - Kedaragowla - Rupakam - Ramaswami Sivan
5. Kalala Nerchina - Deepakam - Adi - Tyagrajar
6. Kamakshi - Bhairavi - Misra Chapu - Subbaraya Sastri
7. RTP - Nannu palimpa - Mohanam - Graha bhedam: Hindolam, Br. Saranga, Chatusra Ata
8. Tillana - Kaanada

Review in Hindu, salient points:

1. Najeevadhara - starter didnot help takeoff of the concert
2. Too long kumudakriya alapana without favourable effect on concert impact, better as an academic exercise, overdose of kalpanaswaras
3. Bhairavi alapana lacked depth
4. RTP - hindolam was perciptible but br.saranga evasive; RTP showed virtuosity but lacked aesthetic appeal
5. All raga essays appeared more surface skimming whereas MSN Murthy's versions were more wholesome

pganti · Post by **pganti** » 22 Dec 2009, 17:16

Thanks Lahari for posting the list.

Member_First · Post by **Member_First** » 22 Dec 2009, 17:27

Graham .. never moves; But graha bedham moves

I am also MOVED !!!

venkatakailasam · Post by **venkatakailasam** » 15 Sep 2010, 05:43

[quote="Member_First"]Graham .. never moves; But graha bedham moves

You can listen to Dr. BMK's Saregamapadani Padeda-NataBhairavi in Two parts at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1duU1I7f ... re=related part I and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5JaD-td ... re=related Part II

providing excellent exposition of Grahabhedamï»¿ by BMK.

This was a mix by me.

venkatakailasam

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